I read your comment before watching the video and thought you were commenting about something that had happened in the game. Glad my cognitive dissonance was resolved in the first 30 seconds.
Hahaha also Rich is such a M&K elitist that having to hold R1 to switch stances or weapons is suuuuch a chore Like...you CAN do it on the fly, it's really not hard And yeah, the ninja tool was good, and in 2 I use the crap out of the switch scythe Doesn't mean that you can't use other weapons and skills, finding a cheese strat doesn't negate other weapons I love pre rec and rewatching their old stuff but they definitely make dumb arguments sometimes Like comparing last of us to order 1886 because they're both third person and have cutscenes hahaha When one is a revolutionary fun as fuck game and the other was a tech demo joke
I don't know Rich's reason, but I don't like it because if Gabe wanted to he could take away all your games in an instant and you don't have any say in the matter. You don't own the games you buy on steam, you rent them form steam.
I *buy* digital copies. It's way more efficient than disk-based products, as they do not degrade over time, and most pc games come with digital code for that game anyway. Besides you can just download all the games and play them in offline mode forever.
You're not buying anything, you're renting the license to play those games from steam. Which they can take away whenever they want for whatever reason they want. You own nothing on steam, besides the very few actual steam drm free games they have. Another problem with steam is that they have the monopoly on PC gaming.
They have 54 copies of Nukie on that shelf back there. If they reviewed one copy every week, they would have enough material to last them over a year. We're talking 85.5 hours worth of Nukie. If they were to unspool all of those tapes and line them up end-to-end, they would be over 13 miles long.
Rich is a first string RLMer. If we're using mafia hierarchy analogies, I would put it like this: Mike is the Boss Rich is the Consigliere Jay is the Underboss Jack and Wizard are Capos And guests like Max Landis and the Canadians are Associates. (Jessi got wacked)
+DaveControl There's nothing wrong with Lords of the Fallen. Half of the backlash for that game was sour grapes due to the Denuvo protection and, from those who did play it, most of the negativity came from vocal Dark Souls autists complaining that it wasn't exactly the same. I wish the developers had made it much more different, because their strategy of drawing similarities to those games but stopping midway backfired hard. +TinyDancerX99 Bound by Flame is an RPG from the makers of Mars: War Logs and The Technomancer. Their fighting systems are inspired by games like KOTOR and have nothing to do with the Souls games.
DownrightSuperb then you must have brain problems, because last I checked Ni-oh didn't have character action combos, platforming, massive combo variety, fun sub missions, enemies still attacking while missing limbs, swimming, puzzles nor difficulty
This game felt more like a odd fusion of Onimusha, Souls and Ninja Gaiden to me. I guess more people will draw the comparison to Souls games though, since those are more fresh in their mind.
I like how you still have unspent skillpoints on the bottom of the screen in all the footage, making it apparent you never actually unlocked anything that would have made the game more complicated.
"These guys played Nioh for an hour. Watch them shit all over it anyways!" Nioh has many differences from Dark Souls but you aren't going to discover them by barely playing the game.
Hurr Durr Saying that having unspent skill points means you haven't unlocked anything in the game is fucking stupid, especially when it looks like he's progressing with different armor. Maybe you don't save your skill points, maybe you spend them on everything at every chance you get, there are some people who save them. They not playing the game the same way you play it doesn't mean they're playing it wrong, and if you enjoy the game, then just enjoy the game. You shouldn't need other people to enjoy the game in order to feel validated. They're not saying anything negative about you because you like the game. People like things, people don't like things. Get over it.
Quick thing about the cutscene monster encounter that Jack talked about: That creature is called an Umibozu, and their shtick is that they sink ships and kill everyone on board. However, if the captain survives, then it dedicated the rest of it's existence to hunt down the captain. So it's the one boss that needs an introduction early on.
"There's no switching stances on the fly or switching weapons on the fly." Why the fuck not!? That's literally the point of making the shoulder button a shift key and making the face buttons perform the transitions. The control scheme is set up so that your fingers are constantly on the buttons necessary. There are even skills that encourage you to switch weapons and/or stances mid combo, rewarding you with unique attacks and larger stamina bonuses to continue your combos with.
You said you loved the wall monster that you bow to but it only happens once. There's dozens of those guys throughout the game. How did you miss them all? You're bad.
I think he meant that he bowed to other walls and it didn't open like the one did, the jokes followed kinda made it very very unclear. It's possible he never meet other walls that reacts to the bow and are the ones that reacts to taunts instead. Thats what I got from that segment.
you guys never mentioned the skill system and you never used combos in your gameplay so I have a seeking suspicion that you never touched the skill tree that gives you new moves for your weapons.
ResonantPilot considering that the combat is by far the biggest selling point of the game and where the game does better than dark souls I would say it's a significant oversight. For instance their complaint about the stance system being pointless becomes bunk when you consider the stance specific skills that give each a vital new ability. or how theres a skill at the start of every skill tree that renders their complaint about the ki system void; dodging refills ki.
that being said yea the world isnt as well built and the enemy variety isnt great. so it definitely has negatives. they just missed the biggest positive in my mind.
The point was that the new moves fot the weapons ar pointless, since there exists a weapon, that used in high stance, is enough to beat the game. So the new moveset that can be unlocked using the skill tree becomes redundant.
They never unlocked the new moves. They said that going between the stances felt pointless because they always felt capable in high stance. In their footage they never used the new moves and they had the skill point icon at the bottom indicating they probably never touched the skill trees at all
Also they didnt beat the game. The farthest they got in their footage was the second region; there are 5 regions in the game. Also as someone who 100% the game I can tell you right now that there are several encounters where high stance only play will get you killed 100% of the time. Several boss fights later on would be impossible with that playstyle.
I have deep respect for PreRec, but they have to stop talking about a game before they complete it and they need to stop calling these "reviews" when all they give is an opinion without a full grasp of the game as a whole. The main points half way through the video are, lack of enemy variety, and lack of wall secrets after the first one. There are Nurikabe (The walls with eyes) In multiple levels after the one Jack mentions, in fact, there's one in the level that he compliments for having a new enemy in it that has Nurikabe that you need to get past in order to activate an important element for the boss of that level. Directly after that Jack mentions his personal opinion on customization for games of this style and Rich make a very valid point that in most other games, you take the role of someone else. Jack has pet peeves that should not factor into any review, they are preferences sure, but they do not hamper the overall enjoyment of the game. Just because a game has cutscenes and wants to present a narrative doesn't detract from the gameplay in any way shape or form. I will concede that Wiliam as a character was not very interesting, but that is more due to the fact that, although he is the main character we follow, it's not really his story. He is motivated to be in Japan, but the events transpiring around him are politics he doesn't understand. Nioh is actually a fictional retelling of a lot of Japanese mythology and history in the form of a video game, and it's clear that the game was directed towards a Japanese audience. The narrative is in no way detracting from the overall experience but he's treating it like it's a sin to have it at all. Also, this is a very personal opinion, but I feel that comparing Nioh To BloodBourne isn't really fair. Most call it a faster Dark Souls, but in reality, it's actually more of a mix between Dark Souls and Ninja Gaiden, the other famous game Team Ninja makes. It takes elements from both to make a more unique experience and understanding, although I do agree that it falls a bit flat in certain areas. TL:DT Shut up about cutscenes and pet peeves and finish the game before you talk about it.
