I fit that point of being able to do max intensity steady state cardio but still have trouble with things like sprinting or resistance/HIIT training. I also know after lots of concussion rehab that my only remaining issue is whiplash. Im almost better but still struggle with things that are very stimulating like IMAX movies or concerts, and I’m wondering if it’s possible that by practicing the sprinting/weights, I’ll be able to handle concerts and movies better as well. And I was also wondering if the brain fog and extreme fatigue I feel the day after these events could solely be because of my neck, which I know is injured
Was I exercising too much? I done 30 mins walking 4 times throughout the day felt fine but the next day I was lightheaded and dizzy when I got out of bed. am I only supposed to do 30 mins once a day??. I think I surpassed my threshold and I wasn’t doing steady state cardio. I would walk fast get my heart beat up then I would rest to get my heart beat low then do it again.
Whenever I exercise my symptoms get worse long term, I’m pretty sure it’s stacking. If I exercise on day 1, my symptoms will increase the typical way about 3 points (20 mins low level cardio), however over the next few days my brain and thoughts will feel overwhelming. Especially when I’m trying to sleep, it feels like I’m going crazy. What can I do to get better in this case? I’m just getting worse with exercise and unable to improve without exercise?! I miss feeling normal and being able to lift weights.
You're doing it wrong. If you exercise, your symptoms should not be increasing at all. You are supposed to challenge the threshold with a treadmill test to find out what your threshold is - which is your HR when the symptoms increase by 3. Once you figure out what this is, then for the next two weeks your exercise is supposed to be at 80-90% of that threshold (meaning below the HR at which you get symptoms). Then after a couple weeks, you get re-tested to see what your new threshold is and then exercise at 80-90% of that. If you are hitting your threshold every time you exercise it will give you the exact results you are reporting.
If someone is good with high heart rate from biking/rowing but gets symptoms from impact (running/jumping) this could indicate neck issues or something else? How to address these issues? Thanks very much
So if we have dysautonomia exercise isnt going to help? I feel so overstimulated doing even 2-3min walk and faint easily. Ive been to 4 different neurolgists and 2 pts and no one has helped me
Got a concussion on December 18th ... when I work out I only go all the way. After I feel a little nauseous and light headed. Is this bad ? Or is it common post concussion symptoms ?
Is it possible still have dysautonomia after passing the treadmill test? I can exercise near my max heart rate but still hit small 1 or 2 day flare ups after long workouts, movies, arcades, have issues with beer/very spicy foods etc. I'm also doing vision rehab (no more visual issues) and getting my neck treated (still have some whiplash issues). Also, how long should you be able to maintain max exertion steady state cardio before doing weight lifting?
No - if you have dysautonomia, you are essentially exercise intolerant. If you can exercise fully with no issue, then you can pretty much rule out dysautonomia. Concussion symptoms can be due to a bunch of different issues aside from autonomic (inflammation - issues with beer and spicy foods lead me here...neck issues, visual issues (workouts and movies/arcades lead me here), etc. etc. etc.
Are you saying there should be absolutely no symptoms after exercise? I thought moderate symptoms after finishing were okay. I'm having trouble understanding. Too much vs too little
I'm not a medical doctor but I can say this from experience and from what I've learned on the internet (Other concussion stories and TH-cam). Most concussion clinics seem to have a pretty much similar approach to how to treat PCS and a concussion, and they all say that aerobic exercise is very important to heal. Some that have used exercise to heal seem to do 30 min a day directly 5-7x a week. Others seem to build it up. I myself have worked out from home for a while and just used a build up gradually approach like Dr Cameron advocates for stimuli in general, where I do 20 minutes 4x and then 25 minutes 4x, then 30 minutes 4x and continue on like that. It worked without any problem from home. But now I feel like I have to dare working out from the gym instead and will have to build myself up again because the symptoms that get triggered from the stimuli in the gym hit me in the face again. Point is, even though I think and feel like most of the things Dr Cameron Marshall are logical and reasonable, I do not follow the buffalo threshold thing with exercise. Instead I use a timer, try to stick to moderate-intensity exercise mostly and build up gradually. According to some other clinics, experiencing symptoms at a moderate level is fine, it is when it's dramatic you should cut back and try again.
I need to know how to stop head pressure. I've had it off and on 4 years. For Christ's sake please tell me what causes the head pressure and how to make it stop.
im same..to the point I even get swelling in my face. I had a car accident 6 months ago and I have essential tremors with the pressure. Its debilitating. 😔
Amazing advice, so helpful. Thank you for what you do !!
