Table saw fence with incremental positioning
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- Making a homemade Biesemeyer style fence for my table saw. This was a surprisingly simple and cheap project and it turned out perfect! It's extremely accurate.
Buy plans here: www.etsy.com/l...
Links to some of the parts I used:
8020 T-track nuts: www.amazon.com/...
Rockler aluminum extrusion: www.rockler.com...
Threaded rod: www.ebay.com/ul...
Angular contact bearings: m.ebay.com/itm/...
Thanks for your interest!
Support me on Patreon: / jerschmidt
Years later this is still my favorite TH-cam project. I can't wait to have a garage shop of my own where I can afford this sort of space. Inspiring.
There are a ton of this kind of video -- very few of this high quality. What makes it exceptional is that you don't waste words or play loud stupid music that you are SURE EVERYONE would love to hear. Not a wasted moment. No stammering and backtracking and telling us what you should have done but did not do. You really do know how to make an instructional video. Of course, one could not attempt this project without detailed plans. I'm sure those are in the works. Bravo.
Thank you!
You say "one could not attempt this project without detailed plans"; how are you thinking I did it? I hate the everyone has to have plans in order to build something.
But in order to please my audience, there will be plans.
+Jer's Woodshop But you did have plans... you just don't have the usb port behind your left ear to download to the device of your choice to print hardcopy.
Right. And the best way to download the plans is to watch the video. They download directly to the computer behind that USB port that isn't behind your left ear.
+Jer's Woodshop Everyone works differently. I've built entire kitchens with nothing more than a sketch of the area, and watching the video is enough for me... though there are a few things I'd (maybe) do differently, your video explained the concept perfectly.
+Pat Sullivan Thanks Pat.
Watching this project come together is like looking into the mind of a GENIUS, plus the hand skills to match! I’ve watched it several times, and it still amazes me! A younger version of John Heisz!!!
hah, me to, several times over the years. amazes every time. love this build
That is one slick fence....you make it look so easy but we all know otherwise as much thought and patience went into the build.
Honestly. It was pretty easy to do. Thank you!
Excellent build.
Above my skill level, but with this detail, I am willing to advance until I find a failure point.
I'll fix it from there.
Thank you for all you do.
Well-made video, with minimal voice-over, no flannel, just the facts. Very neat design! I've been unhappy with my tablesaw fence for some time, so this has really inspired me to make a metric version - thanks!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
This is easily the very best maker video I've ever seen. You keep it up Jer, and you will be giving Matthias Wandell, Marc Spagnolo, Stumpy Nubs, Jimmy Diresta, and John Heisz a run for their money. Absolutely brilliant work and really well produced tutorial, and thanks for not playing some weird crappy music in the background. People don't realize that when it comes to music,one man's food is another man's poison.
+sigung01 Agree on all points. If I want music I will type in the name of the band in the search box.
+sigung01 Your right, Wandell would be proud :-)
In accuracy in par with Marc, in engineering in par with Matthias, in idea in par with Jimmy, and in term of skill in par with John . . .In one man show
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Very very nice. Always amazed at guys like you who make their own tool jigs or whatnot and include all the little pieces and parts that make the thing work. Nicely done. Keep it up!
+Sig Guy Thank you!
the satisfaction of making this and using it must be immense, great job man.
It is. :) Thanks!
Oh, Man! You design and build great stuff! I got my saw for free with a Beis already on it but I think your design is better! I’m going to meld some of your cool features into mine to improve it. Ha! I’m upgrading my Beis to a Schmidt-1000!!! Cheers! 🙂
I just hate the fact that you have so many better tools than I do and I have been collecting for 60 years or so.LOL. Seriously, you do some very nice work, love your videos, keep em coming!
Great project. Only drawback I can see is that when you change blades, the calibration needs to be redone because no two saw blades are the exact same thickness unless they're the same make and model. So the only thing I would modify is the pointer mount by allowing it be adjusted sideways so it can point to an exact 1/16" mark after re-calibrating the fence.
I essentially never change my blade, so I wouldn’t have thought of this. Thanks for pointing this out. I’ll keep it in mind in case I make Gen 2.