A review does have a certain degree of opinion, I'll concede that, but the majority of the review should be objective. If I review a game I don't just call it good or bad, I explain the intricacies of the game and its mechanics and how it flows in gameplay, AND THEN give my opinion on the game as a whole and the mechanics as they apply to me. The problem I have with PreRec is that they treat opinion as fact. "I don't like cutscenes, thus all cutscenes are bad" Its in no way objective. My other main gripe I have with them is that they speak out of ignorance. How can you say you understand a book or a movie when you've only read the first 2 chapters or seen the first 30 minutes? I will admit though that sentence is poorly worded and I should probably fix that, but I don't think my criticism overall have no merit. I want PreRec to get better and I'm just giving my 2 cents. No need to insult my intelligence just because you feel threatened by criticism of other people who in the end probably won't see this. why don't you try and be a respectful human being and engage me in civil conversation?
Why are you acting like I'm upset? Lol, it was a good video, I just gave a bit of criticism. What's wrong with wanting shows you like to get better and more credible? It's not like I'm saying every complaint they have about the game is invalid, I'm just saying that certain things they stated aren't facts, they're opinions, and that those opinions are based on a lack of information.
The fact that they never learned how to use the inventory filter (R3) or the Item Storehouse tells me all I need to know about their gaming competency and the efficacy of their reviews, which is to say, very little.
I find these guys very funny but yeah this kinda hurt to watch. They clearly weren't playing the game the way it was meant to be played. Its not for everyone I get it, but they were definitely viewing the game wrong. They were trying to see how well it did Dark Souls, when the game isn't trying to be Dark Souls, its trying to be its own game and I'd say it does that rather well.
Jack's gripes seem nit picky, I don't see no harm in them showing a boss in a cutscene first, I think it can help build anticipation. As for not playing as a custom made character, its nice when it happens but oh well.
William has a bigger problem. And that is he is white. And nope. I'm not a sjw nor believe in cultural appropiation. What i mean is that you could be "Takeshi Sato" (or any other very common Japanese name) a wandering ronin with no noble blood but destined to X. Instead you play as a white blonde muscular pirate chad who happens to also be a weeb who loves dressing up as a samurai. You are not only forced to play as an already built character but it's also a character that stands out like a sore thumb. Imagine playing Kindom Come Deliverance as Martin Lawrence (yes that would be a hilarious easter egg although...) it would be weird as fuck.
As someone who used to play video games ALL THE TIME but now doesnt I still really enjoy your analysis. I feel like I'm being caught up on the industry with these entertaining Previously Recorded videos.. :)
Started playing this sort of reluctantly,mostly on how they reviewed it. I can't believe how much I like it- I feel like what they criticized in it is... really unfounded? I mean opinions are opinions so whatever, but I haven't found any of the weapons overtly OP. In fact I don't really like the chain-scythe. And stances make a huge impact with skills- It feels like they took a really cursory look at the game and made a lot of assumptions.
In Dark Souls, the few cutscenes in the game are meant for visuals so the player can be immersed in the environment. In Nioh the cutscenes have expository dialog in them that I have no interest in.
3 is pretty heavy on the dudes, too. It is funny though a lot of the dudes in armour are some of the best fights in the series, while a lot of the more creative fights aren't as liked as fights.
A lot of the demons fight just like dudes in armour. Taurus, Capra, and the Stray Demon trio are all just lumbering ugly dudes swinging big weapons in a similar way to Smough. Then there's O&S themselves, Gwyn, and Artorias. DS1 is still more original with its bosses, though.
Dark Souls 1 has 26 bosses, 4 are dudes in armor. Dark Souls 2 has 40 bosses, 14 are dudes in armor. More than in DS1, but it also has almost twice as many bosses in total. Dark Souls 3 has 9 out of 19 bosses are dudes in armor, but you can't say that Dancer, Nameless King, and Vordt look and fight the same.
Doesn't seem like you noticed that this game is based on an unfinished Akira Kurosawa script about a real life samurai/sailor from the West, William Adams, and that it's been in development for 13 years in one form or another. That seems kinda neat and it's too bad it didn't get out there, but the Bloodbourne/Dark Souls connection seems to have overwhelmed it.
Nioh has some issues (weapon balance being one of them), but FROMsoftwares games start to get stale. I think Jack and Rich praise them because afaik they've only played Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne. After 5 games in the same vein, the cracks start to show, and Nioh was different enough while stilling using the formula to be a great experience.
I have not played a more unnecessarily bloated and stale product than nioh in a very long time. Ugly recycled levels, enemies and a game that needed to last 10 hours but is actually a tedious 40 to 50 hour repetitive, tedious grind made for brain dead people. Console peasants are not helping their cause by praising every terrible exclusive game there is.
Jack. Rich. It took Jack 20 hours to reach the 4th main mission of the game? Why does he have so many skill points unspent? Did you know there's a ki pulse on dodge skill upgrade? Did you know the timing doesn't need to be perfect for the pulse to work? Did you know there are new powerful moves and things like parries in those skill menus? Do either of you give a single shit about the Japanese myths come to life in the game? I don't understand how you guys had trouble with the controls especially the stance and weapon switching, it's not complicated or confusing like you want to make it seem, you press 2 buttons and you're done. I just don't agree with your claims of it totally aping souls games, it has elements of it but it's doing loads of things those games don't, but apparently you didn't like all of that stuff. It seems like your analysis is based on the Idea that this game can't find it's own place next to dark souls and it has to replace it or something. It also sounds like you didn't look into the blacksmith because you can use her services to bump up gear you like easy as pie. This is a repeat of your Dragon's Dogma video where you just completely trashed the game because you failed to find the really good parts of it. You guys are great, entertaining, and pretty funny but it's such let down when your only thoughts on something are I didn't like it that much stretched out to 26 minutes.
I stopped watching after they claimed, at the start, that this is basically Souls clone. Among all souls-like games, this one actually plays differently in the most important aspect - combat. And seriously, if they apparently played for 20hrs with kurigasama and they make ANY comments on combat... For fuck sake, it's like trying to comment on Dark Souls combat after beating the game by only using R1 on only one weapon. It's perfectly doable, but why on earth would you subject yourself to that torture? 95% of the fun in this game is mastering the combat system, the combos, then starting dancing around the stances and weapons (which also combo into eachother). It's all so fluid and rewarding that it's impossible to gauge this game without discovering them. And the fact that you can do high stance Kurigasama through the game (idk about some of the later bosses though, could be a major problem) doesn't make the game bad, it makes you terrible at the game. Finally, they found ONE Nurikabe in 20 hours? Jesus fucking christ.
Listen, I have no qualm with people who are terrible at games. I really do not mind them. But as people who have no fucking clue how to even properly punch shouldn't really be sharing their opinions on strengths and weaknesses of different martial arts, people who have no clue how to properly play a game shouldn't really be sharing their opinions on quality of said game. It just makes you look like a dumbass. Also, seeing how many titles they played, and their amount of knowledge on gaming, they're by no means casual gamers. They're just shit at games, which is quite astonishing when you played so many titles for so long. Must be some learning disability or something.
That's good and all, but then they shouldn't be so dismissive, snarky and arrogant in their reviews. You don't get to shit all over a game when it's pretty obvious you can't even grasp its most basic gameplay mechanics. Then again, these are the guys who shat all over Alien: Isolation, so I'm not exactly going to give much attention to their opinion on games.
I've never disagreed with a PreRec more, but I see where you're coming from. The game opens up more and more as you progress through. Did you get past area 2? I didn't see any footage and that's only about 1/3 through the game. Also spears are the bomb and Flo Rida is trash.
Looking back now it's kind of great that almost all the issues they had were addressed/improved in 2 More unique gameplay elements and aspects like the weapon types and yokai forms Custom characters, it's a done good game But they always had weird gripes so idk if they'd dig it, bloodborne is a huge bar to beat I mean changing stances is SO easy, it's literally just hold one button, it's not hard
Absolutely loved this game at first but by the end the lack of enemy variety and fucking loot management really got to me. Excited to hear what these jokers have to say about it. 8/10 not as good as Bloodborne.
