"Judicial Reforms Led to October 7 Massacre"-- Historian Gadi Taub
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- Gadi Taub is an Israeli historian, author, and commentator known for his work in political and cultural criticism. He holds a Ph.D. in American Studies from Rutgers University and is a faculty member at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, where he teaches in the School of Public Policy and the Department of Communications and Journalism.
He has written several books, both fiction and non-fiction, exploring themes of Israeli identity, politics, and culture. Notable titles include "The Settlers and the Struggle over the Meaning of Zionism" and "The Valley of the Cross," a novel.
Taub is a prominent voice in Israeli media, known for his critical views on various aspects of Israeli society and politics. He has written extensively on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the role of religion in Israeli politics, and the country's democratic challenges. Besides his academic work, Taub is a frequent contributor to newspapers, magazines, and television programs in Israel, providing analysis and commentary on current events and political developments.
He is known for his outspoken and sometimes controversial opinions. He has been critical of the Israeli left, the settlement movement, and certain aspects of liberalism, often sparking debate and discussion within Israeli society and beyond.
He is co-host of the / @israelupdate-
Israel Update is a video podcast hosted by Israeli historian and political commentator Gadi Taub and Michael Doran. The show offers news from the ground as well as an unparalleled insider perspective on the war.
This interview was conducted by Pamela Paresky.
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Now I understand why the judicial reforms were such a big deal.
Yeah it's not anti democratic like the left tried to present it.
On the contrary it actually makes Israel more democratic.
uhuh
And why Netanyahu fought against it happening
@@SkillandChillParentingstop lying
@@SkillandChillParentingyou think you know something but you are beyond clueless
As a former IDF soldier who was stationed on the Gaza border, in 2017 and 18, I can confirm every word of this.
@@snakey934Snakeybakey Thank you for your service.
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The rise of the israeli uktra nationalists on yojtube.
Ty for your service
how many people there had rifles within immediate reach?
Problem with progressive judges here in USA as well , letting criminals on the street
Yes, but at least in the US, jurists are either elected by the people, or appointed by democratically elected leaders. In Israel, judges and justices are selected by their own cronies, and the people have no say. Also, justices can only overturn laws for being unconstitutional, and cases have to filter up to the Supreme Court through lower courts, plus one must have standing to bring a suit. In Israel the high court has granted itself the power to overturn any law based upon whim, davka. And they'll take on a law as soon as it is passed, no lower court rulings or standing are needed.
Thank you, Gadi Taub for a full proof and masterful explanation of complex reality on the judicial system in Israel within the broader political context.
Israel cannot be a DEMOCRACY if The Judaical System is Self elected.
תודה על ההסבר. בהחלט מצב דיבילי
This situation is unreasonable.
indeed
hi thanks for the video it is a very good summary of the judicial issue. Can i just suggest you change the title because it is misleading ?
According to Gadi Taub in the video, it is not 'judicial reform' that led to the October 7th massacre but 'judicial overreach' that caused it. Taub reasoning is that the judiciary is so powerful in Israel , the Idf had to weaken their guidelines for opening fire (so the court wouldnt strike them down). This , he says led to a loss of deterrence and the massacre of october7th.
What a bullshit. Israeli soldiers don't ask the judge if open a fire. You are spreading propaganda.
What a BS. Israeli solder don't ask any judge if open a fire.
I agree the title is misleading , as the attempted reforms were to fix the judicial overreach
The thing is, the government legislates, the rules of engagement in the army cannot explain the inactions of the idf. Meaning that the rules make soldiers unable to kill on a whim legally.
If the soldier feels threatened though the procedure doesn't keep him from acting...
It is thrown around... Mostly to promote an anti army and legislative branch conspiracies (since they are more popular and Israelis trust them more than politicians even after countless defamation campaigns).
Cheers mate 🫡
@@HiddenClef777, thanks, you wrote it more succinctly than me!
Shocking stuff. Thank you for this explanation.
Without judicial reform and an American style Constitution, things will not get better. Similar reform is need in the IDF.
Big changes done only with common agreement, not by half Parliament.
The US Constitution doesn't seem to be functioning too well at present, either.
The Zionists are doomed to fail because live in an imaginary world. Magical thinking = schizophrenia.
The existence of a constitution is given far too much weight, there are backwater countries with stellar constitution and there are countries that did well without it.
