Arcane: Analysing a Masterpiece - Part 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Episodes 4-6 of Arcane continue to be excellent, further developing the fantastic characters and narratives that were set up in act 1.
But why is it so good, and what problems are present? Tune in to find out.
Characters
00:00 - Heimerdinger
26:22 - Jayce
47:11 - Viktor
1:01:10 - Caitlyn
1:17:13 - Cassandra
1:22:46 - Sevika
1:27:00 - Silco
1:45:49 - Jinx
2:15:59 - Marcus
2:29:57 - Mel
2:41:34 - Vi
Worldbuilding
3:04:28 - How has the World Changed?
3:14:02 - The Ethos
3:16:59 - The Hex Core
3:26:04 - Huck and Shimmer
3:31:24 - The Council of Piltover
Plot
3:33:55 - Caitlyn's Investigation
3:44:07 - Still Water Hold
3:55:15 - Jinx Weaponising Hextech
3:56:59 - Why Didn't Sevika Kill Vi
3:59:01 - Why Did Caitlyn Let Sevika Get Away
4:00:38 - The Water Tower
Storytelling
4:03:51 - General Storytelling
4:04:52 - You Expect Everyone To Give You What You Want
4:07:51 - Juxtaposition
4:11:08 - Multiple Misunderstandings
4:20:04 - Consequences
Wrapping Up
4:22:10 - Conclusion
4:23:44 - Outro
4:24:19 - Bonus Content
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You may have noticed, part 1 of this series is no longer on TH-cam. This is because Netflix, in their infinite wisdom, decided to nuke the video. I am in the process of resolving this, but it may take a couple of weeks.
As part 1 was not removed until shortly after it broke 100k views, I fully expect the same to happen with this video.
Stay tuned, it will be back soon.
This is quite sad. I was quite looking foward to watching the first part as I've only just discovered this channel and have only just finished watching your rings of power videos, which are probably the best breakdown videos I've ever seen on TH-cam about tv and film in general.
Hope everything is sorted out aoon.
Well I wanted to watch that later I didn't think I could miss it entirely
Please find a way ...
I was coming to ask. Thanks for the heads up
I was about to ask. I really enjoy every single one of your videos. I always like to watch your channel while cooking. I'd be grateful if you somehow managed to reupload part 1 and same this video. Also I can't wait for part 3 and hopefuly season 2.
"But when I engage maximum autism.." let's be honest, that's what we're all here for.
Another fantastic review sir!
"Maximum autism" indeed. Heimer is a so subtle manipulator that Random is forced at the end of his head canon about Stanwick to admit he is reading to much into this. That however doesn't dissuade him to pursue with his head canon in the next scene, stating in the same sentence that Heimer is awful at politics schemes but is really calculated with his manipulation of Jayce and Viktor until he is not anymore, and so on and on.
All of this leading to nothing more than what we are shown on the screen without whatever ulterior scheming motives Heimer could have.
For example, I am sure Heimerdinger is Leblanc in disguise when he is doing his super machiavelians speeches, while the real Heimer is in the opera all this time. Nothing explicitely says it's not the case, so I will state this at a fact, but maybe not because it's not 100% established but the show is too clever not to take my head canon into account so I will continue to elaborate on this basis.
I like shiting on media as much as the next guy, but sometimes a massive deep dive into why something is good is so refreshing
If only he wasn't so unbearably wrong.
@@AndrewFrancisIlyrian What's he wrong about?.
@@drakenfist Arcane being good when its in fact garbage, obviously
@@AndrewFrancisIlyrian and what makes it garbage?. Pray tell.
@@drakenfist One example: Jayce's actions in the finale are the epytome of bad writing. He makes a unilateral deal with a terrorist, without even consulting anyone else on the council. Then he accepts extremely unfavorable terms for the council which may soothe his conscience, but will destroy Piltover's economy. Then he presents this to the council in the most undiplomatic way, he insults them, demeans their positions and demands they aquisce to the deal which was already pointless due to Silco's refusal to surrender Jinx. And as soon as Mel votes yes to independence (a woman in a not so subtle romantic relationship with Jayce so y'know, biased), they all fold and vote yes on the peace treaty that would cost them and the city millions. These greedy businessmen, after being demeaned and insulted, agree to an economically catastrophic peace deal whose details they aren't privy to (Jayce never actually tells them about Silco's demand for the Hexgate), which was made without their knowledge by a petulant idealist and a murderous terrorist who hates them. That is as out of character as Forrest Gump killing people while drunk driving. It's bad writing done to make Jinx's massacre of the council more tragic because it made it the murder of peace treaty...which never would have happened anyway since Silco was dead a he wouldn't have agreed to Jinx's imprisonment.
Satisfied?
3:29:00
There are indeed different strains of Shimmer, it is confirmed in the show.
When Viktor goes to Singed and gets a vial he asks "is this Shimmer" and Singed replies "one variant", confirming that there are more than one.
As a writer this hurts me. I'm so proud when my story both has character motivation and does some world building and then Arcane is over here doing 8 different things simultaneously and I'm like HOW!? I'm going back to the rings of power videos, those made me feel better.
“The spirit is willing but THE FLESH IS WEAK” I see what you did there.
And spongy!
Once I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me.
@@niks3632I craved the strength and certainty of steel
Very surprised the arcane videos are getting less attention than the other series. While it is very entertaining to see you rip apart problems in terrible media in the way you do, I find that these are much better for (to vastly oversimplify) understanding what makes writing as good or as bad as it is. Pointing out flaws can be easy, understanding the reasons something is good is demonstrably more difficult. I feel that a lot of bad writing comes from misunderstanding what makes something like Arcane so good, leading to poor emulation. Videos like this are incredibly helpful to anyone looking to create. A lot of dismissal of criticism stems takes the form of saying "Well, this other thing did it and people loved it" and having absolutely no idea how night and day the two examples are.
I am more likely to rewatch the other series as "background noise" entertainment whereas this will be rewatched to take additional notes. Undeniably of higher value. So thank you. I hope the series is as fun for you to make as it is for us to consume.
This is the only series I've watched from RFT, because I'm a fan of the show. If I haven't watched a bad show/movie, I don't have much reason to look at videos ripping them apart. And even with ones I have seen, I prefer that the criticism be used as comparison points in good media (such as the Twilight or Rings of Power comparisons in this video), as it is more informative that way.
Yeah it's true negative entertainment gets more views. but this sort of thing would be good references for when he rips apart other shows. also no one can say "he only shits on other shows". He can point to this work and laugh. This is mostly for us true fans of RFT and some Arcane fans.