+Pyrobotnik, I hate to say that but that what killed my in interest in DS3. Zombies and knights. Bloodborne made it fresh with each enemies getting a set of moves, unique design related to the world. I may pick this if it came to PC. There is an Indie game called (The Deadly Tower Of Monsters) Which had more enemies than most AAA games. Made them pathetic in when compared in that area as well as comedy.
Try (The Deadly Tower Of Monsters) Truly an underrated game. If you like jokes about making a cheap movie where everything in production is commented on in a hilarious way, check the game.
On the off chance that anyone is wondering what Niou 「仁王」are, they're paired demons whose statues guard many Buddhist temple entrances. I'd link the wiki, but that seems to get me classed as a spammer.
THESE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE THEY DON'T LIKE THINGS THE WAY I LIKE THINGS I MUST EXPLAIN IN A COMMENT WHY THEY'RE OPINION IS WRONG I WILL GIVE ACTUAL FACTS TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY ARE WRONG IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THEIR OPINION AT ALL, THEY ARE OBJECTIVELY WRONG VIDYA GAYMZ IS SERIOURSRSRISOUS BUSINESS TH-cam VIDEO MAKE ME ANGRY WHY WON'T THEY LIKE WHAT I LIKE
Either there is a point to reviewing things and then there is also a point to making comments on the review, or neither have a point. It's not a big deal if people respond with counterarguments to the points they make, you know. Not the end of the world.
They don't even explore what the game has to offer. If you to play a game without even trying to explore the depths of the game then any game will suck. Watch the livestream of Rich playing Nioh and you will see why he thinks the game sucks.
I dunno, every clip you played made the game look great. Also, let's acknowledge once again Jack's ADD, and constant need for things blowing up and moving and making noise. Sit still for a few minutes and watch a cut scene? YOU MONSTERS.
They said Nioh was a clone and I agree, except for the stances, the ki pulse, the unlockable combos and unique attacks, the living weapon, the setting, the narrative style, and the mission structure. But like they said it has tough enemies and a stamina bar, so it's a clone game...
yeah to me this was very nick picky, i think they wasted their time with this one and should have reviewed something else rather than (to me) sound clever that they know whats good and not good
At least with Nioh I know what the fuck is going on as opposed to Dark Souls where I need a website with 30 pages just to know one thing in the backstory...
Why is everyone being so critical of what he said, nothing wrong with preferring a traditional story telling method. The Soulsborne games made their story cryptic on purpose and it works for them. Telling someone that the majority of a story is told through item descriptions and developer notes might turn them off of it too.
Yes, I agree that statement was exaggerated but his point is still there. Surely you can see how people can have grievances with the fact that to have any bearing on what is actually happening in those games, you have to read item descriptions and piece things together yourself. Different strokes for different folks.
Although I think most of your critiques have merit, you compare it too much to Dark souls when in fact is does have a lot of differences. Nioh is based in 17th century Japan, so a lot of the supporting characters, William Adams, and the architecture are based on reality. souls games are fantasy games, and while I do agree Yarhnam is more visually interesting, its also not really grounded in reality in the same way Nioh is. Agreed that characters/monsters are kind of bland, especially when reading into how strange, and interesting Japanese mythology is. As someone mentioned in the comments you completely glossed over skill trees, magic, and the ninjutsu. When I first picked up the game I only used the heavy stance kusablahblah too, but as I got more samurai points I unlocked extra moves, or passives that give each weapon is own strengths and weaknesses. For instance the Axe/Hammer class has passive bonuses against yokai, and generally does a lot of stamina damage. The katana class can be centered more around getting behind enemies quickly, and is generally a fast, less committing weapon (by that I mean you have more opportunities to dodge attacks. successful ki pulse is really only helpful in dealing with the yokai realm. early on you can unlock the ability to ki pulse automatically while dodging. Bosses in Nioh I honestly think are better than the ones in DKS 2, and most of the DKS3 bosses. Most if not all bosses vary up their moveset at certain points in their health rather than having completely new moves. They also are cleverly made with weak points, but some are not terribly obvious. If you can figure them out it makes the fights very smooth. So, yeah. Anyone deterred from Nioh from this review should look further into the game.
why is it that every time i watch this show i always feel like you guys have no idea what you are talking about. it dose not matter if you give a positive or negative response to a game. you just are nott talking about the right things
I came to really love Nioh, mainly because the combat system (imho) was much deeper than that of a FROM Software game. The main issue is you need to invest a ridiculous amount of time into beating the fairly boring (and long) main story, and only then (NG+ on) does it get exceptionally good to great. I can understand why most people would not want to invest that much time into a game that gives a lukewarm initial impression though.
Did you even care enough about this game to do a review? 1.Unspent skillpoints and lack of combos and onmyo in the shortcuts makes me believe you missed out on 2/3 of mechanics. 2. The Nurikabe are all over the place, stop blaming the game for your incompetency. 3. "You play as some guy" Except William Adams was a real person and the first western samurai. Having him be the main character in such a politically heavy game is pretty smart, seeing as neither him nor us really understand the inner workings of this strange new land. 4. The constant comparisons to Bloodborne I think are misguided, Dark Souls would be more appropriate, but since I think Nioh is different enough gamplay-wise I see Dark Souls as being more of an inspiration rather than Nioh trying to cash in on a knock-off. 5. You didn't even finish the game before reviewing it. I'm sorry "20 hours in" is not enough for this game, especially if you haven't even met another Nurikabe. (Wall-eye man) Come on, guys.
Speham if you want a fool reviewer who praises games based on lenght and only gives his opinions until the end of it go watch Angry Joe show, this guys care more about quality, variety, and pacing, if you need from 2 hours to 20 to find a new type of enemy your game has an obvious problem with pacing just like Dead space, alien isolation, the last of us, and so on.....
*#1* Their issue with the combo system was that they thought the game was beatable with the hook in high stance - therefor eliminating the need for other fighting mechanics. But I reckon it could be because they did not advance far enough in the game.
@Space Ghost Why are you comparing an unproffessional entertainer with two other unprofessional entertainers as if one is a better "reviewer" than the other? If you go to Pre Rec to expand your understanding of a game before you buy it you're frankly dumb. Rich and Jack usually don't even finish the games they "review" and seldom even understand the games. At best Pre Rec is only there are something to laugh at.
It's not about incompetency or the "git gud" mentality. That's what the rabid Soul fanboy has to understand. If you master a game, that don't make you better than anyone else, that only makes you an embarrassment. If the player didn't like the game, if he was not interested to learn and "master" all the mechanics, if he "only" played 20 hours, etc That his particular problem, he is not obligated to like something you like it and vice versa.
Rafael Teles "If you master a game, that don't make you better than anyone else, that only makes you an embarrassment" This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've read all weak. So being bad at a game is fine but being good at it is not? It's perfectly fine to be good or bad at a game, clown. That said if you "review" a game without completing it, not understanding or learning a bunch of mechanics and stuff the game offers and even complain about things that are not even valid (like saying X doesn't exist in a game when it does) then your predibility is down in the dumps for quite logical reasons. This is what turns these "reviews" into just a collection of their thoughts based on a limited time with the game, as in entertainment. As a useful review or interesting discussion of the game in question it's borderline useless. This is all fine btw. But people sharing their thoughts on the video is just as fine as Rich and Jack's thoughts in the video itself. Heck pointing out things that are factually incorrect is also perfectlly fine.