Constitution is just a codified form of the agreed upon rules of governance , once the agreement wanes, the constitution is ignored, as we can well see in the US for a long while now.
@@RGL01 , you should go to the official knesset website and read what the reform includes. I mean, the pdf files actually exist there for you to read. I don't think the reform laws that were suggested actually propose what you think they propose (hint: it's a bait and switch, the reform laws you heard on mass media about differ A LOT from the actual suggested laws).
Israel needs a constitution
The attempt at a constitution is what started the corruption in the first place. No it doesn't need a constitution.
The problem is, Israel has Basic Law, which is close to a constitution. Yet bagatz (high court) has now given itself the power to overturn Basic Law.
This problem is common to most Western countries. It's not for nothing that France has been called "the Republic of the judges". As for the UK, the unelected judges fought hard against the will of the people after Brexit. Every time, those unelected judges are Leftists.
In the same way, lawfare is used to get rid of right wing deterrence,.
"right wing" in their opinion - its basically most of the time the sane center. and the real right wing is labeled as radical right wing or extreme right wing.
This man is wonderfully knowledgeable and makes a lot of sense.
He is 100% right about too much power in the hands of the courts. My home country is living under a judicial dictatorship right now, where judges appointed by one side years ago won’t let the opposing parties to govern even with the mandate given by the majority of population.
The Supreme Court not only vetoes everything they don’t like but also interfere in electoral tribunals to tip the escale in favor of their candidates, that in turn will appoint more like minded judges.
It has become such a vicious cycle that the judiciary basically became a powerful uniparty that they feels comfortable enough to persecute politicians from the opposition with impunity. And anyone who challenges their overreach (even journalists and elected officials) will be investigated under the excuse of “defending democracy” or “this was an attack on the institutions”.
Wake up US: look at Canada, look Germany, look at UK; their final goal to circumvent the electorate altogether is capturing the judiciary. It won’t matter how many elections you win when the managerial state is fully independent.
Like one wise man once said: “The worst type of dictatorship is a judicial one: against it, there’s no one to appeal to.”
exactly!
Because this guy is logical and clever, the corrupt political system cannot tolerate him. Bravo for speaking out. Israel needs to hear the truth.
You might consider retitling the video to "Failure of Judicial Reforms Led to Oct. 7. "
No, The judiciary should not be reformed by the IsraëlI right wing, because a leftist court of justice is needed, assuring that some dangerous laws created by a dictatorship of the right , can be balanced before they get executed.
This talk is world class. I personally am not surprised, but this should have been made available to world media last October.
God bless Israel, the Jews, and Bibi.
This guy is amazingly clear. Why isn’t he running for office in Israel? Revamp the Jewish judiciary and save that country from itself.
G. Taub is an academic, not a politician (nor an attorney); he is a history professor.
@@inatwho And your point?
He is incredibly intelligent. He worked as a writer for the left-leaning Israeli newspaper Haaretz but was dismissed after changing his views on the government and politics. Once a supporter of the left, he began to see the corruption and prejudice within the elite, particularly their reluctance to allow a Mizrahi Jew in the Supreme Court, favoring only Ashkenazi Jews-in other words, only white Jews, not black or brown Jews.
@@lee4768 To me he probably seems to be a too honest and decent human being to go inti politics.
@@lee4768 -unfortunately Gadi Taub isn’t going to run for office, nor is he going to be involved with the judiciary …
THE SAME IS THE CASE IN INDIA. IT IS A JURISTOCRACY.
It was unfortunate that I had to wait until 10:06 to hear the reason judiciary caused Oct.7. But illuminating.
God help us
Always he makes everything so easy to understand
Thank you for this Intervie, thank you Gadi Taub!
Great job of explaining what is going on! And congratulations for explaining it in such a way that even a retired lawyer can understand! I especially liked your example of what I would say upon looking at the court's decision on shooting. Also, I can appreciate what legal counsel would advise as I'm pretty sure my advice would be similar.
Always wonderful to listen to your views, Gadi.
I like this man. I learn so much!!
Thank you Quillette.
Thank you, Quillette.
thank you!
it’s such an important topic and I always struggle to explain it to my Western friends. now I can just share your video.
