A little known option, Festool sells the MFT side rails in different lengths, I got some 1900mm side rails, which just replace the standard 800 rail on my older MFT 800 table, this gave me the length of two tables connected together, for the small cost of the long side rail (around $100) and the cost of an additional MFT top. I added a bit of 3/4 oak to fill,the gap between the two tops to get a replaceable wear strip. You can do something similar with the current new MFT tables. Dashboard makes some great accessories for their version of the MFT table, many of which will work on the Festool MFT table setup, including a fence system similar to the Benchdog fence, for less $. I recently added the Dashboard Surface mount fence, which uses locking dogs to align and lock the fence down. Works quite well, and gives the option of using it with their Track Stars, to get wider cuts on s standard width MFT table. I can get up to 30-inch wide cross cuts, with material fully supported. Cheers
The one overriding feature to the MFT is that it is precisely aligned at the factory. Every hole is precisely aligned to every other hole on the table. The holes are precisely drilled to 20mm. the entire table is this way. THAT means that you can buy it, set it up and start to work without ever worrying about this stuff. I made my own table, larger than the MFT, but the amount of effort it took to make sure that everything I did ended up with the same precision as the Festool table was, in the end, not worth it. Just buy the table, and get to work. A 3hp Sawstop saw in 5 grand these days and no one even blinks for that. A Robust American Beauty lathe is north of 10 grand!! So, buy the table and be happy.
It puts the cut line in the same place every time, so over time you don't end up with a wider cutline below which would allow more tear-out. The main benefit of the square is to show that the dog holes are at 90 degrees, making the fence at 90 degrees
A great work bench for sure! The game changer for me was making an MFT style top on a hydraulic lift table. The ability of raising and lowering your worksurface/whatever is on it, has been the bomb. Thanks for your videos/knowledge!
The part that confuses me: Why align the track with your reference arrows, then throw that alignment away and redo it with the large triangle? I can justify double checking with the triangle (in my experience the bench dog holes are set up perfectly so any 90 degree set up will be 90 degrees). If you don't intend to use the bench dog holes for alignment, why not go straight to the triangle? This might cost me, I really like the Dashboard PWS, Festools version always struck me as cheaply built.
It isn’t required. I just wanted to show the system as it’s sold. And then also share a trick that I have used over the past year. The don’t both have to be done.
Another great video, Jason. Nice work! Having used a home made Ron Paulk style for a couple of years I'm about to invest $$$$ in the Byington-inspired system very similar to yours. I've already got the excellent Benchdogs UK fence and equally great Dash-Board rail arm. I'm currently considering whether to buy the well-designed Dash-Board PWS table or invest in multiple MFTs as you did. I note you have a Dash-Board track star as well. Did you consider investing in the Dash-Board table as an alternative? I'm guessing you went for multiple MFTs because of the larger overall cutting and assembly workspace it provided. One thing that appealed to me about the Dash-board table is that Rob at Dash-board also sells an accessory intended to hold doors/windows vertically that would be very useful for dealing with. That feature would need to be built into the cabinetry for your set up, and I was wondering if you were thinking about adding a similar feature into your upcoming cabinet base rebuild.
Jason - Great description. Love the setup! For those concerned about the cut into the MFT, you could always route out a 3/4” by 1/2” deep or so dado and make a replaceable insert to go into the table. Going to look into those Dash components for my shop! Thanks and have a great holiday!
I built the exact setup earlier this year. I build a lot of cabinets and this setup has been absolutely amazing. It was worth every penny and have not one single regret. I did contact bench dogs and had a custom fence made that is around 80" so i could make longer repeatable cuts. Also the new metal flag stops from Benchdogs are way nicer than the original, highly recommend them.
I still have just the one MFT. And I'm definitely still considering getting a second. Probably will. But when I watch this video and see how much capacity you have on that table... It makes me want to save my quarters. LOL
Great Vid - thanks. One of the (few) downsides to the MFT3 design, is that if you place the tables side by side as you have, the holes in adjacent tables are not exactly 96mm apart between the two tables. If you were to make a new top using parf sticks, you can have a single tabletop piece spanning all three tables, sitting in the tables by scoring the underside of the tables along the edges where the festool profile prevent the original tops from moving, then the whole thing can be set up at 96mm spacings.
I have almost the same set up. one MFT turned the "wrong way" like yours, and then I bought two long side profiles from Festool and made in into one table (not 3). I have clamping on all 4 sides and one unbroken MDF surface with dog holes only where I need them (made with the Parf Guide). Finally I build in a routerlift in one end.
Great video. Just ordered my 3 MTFs, and trying to orders your other supply list. Question - those arrows to line it up between the dog holes - do you remember where you purchased them? Thanks!!
Hey Jason, I’ve been a subscriber for a while, and I have a few things I’d like to say. The conciseness in your videos is unmatched. Your video about inset hinges inspired me to build a full set of shop cabinets. All your tips I took to heart, and they helped me so much. In regard to this video, I’m fortunate enough to replicate what you have with the MFTs and the cross cut tools. You are humble, even though you have millions of dollars of tools (probably). I sincerely appreciate your content and looking forward to what the future holds. Best.
TSO sells the UJK Parf system to make your own MFT style table top and then make your own table with the side track system you want that is compatible with PWS system.
Fantastic , Love it. I own the dashboard and bench dog rigs . Only difference I used the the part guid system to build out my table. I used the Rockler table set ups . If I had the means I would do the three MFT's I like your rig. I think the dashboard products are just great and he is a small business and I love that he brought his ideas to market .