Nioh is a breath of fresh air coming from DeS, DS and BB. I welcome the competition to From Software and hope we get more like this from Team Ninja. I wholly recommend Nioh if you enjoyed any Souls game.
Judging by the comments and me disagreeing with a lot of their opinions, I thought this was going to be a shitshow, but I think they're pretty spot on. Outside of its combat it's a pretty unremarkable game. The best of the "Dark Souls Clone With a Twist"™ games, but still not that great. edit: Somehow I thought they hated the Souls games tho, lol editedit: RTJ reference? Jack listens to good rap music?
I'm gonna do it again, I'm gonna talk about Ultima Underworld. In this first person action rpg, from early 1992, older than Wolfenstein 3D, nothing prevents you from simply dropping items on the floor in some kind of safe location. It's also not a big deal to come back for it later because of all sorts of short cuts you can discover. Then of course the earliest edition had memory limitations that made the game terminally glitch out if you stored too much shit in the same place, but that's fixed in the GOG version.
have done some research into history? It is more interesting playing the game knowing that William is a real historical character. They took what really happened in 1600 and made it magical and spiritual.
I just began playing Dark Souls, and I think it's the closest I've come to becoming immersed in a role playing game. It's because the world is very solitarily and silent most of the time, and your character interacts with it through combat mostly. There isn't this separation between combat and the story. When a giant wolf attacks you out of nowhere, you kill it like it's trying to kill you. When you meet an npc, you're glad to have someone to talk to, just like your character would. You can kill npcs, I choose not to because I don't want them to die. This is immersion.
I don't have much of a horse in this race as I've never been particularly impressed by Team Ninja's or From Soft's games, but they seem relatively alone on this. Most reviews for Ni-Oh seem overwhelmingly positive and lots of people who are way into Souls games seem pretty satisfied with it, especially for its differences. Its also weird for Jack to use Bloodborne as his only focal point, as the original Dark Souls totally has a full on tutorial level.
"Way later on you find a blob monster". Yeah, Jack, that's the 4th level of 18. You guys barely played this game. Its really disappointing for you guys to review a game when you're not even a quarter of the way through. You didn't talk about the skill tree and the combo variety, which is way better than Bloodborne. You didn't get past the point where you can't use the High Stance Chain on everything because it has a ton of cool down. You didn't even mention you could sort your loot to make managing it way easier. All you did was beat off Bloodborne, and Nioh isn't better than Bloodborne, but it's is way better than Dark Souls 2 and 3 and at least is a good shakeup to the formula.
Well shit, thank fuck I bought the game before I watched this. I love this game- I've been having an absolute blast with it, and I've completed it twice now, with a level 1 run on atm. The combat in Nioh is so smooth and stylish, and surprisingly deep and skill intensive. Being critical of the world and it's design is fine, but the focus of the game is clearly on the combat, which you guys barely delve into. You will pay the price for your lack of vision >:( (Also, there's a Wall Mimic in every main story mission after the second, just so you know)
I haven't even watched this video and I'm honestly disappointed again. "It's a game about finding a Kusarigama and then using a Kusarigama and no other weapon." Jesus, I really hope they didn't do that.
![NIOH Review [In-Depth]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wMmLlRzTGPQ/mqdefault.jpg)
I liked the part where the middle aged man wearing a Ninja Turtles tee and a Superman jacket criticized the other man's fashion taste.
I read your comment before watching the video and thought you were commenting about something that had happened in the game. Glad my cognitive dissonance was resolved in the first 30 seconds.
Hahaha also Rich is such a M&K elitist that having to hold R1 to switch stances or weapons is suuuuch a chore
Like...you CAN do it on the fly, it's really not hard
And yeah, the ninja tool was good, and in 2 I use the crap out of the switch scythe
Doesn't mean that you can't use other weapons and skills, finding a cheese strat doesn't negate other weapons
I love pre rec and rewatching their old stuff but they definitely make dumb arguments sometimes
Like comparing last of us to order 1886 because they're both third person and have cutscenes hahaha
When one is a revolutionary fun as fuck game and the other was a tech demo joke
Why was Rich talking to an empty chair for 30 minutes?
I think i've heard Jack's voice in some parts. I guess this fucker was too lazy to enter the fucking room.
Tom Gibbs I think something got messed up in the rendering process for this video because I can hear him, I just can't see him
I didn't see or hear anything for 26 minutes. Strange video.
Well that's because you're Helen Keller, ma'am.
Tom Gibbs wat?
I remember Rich made the EXACT same Doom Clone comment in their Doom 2016 review. Thought you'd just slip that by? You repetitive hack fraud.
I think Rich has told the same "why I don't trust Steam" story in livestreams approximately 400 times. He's losing his short-term memory or something.
Why he doesnt trust Steam? I dont watch the livestreams
I don't know Rich's reason, but I don't like it because if Gabe wanted to he could take away all your games in an instant and you don't have any say in the matter. You don't own the games you buy on steam, you rent them form steam.
I *buy* digital copies. It's way more efficient than disk-based products, as they do not degrade over time, and most pc games come with digital code for that game anyway.
Besides you can just download all the games and play them in offline mode forever.
You're not buying anything, you're renting the license to play those games from steam. Which they can take away whenever they want for whatever reason they want. You own nothing on steam, besides the very few actual steam drm free games they have.
Another problem with steam is that they have the monopoly on PC gaming.
They have 54 copies of Nukie on that shelf back there. If they reviewed one copy every week, they would have enough material to last them over a year. We're talking 85.5 hours worth of Nukie. If they were to unspool all of those tapes and line them up end-to-end, they would be over 13 miles long.
Lmfao, I didn't expect to see you here
your videos suck
Nioh is to Dark Souls as Rich and Jack are to Mike and Jay.
Rich and Jack, the direct to video/on demand sequel of Red Letter Media.
OH FUCK
TheWickedMessenger3 brutal
Rich Evans is god's gift to the world. How dare you, sir.
Rich is a first string RLMer.
If we're using mafia hierarchy analogies, I would put it like this:
Mike is the Boss
Rich is the Consigliere
Jay is the Underboss
Jack and Wizard are Capos
And guests like Max Landis and the Canadians are Associates.
(Jessi got wacked)
Clearly they haven't played Lords of the Fallen......
Nor do they need to.
DaveControl Bound by Flame was another right?
You hurt me when you said that name.
+DaveControl There's nothing wrong with Lords of the Fallen. Half of the backlash for that game was sour grapes due to the Denuvo protection and, from those who did play it, most of the negativity came from vocal Dark Souls autists complaining that it wasn't exactly the same. I wish the developers had made it much more different, because their strategy of drawing similarities to those games but stopping midway backfired hard.
+TinyDancerX99 Bound by Flame is an RPG from the makers of Mars: War Logs and The Technomancer. Their fighting systems are inspired by games like KOTOR and have nothing to do with the Souls games.
Lord help those who have......
JJCheeker they do not deserve help. They are on their own.
The protagonist looks like Discount-Geralt.
This game has been in development for like 7 years. It reminds me more of Ninja Gaiden than Dark Souls.
DownrightSuperb then you must have brain problems, because last I checked Ni-oh didn't have character action combos, platforming, massive combo variety, fun sub missions, enemies still attacking while missing limbs, swimming, puzzles nor difficulty
+DownrightSuperb Then you are dumb. Niho is nothing like Ninja Gaiden
This game felt more like a odd fusion of Onimusha, Souls and Ninja Gaiden to me. I guess more people will draw the comparison to Souls games though, since those are more fresh in their mind.
