Fantastic video and overview of the AB9! I love that it’s compatible with various third-party flight sticks. The build quality looks solid, and the software, with some improvements, seems to offer excellent customization options. I’m excited to see how it integrates with MSFS in the future. Thanks for the video and for consistently delivering great content. It was awesome meeting you at FlightSimExpo 2024 and being on the panel with you, Mark. Looking forward to 2025. Cheers and blue skies!
Looks amazing. software looks very nice for an initial product. Just the fact that it comes with pre-configured profiles is a huge win. I'm content with my current setup but next time I upgrade my headset I'm going to also upgrade to a FFB stick.
One thing that I think would be pretty interesting to see for the sim community, especially the civil side, would be throttles with motors in them so they can move like they would in real life. Either way, it's awesome that so many companies are starting to get competitive in the force feedback market. It seemed you were stuck with either ancient joysticks that didn't really hold a candle to the sticks available now, or you had to spend a decent amount of money to buy a handmade one, or pay to build your own.
Looks really nice, I have the Brunner cls2 base, it's really good that ffb is making a come back ,well over due. I mounted the Brunner on my p3 with Gorilla double sided tape. It sounds rubbish but works really well ,solid as a rock. I had to raise my yoke platform on the p3 to make room so when it goes through its start up it won't foul on the yoke. Thanks Mark . Very similar forces to the Brunner.
Brunner peak is 6.8Nm, nominal 4Nm, Moza is 12Nm peak and 9 nominal. I've ordered one due to the double peak force, hope I made the right decision, although I do love my Brunner Yoke CLSE MKII that peaks at over 100 :)
Been waiting for your video on this since you announced you had one... have to say I'm a bit disappointed as it doesn't show anything that hasn't been done before. I'm looking to push the button on one and no further informed... that said looking forward to future in depth videos. Keep up the good work.
Interesting video. What about trim? When you move the trim, does the effort you put on the stick become negligible? And does the stick stay in the same place as in a real aircraft?
Nice video! Since I have the H2, do you think that would be possible to mount it on the right? to be clear where You actually have the stop button.. on the left side I have almost 4kg with the throttle. PS I saw You mounted on a DOF HOTAS KIT arm..did the holes match to the ones under the Moza base? thanks
@@Uploadvideoschannel The AB9 will use the telemetry from MSFS initially until MSFS24 has FFB built in, hopefully within a few months of initial release.
It's nice to see that company's from sim racing are starting to make products for flight sim . I enjoy both sim racing and flight sim. it would be nice to have force feedback for for flying. Thanks Mark
Can you clarify if your NLR HF8 works with the MOZA software? Jabbers said in an early video that it overwrites the DCS .lua. Do you use simshaker for aviators and does it work with the Moza sw? Cant seem to find any info on this. Thanks
I use the XPForce software with the Microsoft Sidewinder ForceFeedback II and it responds very well.I recently bought the Swordfish and the heavy controls were reflected well in the software with no adjustments to settings.WARNING!! Using forcefeedback equipment will render you intolerant of any other control stick,its a one way trip!.........................................................
Hi Mark. Greg here…I bumped into you at the Vegas conference near the snack bar with your lovely wife. I’m in the market for a FFB unit and I greatly appreciate your always the best reviews! Can you clarify something…do you know if will it be functionally compatible with MS2020 soon or just with the upcoming 2024? I’d like to have it operational in both. Also, as an expert…what stick add on would, from your experience, be the one to get that is most versatile across the most aircraft? I like vintage planes like the spitfires, F86’s, P51’s, but also some moderns like the F117. All the best! Greg in North Carolina, USA.
@@gregh335 hey Greg, great to hear from you. Yes it will be MSFS 2020 & 2024 compatible. I would opt for the MH16. Thrustmaster Warthog or something compatible from Virpil.
Is the peak force of 12nm peak a bit of a dubious claim? Seems the the figure can be derived from a 45 degee stick position. I will be watching developments as I am in the market of a FFB Stick and rudder pedals. I notice that Moza don't actually state that the MRP will be FFB, unlike the Throttle(MTP) which is stated and having vibration feedback(haptic?).