What Taub neglects to mention about the reform is that the absolute power to create constitutional laws will be given to the government and no other branch can appeal or check those laws. So the reform takes the absolute power from the judiciary branch and gives it to the government instead of creating balance.
The government is *elected.* That is the difference. The government expresses (should express) the will of the people (8 million). The government can be changed. Saying that nine (9) people get to decide what can be changed and what cannot is the very definition of an autocratic state.
@@Phantasm8Spirit So how does it make sense to pass a reform that gives absolute power to the government instead of the judges instead of trying to create balance? Why would you do that?
@@Phantasm8SpiritJust read what are the 3 branches of goverment. In most places in the world the court has a final word (in US for e.g.) and nowhere in the world judges are elected directly (like politicians).
Israel is not different in that regard.
Israel is different because it doesn't have Constitution, Bill of Rights and other fundamental documents.
Israel also has no separation of Legislative and Executive branches - goverment automatically has majority in the parlament. There's no situation like in US that Admin can't get Senates approval for something.
Giving to Exec branch (which also controls the Legislative branch) also power over Judicial branch will concentrate all power in hands of 1 man, like Roman Emperor.
What are you talking about? The Supreme Court in Israel operates like a private club friends bringing in friends, and that's how you become a Supreme Court judge. It's a crime, really. The Supreme Court has become a political body.
@@Phantasm8Spirit What Taub neglects to mention also is that the rejection of the Reform by the left of center population and demonstrators was due to the theoretical, ableit extreme, possibility of a Knesset ruling that Arabs have no right to vote thereby creating an undemocratic situation voted in by an oppressive majority. According to the reform, a simple majority would be allowed to overrule supreme court judges. That we be equivalent to the US enabling constitutional amendments through a simple majority instead of the 2/3 requirement.
Israel needs a constitution!
Maybe, but constituting this constitution will be several times more polarising than anything that has polarised Israeli society up to now. It's quite a conundrum
We have the word of God at Sinai.
No we don't. We need to revamp the judiciary & legal system so that we do away with affirmative action for elites & Arabs & institute a meritocracy based on ability.
And people like Netanyahu abused this fact with their "reform" that was just a power grab
Thank you, Gadi Taub for a full proof and masterful explanation of complex reality on the judicial system in Israel
If it's true that Israel's tolerance has resulted in 10/7, that is something that needs to be addressed.
Israel is tolerant? 😂
The headline is all wrong here. Taub isn't sayinng the Judicial Reforms caused October 7th, he's saying the Judicial system caused it.
the swamp lives
The Communist swamps live.
Thanks for clarifying. I understand why the coverage of this was so sensitive. When people in other countries hear that they want to give power to the elected officials they are afraid when not understanding this. On the other hand, with the demonstrations, it seems like the people don't see the elected officials as fit to make laws. I can understand why they are against this change then - especially the left. Or was there no debate at all about this, about what is the problem with the system compared to others? Then forcing it was a wrong decision.
The taste of the pudding is in the eating
They have avoided debate and moved to public protests.
As my old grandma used to say: "Azohen vey..."
Why did it take HOURS for the IDF to come to the assistance of the Kibbutzim on 7 Oct?!?!
Juristocraty, which country else has this state system?
India.
No one, and never in human history there was such a thing.
It can't exist.
Does anybody have a link to the podcast on judicial reform that Gali mentions early in this?
Seems he really understands their system.
Menachim Begin was 100 % right!
As a Jew it makes me wonder if Jurisocracy is a uniquely Jewish form.
It's called the "Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets" Court. Or "Whim of Iron" Judiciary. Problem is Wokesters don't feel the flaws of their sense of justice and democracy.
I can relate to Gabi a lot on this one. It is hard to describe the issue to people who aren't familiar with how things worth. The system is so screwed up that people think I'm giving so bias right wing answer, and even I myself feel like I am. Yet I'm not, the system really is that screwed up. The Supreme Court in Israel does indeed select its own successors, they do indeed have the power to strike down any law based on no legal precedent, just whether or not they consider it "reasonable". I can keep going...