I have been pouring over the videos for self made fences, both table and band saws. You have by far blown all the others away, and a great deal of the other designs are brilliant. Your accuracy and detail speak volumes about your abilities, and your design. Excellent workmanship. That is art you are making. I am sure your father is so proud, or would be. I would be. I would love to see this done to a band saw? Regards, Hairman.
Thank you! I appreciate it. I have a bandsaw and it needs a fence, but I would want to scale it down a bit because I feel like it would be too bulky for a bandsaw. I'll definitely make a video about it if a make one.
I've only recenty stumbled on to your channel and must say that I'm impressed. You're quite clever in your problem solving and ability to invent with simplicity of design and repurposing seemingly mundane hardware. Well done on all counts. Looks like I've got a lot of videos to catch up on. Best of luck!
Jeremy, this is a great vid and design. A bit on the heavy side but it works. I would have built it out of aluminum. Ive got 22 years as a fabricator and the only thing Id recommend is when drilling steel, Id use some sort of cutting oil or watered down liquid soap to save on drill bits. an old spray bottle with water and soap would do the trick if you dont have the funds to buy cutting oil. Keep up the great work.
+Sam Obrian
Thanks! The weight doesn't seem to affect its performance. It's easy to slide and I never take it off. And I am using cutting oil now!
I’ve been things about something like this for my saw but your design is amazing more in depth though than I had. Awesome job !!!
Thanks for the comment. You and AskWoodMan inspired me to build my own Beisemeyer style fence for my old Harbor Freight saw. When I tried your method of gluing the UHMW tabs to the steel flatbar I had trouble with the UHMW coming unglued. Have you had any trouble with the epoxy sticking to the UHMW? Maybe I used too cheap of glue. I'm going to cut some grooves in the plastic to give it some tooth and I'll try again.
I meant to say thanks for the content.
Thank you.
I haven't had any of the UHMW pads come off the flatbars yet, but the one on the opposite end of my router table fence broke off the other day. I have found that one was unnecessary anyway. When I broke it off I was taking the fence out of its storage position under the saw, and the pad hit the frame really hard. It made quite a pop when it came off so I think it was stuck well.
Your thought of cutting grooves should work great. I resawed mine on the bandsaw, so the bandsaw cut is rough enough I suppose that helps a lot.
Thanks for letting me know, I think I'll add a note about that in the plans.
I re sawed it on the bandsaw, too. I did make it about an 1/8" thick. I'm just hoping it was because I used cheap epoxy from Harbor Freight.
Just stumbled across your channel. Holy cow. What a great video/channel You have such amazing talent for a young man. Thanks for sharing your skill and knowledge w/ the world Keep up the great work.
This is very clever of you, thoroughly enjoyed this video.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
A very Superb, Brilliant piece of work; HOWEVER, although it might be cheap to make, your level and degree of workmanship surpasses any notion of a backyard or basement reproduction. the moment you came out with the metal milling machine I had to stop; although I do have a welder, the only milling I do is with my dual speed drill and some high speed drill bits; Yes i would love to build your fence, I love it, but the milling is where I'm stumped, maybe I'll find one a little simpler, but, keep up the good work,
You do not need to do any milling to make this. You just need a drill press, angle grinder, and welder. The plans explain how to do it without a mill or lathe.
Credit to you young man. You are a master
Thank you!
Excellent design and video.
If this fence is simple, what is for you complicated and hard :)? Your work is not DIY anymore but industrial level. I like your solution for fixing and fine adjustment very much, this is here the big idea.
I was looking for you long time no see 👍
Now that you have a year of using this fence behind you, is there anything you would change?
+Jason Perry
I wouldn't change anything functionally, but I've always wanted to make it look a little nicer and put on a more ergonomic handle. The cam area looks kind of cobbled & unprofessional.
How are the threads holding up?
My big worry is that I would spend all kinds of time making it and the threads would be all chewed up in a year or two.
+Jason Perry
I was worried about that too, but so far they look almost like new. Keep in mind that if they do get chewed up the threaded rod is easy to replace and surprisingly cheap.