12nm would be ridiculous in your hand, this isn't a steering wheel that requires a ton of force, honestly 5nm would be PLENTY on a flight stick. if thats what were doing, trying to replicate real life, except a small few planes, nothing would be designed to have that much force in your stick
@@fastfed I was making an observation regarding performance claims. No idea idea if 9nm is good or bad, but several flight simers have stated that is is weak.
@@melvilibI’m no expert in terms of force, all I can attest to is the force this base exerted was considerable. I haven’t seen any indication that the rudder pedals will be FFB at this stage.
I am very interested in this product, but.... Their website states that I will be fully responsible for all taxes and customs charges (like most do) but there is very little detail. I couldn't find any info on where the item would be despatched from until I asked in an email - China. They do have UK retailers selling their products but not flight stuff as yet. Their reply email did nothing to explain about customs fees etc, only confirming that they do usually apply and that I will have to pay them. Unfortunately, I simply cannot buy something under such circumstances.
Good Review. However, some things to note. This is coming from China. That may be okay but if you consider their history then you will see why the next item is notable. There are discussions on the DCS forums detailing how Moza had used the code from the software that the VPForce Rhino creator developed which is Open Source. They did not, however, follow the licensing agreement for using such code. I personally was interested in this product but have since decided to stick with my pre-order for a Rhino due to the community feedback for the hardware and just as importantly, the software.
I didn’t know MSFS 2024 would have FFB telemetry included, that is very interesting and a compelling reason to move over. How would MOZA feel about a head-to-head comparison with the VPforce Rhino?
@@SimHangerFS Hey dude. No it wasn't. The Sidewinder 2 was full ffb. Not remotely haptic. I asked ChatGPT to compare the Force Feedback 2 with contemporary ffb stick bases and it says the newer ones are stronger and the newer motors have less cogging so are smoother. These newer ffb bases are really tempting but I'm not sure how much of an improvement it will be to my old FFB2?
I had the original MS Sidewinder FFB stick. It was fantastic at the time. Just being able to get a feel for your airspeed by the trim forces was a game changer in a combat sim. I should wait to see what WinWing bring to the market, but I’m not sure I have the discipline to wait that long. Thanks for the overview Mark.
Moza shipping over promises and under delivers. I ordered Sept 1st, was charged Sept 1st, nothing since then, no reply to queries, nothing. I think I might cancel my order thru the credit card company.
I don't. I'm fairly certain all side stick users don't either so.....plus you can infer that since it has more force than the vprhino it's probably fine to use an extension. We'll have to look at it when more people are getting their hands on em but I doubt it's gonna be an issue.
@@sirwhippamusthe moza has the same force as the vpforce rhino. The 12nm is a bit misleading, because it is 9nm in each direction, what will result in 12 total when pushed into a corner. It might be a bit on the low side if you want to use an extension, i am waiting till we know more about the winwing ffb base, because that will have significantly higher torque from what i have heard edit: i remembered the amounts wrong and corrected them
There is a big problem with this one. What they don't tell you when you go to place an order on this is that it's 2 months delayed. They act as if it's in stock and their own shipping policy claims all items will be shipped within 3-5 business days. It's not until AFTER you've bought the item that it tells you that it will ship in 6-8 weeks. This is clear misrepresentation and borderline fraud. If you are to make an informed purchase on an item the company needs to tell you it's on back order. Now in America, this is law, and they are required to. Moza is not American and I don't know what their laws in the country they operate in require them to say or not. Though we all know Europe allows countries to be far more vague in their language when it comes to things like this.
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Software looks more promising than I thought, thanks for a thorough look.
Fantastic video and overview of the AB9! I love that it’s compatible with various third-party flight sticks. The build quality looks solid, and the software, with some improvements, seems to offer excellent customization options. I’m excited to see how it integrates with MSFS in the future. Thanks for the video and for consistently delivering great content.
It was awesome meeting you at FlightSimExpo 2024 and being on the panel with you, Mark. Looking forward to 2025. Cheers and blue skies!