I call BS. First, Hamas was planning the Battle of Al Aqsa Flood for at least a decade, maybe even two, and it was going to happen at one point or another. From 2010-2020, many Hamas leaders could be heard on TV (Al-Aqsa) stating that they predict the "liberation of Al Aqsa Mosque would soon, some said before 2022. Second, there were multiple factors that in combination made Hamas decide October 7 was a good time to attack. While the Judicial Reforms definitely played some role in the timing, I can list at least two other factors (in my opinion) that Hamas considered, and those are 1) the temporal proximity of Saudi-Israeli normalization agreements which would essentially be a death knell for Tehran ie a greenlight from Tehran; and 2) a greenlight from Putin (Tehran's vital partner in crime) to sidetrack the West, primarily USA from Ukraine and to spread thin Western resources going to Ukraine. It's very possible that there were even more factors that influenced the timing of Hamas's war, but to assign a causal relationship between the judicial reforms alone and October 7, examines the issue through an oversimplified noncomprehensive lens, in my humble opinion. I could be wrong.
@@greybushMEproductions I'm Israeli and I also think that you might be right
(BTW I do not consider what Netanyahu attempted to do as genuine reform. His focus did not include tackling corruption within the system or implementing tougher punishments for heinous criminal acts- his actions seemed aimed at weakening the judiciary...)
Which side instituted the EuroTrash policy of generally disarming the general public? Making the public defenseless was the cause of the results of Sept 7, rather than being a widespread gunfight after the invasion.
In most places in the world the court has a final word (in US for e.g.) and nowhere in the world judges are elected directly (like politicians).
Israel is not different in that regard.
But Israel is different from most contries because it doesn't have Constitution, Bill of Rights and other fundamental documents.
Israel also has no separation of Legislative and Executive branches - goverment automatically has majority in the parlament. There's no situation like in US that Admin can't get Senates approval for something.
Goverment (which also controlls the parlament) can change ANY law like the election date, goverment structure, it's own limits of power, everything. Can even "legally" cancel the elections at all. Can even change the form of goverment to monarchy.
Giving to Exec branch (which also controls the Legislative branch) also power over Judicial branch will concentrate all power in hands of 1 man, like Roman Emperor.
When the court has absolute power to choose their own judges, the will of the people becomes a joke.
@@nirkon Court does NOT chose it's judges, they apply by themselves and go through hearing procedure in election committee that comprised of representatives from different goverment branches.
In a very similar way like it's done in most countries.
If you're aware about any other way of electing judges in some countries - enlighten us how it should be done.
In addition judges rule according to the LAW and not some illusive and subjective "will of the people".
@@cupotkaable except that's not really true, in Israel the court has majority rule over who gets chosen, its not a "fair fight", compare with other countries such as the US in which federal judges get chosen by the president. The entire point of the reform in Israel was to balance out the process of appointing judges.
and the "will of the people" is not elusive and subjective - the will of the people should be enacted by the elected officials chosen in a democratic way, so yes while the court should in some cases balance things out, it should still serve in the interest of the elected officials and not directly against it which is the case in Israel.
@@nirkon Judges (as part of the comittee) are not selecting or proposing candidates. IF (big if) they collude they may block candidates. Goverment (Minister of Justice) proposes candidates - similar to US.
In absolutely most of the cases goverment were able to appoint judges they wanted.
Give me some examples when they blocked judges that Goverment wanted. Half of the judges are conservative (whatever it means) - somehow they got in.
@@cupotkaable
It's not a matter of giving examples, they have a majority vote on every single committee, and both the court and the Knesset proposes potential judges.
Are you Israeli? Because saying half of the judges are conservatives is disconnected from the actual reality.
The results speak for themselves, time after another they rule in a biased progressive leftist way which goes against the elected government, and veto laws without batting an eyelid.
There are several serious problems with this analysis. First, the Israeli Supreme Court is NOT leftist! My understanding is that its rulings have truly spanned the breadth of political interests in the country. The claim that it is leftist is disinformation by the Netanyahu regime. A second problem is the claim that the court wields too much power. As a result of the Israeli parliamentary system, the executive and the legislative branches are essentially one, since the ruling coalition also has a majority in the Knesset. Therefore, the legislative and executive branches essentially provide no checks on each other, and the court remains the ONLY check on the regime. In the United States, we have multiple checks and balances--three independent branches of government check each other, two houses of Congress check each other, and the states and the federal government check each other. But in Israel, the court provides the ONLY check. The Netanyahu regime, by trying to assert total control over who gets to be a justice, is essentially trying to gain complete power without any checks and balances. THAT is the real issue here!