I've seen folks who rout an 8 mm dado into their MFT top and then cut a piece of MDF to put in it with a press fit. That way they're cutting into the sacrificial piece, not the MFT top. When that strip starts to get sloppy, they simply cut a new strip and replace the old one.
How about adding a second dashboard guide rail adapter along the short side and doing rip cuts with it in lieu of parallel guides? I am about to build a similar set up but will be using 1.5 in. 8020 extrusion and MDF with formica top. FYI Microjig and Festool clamps work perfectly in the 8020 extrusion. Just saw below that Festool will sell you just the rails. Interesting.
The time of this video is perfect because I have watched your other video a few times this week. I have been searching for ideas on a new assembly table for my shop. Owning 2 MFTs drew me to this setup. Does the space under the MFT provide enough space to easily put your hand in there and grab tools? Also, I’m very interested in how your new base for this setup is going designed. Thanks for the excellent videos and impeccable detail explaining you provide.
Your setup is really nice! But I am confused about the comment that if you cut over the aluminum channel there would be tearout. And therefore cutting on the table’s MDF surface is preferred. Do you not use the replaceable tearout strip on the track to prevent tearout on the bottom side of your cut?
I finally have an MFT. I don’t think I would do 3 of them. But I can definitely see the benefit of having two. Yesterday I was cutting some. Having the greater crosscut capacity would be really nice. I’m curious why you like the bench dogs fence over the Festool fence? So far my biggest issue with the Festool one is not having a ruler on it.
That's an outstanding setup, but admittedly beyond my paygrade as a hobbyist. Still, the functionality and layout gives me a few nuggets to use when I build my bench. Thanks for sharing, Jason. 👍🤜
Really slick setup. Looking forward to seeing what improvements you make for your new assembly table. I have been looking at the dashboard track mounts myself for my MFT table. Appreciate your demo of them. Best of luck on your new table build and thanks for the great video.
I had no idea there were aftermarket track brackets. That's a game changer for me, as I don't want to buy an MFT. I can fashion my own for far cheaper even with the additional cost of the track bracket and some 80/20. Excellent video, thanks Jason!
Are you still utilizing the assembly table for these types of crosscuts after getting the sliding table saw? Not that I'm thinking about a sliding table saw - just curious how the work and the thought process changes as tools change.
GREAT Channel - I'm in the process of fine tuning my skills for building kitchen cabinets and maybe do more as a side gig. I'm a big fan of Festool and I bought the Festool MFT but I'm disappointed in the track hinge - it comes out of square way to easily. I like the fence you use, but wanted to see your thoughts on the TSO upgrade kit ? - great videos - thanks for producing these!
Jason, really enjoy your content. Question regarding your assembly table. What is the height of the Rockler legs you used? I have an uneven basement floor and like the idea of adjustable legs; something I wish Festool would improve on their MFTs. One adjustable leg isn't going to cut it. Thanks
Hello Jason, I'm not sure if you get notified of comments to older videos, but I have a quick question. I want to order the fence system and Benchdog does not make the 1450 mm version any longer. They only have 1000 mm or connecting two of them to make a 2000 mm fence. What is your advice? Will 1000 mm be enough or should I consider connecting to fences and cutting off the second fence to make it 1450 mm. Thank
I have my three MFTs and they are oriented as yours are. I am installing the BD rail system. Now my next project is the base. In the video you mentioned that the base is 4x8 or was it just the top? I believe you used Rockler product to build the base frame and then put a top on it? Can you enumerate the pieces used for the base structurer? Thanks
What is the height to the top of the MFT’s in your setup? Did you elect to maintain the 35” height which I believe is the height of the MFT when the legs are unfolded?
The one thing that I hate about MFTs as an Assembly Table is too often things fall through the holes and there’s no way to see where they bounce to. One of my next projects is a MFT under shelf with a lip around shelf’s edges.
You can get plugs from Benchdog tools (same UK company as the fence) that fit in the dog holes flush. There is a magnetic version to lift them out £10 for 10 or aluminium £8 for 10. Both cheaper if you get more.
I've just bought the parf guide system with fence and super dogs etc. And the aluminium profile to handle an 8x4 sheet of mrdf all for less than £700. I believe that's less than one mft. You could bump that £700 up to £1000 when I get my rail brackets.
I wish I had ordered the bracket right when I saw the video. You sold them out right away! Oh well, waiting list. It's always good to find interesting products from these smaller companies. I think you may have indirectly also pointed me towards the apron I am looking for. I only switched to the MFT/3 last week as part of building my new shop. I wasn't sure if I was going to do it, but I felt like I was wasting a little too much time for some cuts. I find the table works pretty well, but the brackets don't work quite as easily as they should. I wouldn't be shocked to see a big upgrade whenever there's an MFT/4. The MFT/3 brackets do work better than the ones on my old Kreg Master Cutting System table, but pretty much everything on that table has at least one little or big issue. The only thing the table had going was cut size, but I gave up on the build in track pretty quick because I simply could not trust it and because I had to use what was clearly a lesser track saw. The Kreg Cutting System is perhaps the Kreg-est of products, which is a discussion for another day. The system table only survives because it has holes and hasn't fallen apart, but that's on it's way to changing as the aluminum fatigues. The rest was shipped elsewhere.
hi. great work surface. i am curious about your method(s) for breaking down from 4x8 sheets. table saw? long track? 40" capacity for rips is great but i'm curious jow to get there first. Thanks in advance.