Thanks, great to meet you too 😊
I’m glad they’re supporting the thrustmaster connector, that’s the only issue I have with my vkb, the fact that I can’t switch grips easily.
Moza makes great products. Running the R16 on my racing rig and love it. This base is on my wishlist for my DCS F-16 and A-10.
oh how i envy you. It is a dream come true to have so many companies coming out with FFB flight gear, Cannot wait to try this one out.
Looks amazing. software looks very nice for an initial product. Just the fact that it comes with pre-configured profiles is a huge win.
I'm content with my current setup but next time I upgrade my headset I'm going to also upgrade to a FFB stick.
It really comes into its own in VR 😊
The software was ripped from VPForce. The team just discovered it
Great Video/first look.
For helicopter modules, I would be very interested in how well it simulates a cyclic stick?
Was just about to say the same.
One thing that I think would be pretty interesting to see for the sim community, especially the civil side, would be throttles with motors in them so they can move like they would in real life.
Either way, it's awesome that so many companies are starting to get competitive in the force feedback market. It seemed you were stuck with either ancient joysticks that didn't really hold a candle to the sticks available now, or you had to spend a decent amount of money to buy a handmade one, or pay to build your own.
Looks really nice, I have the Brunner cls2 base, it's really good that ffb is making a come back ,well over due. I mounted the Brunner on my p3 with Gorilla double sided tape. It sounds rubbish but works really well ,solid as a rock. I had to raise my yoke platform on the p3 to make room so when it goes through its start up it won't foul on the yoke. Thanks Mark .
Very similar forces to the Brunner.
Brunner peak is 6.8Nm, nominal 4Nm, Moza is 12Nm peak and 9 nominal. I've ordered one due to the double peak force, hope I made the right decision, although I do love my Brunner Yoke CLSE MKII that peaks at over 100 :)
Been waiting for your video on this since you announced you had one... have to say I'm a bit disappointed as it doesn't show anything that hasn't been done before. I'm looking to push the button on one and no further informed... that said looking forward to future in depth videos.
Keep up the good work.
Dear Moza, Can you make a VKB adapter made out of metal.
No compatibility needed due to the Vkb Switchbox
Thank you
Can you elaborate on that Switchbox and how that works?
Interesting video.
What about trim?
When you move the trim, does the effort you put on the stick become negligible?
And does the stick stay in the same place as in a real aircraft?
Certainly like you Mark I am keen to see this in msfs.
On the to buy list 😬
Waiting for the FFB Base from Winwing, will probably be a bit cheaper and I can use my Winwing F16 joystick, hopefully
Nice video! Since I have the H2, do you think that would be possible to mount it on the right? to be clear where You actually have the stop button.. on the left side I have almost 4kg with the throttle. PS I saw You mounted on a DOF HOTAS KIT arm..did the holes match to the ones under the Moza base?
thanks
Great video! Would love to see another one going into more detail about msfs compatibility.
Wonder how Moza FFB stick compares to FFBeast and/or Rhino
What’s your take on the combination of a motion rig and a FFB joystick (in VR)? That at least on paper looks like the ultimate immersion.
Simply....EPIC!
great review. i look forward to AB9. whats your thoughts on MSFS since there isnt native FFB support unlike DCS which has native FFB...
@@Uploadvideoschannel The AB9 will use the telemetry from MSFS initially until MSFS24 has FFB built in, hopefully within a few months of initial release.
God I wish Virpil had a FFB Base out right now.
@@PaddyPatrone Still in dev. Exciting to see what they bring to market.
Any chance of a tutorial on the AB9 software. Very frustrating to use as not sure what to expect and how it hooks to sim?
Love the landing! 😅
@@Pixelatedworld-iu2dd 🤣
Would like to know if this can be used as a Helicopter cyclic in DCS and MSFS. If you could ask MOZA please Mark. Thanx in advance.
The only thing I want more than this base is a motion platform, but I'm poor. :( I did order the AB9 though. :)
Would like to hear your thoughts flying a heli.
