Shotgun Training - Pump Shotgun Malfunctions
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- Firearms Instructor and Remington certified Armorer, Jim Humphrey takes you through common types of pump action shotgun malfunctions, including the double feed and the immediate actions to clear the malfunctions. Demonstrated with a Remington 870 Shotgun.
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Being a new Remmington 870 owner, this saved me a lot of anxiety and I have taken a lot of time to practice taking care of these malfunctions. It has made me feel a lot more confident. Thank you so much Jim.
When the going gets tough, you will not rise to the occasion, you will default to the level of your training. Keep learning and thanks for watching!
I’m going to quote you on that, it’s amazing advice!
I have found that a mossberg is much more reliable and better at clearing malfunctions
Is there a video on clearing Mossberg shotguns?
Frank Ladd
Enough said 😂😂😂
A double feed in the receiver is a critical, life threatening failure. Thank you for this.
Get yourself a mossberg 500. I had one for years and never had a malfunction
Mines is locked up the bolt won’t come out the damn receiver
Very informative and we'll done. Thank you Jim!
Thanks, Jim. Just bought my first pump shotgun and you probably save me a lot of headache.
Just got my 1st pump action shot gun, was curious how the loading worked. Loaded and soft pumped... got a double feed and then, a jam. I thought something was wrong with the shotgun until I watched this, thank you!!! Have not had any issues since watching this 🙏🏽
the only problem I have with my Remington 870 is every once in awhile when I'm using low brass target loads I have failure to eject every once in awhile
Polish chamber, change extractor. Both things can be found in vids on youtube
Fantastic Educational Video !! 💯
Nice. Although there's nothing about failure to extract in the video. I have no idea what most are, and I had thought a double feed is one in the chamber and the bolt close with the extra shell.
I've racked my shotgun so hard over the years that the bottom end of the forestock has mushroomed slamming against the receiver.
For a semi auto, I just take a mallet and bang on the chamber until it comes back
I have a Winchester 1897 riot made in 1919 in very nice original condition including blueing. What would cause the pump to be stuck in the forward position? I can’t pump it back to extract the spent shell. It’ll randomly come but like once every 20 tries.
There's a part called the action slide lock that's supposed to move out of the way when the hammer falls that allows the action to be pulled back. Chances are that's gummed up and not moving. Can you release the action with the action release (the button on the right side of receiver below the hammer)? So could be a stuck part issue, basic disassembly and cleaning should help. Find a parts diagram and identify the action slide lock and see if it moves freely. Caveat, I'm no '97 expert. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching
My dickinson xx2s won't hold any shells in the tube anymore. Doesn't matter what size shell either. Any suggestions?
Shell latch(s) sticking, worn, broken or missing? I'm not familiar with Dickinson, but if the shell latches are like the ones on most shotguns, it could be they're worn. that would be rare but possible, they could have come loose from the receiver and slid back a little. Is the gun in good condition, the shell latch could get stuck in the compressed position if they were really dirty or rusted (or not fitted correctly). Hope that helps.
Very helpful. Thank you sir🤘🏽
Stay classy San Diego. I'm Ron Burgundy?
Very nice! Thanks a bunch for the info.
I had an issue today. Im not sure if it was the ammo or the knob wasn't on tight enough. I load up my shotgun, everything is cycling correctly, but it wouldn't fire each shell. I would squeeze the trigger but it wouldn't shoot until I popped the shell out and use the next one.
Sounds like the action isn't locking forward, at least that's one thing it could be. Make sure you pump the action rapidly and with force. If you pull the trigger and you don't hear a "click" then either the hammer didn't cock properly or the gun isn't in battery and the action is probably still isn't locked forward. If you can pull the action back, without first hearing the click or pressing the action release, then it's probably because you didn't run the action forward with enough force.
Very well explained
Thankyou very informative.
I got an Ithaca module 37 once you fire it it has a hard time pumping the next rough almost like it welded itself shut anyway you can do a vid on this been searching for a while to figure out the problem only finding slam firing and take downs help please 😒🤕
I've got two model 37's, so it's on my list, subscribe and you'll get a notification when it comes out.