I’m just getting started with my shop development, so forgive the stupid questions… how do you get a custom sized frame like you have, and from where do you source the MFT tops? Thanks so much. Your video was extremely helpful!
Is this a set up for cross cuts only and the rip cuts you use the parallel guides? Does that mean you won’t use the table saw for final cuts. Also from your tool video you recommended the uniklamp. Do you prefer this for smaller task because it’s better than Revo jr?
Jason, instead of moving the fence for shorter cuts, why not flip the fence around and keep it mounted in the dog holes nearest to you? As if it were a miter gauge. This way it doesn't matter if you go from cross cutting 12 inches or 40 inches.
@@JayBergCustoms Thanks! Wanting to build my own table at some point for my Makita track saw. Festool is out of my budget range but I like the MFT concept.
I would love to have this set up. I think maybe I could start with one and add on. As well as start with one and maybe make my own for the other two sides. The accuracy is worth the time to set it up and the original cost to build it. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Jason, quick question. I see you went away from the Rockler Stand approach for your mitre station and cabinets and also note you're rebuilding your cross-cut station base. As I'm outfitting a new garage shop, just wondering if you were unhappy with the Rockler solution outside of the inefficient dimensions for the cross-cut base you mentioned in the video? Thanks much.
@@bentswoodworking I am planning on creating something very similar but out of extruded aluminum which I’ll custom order to size. Could I impose on you and ask what the dimensions are of the 3 joined MFTs (length and width)? If not, no worries at all.
That will be my plan, as well. The pieces from Dashboard (TONS of accessories) and the Bench Dogs Fence look awesome. If I may ask, what tracks did you use on the sides (vertical ) to connect with the Dashboard pieces? Their website was difficult to find the specs for the desired tracks which fit their pieces. One little add-on I would like to do is use a few 1/4" MDF sacrificial inserts (one crosscut and one rip) dovetailed into the surface of the top. WAY too much work to build a Paulk bench then cut a bunch of slices into the top. The dovetail inserts was an idea I found on the WoodKnight's YT channel where he built a CC sled. Did you use the Parf Guide system to set up the grid for the dog holes?
Jason, again this is awesome! I will build this! Please, please, please make a drawing with details when you produce the new base! By the way I tried to order the metal benches from Rockler that you used on this original base. They are out of stock!
This set up is awesome! I made the same one but built a 2x4 & plywood base with locking wheels and added leg levelers. This table is so versatile. I can also store all my tools underneath, assemble cabinets on top and break down 8 foot plywood sheets into smalller sizes to handle solo on my table saw. It’s a little pricey but you will earn your money back with the amount of different setups and time saved! Genius!
Awesome video man. You always explain everything to a T. That setup is a dream for most. Shit I just want a festool tracksaw let alone a entire setup like that. Thumbs up
The set up arrows are from dashboard pws but they aren’t needed in this set up. The track is square off the fence not the mft top. Albeit minor variances
Excellent video. Thank you! I'm about to make a new bench, and I have a board room door that I am going to use as my top. It is almost perfectly flat, and is solid (quality) particle board. It's got a lot of mass. And a exceptionally nice lament surface. I was going to split it to have a 2 to 3" channel, like a split Roubo top (Wood Whisperer), for clamping options. The big thing that I need, is bottom side storage! What I am going to do now, is pick the exterior dimensions of this table to 3 MFT tops, organized the same as you. Don't know if I will follow your lead here. But, want to make sure my cabinet base will allow it nicely! thank you, again.
Hi Jason, As a longtime subscriber, I have benefited from many of your unbiased woodworking insights. I’m interested in expanding my tool arsenal by including a portable workbench. While viewing your episode, “Most expensive assembly table”, you featured the Dashboard PWS Track Bracket. After visiting their website, I was intrigued by their “Shortcut” workbench. It shares similar dimensions to Festool’s MFT3, a lighter carrying weight of 45lbs (20.4kg) and offers a seemingly sturdier construction. Like you I have own many of Festools products but would welcome your thoughts/advice regarding my pursuit of Dashboard’s PWS Shortcut workbench.
Very nice and thanks for the video. I have a similar setup utilizing 2 MFTs connected together and set on top of a rolling base. This allows me to slide sheet goods from the back of my pickup through my shop doors directly onto the table for easier handling and breakdown. I would like to have 3 MFTs like yours, but my shop space could not handle the increased footprint. These systems work very well.
Love your site. It's a fantastic place for gaining knowledge. In your Ultimate Assembly TH-cam you didn't mention cutting 4 x 8 sheet goods. If you had the right length rail - would that be possible? I guess that would be called a rip cut vs cross cut. Appreciate your input.
You could but then you would need a much larger table. It wouldn’t be easy to manipulate. I rip all my plywood first on the table just with a long rail. Then I move to cross cutting everything with this setup
Multi function table. MFT/3 is an Festool product. You can buy the tops mail order from other people for about £50 here in the UK. You and also rout or drill the 20mm holes in 96mm grid your self in MDF or ply. Peter Millard has a good set of videos.
You are an amazing mentor, Jason! If I want to follow your shop setup like I have been doing, I need to start writing my Santa letter from January. Happy holidays!
Great video! I also was wondering if you had an opinion on the TSO MFT Aligned Guide Rail Support Upgrade Kit? It doesn't seem quite as robust as the Dashboard upgrade, but seems like a reasonable lower price option. Thanks!