Ninja Gaiden? The fuck are you talking about? In what way?
These old farts don't know dick about video games.
I like how you still have unspent skillpoints on the bottom of the screen in all the footage, making it apparent you never actually unlocked anything that would have made the game more complicated.
"These guys played Nioh for an hour. Watch them shit all over it anyways!" Nioh has many differences from Dark Souls but you aren't going to discover them by barely playing the game.
Funny, in Dark Souls it's a feat to beat the game like that.
He clearly says 20 hours. That's more then an hour.
He said he played it for 20 hours, dumbass.
Hurr Durr Saying that having unspent skill points means you haven't unlocked anything in the game is fucking stupid, especially when it looks like he's progressing with different armor. Maybe you don't save your skill points, maybe you spend them on everything at every chance you get, there are some people who save them. They not playing the game the same way you play it doesn't mean they're playing it wrong, and if you enjoy the game, then just enjoy the game. You shouldn't need other people to enjoy the game in order to feel validated. They're not saying anything negative about you because you like the game. People like things, people don't like things. Get over it.
Quick thing about the cutscene monster encounter that Jack talked about: That creature is called an Umibozu, and their shtick is that they sink ships and kill everyone on board. However, if the captain survives, then it dedicated the rest of it's existence to hunt down the captain. So it's the one boss that needs an introduction early on.
HOly shit who cares about lore.
I wish you guys had the time to do more reviews like this, I'd sit and watch 'em all!
"The most blatant clone of Dark Souls since Dark Souls came out"
Did these old men never hear about Lords of the Fallen.
Looking at Rich's face while Jack named off various rappers brought back fond memories of watching MTV with my elderly Italian grandpa in the room.
21:57 one of many Rich evans quotes that live in my mind rent free 😂
Out of the "clones" I feel this is one of the most competent one.
Jesus Christ look at that shelf of Nukie
55 of them.
Dysphoria Blue They need more. Just a few, though.
Dysphoria Blue they just need a couple more.
If they only had 4 or 5 more...
Thousands of them.
"There's no switching stances on the fly or switching weapons on the fly."
Why the fuck not!? That's literally the point of making the shoulder button a shift key and making the face buttons perform the transitions. The control scheme is set up so that your fingers are constantly on the buttons necessary. There are even skills that encourage you to switch weapons and/or stances mid combo, rewarding you with unique attacks and larger stamina bonuses to continue your combos with.
You said you loved the wall monster that you bow to but it only happens once. There's dozens of those guys throughout the game. How did you miss them all? You're bad.
Are they all wall-monsters or is there a wide variety of monsters you can bow to?
extragirth64 Yeah there's another monster you use gestures on too
He looked at every wall except for apparently the walls in almost every level that are monsters.
I think he meant that he bowed to other walls and it didn't open like the one did, the jokes followed kinda made it very very unclear. It's possible he never meet other walls that reacts to the bow and are the ones that reacts to taunts instead. Thats what I got from that segment.
There is also a mimic type character (disguised as chests) that you have to copy the gesture they make or they attack you.
you guys never mentioned the skill system and you never used combos in your gameplay so I have a seeking suspicion that you never touched the skill tree that gives you new moves for your weapons.
ResonantPilot considering that the combat is by far the biggest selling point of the game and where the game does better than dark souls I would say it's a significant oversight. For instance their complaint about the stance system being pointless becomes bunk when you consider the stance specific skills that give each a vital new ability. or how theres a skill at the start of every skill tree that renders their complaint about the ki system void; dodging refills ki.
that being said yea the world isnt as well built and the enemy variety isnt great. so it definitely has negatives. they just missed the biggest positive in my mind.
The point was that the new moves fot the weapons ar pointless, since there exists a weapon, that used in high stance, is enough to beat the game. So the new moveset that can be unlocked using the skill tree becomes redundant.
They never unlocked the new moves. They said that going between the stances felt pointless because they always felt capable in high stance. In their footage they never used the new moves and they had the skill point icon at the bottom indicating they probably never touched the skill trees at all
Also they didnt beat the game. The farthest they got in their footage was the second region; there are 5 regions in the game. Also as someone who 100% the game I can tell you right now that there are several encounters where high stance only play will get you killed 100% of the time. Several boss fights later on would be impossible with that playstyle.
God I love Rich Evans takes lol
I have deep respect for PreRec, but they have to stop talking about a game before they complete it and they need to stop calling these "reviews" when all they give is an opinion without a full grasp of the game as a whole. The main points half way through the video are, lack of enemy variety, and lack of wall secrets after the first one. There are Nurikabe (The walls with eyes) In multiple levels after the one Jack mentions, in fact, there's one in the level that he compliments for having a new enemy in it that has Nurikabe that you need to get past in order to activate an important element for the boss of that level. Directly after that Jack mentions his personal opinion on customization for games of this style and Rich make a very valid point that in most other games, you take the role of someone else. Jack has pet peeves that should not factor into any review, they are preferences sure, but they do not hamper the overall enjoyment of the game. Just because a game has cutscenes and wants to present a narrative doesn't detract from the gameplay in any way shape or form. I will concede that Wiliam as a character was not very interesting, but that is more due to the fact that, although he is the main character we follow, it's not really his story. He is motivated to be in Japan, but the events transpiring around him are politics he doesn't understand. Nioh is actually a fictional retelling of a lot of Japanese mythology and history in the form of a video game, and it's clear that the game was directed towards a Japanese audience. The narrative is in no way detracting from the overall experience but he's treating it like it's a sin to have it at all. Also, this is a very personal opinion, but I feel that comparing Nioh To BloodBourne isn't really fair. Most call it a faster Dark Souls, but in reality, it's actually more of a mix between Dark Souls and Ninja Gaiden, the other famous game Team Ninja makes. It takes elements from both to make a more unique experience and understanding, although I do agree that it falls a bit flat in certain areas.
TL:DT Shut up about cutscenes and pet peeves and finish the game before you talk about it.
well that wasn't fallacious at all.
"stop calling these "reviews" and instead call them something like opinion pieces"
are you dumb?
A review does have a certain degree of opinion, I'll concede that, but the majority of the review should be objective. If I review a game I don't just call it good or bad, I explain the intricacies of the game and its mechanics and how it flows in gameplay, AND THEN give my opinion on the game as a whole and the mechanics as they apply to me. The problem I have with PreRec is that they treat opinion as fact. "I don't like cutscenes, thus all cutscenes are bad" Its in no way objective. My other main gripe I have with them is that they speak out of ignorance. How can you say you understand a book or a movie when you've only read the first 2 chapters or seen the first 30 minutes? I will admit though that sentence is poorly worded and I should probably fix that, but I don't think my criticism overall have no merit. I want PreRec to get better and I'm just giving my 2 cents. No need to insult my intelligence just because you feel threatened by criticism of other people who in the end probably won't see this. why don't you try and be a respectful human being and engage me in civil conversation?
No where is this called a review. As far as I can tell they are just discussing it.
Why are you acting like I'm upset? Lol, it was a good video, I just gave a bit of criticism. What's wrong with wanting shows you like to get better and more credible? It's not like I'm saying every complaint they have about the game is invalid, I'm just saying that certain things they stated aren't facts, they're opinions, and that those opinions are based on a lack of information.
The fact that they never learned how to use the inventory filter (R3) or the Item Storehouse tells me all I need to know about their gaming competency and the efficacy of their reviews, which is to say, very little.
I find these guys very funny but yeah this kinda hurt to watch. They clearly weren't playing the game the way it was meant to be played. Its not for everyone I get it, but they were definitely viewing the game wrong. They were trying to see how well it did Dark Souls, when the game isn't trying to be Dark Souls, its trying to be its own game and I'd say it does that rather well.