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a very nice design Jer
I was looking at building a similar fence but I hadn't thought of doing a cam with split hex nuts.. my design would've been similar to an X axis on a mill or lathe where you would have to crank the fence over to location with a handwheel. I am curious about the other end of the fence. It always seems to me that even the best fences have a little movement and that a linear shaft on the other side might help keep that from moving and keep the fence parallel to the blade. It also may be that I don't have enough experience with a table saw to mitigate that and that no one else has that problem..
+Jacob Johnson
The concern of the far end of the fence moving is one that has come up many times in this comments section. The truth is, you don't really put enough pressure against a table saw fence to deflect it. It *might* be possible to make a working mechanism that clamps on the back side, but I have yet to see one that works. My previous (Craftsman) table saw had a fence that clamps on both ends, but the issue is that it never locks straight. This T-square style always fence locks straight.
So the only serviceable option I can see is to make the fence lock in two operations, using a T-square to ensure it is straight, and then lock the opposite end to make sure it won't move. But in reality, I would never, ever, use this option if I had it. I would only use the front lock because it is always good enough.
thats what we call engineering :) great job, well done .
Thanks!
I sure hope you patented this design. You could be set for life
Nope. If I had patented it I would be $15,000 in debt right now instead of having a successful TH-cam channel that supports my hobby.
+Jeremy Schmidt why would you be in debt?
Patents cost. A LOT. And at this point I would likely still be talking to manufacturers and wouldn't be seeing any returns. By the time I paid off the $20,000 patent, the "next thing" would come along and obsolete my design.
Brilliant brilliant brilliant.
Congratulations man! Wonderfull piece!
Thanks!
I'd give you two thumbs up but I had an accident on a table saw in the 80's.
+xl
Sorry to hear that, but I'll give you as many thumbs up on this comment as I can! :)
Nice work and I love the detail about construction. I've watched it four or more times trying to remember everything. I dream about one for my saw. How do you adjust your new fence to be parallel with the blade? I missed that part. Thank you for hard work!
Thanks! There are two screws on the back of the angle iron T-square that adjust the fence angle. Same as most other Beisemeyer style fences.
Great work! Didn't you worry about blade-deflection with your calibration?
The blade can't deflect much when running at 3,450 RPM.
This is really cool man.
на линейке ,используй ленту от рулетки и ещё лучше будет! Отличная работа!Супер!!!
After living with this for a while how do you like it?
I just ended up rebuilding my table saw (one of the gears had some stripped teeth which I welded and re-cut and in the process disassembled most of it and shimmed it tight, cleaned everything up, readjusted everything...) and I'm looking at my fence again and debating this, bringing me back to your video.
My concern is that when I'm metalworking this kind of repeatability is a great thing, but woodworking is less precise, I can't tell you how often (maybe dozens of times in a session) I find myself loosening my fence and gently tapping it over a hair just to get the fit a little bit better (I remember at one point having a dial indicator on it and measuring in thousands of an inch, though I don't remember why).
Your setup locks down in 1/16" increments, and your detents will allow it to move 1/32", and you can probably accurately stop half way between the detents for 1/64" (about .016", which if I remember from measuring is about 2-4 of those little taps on the fence I do now). My concern is that I don't know how often the repeatability would get used, right now I tend to set up the fence and try to make all the cuts that I need to be exactly the same at one time before I move it, which wouldn't be necessary but it's not often a problem. OTOH, wood is imprecise and all that "I just need to shave half a hair off of this to make it fit perfectly," I'm worried I might find all the knob turning aggravating and on the other side of that I wonder if 1/16" steps might be too fine for quick work, like is there any tendency to "miss" and lock down a tooth off of where you want to be?
I'm wondering if this might turn my workflow from "set the fence, cut, tap it over, cut, good..." to "lock the fence down, cut, unlock, twiddle the knob, cut, twiddle again, cut, OK, gotta twiddle the knob back before setting the fence for the next cut..." and getting annoyed at it, then an occasional "crap, I can't repeat that cut because I've twiddled the knob," or worse, twiddling the knob over and ending up 1/16" off of where I thought I would be and needing to recut something.