Jason, I am new to woodworking. I've watched many of your videos. You provide so much useful information! Today I would like to ask what brand the base of your work table is. I would also like to know what brand the side rails are. I know you use a Festool MFT surface. Please answer me asap as I would love to get a table built asap.
Hey mate, great explanation My question - I'm torn between buying the benchdogs fence, or their rail square with repeat stop. As I'm a hobbyist, I presume I'll be making most use of the square + stop, but I imagine it's slightly inferior for cabinet grade work to a solid, squared fence. Have you tried this repeat stop and how does it compare to the fence?
@@bentswoodworking Great to know that all the parts can be purchased in the USA, and this is a sound idea. Does your worktable have side clamping options or dog holes on the sides?
Great vid, thanks. What length guide rail are you using-1400 mm? I noticed that you’re cutting parallel to the long side of the MFTs so I assume the 1080 that comes with the full-meal-deal MFT is too short (since it’s meant for cutting perpendicular to the long side). Edit: Never mind. I can see in a screen capture that 1400 is printed on the rail.
Love the design! I was wondering what your solution for cutting angled cuts with that set up would be since the original MFT accessories offered that solution and the Dash-Board is only for 90-degree cuts?
My ultimate question is, if you already owned a 55 inch Festool track, would you purchase just the MFT3 or get the MFT3 kit if you plan to upgrade to the Dash-Board Guide Rail Brackets?
When setting up your table, did you consider just buying a Dash-Board PWS, and if so, what led you a different direction? Thanks! Love the channel and thank you for your service!!!
After much consideration I have decided to move to using metric measurements as my standard in the shop. Curious what your opinion is on the highest quality measurement and marking tools offered in metric. Thx, always enjoy you content.
More like a cut table , than an Assembly table i’ve had my MFT set up for wider cuts for years I can get a full sheet of plywood in there why are you limited to 40 inches ?
I am going to do this and I will set it up so I am 1/8” below my table saw and use the right unabstructed area of the table as my out feed. I am setting my table-saw with the Incra fence and router table all in one. I can throw a 1” thick piece of insulation on top of the 3 MFTs and use it for my track saw table. This will allow me to have a very productive island in the center of my shop.
Hi Jason, purchased my table now starting to build my cabinets. Can you tell me what product the initial triangles are that you used to set up the track?
Jason, the fence support piece you position at the cut line. First, why do you feel it necessary? Is it integral to the measuring system and second, how did you position it so the saw blade does not strike it. Just it bit more detail, please.
Awesome build! @bent I know you’re working to replace the Rockler build it kits you used for the base but do you mind sharing what you ended up ordering from them to make this base?
Looks to me that you could have used the dashboard table setup and accomplished the same or slightly better work surface. Both setups are extremely pricey though.
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A little known option, Festool sells the MFT side rails in different lengths, I got some 1900mm side rails, which just replace the standard 800 rail on my older MFT 800 table, this gave me the length of two tables connected together, for the small cost of the long side rail (around $100) and the cost of an additional MFT top. I added a bit of 3/4 oak to fill,the gap between the two tops to get a replaceable wear strip. You can do something similar with the current new MFT tables.
Dashboard makes some great accessories for their version of the MFT table, many of which will work on the Festool MFT table setup, including a fence system similar to the Benchdog fence, for less $. I recently added the Dashboard Surface mount fence, which uses locking dogs to align and lock the fence down. Works quite well, and gives the option of using it with their Track Stars, to get wider cuts on s standard width MFT table. I can get up to 30-inch wide cross cuts, with material fully supported.
Cheers
The one overriding feature to the MFT is that it is precisely aligned at the factory. Every hole is precisely aligned to every other hole on the table. The holes are precisely drilled to 20mm. the entire table is this way. THAT means that you can buy it, set it up and start to work without ever worrying about this stuff. I made my own table, larger than the MFT, but the amount of effort it took to make sure that everything I did ended up with the same precision as the Festool table was, in the end, not worth it. Just buy the table, and get to work. A 3hp Sawstop saw in 5 grand these days and no one even blinks for that. A Robust American Beauty lathe is north of 10 grand!! So, buy the table and be happy.
Dumb question but I can only find the fence in 1000 or 1200 mm. I would like 1350 to 1400 in one piece but don't see it.
If you use the TSO triangle to check for square, you don't really need to use those plastic arrows, right?
No not really but they come with it. It also isn’t required to use the square. It is just something I like to do and wanted to show it.
If you use the plastic arrows do you need to use the square as well to ensure "squareness"?
Measure twice, cut once
It puts the cut line in the same place every time, so over time you don't end up with a wider cutline below which would allow more tear-out. The main benefit of the square is to show that the dog holes are at 90 degrees, making the fence at 90 degrees
A great work bench for sure! The game changer for me was making an MFT style top on a hydraulic lift table. The ability of raising and lowering your worksurface/whatever is on it, has been the bomb. Thanks for your videos/knowledge!
That sounds awesome!!
What hydraulic lift table did you use?
The part that confuses me: Why align the track with your reference arrows, then throw that alignment away and redo it with the large triangle? I can justify double checking with the triangle (in my experience the bench dog holes are set up perfectly so any 90 degree set up will be 90 degrees). If you don't intend to use the bench dog holes for alignment, why not go straight to the triangle?
This might cost me, I really like the Dashboard PWS, Festools version always struck me as cheaply built.
I caught this also. I was wondering the same thing. Hopefully he’ll read and answer.