But people generally don't need to justify their love for something. So Arcane fans will need the interest of the deep intricate workings of how and why a show works.
While hatred NEEDS to be justified. Otherwise, it just becomes indifference.
I dont think Jayce offers Cait the job on his staff because he think she needs to be protected.
Its because he already knows she was fired as an enforcer due to her parents meddling.
Cait says "I already have a job"
Jayce says "No you dont" explains what her parents did and follows up with "This is the best I could do".
He tried to remedy what he knew would be devestating to her by keeping her in a similar career.
It also sounds like he is well aware that its not really the same thing.
Despite Jayce's good intentions, Cait also sees his offer as yet another instance of her being given something she hasn't earned, simply because she knows the right person.
@@KingKamor2 Yeah, that was my take away too. Doesn't she say something like: "I don't need your charity, _councilor._ Yours or my parents."
I absolutely agree with that interpretation.
These are not mutually exclusive. I always read Jayce's actions in this scene as BOTH. He's concerned for Cait's safety AND he's trying to pre-empt Cait being unemployed.
Because he also says "You almost died..." with concern in his voice. Yeah, Jayce wants to protect Cait. Nothing wrong with that either.
Excellent take on Sevika.
Soooo many times I hear people refere to her as disloyal when she is THE most loyal character in the entire show.
People are just to short sighted to realize _where_ her loyalties lies.
Not with any person but with the cause.
Shes consistend, resolute and never once waver in her loylaties.
Even when she do "betray" Vander and considers leaving Silco, shes up front about it, she tells them.
There is no betrayal.
The bad guys in this show is fakking top tier.
Exactly, for a side character she actually gets a lot of characterization. Not to mention that I can't help but feel that her and Vi would get along really well if the whole Vander thing didn't happen.
You people are so stupid.
That's how I saw it. She didn't backstab, she didn't betray anyone by her standards; Vander did. And when she challenged him, and he challenged her back, she got right up in his face despite being half his size, and then left. I fully understand Vi's characterization of her, but I seem to have liked her character a lot more than a lot of people. She could have been a cackling psycho henchman, and she isn't. And that whole advising Silco on giving Jinx some time was a brilliantly subtle bit of characterization.
Sky is, bar none, the most impressive "non-character" ive ever seen.
Ive never cared so much and felt so bad for a character thats not even a character.
She has what? Barely a minute of screen time total, yet it feels like she belonged and as if she had always been there.
Very impressive writing.
[[spoilers for the last 3 episodes]]
Same here. I think that I like Sky so much because her story was so simple, as well as similar to Viktor's own story. Like him, she grew up in the Undercity and was likely self-taught on many subjects. Like him, she used her intelligence to make it all the way to the Piltover Academy. Like him, she became assistant to one of the greatest scientists in the city. It's only ever implied, but she very likely did all of this for the sole purpose of getting close to Viktor, but he had no time left to be distracted. She only ever saw his admirable human qualities, but he met her advances as a cold machine. Her death is so tragic because she had no idea what was happening, because Viktor was so hyper-focused on his research that he didn't even tell his assistant what he was up to or how the Hex Core worked, and she only ever tried to help.
RIP, Sky best girl.
I thought she changed her name to Ash?
Tasteless joke… I couldn’t resist.
@@brentpnw9091quite a hearty chuckle from me 😂
@@brentpnw9091 sky made sure that no matter what happens with jinx, there will always be powder
taste is for the weak
Re: Cassandra allowing Caitlyn to train with weapons. I consider this as a "high class" pastime, akin to fox-hunting or similarly "posh" activities. IIRC, Caitlyn even poses with guns in family pictures, and we know that Cassandra herself knows her way around a firearm. I find it likely that it is simply family tradition to know your way around a gun and is taught from a young age. As for the competition, Caitlyn was young and competitive: it would make sense that she would wish to be in a shooting competition to measure herself against others.
I agree. It seems more akin to upper class British gun club culture than American 2nd amendment gun culture. The rich have time and resources for sporting. The poor can’t be trusted with weapons.
When I initially watched Arcane, completely unfamiliar with the game(still am), I thought the exact same thing. Hunting, Horseback Riding, Hosting Costumed Orgies and whatever other things rich people do.
I think there's also some very minor character building for Cassandra in the flashback. We see Caitlyn's dad talking with other people, laughing and holding a gun. Then it cuts to Cassandra cringing slightly but trying to laugh along with what's being said. Then in Act 3 we see that Cassandra comes in with a gun when she thinks that someone has broken into their home. Possibly, she herself enjoys shooting beyond the pure aesthetic or high class passtime.
Do we know what business their family is in? Could be that firearms are a big deal for them beyond being a hobby.
@@CrustlessKing bedroom toy manufacturers
talking about hiemer not thinking about his own mortality while you face check a bush at half health is a really good joke
Heimerdinger isnt thinking about his mortality cuz he doesnt have mortality.
Yordles are immortal.
If they "die" the respawn back in Bandle City.
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Unless they changed the lore again ofc 🤔
@@F1rstWorldNomaD In that case, I don't think Heimerdinger can _ever_ be in the position to truly judge the feelings someone has regarding their own mortality, let alone try and give "wisdom" to them about it.
If he wants to be able to connect with his students and peers, he has to learn to view life from their perspective. With that in mind, it makes sense that he'd eventually be led to the Firelights, since he'll realize that people don't just care about survival, but also want to live happy and fulfilling lives (hence why the council would be willing to "losen their morals in favor of comfort and prestige," and why Victor wants to make something meaningful to leave behind before he dies). Once he's able to recognize that, he'll be of better service to his city and his friends.
@@F1rstWorldNomaD Pretty sure yordles' immortality is kinda the whole point of Vex's character so it'd be a weird thing to retcon, but hey, at this point you can't put retconning anything past Riot
@@F1rstWorldNomaDI think they might've changed Yordle lore in arcane, because we see how old the pimp yordle is, and I don't think they age in league lore right? Unless she's mixed race or something, maybe they made yordles live for so long that they might as well be immortal but they do age or something idk.
It's wild that I would rather watch a 4 hour analysis of a show I've already watched than anything new.
Glad to see your work lad
RFT’s analysis videos are always fascinating. I often find he picks up on/explains elements I’d missed on first watch. Although at this point he might have to steal the Longman crown from Mauler 🤣
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I appreciate the character breakdowns and tracking the plot threads from start to finish in particular. A show like Arcane that does great character work shines under careful/thoughtful scrutinization. A show like RoP falls apart under even minor attention.
His analysis and emphasis on why some character moments are so powerful resonate emotionally every bit as watching the show itself.