Sorry but this hasn't helped me, I'm having a total failure to feed. The spring is pushing the shells back but that is as far as it wants to go. Hence, all I I have is a fancy looking single shot.
Send me an email ITDefensetraining@gmail.com with details and I'll try to work you through it. Pictures help.
Thank you Thank you Thank you 😊
I have a new mod 500 and when I work the action the first round will work fine but the next one will fall out the bottom it doesn’t make any difference if s a live round or a dummy
Sounds like your cartridge interrupter or cartridge stop is letting the shell slip past when the elevator is up. See my video on the Western Field 550 which has the same parts th-cam.com/video/oIp5dS5p4Zg/w-d-xo.html That can happen if the lip [of interrupter or the stop] is worn or broken. Odd that would be the case with a new gun. Also if the elevator wasn't dropping down when the bolt went forward, but something would have to be seriously broken for that to happen, again, odd for new gun. Just my thoughts, hope that helps.
so it happens in fortnite and irl 🤨
Thank you for this
The career got stuck it won't close but there is 2shells right in front of eachother
Yeah, that sounds like a double feed. I explain how to clear that in the video. Hope that helps!
Thank you.
Superb training Jim!
My remington 870 has mim extractor. İs mim extractor safe? Should ı change it with non mim extractor. Thank you…
I've not heard of any issues with MIM extractors on 870's, I actually haven't seen one yet, but I deal mostly with older LE guns. Can't see how it would be a "safety" issue either way, reliability issue sure, if it fails you're going to know it for sure. If you're worried, it's a cheap part to replace. When it doubt ... Thanks for watching!
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Just advoid all this shit with a mossberg 930
:-) If it's a mechanical device and it moves it can malfunction. Chance favors the prepared
excellent video, thank you
Thanks!
Thank you verry much the first issue was exactly the problem with my 301
Hell--I had two expensive Rem 1187-Police shotguns fail NIB--The first round fired flawless but wouldn't eject...Literally had to polish the chambers of both guns upon receipt from factory (Remington). Shame on them but other vendors are equally culpable...
Thank you
My dad was loading my benelli nova 20 gauge and he loaded 2 in the magazine and then put one in the chamber so when he closed the action one of the rounds from the magazine came up and Tryed to load in but was blocked by the one I’m the chamber, now we can’t can’t the one out of the action because the pump handle locks ones you’ve put one in and have it loading. Me or him domt know what to do so we can get the shell out of the action
Edit: I got the cartridges out by removing the barrel but the action is still halfway closed and won’t close fully, open or fire so I can bring it back
I'm a little unclear on the current issue. You have removed ALL of the shells from the gun? If you can continue the disassembly by removing the trigger group and the foregrip that should allow you to reset the action.
@@ImminentThreatDefense it’s fixed now thank you👍
Thank you‼️🇺🇸 very helpful....
I own a Winchester model 1300 12 ga. and when racking it recently the shell did not feed into the chamber; It simply fell to the floor. I did have the shotgun pointed up (vertical). So when I finished racking it, there was no shell chambered. Any ideas as to why this would happen?
I've had the same shotgun since 1998 & haven't had any serious malfunctions, only when I used cheap low brass loads, other common loads went through perfectly fine.
Excellent tutorial! Great practice drill also. Thank you.
Thank you for your advice!! You saved me from having to call someone to my rescue on a double feed jam.
GRAAAAACIAAAAS
I have a jc higgings model 20 and the safety dont work
I agree with most of what he says, although do you think you can fix the pump shotguns cause Epic is smoking massive amounts of crack
Well done! Adding this to my collection of must keep shotgun videos!
Hi Jim, I just inherited my father’s Remington pump action shotgun n it can with some type of jam? I took it out of its carrier I tried to unload it and couldn’t get the pump action to slide. I guess I’m in need of a gunsmith, I don’t wanna blow my hand off or blow a hole in the wall, my wife would be very upset by either of those choices. Thanks for the video, very informative, after I get this issue taken care of I’m going to get some dummy rounds, watch this video again and practice your lesson..