I'll also add that the depiction of the reasonableness clause is twisted. It is needed precisely because of the Netanyahu regime's attempts to subvert democracy and gain complete control of the government.
And just in case you're wondering why the Netanyahu regime is so bad, as an example, in the immediate aftermath of Oct. 7, as Israelis were traumatized and tens of thousands forced to flee their homes, Netanyahu's coalition's priority seemed to be to allocate enormous sums of money for religious communities, and at the same time fail to allocate any money to help those who lost their homes. Netanyahu's coalition is formed of literal terrorists, avowed racists, and several people guilty of corruption. It is a travesty that this coalition ever came to rule, and not only is it bad in itself, but also does enormous damage to Israel's image that people like Ben Gvir and Smotrich, who work to enable violence against Palestinians in the West Bank, are given so much power. Is this an administration to which you want to give complete control of government without any checks or balances?
Well articulated.. Thank you.
@@davidkreiselman6786 Thank you, David!
@@rufescensI'm Israeli and I completely agree with every word (This is also one of the best comments that sum up the situation I've seen :) )
Thank you 🇮🇱❤️🇺🇲
@@chenrhrh Thank you! 💜
Poppycock. All the justices are extreme left wing elitists. Yours is the disinformation. It wasn't so bad, that the courts all favored the Bolsheviks, prior to 30 years ago, when they decided to start stealing the power from the democratically elected government. Your cannot name a single right wing jurist or judge.
Duly Noted. question - what is to prevent the PM who has majority in the Knesset, from making very radical policy.
The political parties of Knesset and next elections.
Exactly. Taub's analysis is twisted. The court isn't the problem here--in fact, it is essential as the ONLY check on the PM and his coalition!
That is proper role of judiciary, to compel that laws past conform to constitutional principles.
You're forgetting there are no constitutional principles! But there is this principle of "reasonability" that allows judges to cancel ANY legislation that goes against their political or other interest! Judges who get to appoint their own successors! An insane Moment 22 that rules the people and land of Israel!!
Well said
There's actually a word for the rule by judges it's called a: 'Kritarchy.'
Referring to the title. This is definitely wrong. The first step that led us to October 7th was a poor poor poor Oslo agreement with mass murderer Arafat, and now we are doing the same mistake if we will save Hania from his own dungeon. We shouldn’t stop the fight, we should end Hamas and other radicals, so the Palestinians and Israel will have a real chance to discuss and come together to a real solution, because Oslo was hidden from the entire population of Israel and no one knew about this until the last moment when the agreement was already signed. People in Israel felt betrayed by their own government, and when Rabin was assassinated the time stood still and there was no progress because Arafat was not interested to keep his part of the deal and then we went out totally from Gaza, which led Hamas to get stronger, which led us to October 7th. If not the Oslo agreements Israelis were still visiting Gaza and Gazans in Israel
Ultimately the Sovereignty of the Knesset is based on the principle of parliamentary sovereignty inherited from the United Kingdom. Of course, the Judiciary seems to be interpreting Basic Law as if it were binding such it has become in Germany, yet no authority to ensure that binding authority is laid out in the Basic Law of Israel itself. The Judiciary would therefore only have the power to maintain the separation of powers, and nothing else?
You gotta change the title, ppl are ignorant and when they see this title they actually believe that hamas committed the 7th of october massacre as a way to fight corruption, which is a really bad way to frame this. The october 7th attack happened because our arab neighbors want us dead and are waiting for the perfect time to massacre us all the time, the judicial reform had an effect because idf pilots were protesting and stated that they are not willing to serve, on top of the massive protests and the incompetent goverments in Israel and usa that made Israel and usa into a global joke.
So basically yall got to stop framing this conflict as if israel is at fault and deserved this attack because it doesn't look good and definitely doesn't help to bring back our hostages, the only people to blame for this are the terrorists called Palestinians and their supporters in iran(and all of their proxies in lebanon yemen syria and Egypt)
Israel's judiciary elect their own. They have too much power.
What he's describing isn't that different in principle from how the federalists under John Marshall massively built up the power of the US supreme court in order to maintain their influence after they were routed electorally by Thomas Jefferson, though what he's describing is to a much greater degree.