It isn’t required. I just wanted to show the system as it’s sold. And then also share a trick that I have used over the past year. The don’t both have to be done.
@@bentswoodworking Update: I did cost me money. LOL
Another great video, Jason. Nice work!
Having used a home made Ron Paulk style for a couple of years I'm about to invest $$$$ in the Byington-inspired system very similar to yours.
I've already got the excellent Benchdogs UK fence and equally great Dash-Board rail arm.
I'm currently considering whether to buy the well-designed Dash-Board PWS table or invest in multiple MFTs as you did. I note you have a Dash-Board track star as well.
Did you consider investing in the Dash-Board table as an alternative? I'm guessing you went for multiple MFTs because of the larger overall cutting and assembly workspace it provided.
One thing that appealed to me about the Dash-board table is that Rob at Dash-board also sells an accessory intended to hold doors/windows vertically that would be very useful for dealing with. That feature would need to be built into the cabinetry for your set up, and I was wondering if you were thinking about adding a similar feature into your upcoming cabinet base rebuild.
I am very intrigued by his setup, however the size is why I chose to go this route.
Jason - Great description. Love the setup! For those concerned about the cut into the MFT, you could always route out a 3/4” by 1/2” deep or so dado and make a replaceable insert to go into the table. Going to look into those Dash components for my shop! Thanks and have a great holiday!
Glad you found it helpful
I built the exact setup earlier this year. I build a lot of cabinets and this setup has been absolutely amazing. It was worth every penny and have not one single regret. I did contact bench dogs and had a custom fence made that is around 80" so i could make longer repeatable cuts. Also the new metal flag stops from Benchdogs are way nicer than the original, highly recommend them.
I have one, just need to put it on.
I still have just the one MFT. And I'm definitely still considering getting a second. Probably will. But when I watch this video and see how much capacity you have on that table... It makes me want to save my quarters. LOL
There is really nice. It’s basically a 4x8 table.
Great Vid - thanks. One of the (few) downsides to the MFT3 design, is that if you place the tables side by side as you have, the holes in adjacent tables are not exactly 96mm apart between the two tables. If you were to make a new top using parf sticks, you can have a single tabletop piece spanning all three tables, sitting in the tables by scoring the underside of the tables along the edges where the festool profile prevent the original tops from moving, then the whole thing can be set up at 96mm spacings.
That’s a valid point however I have never had a scenario that it impacted me negatively
I have almost the same set up. one MFT turned the "wrong way" like yours, and then I bought two long side profiles from Festool and made in into one table (not 3). I have clamping on all 4 sides and one unbroken MDF surface with dog holes only where I need them (made with the Parf Guide). Finally I build in a routerlift in one end.
Great video. Just ordered my 3 MTFs, and trying to orders your other supply list.
Question - those arrows to line it up between the dog holes - do you remember where you purchased them?
Thanks!!
Hey Jason, I’ve been a subscriber for a while, and I have a few things I’d like to say. The conciseness in your videos is unmatched. Your video about inset hinges inspired me to build a full set of shop cabinets. All your tips I took to heart, and they helped me so much. In regard to this video, I’m fortunate enough to replicate what you have with the MFTs and the cross cut tools. You are humble, even though you have millions of dollars of tools (probably). I sincerely appreciate your content and looking forward to what the future holds. Best.
TSO sells the UJK Parf system to make your own MFT style table top and then make your own table with the side track system you want that is compatible with PWS system.
Fantastic , Love it. I own the dashboard and bench dog rigs . Only difference I used the the part guid system to build out my table. I used the Rockler table set ups . If I had the means I would do the three MFT's I like your rig. I think the dashboard products are just great and he is a small business and I love that he brought his ideas to market .
Yes, it’s a very well thought out design for sure.
I've seen folks who rout an 8 mm dado into their MFT top and then cut a piece of MDF to put in it with a press fit. That way they're cutting into the sacrificial piece, not the MFT top. When that strip starts to get sloppy, they simply cut a new strip and replace the old one.
How about adding a second dashboard guide rail adapter along the short side and doing rip cuts with it in lieu of parallel guides? I am about to build a similar set up but will be using 1.5 in. 8020 extrusion and MDF with formica top. FYI Microjig and Festool clamps work perfectly in the 8020 extrusion. Just saw below that Festool will sell you just the rails. Interesting.
The time of this video is perfect because I have watched your other video a few times this week. I have been searching for ideas on a new assembly table for my shop. Owning 2 MFTs drew me to this setup.
Does the space under the MFT provide enough space to easily put your hand in there and grab tools? Also, I’m very interested in how your new base for this setup is going designed. Thanks for the excellent videos and impeccable detail explaining you provide.
Yes, I store many things underneath it
I went on line tried to find the 1450mm fence could not find this length was it discontinued ? Settled on the 1200mm
Not sure 🤔
Yeah, i'm in the same boat.
The Dashboard F2 Surface mount fence (uses locking dogs to mount to the table top) comes in a 1390mm length. 😊
Your setup is really nice! But I am confused about the comment that if you cut over the aluminum channel there would be tearout. And therefore cutting on the table’s MDF surface is preferred. Do you not use the replaceable tearout strip on the track to prevent tearout on the bottom side of your cut?
I finally have an MFT. I don’t think I would do 3 of them. But I can definitely see the benefit of having two. Yesterday I was cutting some. Having the greater crosscut capacity would be really nice.
I’m curious why you like the bench dogs fence over the Festool fence? So far my biggest issue with the Festool one is not having a ruler on it.