Did you try depressing and holding the action release? That should allow you to pump the action back.
@@jimhumphrey334 I haven’t yet, I was sorta afraid to try since I don’t know how many live rounds are in it. I don’t think he ever fired a round off. I believe he got it for home protection, loaded it and put it back in its case.
@@stevena9512 Here's a video I did on unloading the 870 (and other firearms) have a look at that. th-cam.com/video/X3RJVPUzKCw/w-d-xo.html This video is on my channel page and provides some detail on using the action release (on the 870 and several other shotguns) as well as some sage safety advice. The Action Release lever is intended to be used for just what you are trying to do, safely unload the shotgun. BTW Brownells.com sells dummy rounds identical to the ones I use, product number 100-039-843WB
@@ImminentThreatDefense Thanks Jim, I tried using the action release as you instructed and was able to get the pump to activate and discharge the shells in it. Thank you so much for your help. I’m heading over to you channel to watch your video now. Again, Thank you for your personal correspondence.
Helpful tips. Thanks!
Great video, thank you!
Very instructive, very useful. Easy peasy
Thank you for your service
Thank you. It's a great video. I've been practicing with dummy rounds. But I'm glad to know that on the range, it's safe/okay to use your fingers to get the round out.
Thanks for the very informative and educational video. I've never encountered a pump action malfunction but I always like to know what to do should the situation arise.
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Hello, I just got a NEW Rem 870 express tactical. When firing my new shotgun this past weekend I encountered several of the same malfunctions using cheap brass shells (Federal Target Loads $20/100) Did not have a stovepipe or extraction issues. What I had, was issues with the shell NOT going fully into battery. When pumping forward the shell would get stuck. Would have to eject it to get it out. Any advice? Is it the cheap shells? Do I need to polish the chamber? Am I short stroking it?
I learned when addressing firearm issues to check things in the "SAMM" order. Shooter, Ammo, Maintenance, Mechanical. So first I would look at your operating technique, be sure to be rapid, forceful with the action. Second try a different ammo and make sure your ammo is the right type for your firearm. A 3" shell in a 2/34" chamber doesn't fit very well (though at $5 per box I doubt that's the problem). Then make sure the firearm is clean and lubricated. Final start checking the mechanics of the gun, first thing I'd look at is the carrier. Make sure the carrier is presenting the shell to the chamber for a smooth feed. Remove the barrel and hand feed a couple of rounds see how they feel (best to use dummy rounds of course.). Good luck, thanks for watching.
I’ve read and seen plenty of videos stating that Remingtons quality has dropped and the cause of the 870’s jamming issues. When I first bought mine 15 years ago it shot and cycled as expected, but the last couple times out it will jam every round.
As some of the videos show I did some of the part replacements (extractor, etc) and polishing yet still jamming. My next step is to do more polishing/filing.
"jam" is a ubiquitous word, you need to analyze which component of the cycle of operation is failing ( Feed, chamber, lock, fire, unlock, extract, eject and cock). This will enable you to identify the solution, so for example there's no point in replacing the shell latches if the issue is "failure to extract". When I start diagnosing issues I was taught do in the S.A.M.M. order. Shooter, Ammo, Maintenance & Mechanical. Despite my temptation (because it's fun) to start tearing the firearm apart and replacing parts, I always look at the shooters technique first, then try different ammo, then make sure the firearm is clean and lubricated before I start looking a parts.
Wow that second jam caused me to field strip the whole darn thing with a live round in the tube... I was sweating bullets. Finally it racked after reassembly (idk what I did) and I was able to get the round in the chamber, and just dump it...
Lol same
I had constant stove pipes and weak ejections until I realised that the 870 doesn't like any shell longer than 67 mm. When I use these it's flawless.
Hmmm presuming you mean crimped length (unshot), if you're using a magnum receiver it should work with 3" shells (SAAMI spec length about 67 to 70mm) otherwise you need to stick to the the 2 3/4" shells (SAAMI spec about 61-62mm).
Excellent video!