In the US, judges and justices are either elected by the people, or appointed by those the people elect. In Israel, judges select other judges, which results in pure cronyism. Also, SCOTUS may only overturn laws if they are unconstitutional. In Israel, they can be overturned on a whim, no reason needed.
India has the same problem.
You guys should interview Benny Morris instead. Gadi is super biased and often explains things half way to support his position.
Right. Like morris who untill the massacre was post zionist isnt biased. Clown.
Hardly. Such incident has been planned for decades prior.
'Decades' is too tall claim.
Careful planning for 1-2 years is more than enough.
@@NoOne-kx7zs Rephrase - General plans and development of such operations re massive incursion into Israel existed at least since early 2000s. In 2009 someone told me about it.
So was 67 war planned. Egypt stranglehold on Israel and Arab plan to attack was on its way for at least a decade. But it was the (very noisy) internal conflict inside Israel that led the Arabs to believe Israel was crumbling and gave them boldness to want to attack.
In 67 they were dead wrong. The Israeli army prepared for war over a decade and pre empted the attack. In 2023 the Israeli army was busy supporting the judiciary and reservists who refused to serve.
His point is that court resolutions normalized presence of terrorists near the fence thus eroding watchguard awareness and making border breaking time shorter.
Not that the whole incursion is due to court overreach.
@@ef2718 That was part of the plan too))
We're all puppets on a string, even Glenn Greenwold. Stay curiues
Veto on the basis of "reasonableness"? Yikes...
Working hard to clear his king from blame.
Netanyahu steals credit from others, but *never* takes responsibility.
New Greenwald just dropped.
Another Bibi lover 🤮
The guy explains the situation clearly. Loving Bibi or not, I completely understand how the left is bringing the country down. The same is happening in the U.S. U.K and France.
This is a gross misrepresentation of facts. In so many ways. I wouldn't trust this guy as far as i could throw him.
This guy is a dangerous clown.
In Australia we would never allow a government with a slim majority to totally rewrite our constitution and judicial processes. That sort of thing happens in Hungary, in Russia. it is not the basis for stable democratic government. We cannot allow it to happen in Israel. That is why the vast, vast majority of Israelis despise the current government. The high court in Israel has effective constitutional authority on legal matters effecting human rights. This has very strong precedent in a country without a formal constitution. The courts do not make political policy. The claim that they do is a cheap and deliberate lie. It is an attack on the decent fabric of Israeli society.
Israel does not have a constitution.
Won't watch the video, but if the title really is his main point, this is an exceptionally dumb take
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The desperation by this so alled historian to concoct and contrive the idiocy that the Gazan Hamas terror entity was influenced by the judicial reform to act on its aims to destroy the Israeli border area is bizarre in the extreme.
They had and have always had their own militant and terror agenda.
Taub should be put out to pasture asap.
Bibi divided the Israeli people. That's the worst any leader can do.
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You are a lefty, that is the problem
Wrong, people voted for him and that is democracy, I can’t say the same about the Supreme Court.
No the worst thing a leader can do is make decisions that get them all killed. Obviously 🤦♂️
The left divided Israel because they can't get power through elections. Same mentality as the left in US, BLM and the likes, they have come out to say if Republicans win presidential election they will burn America down. Democracy only if they win
It's not that complicated they follow the Talmud.
Absolute nonsense. Israel is secular and goes mostly by common law.
@@gilyashar You mean Apartheid.
There is a reason Menachim Begin's rise was a concern. This guy was the lead of Irgun, a violent group that operated outside of Haganah, not doing much real fighting outside of terrorizing Arab population, even the ones who made peace with Haganah (Deir Yassin Massacre). There was real concerns justified concerns over how they would behave once in power.
Cray cray how fast this platform went from decent journalism to full on Xionism.
Decent journalism = “Things I agree with”.
Grow the hell up already.
you can leave right now, i don't think anyone will regret that
No. They used to be borderline objective or at least efforts were made with that goal in mind. Now it’s Hasbara all the time.
@@jaybeaton9301 go read HaAretz and be happy
@@jaybeaton9301 Nonsense. Objectivity for you means allowing the dissemination of blood libels while characterizing the response as “hasbara”.
“Horrific Human Rights Abuses & Torture of Palestinians in Israeli Prisons Documented in New Report”
Glenn Greenwald
An your point is?
Watch it.
Lol get a life. You don't understand anything about anything, but still decided to share your ignorance with us.