I opted for the benchdogs fence as well because the festool fence wasn't very sturdy, which threw off square.
That's an outstanding setup, but admittedly beyond my paygrade as a hobbyist. Still, the functionality and layout gives me a few nuggets to use when I build my bench. Thanks for sharing, Jason. 👍🤜
Glad you found it helpful
Really slick setup. Looking forward to seeing what improvements you make for your new assembly table. I have been looking at the dashboard track mounts myself for my MFT table. Appreciate your demo of them. Best of luck on your new table build and thanks for the great video.
Glad you found it helpful
So cool, this equipment is way overkill for my skill level, but if I had the money I would buy it all.
I had no idea there were aftermarket track brackets. That's a game changer for me, as I don't want to buy an MFT. I can fashion my own for far cheaper even with the additional cost of the track bracket and some 80/20. Excellent video, thanks Jason!
They are fantastic!
Are you still utilizing the assembly table for these types of crosscuts after getting the sliding table saw? Not that I'm thinking about a sliding table saw - just curious how the work and the thought process changes as tools change.
Thanks for the mention. Glad you’re enjoying the RAB items. I love my Dashboard brackets as well. They are so nice to use. No complaints whatsoever.
They are awesome!
GREAT Channel - I'm in the process of fine tuning my skills for building kitchen cabinets and maybe do more as a side gig. I'm a big fan of Festool and I bought the Festool MFT but I'm disappointed in the track hinge - it comes out of square way to easily. I like the fence you use, but wanted to see your thoughts on the TSO upgrade kit ? - great videos - thanks for producing these!
Another awesome video, I love this setup and will be doing something similar in the future. Thank you for sharing.
You’re welcome
Jason, really enjoy your content. Question regarding your assembly table. What is the height of the Rockler legs you used? I have an uneven basement floor and like the idea of adjustable legs; something I wish Festool would improve on their MFTs. One adjustable leg isn't going to cut it. Thanks
Oh man! You just saved me $700…I really wanted the adjustable track thing and that dashboard accessory fits the bill
Hello Jason, I'm not sure if you get notified of comments to older videos, but I have a quick question. I want to order the fence system and Benchdog does not make the 1450 mm version any longer. They only have 1000 mm or connecting two of them to make a 2000 mm fence. What is your advice? Will 1000 mm be enough or should I consider connecting to fences and cutting off the second fence to make it 1450 mm. Thank
Why not route a small channel into the table top and add like mdf strips into them. Then you can replace them as needed
I’m not too worried about cutting into the surface
Under half a minute to set up without having to explain exactly what you are doing and why is pretty fast in my book
Jason. Great video! Where would i purchase the small black triangles and bench dogs?
Where did you pick up those alignment arrows you referenced at about the 6min mark in this video? Thank you!
Can someone provide me with the specific imperial fence I would buy (plus stop) in the US? Website is a bit confusing.
why not just have one large cnc’d or large sheet of Valchromat . love the accessories..
Now I understand why you threw $15-$20k and bought slider.
how make my table very flat MFT ? ITS CURVE NOW
I have my three MFTs and they are oriented as yours are. I am installing the BD rail system. Now my next project is the base. In the video you mentioned that the base is 4x8 or was it just the top? I believe you used Rockler product to build the base frame and then put a top on it? Can you enumerate the pieces used for the base structurer? Thanks
The 48” brackets and the legs are 18” if I remember correctly. The are the shorter of the two options they have
What is the height to the top of the MFT’s in your setup? Did you elect to maintain the 35” height which I believe is the height of the MFT when the legs are unfolded?
About 38”
The one thing that I hate about MFTs as an Assembly Table is too often things fall through the holes and there’s no way to see where they bounce to. One of my next projects is a MFT under shelf with a lip around shelf’s edges.
You can get plugs from Benchdog tools (same UK company as the fence) that fit in the dog holes flush. There is a magnetic version to lift them out £10 for 10 or aluminium £8 for 10. Both cheaper if you get more.
What exactly is the point of the arrows? Couldn't you just bump the track up against the dogs themselves?
The arrows offset the cut to be between dog holes
I've just bought the parf guide system with fence and super dogs etc. And the aluminium profile to handle an 8x4 sheet of mrdf all for less than £700. I believe that's less than one mft. You could bump that £700 up to £1000 when I get my rail brackets.
Which aluminium profile did you use? Will it fit the Dashboard rail guide and other Festool accessories? Thanks.
I wish I had ordered the bracket right when I saw the video. You sold them out right away! Oh well, waiting list.
It's always good to find interesting products from these smaller companies. I think you may have indirectly also pointed me towards the apron I am looking for.
I only switched to the MFT/3 last week as part of building my new shop. I wasn't sure if I was going to do it, but I felt like I was wasting a little too much time for some cuts. I find the table works pretty well, but the brackets don't work quite as easily as they should. I wouldn't be shocked to see a big upgrade whenever there's an MFT/4.
The MFT/3 brackets do work better than the ones on my old Kreg Master Cutting System table, but pretty much everything on that table has at least one little or big issue. The only thing the table had going was cut size, but I gave up on the build in track pretty quick because I simply could not trust it and because I had to use what was clearly a lesser track saw. The Kreg Cutting System is perhaps the Kreg-est of products, which is a discussion for another day. The system table only survives because it has holes and hasn't fallen apart, but that's on it's way to changing as the aluminum fatigues. The rest was shipped elsewhere.