Hi good video my 870 remington tactical has a weak ejection of the used shells, i hav to rack it hard to eject them properly and they dont fly away, they bearly get out. Unused shots are ejected really great maybe because they are heavy i dont know why this happens and how to fix it. Do you know how?
First place to look is the ejector and ejector spring (assuming it's a 12ga). The ejector tip could be broken that's what makes the shell really fly out, the spring just gives it a gentle push if you pull the action back slowly. If the ejector is broken it's replaceable but it's going to take a gunsmith or armorer and it's going to mar the finish on outside of the receiver.
Hello ,Is it possible to recharge a pump action shotgun pointing the gun downwards? as the shell will jam and will not come up with the lever to insert the chamber.so is it completely wrong to recharge it downwards and a must to be horizontal or upwards while recharging it?
So the most important thing to remember is to keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. So down being often the most safe (not always) yes it is OK to cycle the action in that orientation. However, always move the action (pump it) with force and speed. If you do that you can cycle the gun in any orientation, even on it's side, ejection port down. If you move the action slowly there are a number of orientations that will cause a malfunction. Hope that helps, thanks for watching.
What if you cant access the carrier when you get a double feed malfunction?
Not sure how that would happen. The shell is either on top of the carrier or the carrier is on top of the shell. If you can't access the carrier, then the shell is on top of the carrier (gun upside down orientation) then you don't have a double feed, if the carrier is on top of the shell then what I show works.
Appreciate the video.
Outstanding!
Hello, I hope you receive this information, I own a 1975 Ithaca Model 37 12g Featherlite 28" ribbed barrel with a MOD choke, what are good brand of 00/slug shells to use that are not low brass, also how can one tell when purchasing shells that they are or are not low brass.
Thank you
The difference between high brass and low brass is pretty much a thing of the past. It used to be high brass cartridges were higher power or perceived to be a higher quality. That really doesn't apply these days (I'm sure somebody will disagree with that :-) but to answer your question. If it's a high brass shell, they'll tell you (to try to get more value) but you can just look at it, high brass has about 3/4 of metal case on the sides, before the plastic shows. As for best brand, I don't have a preference, especially for a pump shotgun. One of the advantages of the pumps, is they aren't nearly as picky as autoloaders. And besides, even in the good times 00 doesn't have much selection available, so you kind of have to go with what you can find.
First things first, Thank you for getting back to me, so this afternoon I went to one of the better gun shops in my area and bought a 2 pack of five Federal Powershock 12g 00 buckshot and 2 of Winchester SuperX Rifled Slug 1600 1 oz... I’m using them at my indoor range for target practice so I’ll see how they act in the old 37
Although informative and well done, I can only say that my .12 ga. Remington Wingmaster is 42 yrs. old and been used quite extensively. In those 42 yrs., I have never experienced any of the malfunctions shown in this video. Is it possibly due to a better made shotgun 40 yrs. ago, when compared to current production models?
I agree this platform is so reliable you seldom see these malfunctions. I've got a 1953 wingmaster and a 1989 and unlike many manufacturers Remington didn't cheapen this gun very much in all those years. But this is a spin off of my Law Enforcement training classes, so we train for even the slightest possibility of failure. The stakes are higher than missing a shot on a pheasant :-) Plus, sad to say, many of the squad car guns I worked with are about as old as yours but haven't been treated as well. But to your point, I'm going to change the title to read "common types" not "common" because as you say, they aren't that common.
@@ImminentThreatDefense I understand about the stakes being a lot higher in a life threatening situation. I currently have two .12 ga. Remingtons. One, I bought about 5 yrs. ago and it has become my hunting shotgun. The older one has retired from hunting, has a shortened barrel, and is considered to be my "welcome mat". However, it actually sees more use now than it did when it was my hunting shotgun. I am sure you will agree that any firearm used for self defense requires one thing....Practice, practice, and more practice.
Excellent,thanks.
Glad you liked it!
I've recently come across another mal function :(
I was using up my old ammo and some of it was abit rusty .the rounds cycle thru but the extractor fails to pull the round out leaving it jamed in the breach. (I know u shouldn't use old ammo but they were just abit rusty and seems a waste to bin them)
The only way I cleared it was by using a duster handle down the front and ramming it out. Surely there's a far safer and cleverer way to do this??