@@billbaggins1688 will definitely try it out in MSFS. 👍
It's nice to see that company's from sim racing are starting to make products for flight sim . I enjoy both sim racing and flight sim. it would be nice to have force feedback for for flying. Thanks Mark
Incoming 🎉🎉🎉 thx Mark
Can you clarify if your NLR HF8 works with the MOZA software? Jabbers said in an early video that it overwrites the DCS .lua.
Do you use simshaker for aviators and does it work with the Moza sw? Cant seem to find any info on this. Thanks
@@DavidGöteskog I use my HF8 with NLR software (now improved and more stable than SfA) with the AB9.
@@SimHangerFS thanks for reply.
And this works as intended?
9 Nm is equivalent to around 1 kg hanged at an end of a 1 m long stick.
I wonder if vkb will develop a FF base.
It seems to become the new trend in the folden Age of Flightsiming we begin to see.
@@NoSTs123 I don’t know, but Virpil is definitely 💯
I use the XPForce software with the Microsoft Sidewinder ForceFeedback II and it responds very well.I recently bought the Swordfish and the heavy controls were reflected well in the software with no adjustments to settings.WARNING!! Using forcefeedback equipment will render you intolerant of any other control stick,its a one way trip!.........................................................
love my bruner yoke
Could you please weigh the base when you get a chance?
Airbus wont give you much ffb. They are full flybywire. This only really shines pared with old analog aircraft models.
Hi Mark. Greg here…I bumped into you at the Vegas conference near the snack bar with your lovely wife. I’m in the market for a FFB unit and I greatly appreciate your always the best reviews! Can you clarify something…do you know if will it be functionally compatible with MS2020 soon or just with the upcoming 2024? I’d like to have it operational in both. Also, as an expert…what stick add on would, from your experience, be the one to get that is most versatile across the most aircraft? I like vintage planes like the spitfires, F86’s, P51’s, but also some moderns like the F117. All the best! Greg in North Carolina, USA.
@@gregh335 hey Greg, great to hear from you. Yes it will be MSFS 2020 & 2024 compatible. I would opt for the MH16. Thrustmaster Warthog or something compatible from Virpil.
Is the peak force of 12nm peak a bit of a dubious claim? Seems the the figure can be derived from a 45 degee stick position. I will be watching developments as I am in the market of a FFB Stick and rudder pedals. I notice that Moza don't actually state that the MRP will be FFB, unlike the Throttle(MTP) which is stated and having vibration feedback(haptic?).
12nm would be ridiculous in your hand, this isn't a steering wheel that requires a ton of force, honestly 5nm would be PLENTY on a flight stick. if thats what were doing, trying to replicate real life, except a small few planes, nothing would be designed to have that much force in your stick
@@fastfed I was making an observation regarding performance claims. No idea idea if 9nm is good or bad, but several flight simers have stated that is is weak.
@@melvilibI’m no expert in terms of force, all I can attest to is the force this base exerted was considerable. I haven’t seen any indication that the rudder pedals will be FFB at this stage.
I am very interested in this product, but....
Their website states that I will be fully responsible for all taxes and customs charges (like most do) but there is very little detail.
I couldn't find any info on where the item would be despatched from until I asked in an email - China. They do have UK retailers selling their products but not flight stuff as yet.
Their reply email did nothing to explain about customs fees etc, only confirming that they do usually apply and that I will have to pay them.
Unfortunately, I simply cannot buy something under such circumstances.
Any landing you can walk away from... ;)
@@VRFlightSimGuy 😂
does it work with the FA/18 E/F Super Hornet Mod?
Bought it.
Good Review. However, some things to note. This is coming from China. That may be okay but if you consider their history then you will see why the next item is notable. There are discussions on the DCS forums detailing how Moza had used the code from the software that the VPForce Rhino creator developed which is Open Source. They did not, however, follow the licensing agreement for using such code. I personally was interested in this product but have since decided to stick with my pre-order for a Rhino due to the community feedback for the hardware and just as importantly, the software.