I don’t think there will be a wait list for too long. This is definitely worth the wait
hi. great work surface. i am curious about your method(s) for breaking down from 4x8 sheets. table saw? long track? 40" capacity for rips is great but i'm curious jow to get there first. Thanks in advance.
Check out my video I recently posted on breaking down sheet goods.
I’m just getting started with my shop development, so forgive the stupid questions… how do you get a custom sized frame like you have, and from where do you source the MFT tops? Thanks so much. Your video was extremely helpful!
These are MFTs from Festool. The based was constructed using metal stands from Rockler.
I think I might try this since I already have 2 mft tables. Also, where did you get your hoodie? Thanks!!
I got it from Festool.
Why use the triangles if you are going to use the big triangle later? I guess just to show optional methods
Is this a set up for cross cuts only and the rip cuts you use the parallel guides? Does that mean you won’t use the table saw for final cuts. Also from your tool video you recommended the uniklamp. Do you prefer this for smaller task because it’s better than Revo jr?
I have a video on my process for breaking down panels. It was a couple weeks ago.
Great set up, I wish I could build one too. MFT tables in Israel are close to $3000 USD each (yup)!.
Wow that’s crazy!
Jason, instead of moving the fence for shorter cuts, why not flip the fence around and keep it mounted in the dog holes nearest to you? As if it were a miter gauge. This way it doesn't matter if you go from cross cutting 12 inches or 40 inches.
That’s a good idea
why did you have to go through the initial alignment with the arrows. I would have seen how accurate that was.
Does the hinge work on other tracks or just on the MFT?
I've looked a their website, and they do show specifics on t-slot sizing and spacing for the hinge to work. So short answer is yes.
@@JayBergCustoms Thanks! Wanting to build my own table at some point for my Makita track saw. Festool is out of my budget range but I like the MFT concept.
I think he has different setups for different situations
I would love to have this set up. I think maybe I could start with one and add on. As well as start with one and maybe make my own for the other two sides. The accuracy is worth the time to set it up and the original cost to build it. Thanks for sharing.
Nothing wrong with building up over time. 👍👍
Hi Jason, quick question. I see you went away from the Rockler Stand approach for your mitre station and cabinets and also note you're rebuilding your cross-cut station base. As I'm outfitting a new garage shop, just wondering if you were unhappy with the Rockler solution outside of the inefficient dimensions for the cross-cut base you mentioned in the video? Thanks much.
No issues with them. I think they are a great solution. I just want a more traditional cabinet and my needs have changed
@@bentswoodworking I am planning on creating something very similar but out of extruded aluminum which I’ll custom order to size. Could I impose on you and ask what the dimensions are of the 3 joined MFTs (length and width)? If not, no worries at all.
Let me show you how fast this is, jumps frames LMAO 🤣, but seriouslynice video
Glad you found it helpful
You inspired my setup. Same equipment but I did a paulk style table to save some cash
That will be my plan, as well. The pieces from Dashboard (TONS of accessories) and the Bench Dogs Fence look awesome. If I may ask, what tracks did you use on the sides (vertical ) to connect with the Dashboard pieces? Their website was difficult to find the specs for the desired tracks which fit their pieces.
One little add-on I would like to do is use a few 1/4" MDF sacrificial inserts (one crosscut and one rip) dovetailed into the surface of the top. WAY too much work to build a Paulk bench then cut a bunch of slices into the top. The dovetail inserts was an idea I found on the WoodKnight's YT channel where he built a CC sled.
Did you use the Parf Guide system to set up the grid for the dog holes?
Nice!!
Jason, again this is awesome! I will build this! Please, please, please make a drawing with details when you produce the new base! By the way I tried to order the metal benches from Rockler that you used on this original base. They are out of stock!
On the new one I don’t plan on using the Rockler bases. 👍
This set up is awesome! I made the same one but built a 2x4 & plywood base with locking wheels and added leg levelers. This table is so versatile. I can also store all my tools underneath, assemble cabinets on top and break down 8 foot plywood sheets into smalller sizes to handle solo on my table saw. It’s a little pricey but you will earn your money back with the amount of different setups and time saved! Genius!
I agree, expensive but I don’t regret it for a second
When you re-build your base, you should totally make your own custom MFT. I think it would be a very popular video, and most people could relate.
It would be cool but I don’t know if I will do that cause then I would have MFTs to get rig of 🤣
Nice setup! I saw the dashboard line has a work table. How do you like it vs. the 3XMFT setup?
I couldn’t say, I do t have any experience with his table.
could prob get rid of the table saw and miter saw with this
Awesome video man. You always explain everything to a T. That setup is a dream for most. Shit I just want a festool tracksaw let alone a entire setup like that. Thumbs up
Thank you. Glad you found it helpful
Jason, can you please share where you got those set up arrows? I just got my first MFT/3 and I now realize I want one of each item in this video.
The set up arrows are from dashboard pws but they aren’t needed in this set up. The track is square off the fence not the mft top. Albeit minor variances
Excellent video. Thank you! I'm about to make a new bench, and I have a board room door that I am going to use as my top. It is almost perfectly flat, and is solid (quality) particle board. It's got a lot of mass. And a exceptionally nice lament surface.
I was going to split it to have a 2 to 3" channel, like a split Roubo top (Wood Whisperer), for clamping options. The big thing that I need, is bottom side storage! What I am going to do now, is pick the exterior dimensions of this table to 3 MFT tops, organized the same as you. Don't know if I will follow your lead here. But, want to make sure my cabinet base will allow it nicely!
thank you, again.