Sir! You're achieving unprecedented levels of LONG and I am here for it!
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"The Incredible Huck" was the best part of this video
Sneaking in "whoredle" was a close second for me.
I disagree on Jayce not blaming Mel. I think it's consistent with him always blaming himself for everything. He seems to take full responsibility for whatever he does no matter if he was manipulated into it or not. It is also a part of him being perceived as quite arrogant.
I also think that Jayce hasn't engaged with the politicing side for all that long, Mel has been supporting Jayce for the past 7 years with hextech, and he only was appointed to the council for the last like week. Missing Viktor's deteriorating condition due to politics is just wrong.
I think I'd call him idealistic more than anything. It's fascinating watching his ideals being challenged throughout the show by the cynical world of politics. He also recognizes his "shitty role to play" at the end while also still trying to do good. Jayce is a great character. Well, everyone is in this show tbh but I don't think he's talked about enough.
I don't understand why you don't have more subs, seriously impressive video. Keep up the great work I love the long form content!
I think what Heimerdinger was saying when he said he had seen a seed destroy entire civilizations before was more along the lines of "I've seen civilizations make technological breakthroughs of such a substantial and dangerous level that it destroyed them". I never took it as he saw that exact thing. He's talking about SEEDs of destruction, of corrupting power. In my opinion.
That, or he recognized the "magical effect" produced by the Hex Core as something dangerous, even if the Hex Core itself was new to him.
Its unlikely that anyone used technology to create magic before.
Heimerdinger is talking about mages destroying civilizations using magic that at its core is similar to whatever Jayce and Viktor are doing.
If they continue using the established lore he is talking specifically about the rune wars that quite literally destroyed a civilization with essentially a magic nuke, you can still see the crater on the Runeterra map.
@@soeintyp9393 I thought he was talking about the configuration of the runic symbols, or how they moved around or something, basically that it was similar to the way runes move around a very powerful mage and that he recognizes that this has enough power to potentially destroy the city.
He keeps seeing flashbacks to the rune wars, which involved the world runes. I assumed the hexcore reminded him of a world rune, which has the power to reshape the land, or destroy it, and was also very sought after for the power they provided, as well as their capability as a mass weapon
I read Silco giving Marcus the money as a direct reference to what Marcus did, and was paid for, back before the timeskip. Reminding him that Silco knows about the blood on his hands, and that there will be no backing out now.
I can totally see this being the case. Silco uses a LOT of subtle psychological warfare when it comes to Marcus, and he deliberately stokes his feelings of guilt & shame to make him fall in line.
The money is just yet another case of Silco taunting Marcus, and reminding him why he's in this position.
About Silcos part:
I feel like it is important to note that silco is desperately trying to keep his cool.
The animators took the care in showing that, not only there is a point where silcos composure breaks, but that he is first attempting to use his usual coping mechanisms and only lose it after he cant come up with a response to the worst case scenario.
The scene between Marcus and Silco is a masterpiece in showing powerplay. Marcus is always shown with the camera looking down, while with Silco its looking up, even if when you see them both, they're at the same level. Even when Marcus tries to rise when berating Silco to show his power he's put in place by one of Silco's goons. Their body language is telling. Silco leans back comfortably, not moving a muscle unless he needs to, lounging in the large sofa, while Marcus is uncomfortable on a small stool. Like a child needing a sharp talk to. Then there's the small signs of Marcus discomfort. His legs twitch from time to time, to show his inner turmoil and unease about the discussion. When he talks he's jittery, not fully in control of either emotions or body, while Silco is the exact opposite.
This is how you show Powerplay with a camera!
1:59:53 Hahaha yes, I was waiting for your comparison of Thorin and Jinx and how their mental illnesses were handled. The Arcane writers did such a good job of making Jinx so incredibly unhinged while also getting the audience to completely understand and sympathize with her point of view.
I like the way her mental illness wasn't portrayed as quirky or uwu or whatever. it genuinely messes up her life and gets in the way of her ability to make and keep bonds with people. feels like so much media portrays mental illness as a personality trait while everyone is still drawn to this person and wants to hang out with them all the time bc they're a Main Character
I'm pretty bumpned you haven't touched on Jinx's line "Are you real?"when the sisters reunite at the end of ep 6
He does acknowledge it at 2:15:11 , just in a more general sense. Because if not for the cut on her leg, Jinx probably WOULD have questioned if Vi was truly there, or if her desire to see her in that moment caused her to hallucinate their whole reunion.
@DLxxx Agreed, but the line says a lot in that moment too, that she enviosioned that moment so many times, that she wanted to many times to be reunited with Vi
@@absoluteirony9461 True! I hadn't considered that.
If Jinx has been hallucinating that kind of reunion so many times that she needs Vi to tell her, then that confirms that she really was aching to see her sister again. The flare wasn't just a simple momento of Vi, it was symbolic of her desire to reach out to her and make peace.
Its a really cool detail, because it means Jinx understood that she has just as much of a responsibility to mend their relationship as Vi does (even if she ultimately can't bring herself to meet her halfway).
@DLxxx The flare is the pinacle of that want. With all that she knows by now, she puts all the trust in that flare, the trust that Vi is really out there and that Vi wants to meet her as well. She trusts that she forgave her for that night, that is not mad anymore. She shows to her and to the entire world that she wants Vi back. And this is why she is so mad at the end of it. The dissapointed in her eyes, dissapointed directed at her is immense, she's mad at herself that she belived even for a little bit that Vi "forgave" her for that night, she's mad that she lost focus with this stupid wants and refocuses when she looks at the stone.
From the moment she opens the flare till the end of the ep is the best of Arcane.
Once again, thanks for not being a “hate bait” reviewer.
It’s so refreshing to see someone praise something instead of looking for ways to tear it down
The most logical way how VI would know about Silco but not about Jinx is that your idea of mainly Piltover citizens being in Stillwater is right, and they get Piltover Newspapers to still follow the news of the world. These would describe Silco as an ‘industrialist’, which Vi wouldn’t for a second believe, but mentions of Jinx would most likely be reduced to ‘mad bomber does so and so’.
Another thing: Marcus has an express interest in not letting Silco find out about Vi and as sheriff he has influence over the jail to the point where he can throw someone in jail without any record of her being sentenced. As such, it is entirely possible that she is mostly separated from any of Silco's men that do get locked up for whatever reason or even any undercity prisoners at all which would result in her getting info only secondhand which, in turn, would result in her information being incomplete and unreliable.