I fit that point of being able to do max intensity steady state cardio but still have trouble with things like sprinting or resistance/HIIT training. I also know after lots of concussion rehab that my only remaining issue is whiplash. Im almost better but still struggle with things that are very stimulating like IMAX movies or concerts, and I’m wondering if it’s possible that by practicing the sprinting/weights, I’ll be able to handle concerts and movies better as well. And I was also wondering if the brain fog and extreme fatigue I feel the day after these events could solely be because of my neck, which I know is injured
Yes neck can be the cause of this!
Was I exercising too much? I done 30 mins walking 4 times throughout the day felt fine but the next day I was lightheaded and dizzy when I got out of bed. am I only supposed to do 30 mins once a day??. I think I surpassed my threshold and I wasn’t doing steady state cardio. I would walk fast get my heart beat up then I would rest to get my heart beat low then do it again.
Whenever I exercise my symptoms get worse long term, I’m pretty sure it’s stacking.
If I exercise on day 1, my symptoms will increase the typical way about 3 points (20 mins low level cardio), however over the next few days my brain and thoughts will feel overwhelming. Especially when I’m trying to sleep, it feels like I’m going crazy.
What can I do to get better in this case?
I’m just getting worse with exercise and unable to improve without exercise?!
I miss feeling normal and being able to lift weights.
You're doing it wrong. If you exercise, your symptoms should not be increasing at all. You are supposed to challenge the threshold with a treadmill test to find out what your threshold is - which is your HR when the symptoms increase by 3. Once you figure out what this is, then for the next two weeks your exercise is supposed to be at 80-90% of that threshold (meaning below the HR at which you get symptoms). Then after a couple weeks, you get re-tested to see what your new threshold is and then exercise at 80-90% of that. If you are hitting your threshold every time you exercise it will give you the exact results you are reporting.
If someone is good with high heart rate from biking/rowing but gets symptoms from impact (running/jumping) this could indicate neck issues or something else? How to address these issues? Thanks very much
Could be neck, could be vestibular, could be visual motion issues...
So if we have dysautonomia exercise isnt going to help? I feel so overstimulated doing even 2-3min walk and faint easily. Ive been to 4 different neurolgists and 2 pts and no one has helped me
Exercise is still very important for Dysautonomia - but the process is different and needs to start with supine/recumbent
Got a concussion on December 18th ... when I work out I only go all the way. After I feel a little nauseous and light headed. Is this bad ? Or is it common post concussion symptoms ?
Is it possible still have dysautonomia after passing the treadmill test? I can exercise near my max heart rate but still hit small 1 or 2 day flare ups after long workouts, movies, arcades, have issues with beer/very spicy foods etc. I'm also doing vision rehab (no more visual issues) and getting my neck treated (still have some whiplash issues).
Also, how long should you be able to maintain max exertion steady state cardio before doing weight lifting?
No - if you have dysautonomia, you are essentially exercise intolerant. If you can exercise fully with no issue, then you can pretty much rule out dysautonomia. Concussion symptoms can be due to a bunch of different issues aside from autonomic (inflammation - issues with beer and spicy foods lead me here...neck issues, visual issues (workouts and movies/arcades lead me here), etc. etc. etc.
what if the headaches are already at 8 at baseline ? the test protocol says it may worsen max 3 points
You're supposed to delay the test to another day if the starting score is above a 7
Are you saying there should be absolutely no symptoms after exercise? I thought moderate symptoms after finishing were okay. I'm having trouble understanding. Too much vs too little
I'm not a medical doctor but I can say this from experience and from what I've learned on the internet (Other concussion stories and TH-cam). Most concussion clinics seem to have a pretty much similar approach to how to treat PCS and a concussion, and they all say that aerobic exercise is very important to heal. Some that have used exercise to heal seem to do 30 min a day directly 5-7x a week. Others seem to build it up. I myself have worked out from home for a while and just used a build up gradually approach like Dr Cameron advocates for stimuli in general, where I do 20 minutes 4x and then 25 minutes 4x, then 30 minutes 4x and continue on like that. It worked without any problem from home. But now I feel like I have to dare working out from the gym instead and will have to build myself up again because the symptoms that get triggered from the stimuli in the gym hit me in the face again.
Point is, even though I think and feel like most of the things Dr Cameron Marshall are logical and reasonable, I do not follow the buffalo threshold thing with exercise. Instead I use a timer, try to stick to moderate-intensity exercise mostly and build up gradually. According to some other clinics, experiencing symptoms at a moderate level is fine, it is when it's dramatic you should cut back and try again.
I need to know how to stop head pressure. I've had it off and on 4 years. For Christ's sake please tell me what causes the head pressure and how to make it stop.
usually neck dysfunction...find a good chiro
Does having a nausea feeling after working out bad ? Or is it common post concussion symptoms after working out
im same..to the point I even get swelling in my face. I had a car accident 6 months ago and I have essential tremors with the pressure. Its debilitating. 😔
You confuse this so much just how much you need to workout? Lol