Potentially it could go the other way, where the accurate repeatability means that I don't need to do much "shaving a hair off that cut" but that would surprise me considering how much of the time I'm repairing things and trying to match something up to existing stuff.
It really depends how rough your work is, but if you currently eyeball the cursor and scale to get it within 1/16", then you're always going to hit the right increment with this fence. I ended up putting a scale on the knob (a mark for every 0.005"), to help with the times where I have to return the knob to the same spot.
Bottom line; this fence is perfect for me, and I'm never really frustrated by it because I always want this level of precision. But I can't guarantee you'll have the same experience.
One thing to mention: the knob turns easier than you might think. Very easy to just roll your palm against it.
I think you have it backwards, it's not how rough but how fine my work is. I was actually more worried about getting the level of precision that I'm used to or at least getting it without a lot of annoying fiddling. Right now I (and most fences) can set any increment that i can move it, and my fence has both a gear driven fine adjust and I can just gently tap it to do the same. Soon after I watched this I ran across this video of Matthias Wandel's where he taps the fence over for thousandths of an inch like what I'm describing doing all the time (If the link doesn't work right it should put you right at one of the instances at 1:20 in the video):
th-cam.com/video/ZCbf39_ikFo/w-d-xo.htmlm20s
I'm curious how this looks and works with the .005" markings, especially since that ends up with 12.5 increments (it would be easier to just put 25 markings and have a .0025" increment I think), but I'd like to see how this kind of work looks like with this fence setup (maybe an idea for a quick update video ;-) ).
Question: For those of us that do not know how to weld, could this be done using a Riveter?
Awesome...very well done
Truly amazing build!!
Now can you do the same thing in my house? lol
Just kiddin.
You have some awesome talent. May I ask how old you are and what you work/study?
Thank you!
I'm 18 and currently this is all I do. TH-cam and working wood for hire.
your welcome Jeremynoticed after researching you that you sell your plans but I don't have a lathe or a welder so that's me outmay buy them anyway and get a local engineer to make it for me, I have a brand new scheppach ts315/or now the HS120it uses a t bar on a cam and its rubbish really really bad design, so I need something like you have made.regardsnick
+dingo dring As I pointed out in the video, you don't need a lathe to make the fence, so you just need to get a welder. But having a local shop custom build it would be great too.
fantastic job!!!
+Frank Kerstein Thanks!
Thanks for the Video! Good job!
nice and pretty JOB
Thanks!
Jeremy, can you recall the source of threaded rod that actually had uniform thread spacing of 16 tpi ? I'm not sure whether it was one of your videos or someone else's that illustrated varied (inaccurate) thread spacing, a phenomena I've seen in other allthread. If you know, who sells the good stuff? Thanks.
I got it from Zoro Tools. It’s the plain steel, not zinc plated. I was told by a viewer that the zinc plating process can cause the rod to shrink-expand, but I do not know if that is true.
I couldn't find a listing for 6' threaded rod by Zoro but another outfit with a similar presence had it.
I like your thoughts on the design. Did you ever think to do this all in wood? (Except for the lead screw)
+tkarlmann
I don't think there would be any way to make it rigid enough with wood unless you make it massive. Naturally I didn't want that either!
Hmm. I would consider reinforcing the long hardwood arm with an embedded & screwed-in piece of angle iron; everything else wood. Would that be rigid enough?
+tkarlmann
I don't think so. Especially considering that wood moves, so humidity changes could throw off the accuracy.
I'm not saying that a wood table saw fence is a bad idea, just that the main design focus of this particular fence is accuracy & precision, and I'm afraid wood lacks those properties.
hola muy buen video
solo quisiera saber el tamaño del angular y las dimenciones
tambien el tamaño del tubo y sus dimenciones
por ejemplo si el angular de 3"x3"? y en que grosor y el tubo de 2"x 2" ? en que grueso
o de que tamaño es
well done
Good job!
Thanks!
Felicidades muy bueno.!!!