Once you've torn the rim off the shell nothing is going to get it out of the chamber but a stick down the barrel. You can unbarrel it (on some guns) and use an extractor on it (but obviously not on live round)
@@ImminentThreatDefense thanks for the reply,is there any chance of setting the round off by pushing a wooden up the barrel??
I gonna carry a wooden batton in my load out for if this ever happens again ,otherwise u need a secondly weapon as well
My bad ,the round should always be shot off hence the extractor fail as the next sequence. Self goal lol
@@mark6115 No, valid question, maybe it got left overnight in a wet gun and it rusted in. So the answers is, shoot it before you start poking it with a stick :-)
I have a new 870 that some times will not feed u can work the action back and fourth and eventually it will work and it doesn't do it all the time. Any idea's?
You'll have to give me a bit more info. When you say "will not feed" do you mean a shell isn't coming out of the magazine, or the carrier doesn't lift the shell? When it doesn't feed is the action moving smooth through out the complete range of motion?
@@ImminentThreatDefense I have a Mossberg 500 and the action is smooth but the shell doesn't seem to be lifting all the way up every time like the edge of the shell gets caught on the chamber what could cause this thanks
@@colbyturbeville2946 Lot's of feed an ejection problems are associated with the speed with which you work the action. Don't baby it, work the action forcefully and quickly. See if that doesn't solve the problem. Try different shells and see if that helps, Make sure its well cleaned and lubricated. Mechanically there are a number of parts involved It's hard to see how the elevator assembly would be bent or excessively warn but it's possible, that would take an inspection.
@@ImminentThreatDefense ok thank you
This taught me so much. Straight to point. So nice.
Thank you for this video. I'm new to shotguns and after a lot of research and shooting I now have an 870 tactical with an adjustable butt (I'm 5' 95lbs). I have less than 50 rounds on it and found it has jammed twice and I just now noticed that there is marring on the barrel from a loose or defective fore-end.
Can either or both be "fixed" by a gunsmith or myself?
Thank you for your time.
FYI I purchased the new weapon from a respected shop in my area. I've also ran into three other people that have had the same issues over the last few years.
Hard to say, feel free to send me a picture of the marring on the barrel, and describe the malfunction in more detail. You can contact me directly at ITDefenseTraining@gmail.com
@@ImminentThreatDefense I will send you a picture. I just got this new iPhone and I have no idea how to use it so far. Please give me a little time and I will figure it out.
I really appreciate your reply and anything that you can tell me about my issue.
Thanks again!
@@ImminentThreatDefense Hello. It took me a few tries but I sent a much smaller picture to your email. If you replied in my email, forgive me. I seldom look at emails anymore.
Let me know when you get a chance.
Thank you,
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@@susana5052 I did. Check ur email.
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Dang I’ve never seen such a small comment section
Ok I cleaned it but it seems the elevator isn't lifting enough what can I do
The number one cause of this problem is lack of operating the action with vigor. Forcefully move the action all the way to the rear and then immediately snap it forward. If that doesn't help try changing shells. If you're still having the problem it may be time to take it to a gunsmith or armorer.
I am pumping it as hard as I can and have used 2 different types of shells i think you may be right
@@colbyturbeville2946 Whenever I'm diagnosing a problem with a gun, the acronym I was taught was S.A.M.M. The order to look for issues is the most probable order of the problem, Shooter, Ammo, Maintenance, Mechanical. I try not to start tearing things apart until I've gone through the first three.
Ok I have been pumping all the way back and fourth hard and fast I have used 2 types of ammo and disassembled and cleaned but I did notice something not sure is it normal for on the elevator the two round peices that go in the reciever one rotates smoothly one is stiff and will not rotate could that cause this
@@colbyturbeville2946 This is getting to be an involved discussion, why don't you email me at ITDefenseTraining@gmail.com with some pictures of the part that isn't moving smoothly and I'll try to give you an opinion.