A SLOW-PACED HIGH-RISK/HIGH-REWARD DUNGEON CRAWLER, BUT NO ORIGINAL IDEAS, OH WELL!
I APPLAUDED IT FOR BEING DIFFERENT!
*I T*
*B R O K E*
*N E W*
*G R O U N D*
I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AT-S... no, don't join it... I must resist the urge...
This game is so dense.
ENDLESSSS TRAAAAAAAASHHH
Jack's gripes seem nit picky, I don't see no harm in them showing a boss in a cutscene first, I think it can help build anticipation. As for not playing as a custom made character, its nice when it happens but oh well.
I think the Nukie tapes are breeding to create an army of crappy movies to take over the world with.
William has a bigger problem. And that is he is white. And nope. I'm not a sjw nor believe in cultural appropiation. What i mean is that you could be "Takeshi Sato" (or any other very common Japanese name) a wandering ronin with no noble blood but destined to X. Instead you play as a white blonde muscular pirate chad who happens to also be a weeb who loves dressing up as a samurai. You are not only forced to play as an already built character but it's also a character that stands out like a sore thumb. Imagine playing Kindom Come Deliverance as Martin Lawrence (yes that would be a hilarious easter egg although...) it would be weird as fuck.
The Monkees. That's the band you were looking for.
Dark Souls invented big bosses, leveling up, health and stamina bars.
At last I truly see.
Why don't you guys do us all a favor and stick to talking about what you're good at...POLITICS!
UP next: Jay & Rich review modern rap albums. :)
Good lord, the nukie tape numbers are out of control!
As someone who used to play video games ALL THE TIME but now doesnt I still really enjoy your analysis. I feel like I'm being caught up on the industry with these entertaining Previously Recorded videos.. :)
Started playing this sort of reluctantly,mostly on how they reviewed it. I can't believe how much I like it- I feel like what they criticized in it is... really unfounded? I mean opinions are opinions so whatever, but I haven't found any of the weapons overtly OP. In fact I don't really like the chain-scythe. And stances make a huge impact with skills- It feels like they took a really cursory look at the game and made a lot of assumptions.
Nice of you guys to release this on my birthday. I'm sure that was totally on purpose. THANKS!!!
In Dark Souls, the few cutscenes in the game are meant for visuals so the player can be immersed in the environment. In Nioh the cutscenes have expository dialog in them that I have no interest in.
Soooooo many Nukie tapes in the background. It was on late night cable tv about a week ago and i actually watched some of it. It was... interesting.
For every one creative boss in a Souls game there's 4 dudes in armour.
That was really only a problem in DS2.
3 is pretty heavy on the dudes, too. It is funny though a lot of the dudes in armour are some of the best fights in the series, while a lot of the more creative fights aren't as liked as fights.
A lot of the demons fight just like dudes in armour. Taurus, Capra, and the Stray Demon trio are all just lumbering ugly dudes swinging big weapons in a similar way to Smough. Then there's O&S themselves, Gwyn, and Artorias. DS1 is still more original with its bosses, though.
Dark Souls 1 has 26 bosses, 4 are dudes in armor. Dark Souls 2 has 40 bosses, 14 are dudes in armor. More than in DS1, but it also has almost twice as many bosses in total. Dark Souls 3 has 9 out of 19 bosses are dudes in armor, but you can't say that Dancer, Nameless King, and Vordt look and fight the same.
Rich Evans never change.
Jack isn't old enough to remember the Doom clones? I always assumed he was around the same age as the others. I didn't realise he was so young.
He's not, rich is just 50 years old
Doesn't seem like you noticed that this game is based on an unfinished Akira Kurosawa script about a real life samurai/sailor from the West, William Adams, and that it's been in development for 13 years in one form or another. That seems kinda neat and it's too bad it didn't get out there, but the Bloodbourne/Dark Souls connection seems to have overwhelmed it.
Nioh has some issues (weapon balance being one of them), but FROMsoftwares games start to get stale. I think Jack and Rich praise them because afaik they've only played Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne. After 5 games in the same vein, the cracks start to show, and Nioh was different enough while stilling using the formula to be a great experience.
They have played and streamed Demons Souls, Dark Souls, DS2, DS3 and Bloodborne. However, as far as I know they only finished Bloodborne
I have not played a more unnecessarily bloated and stale product than nioh in a very long time. Ugly recycled levels, enemies and a game that needed to last 10 hours but is actually a tedious 40 to 50 hour repetitive, tedious grind made for brain dead people. Console peasants are not helping their cause by praising every terrible exclusive game there is.
I love how behind RIch is the Star Wars "Rey" action figure...totally not Ghostbusters
Wait, a real honest to goodness Previously Recorded? Not a "Live?"
Nice.
The bowing to other characters to sometimes avoid fighting them thing was present in Usagi Yojimbo (aka Samurai Warrior) for the Commodore 64.
"The Sam's Choice of Darksouls games."
Thanks Rich
I guess Geralt is the nail in the coffin that is Jack's argument about characters.
Dark Souls 1 was really good. The enemy designs are really interesting after the first boss, and the map connects all the levels together.
Oh the irony of discussing discount caviar on pre rec. Well done, not Jay and Mike.
Rich Evans giving fashion tips! Lool!
Jack. Rich.
It took Jack 20 hours to reach the 4th main mission of the game?
Why does he have so many skill points unspent?
Did you know there's a ki pulse on dodge skill upgrade?
Did you know the timing doesn't need to be perfect for the pulse to work?
Did you know there are new powerful moves and things like parries in those skill menus?
Do either of you give a single shit about the Japanese myths come to life in the game?
I don't understand how you guys had trouble with the controls especially the stance and weapon switching, it's not complicated or confusing like you want to make it seem, you press 2 buttons and you're done.
I just don't agree with your claims of it totally aping souls games, it has elements of it but it's doing loads of things those games don't, but apparently you didn't like all of that stuff.
It seems like your analysis is based on the Idea that this game can't find it's own place next to dark souls and it has to replace it or something.
It also sounds like you didn't look into the blacksmith because you can use her services to bump up gear you like easy as pie.
This is a repeat of your Dragon's Dogma video where you just completely trashed the game because you failed to find the really good parts of it.
You guys are great, entertaining, and pretty funny but it's such let down when your only thoughts on something are I didn't like it that much stretched out to 26 minutes.
I stopped watching after they claimed, at the start, that this is basically Souls clone.
Among all souls-like games, this one actually plays differently in the most important aspect - combat.
And seriously, if they apparently played for 20hrs with kurigasama and they make ANY comments on combat... For fuck sake, it's like trying to comment on Dark Souls combat after beating the game by only using R1 on only one weapon. It's perfectly doable, but why on earth would you subject yourself to that torture?
95% of the fun in this game is mastering the combat system, the combos, then starting dancing around the stances and weapons (which also combo into eachother). It's all so fluid and rewarding that it's impossible to gauge this game without discovering them. And the fact that you can do high stance Kurigasama through the game (idk about some of the later bosses though, could be a major problem) doesn't make the game bad, it makes you terrible at the game.
Finally, they found ONE Nurikabe in 20 hours? Jesus fucking christ.
Videogames are clearly not their thing. They should stick to movies.
They are not basement dwelling anime nerds who masterbate and hide from the worlds problems, they review games as casual gamers.
Listen, I have no qualm with people who are terrible at games. I really do not mind them.
But as people who have no fucking clue how to even properly punch shouldn't really be sharing their opinions on strengths and weaknesses of different martial arts, people who have no clue how to properly play a game shouldn't really be sharing their opinions on quality of said game. It just makes you look like a dumbass.