все здорово, классно, но покажите замеры пожалуйста, прямой угол и замер бруска после распиловки!!!!
Extremely jealous of the lathe
What for have you been using the incremental positioning? Looks neat :)
Wow! This is exactly what I have been looking for. Would you consider making another to sell? If so, what would be your cost?
Thanks! I'm not really interested in making these to sell. I may try to sell plans sometime though.
Ok. Thank you anyway.
Great! Maybe make this product for sale. make it smooth, paint it and sale!
impressionante! parabéns!
VERY impressive work and I really like the idea!
Any problem finding a rod machined accurately enough over that distance? A lot of the normal threaded rod I've seen loses or gains as much as 1/64" over as little as 12"
Hey John! Thanks! I ordered the rod as kind of a gamble...when I got it I put my 4 foot aluminum ruler against it and checked it down the length. The threads lined up surprisingly well over 4 feet.
the other option is of course to use a real lead screw and nut like you would in a CNC machine. then add a stepper motor too :)
Good idea. But that would get kinda complicated... ;-)
Impressive build!
Thanks!
“...and that’s it...” humblest of humble brags ever. That’s it? That’s impressive. Nice work.
I had this same idea, but i don't have your tooling (or skills) (...or creative brilliance). I'd pay money to buy this product from Incra, but it doesn't exist. The Incra incremental fence system for a router table is amazing, but the implementation on a table saw leaves some things to be desired in my humble opinion.
I would like to echo all the positive comments you have had. Excellent design and execution. Great presentation and video skills too! Well done!
Excellent work, the best I've seen so far.
I do not speak English, sorry errors.
Success for you.
Eudes Oliveira Você aqui ? Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Awesome build...and you explained it all VERY clearly.
I love the design, great engineering! One of the better homemade fence designs I have seen.
Thank you Matt!
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What size square tube did you use and where did you get your threaded rod and nuts. I can find the rod but not nuts
Two HUGE Thumbs Up! Awesome. This is how all TH-cam Tutorials should be.
Thank you!! :)
My grandfather would love this!
best table saw fence video on "the youtube", nice.
Wish I had this kind of talent. Would love to have an accurate fence for my table saw.
Maybe he would build one for you. Of course for a fee.
Thanks Jer I completed my fence today.I used a 16 mm threaded rod with 2 mm pitch.My hand wheel has 8 detents which makes it very accurate
Thank you!! That is awesome! I would love to see it!
Very happy to see that skills in wood and machine trade are alive and healthy in the next generation. Nice job, Jeremy!
Живут люди без миллиметров, со своими дюймами , а такие красоты делают
This guy is a ginues. Well done. Thanks
Thank you!
+arman melkonyan mr golden hands :)
Borat Sagdiyev
What's a ginues? Some sort of wildlife?
Love your channel one smart dude
Here are some great woodworking plans if you're interested: woodentips.blogspot.com
Dude - for a young guy, you have some serious skills.
I had never seen another incremental fence using a threaded rod like that except the one I just made myself. I was shocked to see your design. I don't have the metal work skills you have so mine is all wood, but it's working great. Nice job.
Very Impressive work my Man. Great way to adjust repeatability
Any way to do this without having to buy welding equipment? I've never used a welder, but I love this fence upgrade design.
This fence Is for generations ... good Job 👍🏽
Спасибо за познавательное видео так счас делаю что то подобное. С МЕНЯ лайк.
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Damm, wonder boy! Awesome.
Умно!
Благодаря!
LePilkin62TV, так ведь и сам не хуже.
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Здравствуйте! из Техаса
Complex to do but great work.
Although it looks beautiful, and I'm sure it is absolutely accurate, it seems like this would take the average person $300+ and 300 hours to complete this project.
+JimTheSoundman
I don't consider myself that far from average!! It took me about $130 and 25-30 hours.
Brilliant!
Very nice design. Your design is the top contender for my DIY table saw. The only changes I would add would be a Wixey table saw DRO and using 8020 3030 extrusion as the guide.
Thanks. I considered using the 8020 extrusions, but the pictures I saw online looked like the surface was not perfectly flat. Probably just the pictures, but it was enough to make me change my mind.