Additionally, the set-up is remarkably forgiving. She could have heard directly from one of Silco's men about "Silco's right-hand woman, the ingenious but crazy psycopathic blue-haired teenage bomber" and reasonably not connect it to being Powder. She's looking for a shy, clumsy, blue-haired girl that was kidnapped by Silco. Very different. Yes, she could connect these but as RFT said she wouldn't want to. She has no reason to believe that Powder would turn out like that. As for hearing about Silco, it is even easier. He seemingly has near complete control of the criminal organizations of the undercity and he seems to be a somewhat famous businessman from the straight and narrow side. Hearing just about anything about the drug epidemic could tip her off as well as any quite discussions amongst inmates. Inmates not on Silco's payroll will probably avoid getting on the bad side of Silco's men and spread word to each other especially if any of the inmates know that he has connections in the enforcers.
Unlike every other character, Jinx's motivations seem mostly negative. Like you said, "what she wants" is left vague, and most of her actions are instead motivated by avoiding her fears and trauma. She doesn't like memories of Vi. She has trust issues and needs to know what is being hidden from her. She absolutely hates when people lie to her. Even her desire to be seen as a competent adult shows most obviously when she's afraid that she _isn't_ going to be perceived that way.
2:25:32 I strongly agree with this sentiment. Which made me all the more shocked when I went online and figured out he was by far the most hated character in the series. Like in every fan poll to reaction content I've engaged with Marcus is seen as the worst scum of the show, even when directly compared to druglord kingpins and Imperialistic warmongers. I get it's understandable, I mean he has next to no redeeming qualities to speak for, but it always seemed strange how a show based off of grey morally conflicted characters and how we can end up empathizing with them had a notable exception in the form of Marcus.
My crackpot theory is that he is too relatable, that he embodies the deepest aspects that we as a general audience despise in ourselves. We always believe that if we were born into the world of arcane we might be like Vi, someone abused by an uncaring system but still valiantly does the heroic thing of trying to save her little sister all the while being a badass who could beat the shit out of any bad guy. In reality, I think 99% of us would end up like Marcus. Someone who thought they were doing the "right thing" and ended up failing miserably at it, and is now stuck between doing what's right and doing what will actually keep the people we love safe.
Maybe this theory is just a baseless projection on how I feel about myself. Maybe people just really dislike him because he's a coward(even tho you say he isn't) and hurts our much more likable main protagonists and antagonists in pretty equal measures. I don't know
I like your theory, and from the little I've learned of human psychology it seems to fit. I've heard the example used by Jordan Peterson in regards to the amount of people who claim; "I'd never side with the Nazis if I was in Germany, I would've voted against them and helped saving Jews during the war."
Long story short; that's just false. Most would do exactly what most Germans did back then, for various reasons. Heroism is rare, that's why it's praised.
Pride, cowardice and fear are common, which I think is because they're tightly connected to self preservation . And when mixed in with the kind of crap Marcus had to juggle with in Arcane - Few would likely done it differently. I doubt I'd had the strength to do better than he did if put into his shoes, especially at the point he was at in Act 2 & 3.
I agree with you and RFT that Marcus is deeper than most people give him credit for, but the supposed "good intentions" attributed to him in this video are quite a reach. In S1, Marcus is willing to hunt and attempt to kill children, and he regularly assaults and insults random people in Zaun. He is drunk with power, and he believes himself to be better than the people of Zaun. He shows absolutely no sympathy towards them, even though many of them are just people born into poverty doing the best they can.
In part 2, he does seem better composed, but he again has no problem with crimes happening to people in Zaun every day. He doesn't become angry at Silco until those crimes reach Piltover. And while his grief for the deaths of the enforcers is genuine, he never shows that his view of Zaunites has changed at all.
Marcus is an amazing character, and in many ways just a regular person, like you stated. But he is absolutely not a good person, and regularly shows that even if he could be free of Silco, he would be a monster in his own right. He is lawful, but he isn't good.
Remember that Marcus most likely was born and raised in Piltover. Not from a great or even minor House but by sheer determination he rose through the ranks of the Enforcers to become Grayson's second in command, who saw potential in him. But his upbringing in Piltover probably colored his perception of the people of The Lanes.
Piltover people generally seems to look down their noses on people from Zaun, usually while holding their breath. They're good as factory workers and miners with very little rights and living the in the chemicals that's a byproduct by those. But take one step over the bridge without a legitimate errand and your shiney hiney belongs to the Enforcers, little Zaunite scum. As we see in ep. 1 The Lanes are a very much a rather seedy, dark place where crime is prevalent and a lot of the richer from Piltover goes to get their "gemstones" tickled.
What also to consider is that it wasn't that long ago a mob of angry Zaunites try to storm Piltover, only being able to stop them at the bridge. This would probably not give the Piltovers any higher toughts of Zaunites in general.
The lower classes in Piltover probably saw themselves as the lowest in Piltover, but miles above "that riff-raff" that was cursed to survive in The Lanes. Seeing their lords and ladies attitude towards the Zaunites, many probably adapted that view themselves, but more into the blood and bone. So when his daughter is born he wants to keep her safe from the dangerous riff-raff of Zaun. Hence his attitude.
Towards Piltover he saw a place he needed to protect, even if it meant to close sleazy deals with Silco, a dreaded Zaunite of the worst sort (according to Marcus).
Like to be quite honest, I hate Marcus the most just because it was him who stopped Vi from going back for Powder. That scene in episode 3 is still I think THE most heartbreaking scene I've seen in media ever, and even if I logically understand most of the wider motivations and characteristics of Marcus I'll always despise him for that 1 moment. If he hadn't been there, Powder never would've become Jinx, things would've gone COMPLETELY differently if Vi had just been able to go back that night.
I just finished your Final Autopsy on The Hobbit, saw a link to Arcane pt 2 at the end, and immediately clicked thinking I’d missed its upload. Excited to continue with this series.
When I saw it was 4 and a half hours I thought you would do the second and third act and the final breakdown in one. But nope, it’s just part 2 lmao. Amazing dedication
Excellent analysis.
If I can make just one (really minor) complaint.
In future videos, could you add maybe like 1 second screens with a character name when you are switching between analyzing them? I always find myself confused for a sec when you finish the last sentence about current character analysis and immediatelly start the next about another character.
I love your videos, will be still watching them anyway, just a little bit of constructive criticism :D
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@@TheReaper569 Yes, but adding 45 seconds of total time to a video this long won't hurt it, and it reduces the need to keep my finger hovering on the screen to pause between "chapters" (as I dislike watching something this long in one go).
@@TheWickedWizardOfOz1 use the underbar in video informstion. İt s an easier scroll
@@TheReaper569 That doesn't change the core (and easy to fix) complaint of not having chapter breaks in the video so that we don't have to keep checking timestamps.