Also, seeing how many titles they played, and their amount of knowledge on gaming, they're by no means casual gamers. They're just shit at games, which is quite astonishing when you played so many titles for so long. Must be some learning disability or something.
That's good and all, but then they shouldn't be so dismissive, snarky and arrogant in their reviews. You don't get to shit all over a game when it's pretty obvious you can't even grasp its most basic gameplay mechanics. Then again, these are the guys who shat all over Alien: Isolation, so I'm not exactly going to give much attention to their opinion on games.
Finally, the game about Nickel Hydroxide that we have all been waiting for.
I've never disagreed with a PreRec more, but I see where you're coming from. The game opens up more and more as you progress through. Did you get past area 2? I didn't see any footage and that's only about 1/3 through the game.
Also spears are the bomb and Flo Rida is trash.
Looking back now it's kind of great that almost all the issues they had were addressed/improved in 2
More unique gameplay elements and aspects like the weapon types and yokai forms
Custom characters, it's a done good game
But they always had weird gripes so idk if they'd dig it, bloodborne is a huge bar to beat
I mean changing stances is SO easy, it's literally just hold one button, it's not hard
I LOVED this game until I realized I was 30 hours in and still fighting the same enemies as I did in the first mission.
Rich talking about fashion choices while wearing a TMNT T-shirt
Absolutely loved this game at first but by the end the lack of enemy variety and fucking loot management really got to me. Excited to hear what these jokers have to say about it. 8/10 not as good as Bloodborne.
So how many enemies there are? Am curious, because fighting the same shit will kill my interest in the game.
+Pyrobotnik, I hate to say that but that what killed my in interest in DS3. Zombies and knights. Bloodborne made it fresh with each enemies getting a set of moves, unique design related to the world. I may pick this if it came to PC.
There is an Indie game called (The Deadly Tower Of Monsters) Which had more enemies than most AAA games. Made them pathetic in when compared in that area as well as comedy.
Try (The Deadly Tower Of Monsters) Truly an underrated game. If you like jokes about making a cheap movie where everything in production is commented on in a hilarious way, check the game.
On the off chance that anyone is wondering what Niou 「仁王」are, they're paired demons whose statues guard many Buddhist temple entrances. I'd link the wiki, but that seems to get me classed as a spammer.
THESE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE
THEY DON'T LIKE THINGS THE WAY I LIKE THINGS
I MUST EXPLAIN IN A COMMENT WHY THEY'RE OPINION IS WRONG
I WILL GIVE ACTUAL FACTS TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY ARE WRONG
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THEIR OPINION AT ALL, THEY ARE OBJECTIVELY WRONG
VIDYA GAYMZ IS SERIOURSRSRISOUS BUSINESS
TH-cam VIDEO MAKE ME ANGRY
WHY WON'T THEY LIKE WHAT I LIKE
Either there is a point to reviewing things and then there is also a point to making comments on the review, or neither have a point. It's not a big deal if people respond with counterarguments to the points they make, you know. Not the end of the world.
WHY DON'T THEY LIKE THINGS
THEY DO THINGS WRONG AND VIDEO IS BAD
EVERYTHING IS WRONG
WHY ARE THEY SO WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING
THOSE HACKS
WHY AREN'T THEY LESS WRONG
capslock is cruise control for cool
They don't even explore what the game has to offer. If you to play a game without even trying to explore the depths of the game then any game will suck. Watch the livestream of Rich playing Nioh and you will see why he thinks the game sucks.
I dunno, every clip you played made the game look great. Also, let's acknowledge once again Jack's ADD, and constant need for things blowing up and moving and making noise. Sit still for a few minutes and watch a cut scene? YOU MONSTERS.
Good job embarrassing yourselves.
+Gabriel the only one that should be embarrassed is you, for all your shitty comments
"Game is automatically good because its Japanese, REEEE!"
don't dont about thing you don't like
Breen Machine Oh shut up jabronie. He didn't say that.
Lol at all the butthurt Nioh weeaboo fanboys. I've never seen fanboys cry so hard and get so defensive over such a derivative new IP.
running out of space for the nukie tapes
They said Nioh was a clone and I agree, except for the stances, the ki pulse, the unlockable combos and unique attacks, the living weapon, the setting, the narrative style, and the mission structure. But like they said it has tough enemies and a stamina bar, so it's a clone game...
>Bashes it for being a Dark Souls/Bloodborne clone
>Bashes it for not being enough like Dark Souls/Bloodborne
Hmmm...
yeah to me this was very nick picky, i think they wasted their time with this one and should have reviewed something else rather than (to me) sound clever that they know whats good and not good
At least with Nioh I know what the fuck is going on as opposed to Dark Souls where I need a website with 30 pages just to know one thing in the backstory...
amen linkfreak
the story is pretty fuckin straight forward with gaps so you can fill them in urself. it was purposefully made that way by hidetaka
People don't even realize they are making fool of themselves nowadays...
OR like, just read the item descriptions... and the developer notes, you impatient hack.
Why is everyone being so critical of what he said, nothing wrong with preferring a traditional story telling method. The Soulsborne games made their story cryptic on purpose and it works for them. Telling someone that the majority of a story is told through item descriptions and developer notes might turn them off of it too.
Yes, I agree that statement was exaggerated but his point is still there. Surely you can see how people can have grievances with the fact that to have any bearing on what is actually happening in those games, you have to read item descriptions and piece things together yourself.
Different strokes for different folks.
This episode looks like it was filmed on a green screen with the background super imposed.
Rename this series to "Time To Get Angry At Jack". It's more fitting.
It still feels wrong when Jack can name Run The Jewels. He seems so much more like a Dave Matthews Band -guy.
Although I think most of your critiques have merit, you compare it too much to Dark souls when in fact is does have a lot of differences.
Nioh is based in 17th century Japan, so a lot of the supporting characters, William Adams, and the architecture are based on reality. souls games are fantasy games, and while I do agree Yarhnam is more visually interesting, its also not really grounded in reality in the same way Nioh is.
Agreed that characters/monsters are kind of bland, especially when reading into how strange, and interesting Japanese mythology is.
As someone mentioned in the comments you completely glossed over skill trees, magic, and the ninjutsu. When I first picked up the game I only used the heavy stance kusablahblah too, but as I got more samurai points I unlocked extra moves, or passives that give each weapon is own strengths and weaknesses. For instance the Axe/Hammer class has passive bonuses against yokai, and generally does a lot of stamina damage. The katana class can be centered more around getting behind enemies quickly, and is generally a fast, less committing weapon (by that I mean you have more opportunities to dodge attacks.
successful ki pulse is really only helpful in dealing with the yokai realm. early on you can unlock the ability to ki pulse automatically while dodging.
Bosses in Nioh I honestly think are better than the ones in DKS 2, and most of the DKS3 bosses. Most if not all bosses vary up their moveset at certain points in their health rather than having completely new moves. They also are cleverly made with weak points, but some are not terribly obvious. If you can figure them out it makes the fights very smooth.
So, yeah. Anyone deterred from Nioh from this review should look further into the game.
It has an interesting pedigree because it’s inspired by an unfinished Akira kurosawa script based on historical events
"we couldn't get good" the video
"That sounds like an infection you would get from a rusty water pipe." Rich Evans - 2017
HOLY SHIT! HOW MANY COPIES OF NUKIE???