What about after you shoot your pump shot gun and the spent shell doesn’t come out. It’s very difficult to get out.
It’s an old 16 gage. Sweet 16 my dad said it was called.
It's called "failure to extract" the solution is; transition to your pistol. But as far as diagnosing the problem when you say it's difficult to get out. Do you mean the pump action works but the shell stays in the chamber or does the gun lock up and not want to pump? First, push the empty shell hull out with a cleaning rod and inspect it. Look for why it was stuck (swelled, ruptured) or why it wouldn't extract (torn rim, no extractor marks). Then inspect the extractor, is it broken, stuck, missing, not moving freely? Is the extractor engaging the rim of the shell? If it's the action that won't move but the spent shell fits easily in the chamber and comes out easily, then the problem can be in the action release and have nothing to do with the shell. Start with a good cleaning and inspection. Let me know how it goes. Thanks for watching!
Imminent Threat Defense once I shoot I pump it and the shell that was fired won’t come out once I pump it. Does that make sense. It’s a very old 16 gage.
@@harpazosnatched2247 Probably we need to make sure you've got a bolt face extractor. What model shotgun is this? But presuming you've got a common model pump shotgun, does the empty shell remove easily when you push it out with cleaning rod (put the cleaning rod in the muzzle end and push the shell out of the chamber)? If that's the case then it's a problem with the extractor, it could be broken or stuck back. Look at the extractor it should be kind of hook shaped and it should hinge outward just a little and then spring back into place. If it's broken, then the end of the extractor will be missing and there may be scratch marks on the lip of the shell (where the extractor tried but failed to get a grip on the shell) In which case it needs to be replaced. If the extractor doesn't hinge out and spring back it could be really gummed up or rusted, in which case it needs to be cleaned, possibly removed to get fully cleaned. You can see what an extractor should look like on my Winchester model 12 video or my Higgins model 10 video.
Imminent Threat Defense I’ll get back with you. It was my dads shot gun. Im59 and he had it way before I was born. I’m. At work. Thank you so much for getting back with me. God Bless you Sir.
Always use dummy ammo ...
You clearly loading bird shot in this to demonstrate....😅😅😅
I always appreciate viewers who check the details and keep me honest. But in this case, actually those are not live rounds. That's a Remington dummy round available to factory armorers. It does have shot and wadding in it to give it the weight and balance of live ammo but it has no powder or primer. Fiochi also makes them they're available through Brownell’s part number 100-039-843MB thanks for watching!
Nice. Although there's nothing about failure to extract in the video. I have no idea what most are, and I had thought a double feed is one in the chamber and the bolt close with the extra shell.
True about the failure to extract, I probably should have added something. There are actually two modes of failure to extract, the first is what you describe bolt comes back but extraction fails, which could result a jam when the next shell tries to load, the corrective action for that one is to fish out the loose shell and try to eject again or ramrod the chambered shell out. The second is when the shell sticks in the chamber and you're unable to pull the action back. The solution for that one is make sure the shell is discharged and take it to a gunsmith. There is a combat method called "mortaring" where you (make sure the shell is discharged) hold down the action bar release, pull on the action and (keeping your face away from the muzzle) slam the butt into the ground, a very dangerous method suitable only for use only combat. The double feed I described in the video would only happen if you have worn shell latches or a chipped rim on the shell. Something we saw in Law Enforcement with heavily used shotguns and shells that had been loaded and unloaded (at shift change) numerous times. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@ImminentThreatDefense Yeah, and the cause of that to happen. Maybe the brass on the shell could've expanded due to multiple times of the shells being loaded. Or the chamber isn't polished (or even clean enough).
Holy Crap. This guy is doing a VHS educational video format on TH-cam. Talk about being out of touch.
Yeah, I could have shot this by trying to hold a shaky camera in one hand and trying to work the gun with the other, with bad lighting and sound, and just laid the gun on my mom’s coffee table. Instead, I went with this. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
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Help me out, I always appreciate constructive criticism. What was it you didn't like, how could I make it better? If it's just I'm a lousy actor and can't read my lines, well I know that :-) Thanks for watching and commenting.
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