2:44:20 - 2:44:42 very interesting take on Vi and Caitlyn's first meeting. I've never heard anyone bring that point up before . Im surprised Ive never picked up on it on any of my rewatches
The reason no one mentions it is because its blindingly obvious to everyone (except you, obviously) that a police officer would release a violent convict because they need information. It is also clear to everyone (again, except you) that Violet hasn't been outside in some time and had no intention of actually helping the Enforcers, whom she hates
@@AndrewFrancisIlyrian ok, no need to be so mean? also i think what they were reffering to was the ”you have to make them think you have what they want” part which i also missed
@@Juppelijuu what HE was refering to is the entire course of their relationship. Its not some brilliant catch, its obvious to everyone
@@Juppelijuuthis guy's been a major dipshit all over the comment section, it's best to just ignore it
@@Juppelijuuyes, thank you!
What I didn't notice was how Vi accidentally admitted that she manipulated Caitlyn into letting her out of prison when she said "you have to let them think you have what they want"
Obviously I've seen the scenes before and heard the dialogue, just never thought that Vi outed herself to Cait just then.👍 at least someone understood what I meant
38:05 Correction: Mel *polished* Jayce's gemstones
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Please, please, please have a joke in your act 3 review where Caitlyn uses a minecraft enchantment table to put blast protection on all her clothing
YES! This is the only correct way to describe her plot armor, lol.
It's genuinely baffling that she somehow survived a point blank explosion, while the two enforcers BEHIND her died instantly. Marcus gets his arm blown off, and Caitlyn just had shrapnel in her leg? It's insane, lol.
@@DLxxx exactly at least Ekko had option to jump of the bridge and brake his leg but Cupke's fine whe she tanked the thing
It’s super fucking cool hearing people talk thoroughly and insightfully about something they like for a change, even cooler when the subject is worthy of the praise, and even COOLER when it’s over 4 hours long, so…this a win-win-win for me. Thank you for your analysis and hark work here 💫
I have a small disagreement with your analysis at 38:50 when you say that you expected Jayce to be angry at Mel. I saw it more as it characterizing Jayce as the type of person that blames himself when things go wrong. I know of people that tend to blame themselves even when things go wrong even when it is someone else's fault. I think Jayce is that sort of person. If that is the case then you will want to look for any time that Jayce reflectively blames others for things going wrong. But I cannot think of any such situation in the show. For instance, when Jayce's place blows up in act 1, he does not blame the enforcers for not stopping the criminals; instead he blames the fact that he must not have been careful enough.
I agree. He takes the blame on himself when he knows he had the ability to act but didn't. It even extends to how he views (high-man-dinger???) His mentor when he realizes he was in a position do do things and didn't. He is a scientist, Mel is a politician. She wouldn't value the same things as he does because they are fundamentally different. Therefore he doesn't hold that against her.
Additionally, he is a fairly trusting person, and along with that, he has fallen in love with Mel. That alone will skew his perceptions regarding her. I love their relationships. I was expecting to hate Mel, but like everyone, she is so relatable and characterized so well.
100% this. Jayce's only moment of accusation against someone else was when he blindsided Heimerdinger at the Tribal Council. And that has different circumstances surrounding it.
@@TheWickedWizardOfOz1 True. Like the video author said, there's no reason to think Jayce believed Heimerdinger, of all people, was deliberately disregarding the undercity and the increasingly dangerous crime there. He only accused him of being ignorant and not having a plan in order to sway the council against him (ultimately, with the goal of saving Victor). It was a means to an end, which makes it stand out as a unique example.
That said, I *still* think Jayce calling out Mel for her unintentional role in Victor's current state would've been acceptable (Victor is Jayce's surrogate brother figure, so it'd make sense for him to lash out after he wasn't able to be there for him in his hour of need), but I also understand how certain aspects of his characterization can be used to explain why he didn't in that moment. He desperately needed a shoulder to lean on, and even if part of him resented what Mel did, he still loved her.
Thank you so much for making these videos on Arcane! First of all, your analysis brought the series to my attention in the first place as it had entirely flown under my radar and after seeing part 1 of your breakdown and analysis, I had to investigate. Soon I had binged the entire 1st season and had to agree with you. It is a joy to see a rare modern series that is written and created with so much care for the plot, characters and themes. Everything feels so lovingly constructed in this story, with multilayered, relatable characters, highly well-written and economic scripts, intriguing stories and world and with such a beautiful and striking visual style in the animation and strong visual storytelling. It is mindboggling that this is based on a free-to-play online game but I guess inspiration sometimes comes from unexpected sources when you have passion for something.
After watching the show your analyses have made me appreciate this series even more! Can't wait for part 3!
It is EXTREMELY badly written.
3:24:36 On the subject of mages creating a device to cast magic for them, I could see it being done as a sort of labor saving tool. Or something to allow a certain amount of automation to casting by providing the control for the easier, but monotonous parts of a spell while the mage focuses on the more complex parts.
"We never actually get the see the Incredible Huck" line broke me. Great video
You are quickly becoming my favorite youtuber. Your dedication to staying factual is admirable. Gronk being your avatar just makes everything better! Please do Emporors new groove at Some point!
My absolute favourite thing about Arcane is the animation. How you can read every emotion, every thought, every subtle change in the face is just amazing. Everything else is also masterfully done, but this made it from an excellent show to a near perfekt one. (Near perfect, because perfection is the death of art.)
1:58:21 Random, your little foray into the meaning behind Jinx's cloud tattoos is EXACTLY why I love longform analysis. As you say, if you do it properly for a fundamentally bad piece of work, they tend to get worse and worse the harder you look.
But with Arcane, it only gets better and better. I never even got around to pondering why Jinx's tat's were what they were. Just assumed they were part of her OG design, and that was that. But you make a really good case as to why they might be deeper than that. You show that the rabbit hole just keeps on going.
Your breakdown of Marcus deserves serious props. That character gets a lot of shit, and I feel like I now have even more ammunition to defend my boy Marcus. He's a great fucking character, and you really hit the nail on the head as to why here.
And your breakdown of Vi's and Cait's perspectives during their conversation in the Shimmer pit or whatever was wonderful. Because it takes a great amount of skill and intentionality to produce a conversation like that and have it come through in the art direction AND the voice direction.
It's that sweet tism that annihilates terrible things and honors the great. Terrific video man.
Regarding Still Water Hold. This might be a bit of a stretch on my part, but one could assume that the prison has different blocks to keep various social groups of prisoners separated from each other to avoid problems if those groups have pronounced animosity between them. Maybe Undercity folks are kept separately from Piltoverites (or how one would call Piltover citizens?).