Does it work in MSFS yet?
Saw video today from same person on it now working in MSFS
@@billpii6314 Yes I saw it. He seemed a bit underwhelmed.
Do you know how it compare to MS Sidewinder Force Feedback 2?
The Sidewinder was more haptic feedback than true force feedback if I recall correctly. You can't really compare.
I didn’t know MSFS 2024 would have FFB telemetry included, that is very interesting and a compelling reason to move over. How would MOZA feel about a head-to-head comparison with the VPforce Rhino?
@@bigbangerz5856 Yes it is on the future content schedule. Will not be functional on day of release. Hopefully we will not have to wait too long.
@@SimHangerFS Hey dude. No it wasn't. The Sidewinder 2 was full ffb. Not remotely haptic.
I asked ChatGPT to compare the Force Feedback 2 with contemporary ffb stick bases and it says the newer ones are stronger and the newer motors have less cogging so are smoother.
These newer ffb bases are really tempting but I'm not sure how much of an improvement it will be to my old FFB2?
I had the original MS Sidewinder FFB stick. It was fantastic at the time. Just being able to get a feel for your airspeed by the trim forces was a game changer in a combat sim. I should wait to see what WinWing bring to the market, but I’m not sure I have the discipline to wait that long. Thanks for the overview Mark.
Moza shipping over promises and under delivers. I ordered Sept 1st, was charged Sept 1st, nothing since then, no reply to queries, nothing. I think I might cancel my order thru the credit card company.
Should that be SimHangar, not SimHanger?
@@Pembers357 it’s a long story……
Most important - will it support the Virpil sticks :)
@@nexus888 Some not all, I don’t have a definitive list yet.
Will the MH16 stick be compatible to Virpil bases?
@@stonech4t good question…I don’t know.
The best controller you own sits on top of the highest IKEA product in your room. Seems like a difficult place to use it. 😂
I'll take my old MS FFB stick with a $10 program to make it work, thanks. (DEAR LORD IT'S SO EXPENSIVE ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !)
A bit strange to release something before it supports all the main games. So many companies rush for sales nowadays
Too bad it doesn't seem to support P3D.
Anyone notice the silly mistake with the Airbus style grip? 🤦🏻
9nm is very low 😢
I found quite the opposite when trying it. 9kg per second of force is considerable.
Compared to what? A FFB racing wheel base, which is an entirely different scenario?
i find 9nm to be adequate.
peak tq of 12nm according to website
Every serious flight simmer uses an extension, literally every force feedback review, no one has used one.. fishyyyyyyyyyyy
I don't. I'm fairly certain all side stick users don't either so.....plus you can infer that since it has more force than the vprhino it's probably fine to use an extension. We'll have to look at it when more people are getting their hands on em but I doubt it's gonna be an issue.
@@sirwhippamusthe moza has the same force as the vpforce rhino. The 12nm is a bit misleading, because it is 9nm in each direction, what will result in 12 total when pushed into a corner.
It might be a bit on the low side if you want to use an extension, i am waiting till we know more about the winwing ffb base, because that will have significantly higher torque from what i have heard
edit: i remembered the amounts wrong and corrected them
Not anyone using it as a side stick.
@@WhiteHawk77 weird then how they already have the viper profile down ain't it 😂. Im sure that was absolutely a coincidence.
@@Warkip that makes sense. Hopefully it's on point then since people seem to like the vprhinos output. Let me know what you find when you get yours 🤙
There is a big problem with this one. What they don't tell you when you go to place an order on this is that it's 2 months delayed. They act as if it's in stock and their own shipping policy claims all items will be shipped within 3-5 business days. It's not until AFTER you've bought the item that it tells you that it will ship in 6-8 weeks. This is clear misrepresentation and borderline fraud. If you are to make an informed purchase on an item the company needs to tell you it's on back order. Now in America, this is law, and they are required to. Moza is not American and I don't know what their laws in the country they operate in require them to say or not. Though we all know Europe allows countries to be far more vague in their language when it comes to things like this.
Would this work with Falcon BMS ?