Not enough.
lol there is more than 1 wall with eyes but they are difficult to notice. The blend in very well.
why is it that every time i watch this show i always feel like you guys have no idea what you are talking about. it dose not matter if you give a positive or negative response to a game. you just are nott talking about the right things
I came to really love Nioh, mainly because the combat system (imho) was much deeper than that of a FROM Software game. The main issue is you need to invest a ridiculous amount of time into beating the fairly boring (and long) main story, and only then (NG+ on) does it get exceptionally good to great.
I can understand why most people would not want to invest that much time into a game that gives a lukewarm initial impression though.
Did you even care enough about this game to do a review?
1.Unspent skillpoints and lack of combos and onmyo in the shortcuts makes me believe you missed out on 2/3 of mechanics.
2. The Nurikabe are all over the place, stop blaming the game for your incompetency.
3. "You play as some guy" Except William Adams was a real person and the first western samurai. Having him be the main character in such a politically heavy game is pretty smart, seeing as neither him nor us really understand the inner workings of this strange new land.
4. The constant comparisons to Bloodborne I think are misguided, Dark Souls would be more appropriate, but since I think Nioh is different enough gamplay-wise I see Dark Souls as being more of an inspiration rather than Nioh trying to cash in on a knock-off.
5. You didn't even finish the game before reviewing it. I'm sorry "20 hours in" is not enough for this game, especially if you haven't even met another Nurikabe. (Wall-eye man)
Come on, guys.
Speham if you want a fool reviewer who praises games based on lenght and only gives his opinions until the end of it go watch Angry Joe show, this guys care more about quality, variety, and pacing, if you need from 2 hours to 20 to find a new type of enemy your game has an obvious problem with pacing just like Dead space, alien isolation, the last of us, and so on.....
*#1* Their issue with the combo system was that they thought the game was beatable with the hook in high stance - therefor eliminating the need for other fighting mechanics. But I reckon it could be because they did not advance far enough in the game.
@Space Ghost Why are you comparing an unproffessional entertainer with two other unprofessional entertainers as if one is a better "reviewer" than the other?
If you go to Pre Rec to expand your understanding of a game before you buy it you're frankly dumb. Rich and Jack usually don't even finish the games they "review" and seldom even understand the games.
At best Pre Rec is only there are something to laugh at.
It's not about incompetency or the "git gud" mentality. That's what the rabid Soul fanboy has to understand. If you master a game, that don't make you better than anyone else, that only makes you an embarrassment. If the player didn't like the game, if he was not interested to learn and "master" all the mechanics, if he "only" played 20 hours, etc That his particular problem, he is not obligated to like something you like it and vice versa.
Rafael Teles "If you master a game, that don't make you better than anyone else, that only makes you an embarrassment"
This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've read all weak. So being bad at a game is fine but being good at it is not? It's perfectly fine to be good or bad at a game, clown.
That said if you "review" a game without completing it, not understanding or learning a bunch of mechanics and stuff the game offers and even complain about things that are not even valid (like saying X doesn't exist in a game when it does) then your predibility is down in the dumps for quite logical reasons.
This is what turns these "reviews" into just a collection of their thoughts based on a limited time with the game, as in entertainment. As a useful review or interesting discussion of the game in question it's borderline useless.
This is all fine btw. But people sharing their thoughts on the video is just as fine as Rich and Jack's thoughts in the video itself. Heck pointing out things that are factually incorrect is also perfectlly fine.
Nioh is a breath of fresh air coming from DeS, DS and BB. I welcome the competition to From Software and hope we get more like this from Team Ninja. I wholly recommend Nioh if you enjoyed any Souls game.
Judging by the comments and me disagreeing with a lot of their opinions, I thought this was going to be a shitshow, but I think they're pretty spot on.
Outside of its combat it's a pretty unremarkable game. The best of the "Dark Souls Clone With a Twist"™ games, but still not that great.
edit: Somehow I thought they hated the Souls games tho, lol
editedit: RTJ reference? Jack listens to good rap music?
I want to see Rich trying to get a bored-out- of-his-mind Mike interested in the game he is talking about.
I absolutely loved Nioh, game of the year for me.
I'm gonna do it again, I'm gonna talk about Ultima Underworld. In this first person action rpg, from early 1992, older than Wolfenstein 3D, nothing prevents you from simply dropping items on the floor in some kind of safe location. It's also not a big deal to come back for it later because of all sorts of short cuts you can discover. Then of course the earliest edition had memory limitations that made the game terminally glitch out if you stored too much shit in the same place, but that's fixed in the GOG version.
have done some research into history? It is more interesting playing the game knowing that William is a real historical character. They took what really happened in 1600 and made it magical and spiritual.
I just began playing Dark Souls, and I think it's the closest I've come to becoming immersed in a role playing game. It's because the world is very solitarily and silent most of the time, and your character interacts with it through combat mostly. There isn't this separation between combat and the story.
When a giant wolf attacks you out of nowhere, you kill it like it's trying to kill you. When you meet an npc, you're glad to have someone to talk to, just like your character would. You can kill npcs, I choose not to because I don't want them to die. This is immersion.
I don't have much of a horse in this race as I've never been particularly impressed by Team Ninja's or From Soft's games, but they seem relatively alone on this. Most reviews for Ni-Oh seem overwhelmingly positive and lots of people who are way into Souls games seem pretty satisfied with it, especially for its differences.
Its also weird for Jack to use Bloodborne as his only focal point, as the original Dark Souls totally has a full on tutorial level.
it's because they're trying to present themselves as being knowledgeable about Souls games even though they've only played Bloodborne.
Their review seemed pretty positive to me. The only criticisms were nitpicks on things they liked better about Bloodborne.
Love all those Nukie tapes behind Rich
Why listen to Snoop Dogg when you could listen to Will Smith?
I was in a bad mood but seeing Rich's face made me smile :)
Rich, you need to dial back on the 1930s radio announcer voice, it gets really irritating after a while.
fuck off its enderaing
i gotta say, bowing to the wall creature was a pretty cool idea
"Way later on you find a blob monster". Yeah, Jack, that's the 4th level of 18. You guys barely played this game. Its really disappointing for you guys to review a game when you're not even a quarter of the way through.
You didn't talk about the skill tree and the combo variety, which is way better than Bloodborne. You didn't get past the point where you can't use the High Stance Chain on everything because it has a ton of cool down. You didn't even mention you could sort your loot to make managing it way easier. All you did was beat off Bloodborne, and Nioh isn't better than Bloodborne, but it's is way better than Dark Souls 2 and 3 and at least is a good shakeup to the formula.
No need to lie to yourself that much :D
William looks a tiny bit like he should be called 'NotGeralt'
Combat system is way better than in souls.
"Why listen to the Beatles when you have Oasis?"
Fucking great, bro.
All these salty people because PreRec doesn't share their opinion. Just another TH-cam comment section.
I miss Pre-Rec :’(
Well shit, thank fuck I bought the game before I watched this. I love this game- I've been having an absolute blast with it, and I've completed it twice now, with a level 1 run on atm. The combat in Nioh is so smooth and stylish, and surprisingly deep and skill intensive. Being critical of the world and it's design is fine, but the focus of the game is clearly on the combat, which you guys barely delve into. You will pay the price for your lack of vision >:(
(Also, there's a Wall Mimic in every main story mission after the second, just so you know)
Wow they didn't even try with the protagonists design, it's just Geralt of Rivia.
"Gaming lately has been lacking a lot of adequacy"
Agreed.
Rich referencing Doom is like Jay referencing Romero.
I haven't even watched this video and I'm honestly disappointed again. "It's a game about finding a Kusarigama and then using a Kusarigama and no other weapon." Jesus, I really hope they didn't do that.
Rich called my exact playstyle in Nioh with the Kusarigama, and high stance.