Marcus has both the power and incentive to keep Vi away from imprisoned Silco's goons (or anyone from Undercity, for that matter) so no one would learn that she's alive. And given that Silco's criminal empire isn't confined to the Undercity, but also seeps into the Piltover and corrupts its citizens, there would be opportunities for Vi to gain limited information about Silco's machinations, even if she is separated from convicts from Undercity.
In-game, a person from Piltover is called a Piltovan.
2:42:26 I wish more people highlighted this aspect of Vi's character! (Warning, excessively long analysis below, lol).
It's not that she "regressed" and simply forgot the lessons Vander taught her. Rather, it's that from her perspective, Vander's wisdom just isn't *enough.* Vi is punished repeatedly for attempting to do the right thing: Her decision to turn herself in led to Vander getting kidnapped. She tried to be responsible and tell Powder to stay behind, and that caused her to accidentally kill Milo and Claggor. Meanwhile, her fists are what hurt Powder, yes, but they were ALSO what nearly allowed them to escape from Silco's clutches. And after enduring years of violent abuse in prison, of course Vi is going to double down and go back to punching her way out of her problems. Like you said, _it's all she has left._
But then Act 2 does something interesting: it doesn't reward Vi for using her fists OR doing the right thing. Vi's first strategy after returning to the Undercity was to go straight to the source of her problems and attack it head on (in this case, giving Sevika a flying knee to the face, lol). Violence was her best chance before, but this time even THAT path ends up punishing her. She almost gets herself killed, and the only reason she's saved is because of the comradery she has with Caitlyn. So she backpeddles, and uses her head to topple the water tower instead of resorting straight to her fist.
And after the sudden confrontation with the Firelights, she agrees with Caitlyn's method of using diplomacy in order to stop the cycle of violence, even though she could have just as easily sided with Ekko about using the Hextech Gemstone to make weapons. And ONCE AGAIN she's punished when Marcus nearly kills Caitlyn, and when Jinx seemingly kills Ekko (or at least I have to assume that's what Vi thinks, since she never goes back to the Firelights after this).
So now, Vi no longer believes that Caitlyn's idealistic ideas of "stopping the cycle" are going to work. How can she? Silco has taken too much from her and has too much control over things for Vi to even consider negotiating with him at this point (especially when her sister is still seemingly under his influence). All she wants now is go on the attack against Silco. She goes to the council specifically hoping they'll take action against him (even going as far as to deliberately bait Jayce by telling him "Jinx" has the gemstone), and is infuriated that they're _still_ willing to talk things out with him in spite of this. This reinforces to her that diplomacy _won't_ help Vi reach her goals. The council denied her pleas for action, and even Jayce leaves her to fight on her own.
At this point, Vi has lost everything all over again. She's pushed away Caitlyn in order to keep her safe. She (presumably) thinks Ekko is dead. And the last time she saw her sister, she nearly killed her. She's alone, and just like in prison, all she has left is violence. No matter what she does, it ALWAYS seems to come back to violence. And _that's_ the tragedy of her character.
Vi goes straight to Last Drop in order to kill Silco with her own two hands, or at the very least, take Sevika out of commission. She doesn't care if the plan itself is stupid. She doesn't care if she gets beaten to a pulp and maybe even dies in the process. All she can think to do now is get retribution for all the suffering she's endured in her life. That raw *scream* when she throws the pool table makes it clear her rematch with Sevika was just as much about _catharsis_ as it was her trying to achieve her goal. But of course.. this fails. Vi still "hasn't learned patience," and she still "blocks with her face." If violence IS the answer to her problems, like her life seemed to be telling her, then she's not going to get anywhere by just attacking head on like this. After Sevika once again takes advantage of Vi's rage to momentarily incapacitate her, she finally, FINALLY learns to stop blindly going on the attack, and is able to reach some form of compromise with Vander. She'll continue to fight, but now she understands that in order to move forward, she has to know when to take a step back and *defend* what she has left. The same way Vander once retreated to protect the lanes when it became clear their foe was just too insurmountable for violence alone to stop.
Though, even with that growth (and her victory over Sevika), she's still ultimately left alone. She STILL hasn't been able to change anything yet, and that's where I think her final soul scream comes from.
There's some other cool details in her final fight with Sevika that are worth taking note of too:
When Vi takes a short breather, she starts losing touch with reality in a similar way to how Jinx did while talking to Silco in episode 4. Illustrating how Vi's life has pushed her to the brink, yet in the end, she still doesn't lose her heart.
This one is a little disconnected from the rest of the analysis, but Sevika tells everyone to leave both because she doesn't need them getting in her way, but also in order to avoid any unnecessary casualties in the wake of Vi's rage (we even see her affectionately[?] pat one of the patrons as she sizes Vi up, implying some level of concern for them).
Been waiting for this one, loved arcane and im super hyped for season 2
How does this only have 12k views?! It's only been a day but still.
While I do think you are correct on Heimerdinger's tendency to manipulate I honestly don't think he's doing it with a smile just for show or to lower the impact. I would guess that he honestly thinks that he's doing the right thing which is precisely why he does it with a smile. Given his much longer lifespan he thinks he knows better, because he has already seen the consequences once and that had others lived long enough to say it they would thank him for dissuading them. He is trying to do good for both Victor and Jace, the issue of his people skills however always back up.
He kind of takes on the role of a parent trying to lovingly manipulate a child into not being naughty.
A good analogy I think would be this: Stealing candy from the store is in a child's immediate best interest (because candy is yummy) but it has further consequences down line including the possibility of being caught, punished, embarrassed, being forced to pay for it, and the general downside that stealing hurts the business and thus reduces the amount of candy for everyone by more than one piece. However, the child isn't going to understand all this completely so the parent tries to make them apologize to the store owner to make them feel bad for doing it.
@@BobMcBobJr If your parents witnessed you as a child stealing candy and were thinking about the eventual punishment and economic repercussions without even thinking about moral, I am afraid they are psychopaths, and that indeed would explain why you see a straightforward teaching principle without hidden motives as manipulation.
Stealing is not bad first and foremost because whatever consequences it could have down the line, stealing, like all bad things, is bad because you don't want it to be applied to yourself. That's why it's something children understand way before the shame coming from having to apologize.
And Heimerdinger's tendancy to manipulate is inexistant. He tries to have someone lie by ommission once. In every other instance, he is blunt and honest about his intentions and opinions.And that's what leads him to be kicked out without mercy.