AskWoodMan has a video on the accuracy of 8020 extrusion. It showed that unless a piece of extrusion has been abused it's well within a couple thousands of an inch for flatness over the typical length of a guide rail. It sold me on using the extrusion.
I was meaning across the width of it...it looked like it was made with a slight radius in the extrusion. But that is probably just the picture...
Ah, I think you are right. There is a slight scallop across the width on some of the 8020 to aid in mating pieces. AskWoodMan's
video also covered that. I seem to remember one 8020 series not having the scallop. I'll have to review the video again.
Jer's Woodshop If you start checking aluminum extrusions for accuracy, you will find that they are all over the place. Don't check, be happy.
U'r a genius. That's all.
I've seen a lot of videos on making fences, and this one is by-far the best. Thank you for sharing.
You should patent this, but if that is not possible... you should keep your other ideas to yourself until patent pending.
You have the ability to be "RICH". Good luck in your future.
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing. Keep nothing to yourself, share..
Here are some great woodworking plans if you're interested: woodentips.blogspot.com
My God, What a ton of work that was ! I have trouble finishing simple projects and wouldn't even consider this. You've got
real ingenuity and perseverance going for you. A masterpiece of a project.
Thank you.
Since I was making a video about it, I planned pretty much every step and then tacked the project and finished it in about 3 days or so.
LoL, consider what your time is worth.
+Oz DeaDMeaT That's funny right there... or for 5 dollars,...
Please add the Metric units (in brackets) to make EVEN MORE suitable for global use - Thanks more your worthwhile & useful videos!
YES
I ordered your plans mostly to help support you . I have MasterCam software but it want open skp files. Can you supply them in dxf files. That is a more generic file. And where can i find a skp file viewer?
Sorry, I don’t have a way to make a DXF. You can view the files with the free version of SketchUp, or with the SketchUp mobile viewer app, but you should be able to build it just from the PDF even if you aren’t able to view the CAD models.
I can't decide if your videos make me want to go out and build stuff, or never build anything again. Great job on all of them.
generational value industrial heavy well made the way things use to be ....awesome mate greets from australia
Genius is as genius does, light years ahead than most keep it up, it's funny how little we know that is out there to learn thanks for taking the time out to instruct those like me that are clueless on 99.9 points in your technical ability!
Genius is an infinite capacity for taking pains. Thomas Carlyle 1858 - and Jeremy certainly has it!
I have the same Craftsman P100 table saw... Its restored but has the original (crappy) fence. I should probably do this.
I don't know if you did this on purpose but by beefing up the fence as you did you also addressed the cantilever design flaws that plagues traditional Biesemeyer style fences... You would make a good structural engineer. You have a good eye.
This is excellent craftsmanship and a really neat design so thank you very much for showing it to us, I will attempt to make one for myself when I eventually get hold of a welder and learn how to use it.
Very Best Wishes to you and I will look forward to seeing some more of your fine projects.
+Gregor Kropotkin
Thanks!
141 bullshits dislike this kind of great craftsmanship...
I think you could put a finer detent adjustment knob thst does 1/1000 of an inch
I drew marks on the knob for every 0.005”, and I can eyeball 0.001” in between those.
That is an impressive amount of work, but that is an incredible fence. Great work!
Yes very good product
I just bought the plans and I'd like to share a couple of things with everyone. If you're on the fence about getting them, do it. They're more detailed than I expected and the Sketchup file is extremely helpful.
If you do decide to take the plunge, I would strongly suggest purchasing from your local recycling centers instead of shopping online. Shipping costs will eat your lunch, especially the larger parts. I found an 8 ft 3x3 section of angle iron and a 6 ft 3/4"-16 section of all thread for a whopping $10!!! Mild steel is 25 cents/lb. here in Houston, TX. I have some of the other parts from other projects. I normally avoid the big blue and orange box stores and got 85% of the hardware from Ace Hardware. I love their customer service. The salesperson happily found, tagged, and bagged my TS goodies and sent me on my way. Good luck all!!!
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