"This video is very long" is an understatement. You bet I'll watch all of it! (maybe over a few days though...)
arcane creators watching this video: damn we are good
a 4 hour Arcane video?
I'm sat.
this got me to be more grateful to the show
there was a lot of stuff i missed in my 1st and only watch of the show
thank you for noticing what i missed
I just found your channel, and I'm honestly surprised you aren't so much bigger with how well made and narrated the videos are made. I have just been watching this video on loop. and with how much more popular long form videos as well as reviews have been. I would of think you be in the millions
Enjoying the coverage of a fantastic series. Hope season 2 can live up to the first.
As a huge fan of the series, your analysis is perfect. Can’t wait for part 3👍
"Zack Snyder school of character writing." I CACKLED 🤣
I really hope the Arcane videos do well. They are really interesting, and good storytelling deserves more attention
you deserve more audience man, it's really sad that 4 hour scene by scene video essays aren't that popular
This one was so worth the wait! Stellar work!
I'm sure it'll be a while until we get Part 3, given the insane amount of work I imagine goes into such a long video - But man, I am just stoked there is another one coming! Keep up the fantastic work! :D
The "whordle who runs the brothel"? Riot defifntely should make this word canon!
Silco and Victor are among my best characters ever, they're simply so well executed and intriguing
This is top tier content and i watched it in full.
İ mostly like it when a bad show gets shit on and rarely do like a positive review. This however.. goes above and beyond. Excellent content. Good job.
It's fucking wild how good this is. I genuinely appreaciate you and your work a ton. After I watched your breakdown of act 1 I binged the whole series. :D Also, doing a "positive review" is something I had kinda hoped youd do on this channell as well, after I had watched your other stuff. So this is cool. I'd love LOTR one as well.
You actually do see Huk one more time as Silco is handing out shimmer to the addicts at the base of the Neon Eye where Vi is recovering. He sheepishly takes a vial from Silco, presumably as payment for informing of Vi’s location, and slinks off without immediately consuming the shimmer like the others. His betrayal was honestly heartbreaking and also informs the audience of the true addictive nature of Shimmer. Even a good, weak man like Huk betrays the daughter of Vander, who he clearly respects, to get one more taste.
After that, you’re correct. He is never seen again and I’m certain his story doesn’t have a happy ending.
This detail and show in general affected me like few other entertainment experiences in years. I’m happy to add one further detail to the mix. 🤓
I appreciate and deeply respect the commitment to evaluating all of these different parts and characters through information conveyed to us only through the episodes up to this point. However, as you have said in detail before, prior knowledge of the game and lore can have a big impact on a viewer's experience.
Cases in point: my anxiety at seeing ravens with higher-than-average curiosity in close proximity to important characters, and my dread at the very viable possibility that Jinx ISN'T hallucinating, but conversing with someone that has taken notice of her that is USING the concept of hallucinations as cover.
Love your analyses and the way you present your thoughts. It's clearly visible how much heart and work you've put into this! Cannot wait for the next (last?) part! :D
Love your videos. Cant wait for the next part of this series.
I like your videos mostly because of how deep you're willing to dig into the story to find explanations, foreshadowings etc. I didn't really notice that in the "not very good" series because you couldn't find anything in those stories, but here it's evident. Not many other channels do that but in the case of arcane in particular there is the channel " schnee " that I feel like you'll really enjoy
Great follow up to part one. Appreciate the all the effort you put into these videos 😃
Looking forward to part 3!
Two examples of plot armor that I think absolutely NEED to be addressed is:
*1)* Caitlyn surving Jinx's bombing on progress day, and *2)* Silco's goons surviving Powder's monkey bomb.
To be clear, there were six enforcers who were on duty during progress day, one of which was Caitlyn. Jinx started a fire inside a building, and lured exactly THREE enforcers inside. Caitlyn, meanwhile, rushed to put out a second fire with two other enforcers, and as she does, discovers Jinx's calling card. Both groups were killed by explosions at the same time, but Caitlyn was the sole one to survive. This is a problem because, firstly, the explosion was nearly point blank, but also because the two enforcers standing _behind her_ died instantly while Caitlyn walked away with some mild injuries. How? If you slow down the sequence (and I mean go frame by frame) as the explosion happens, you see her group briefly get engulfed in flames (you can tell because you see her fire extinguisher flying away beside her), before the explosion dies down and the other trio of enforcers replace her group in the shot. It's egregious.
This also highlights a minor misread in the dialogue, as only five enforcers died, though Caitlyn was bed ridden and fired (so Marcus did indeed "lose" 6 officers).
As for Silco's men, Powder's monkey bomb created an explosion that explicitly engulfed the catwalk in Silco's lair (this is the whole reason Sevika lost her arm). YET, when we cut to the catwalk after the explosion, we see at least 2 of Silco's goons still alive and proceeding to attack Vander. Additionally, anyone who fell on the bottom floor should've been engulfed in flames. So how are they alive? I think this is a blatant case of plot armor.
Hey! I really love your analysis for how deep you apprach all the individual pieces. Splitting up the storylines creates a really interesting analytical perspective because of how much of Arcane's vibe is from its interconnectedness and pacing.
I don't know if you'll see this, but if you do (for the part 3 video), I'd really appreciate hearing what you think about how the mechanical structure of the storytelling in Arcane effects everything in context! If not, I'm sure I'll still really enjoy hearing whatever you choose to talk about. Hopefully I can tune in for the watchalong for the next part whenever it comes out.
Thanks for the good and engaging content!!
Can't wait for part 3!
I'm enjoying the heck out of these videos. Great work!
Best breakdown of Arcane I've ever seen. Can't wait for part three!
Very few things shiver me timbers as much as a great video essay. Especially a positive one...though I've run out of Random content to binge. Keen for the third chapter!
Your summary of the story in part 1 of your arcane review was my favorite part of the video… the character breakdowns are good too. But please dont leave out your summary overview in part 3 like you did here
Thanks for the excellent content! I appreciate the vast amount of effort that goes into these, I'm sick today and this made my night much more enjoyable
What an amazing video, enjoyed every second of it. Can't wait for part 3. Extremely well done!
I love your vids so much, its truly a refreshing level of competence. Keep up the wonderful work, thank you very much.
Great video! When you pointed out the cause and effect from the airship fight I felt as if a new level of appreciation for the show was unlocked. All those dots connecting, making sense, and still being entertaining to watch is just incredible to me. Can't wait for part 3!
Astounding work. Just tickled the acoustic part of my brain that loves analysis.
Oh man i am so happy you mentioned that part about jayce not bringing up mel distracting him with politics, it was bothering me too but i couldn't formulate it and lucky is a fairly minor hang up
I find myself constantly pausing the video and watching all the scenes you talk about XD
wonderfully indepth analysis and breakdown. I eagerly look forward to the next part
Thanks for doing these videos of Arcane, this is without a doubt one of my fav shows ever, dying for a season 2!!
Note: Jinx's calling card is a doodle of Milo specifically. In her hallucinations, imaginary Milo is explicitly hostile to her, insulting her, blaming her for his death. This can mean one of two things. The doodles could mean that she perceives Milo as judging the actions for which she is leaving the calling card as some expression of guilt for those actions or they are a repudiation of his (her own) insults to her as being useless. Either way, I don't think they have some externally directed motivation like recognition.
Jinx's calling card is actually the head of her monkey bomb, lol. Vi could recognize it because she saw it lying on the ground after seeing Milo and Claggor's bodies.
Milo's face IS, however, painted on the head plate of Vi's punching machine. She did that prior to Act one, which was clearly her way of getting back at Milo for how often he judged her.
4 hours or analysis?
Man, I'm gonna write a lot of notes...
Kudos for the time, effort, care, and passion you put in your videos. I really keep your analytical and argumentation skills in very high regard and I feel like I can be more objective the more I watch your content.
24 hours to part 2! I’m looking forward to seeing the video!
Excellent timing! I just found the first video the other day, so I've been itching to hear your thoughts on act 2 😁
In the meantime, I'm gonna go rewatch the Guns For Hire sequence for the hundredth time, lol.
We have a Longman over here
Possible idea for subtopic for future video(s) from a nerd and LoL player like you: subtle fanservice.
One example that I noticed: Ekko was introduced into the game with another great short video called "Seconds", its idea being "If you do not live every moment of your life to its fullest, you don't deserve a single extra second". Literally the first words we hear from Ekko in Arcane are: "Give me a few seconds". While he is fixing a clock. Obviously.
I finished watching this show a few days ago and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. It is a masterpiece and your videos have made me love the storytelling even more, while making me appreciate all the characters more, too- even those I initially didn't care for. I'm so excited for the final part. You have earned a subscriber.
Really excellent work! Please know that the difference between a video of this quality and the weekly videos for clicks by others are absolutely seen by those who pay attention. I couldn’t find a good review which actually goes over this show in depth until this.
Keep up the good work!
Damn I haven't noticed how deep of a character Marcus actually is until i saw this video. He's actually pretty complex
Really hoping this vid blows up. I want part 3 to complete your trilogy, even if there is no full retrospective. So fun to gush over something that is genuinely good and embodies values of what a show should be.
My best guess for the harpoon thingy is that it's some sort of tool, not a weapon. Harpoons aren't really a killing thing so much as they are tool for capture. The design looks Piltovian(?) with the wood, steel, and what I think is brass? If I had to come up with a possible use for them, there's probably some sort of creature that attaches to the bottom of air ships and they might use the harpoon gun to remove the creature without damaging the ship.
As a possible explanation for Vi not being recognized, I think there is another possibility. First being that a lot of Silco's operation and operatives got vaporized, so he needed to find new people. Second being that not everyone survives in the Undercity while Silco will have started pumping in Shimmer, which reduces the life expectancy in the city. Third being that Silco's rule combined with increased trade with Hex Gates drives in new people looking for new opportunities. Forth being that Vi sticks out to us, but doesn't seem to as much in the world to other people. Fifth being that prisoners probably don't want to tell their criminal bosses that some crazy girl kicked their backside in while they were in prison. Sixth being that she walks around the Undercity, is seen by a bunch of people, yet only a couple people who knew Vander directly seem to recognize her.
Don't forget that something like 5-7 years have passed. Vi has grown up and gotten tattoos. A lot of her former associates probably were either run out of town or offed by Silco's goons as he took over. Some of the random people might recognize her as a familiar face, but wouldn't think about it more than that.
Oddly enough, viktors' transformation in the lore doesn't corrupt his ideals or values but rather how Jayce veiws him. Alternatively, Jayce makes many choices as a politician that moraly degrades his character over time. One is veiwed as a hero and the other eventually a villain but both fall into heavily grey areas with how they operate. The voice lines in game dont really reflect viktor or his ideals all that clearly or accurately and i hope that they dont turn him into a monster in later seasons.
Unfortunately, since when Arcane (and, i assume, stuff related to Arcane) became canon, most (if not all) stories involving Arcane main characters became obsolete.
@@3timeszero but if the characters in arcane are still keeping in line with source material, using the voice lines in game that don't align with the character they represent is kind of silly. especially if you're using them to predict character arcs. vi enjoying police brutality, cait always going for the kill shot, viktor being a transhumanist that only believes in his viewpoint as the correct one.... the character voice lines in game have no connection to the lore of the characters, but arcane is still in a very grey area of lore, where most of it can still have a connected continuity to the actual character stories in universe.
@@apblolol There was Dev Update video from 5 month ago, i guess, where Riot stuff said that Arcane is officially canon (hence old lore of Arcane's characters is in weird state - some parts of their lore could be updated, some could still be canon and some will have no connection to canon at all) and everything they release after this Dev Update will be considered canon. So, i guess, old Jayce and Victor stories (including old version of Swanwick Padidly "stealing" the creation of Blitzcrank from Viktor), the whole Vi origin story etc aren't relevant anymore, they will be retconed or are already retconed by Arcane.
Anyway, consider checking Necrit's video about lore changes following Arcane becoming canon. If I am wrong here, Necrit's definitely not.
@@3timeszero all i mean by it is i hope that viktor isnt turned into some monster and that the line singed said to him where his peers would see him differently is more along the lines of what his established character had happen. viktors humanity isnt his body its his mind and soul. seeing as thats just about the only thing he never changed in the source material for his character i see no reason on why they would change his endpoint. altho in game his voice lines are, crazy robot man wants everyone to be a robot for a perfect society, his established lore before the show is more along the lines of, human bodies fail and robotic ones fail less. i feel like viktor losing his humanity is as far from his character as you could get, his main motivation is to preserve humanity and to help the human condition.
@@apblolol In Legends of Runeterra (which purpose is mostly to "push" lore, since the game doesn't make any significant money) Viktor is becoming kind of villain. Which is sad.
waiting for part 3. this is an excellent analysis !
Love the Arcane vids! Looking forward to part 3!
I really love how you go into this show. I look forward to the conclusion!
Hoping this series wraps before s2 comes out, so i can rewatch s1, then these vids, then s2.
Keep up the great work ;)
ooh yes, im excited to hear what you have to talk about