Sounds like a good plan.
Maybe I missed it in the video, how did you attach the MFT to your work piece?
I don’t attach it to the work piece
You know I was in the Army for awhile and I know you are still in the Army. We must have had different paychecks. Haha just kidding nice video.
Lol. I put all my money building furniture back into my shop. If the Army paid that well I wouldn’t be retiring 🤣
@@bentswoodworking haha well I was a young 11b in the barracks and single. So you know where my money went.
14:58. You mean Ben didn't make plans for it. Has he done any plans for you yet?
Lol no he sure hasn’t
Hi Jason, As a longtime subscriber, I have benefited from many of your unbiased woodworking insights. I’m interested in expanding my tool arsenal by including a portable workbench.
While viewing your episode, “Most expensive assembly table”, you featured the Dashboard PWS Track Bracket. After visiting their website, I was intrigued by their “Shortcut” workbench. It shares similar dimensions to Festool’s MFT3, a lighter carrying weight of 45lbs (20.4kg) and offers a seemingly sturdier construction.
Like you I have own many of Festools products but would welcome your thoughts/advice regarding my pursuit of Dashboard’s PWS Shortcut workbench.
Very nice and thanks for the video. I have a similar setup utilizing 2 MFTs connected together and set on top of a rolling base. This allows me to slide sheet goods from the back of my pickup through my shop doors directly onto the table for easier handling and breakdown. I would like to have 3 MFTs like yours, but my shop space could not handle the increased footprint. These systems work very well.
I almost just did two initially
Love your site. It's a fantastic place for gaining knowledge. In your Ultimate Assembly TH-cam you didn't mention cutting 4 x 8 sheet goods. If you had the right length rail - would that be possible? I guess that would be called a rip cut vs cross cut. Appreciate your input.
You could but then you would need a much larger table. It wouldn’t be easy to manipulate. I rip all my plywood first on the table just with a long rail. Then I move to cross cutting everything with this setup
@@bentswoodworking Yup - I've since seen that in your plywood cutting video.
Lost me right at the start....what is an MFT? Is that the top? The part with all the holes? I have never seen that particular acronym before.
Multi function table. MFT/3 is an Festool product.
You can buy the tops mail order from other people for about £50 here in the UK. You and also rout or drill the 20mm holes in 96mm grid your self in MDF or ply. Peter Millard has a good set of videos.
You are an amazing mentor, Jason! If I want to follow your shop setup like I have been doing, I need to start writing my Santa letter from January. Happy holidays!
Glad you found it helpful!
@@bentswoodworking Does the TSO large square worth the top $s?
@@rnmaa1914 yes!
@@bentswoodworking would love to see a 5 minute video on this when you can please
Great explanation. Very well thought out system. Thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome
I can’t bring myself to buy a rickety MFT…A set up from the dashboard company must be equally expensive. Worth it… I’m saving up
Great video! I also was wondering if you had an opinion on the TSO MFT Aligned Guide Rail Support Upgrade Kit? It doesn't seem quite as robust as the Dashboard upgrade, but seems like a reasonable lower price option. Thanks!
Jason, I am new to woodworking. I've watched many of your videos. You provide so much useful information! Today I would like to ask what brand the base of your work table is. I would also like to know what brand the side rails are. I know you use a Festool MFT surface. Please answer me asap as I would love to get a table built asap.
Hey mate, great explanation
My question - I'm torn between buying the benchdogs fence, or their rail square with repeat stop. As I'm a hobbyist, I presume I'll be making most use of the square + stop, but I imagine it's slightly inferior for cabinet grade work to a solid, squared fence. Have you tried this repeat stop and how does it compare to the fence?
Isn't this a variation of Peter Millard's work top?
It is an MFT which is what he also has
@@bentswoodworking Great to know that all the parts can be purchased in the USA, and this is a sound idea. Does your worktable have side clamping options or dog holes on the sides?
@@bentswoodworking Did you also consider the EZ One bridge depicted at th-cam.com/video/c3LwNSgn-q0/w-d-xo.html
Great vid, thanks. What length guide rail are you using-1400 mm? I noticed that you’re cutting parallel to the long side of the MFTs so I assume the 1080 that comes with the full-meal-deal MFT is too short (since it’s meant for cutting perpendicular to the long side).
Edit: Never mind. I can see in a screen capture that 1400 is printed on the rail.
I’m what capacity do you you use the dashboard track stars?
Longer cross cuts
Love the design! I was wondering what your solution for cutting angled cuts with that set up would be since the original MFT accessories offered that solution and the Dash-Board is only for 90-degree cuts?
My ultimate question is, if you already owned a 55 inch Festool track, would you purchase just the MFT3 or get the MFT3 kit if you plan to upgrade to the Dash-Board Guide Rail Brackets?
Just the MFT. I would use other means for angles. 👍
When setting up your table, did you consider just buying a Dash-Board PWS, and if so, what led you a different direction? Thanks! Love the channel and thank you for your service!!!
After much consideration I have decided to move to using metric measurements as my standard in the shop. Curious what your opinion is on the highest quality measurement and marking tools offered in metric. Thx, always enjoy you content.
More like a cut table , than an Assembly table i’ve had my MFT set up for wider cuts for years I can get a full sheet of plywood in there why are you limited to 40 inches ?
How do you initially line up the dog holes so that they are straight from table to table?
They are naturally in line with each other
I had emailed Jason a while back for this exact information. I am impressed with it so far.
Glad you are enjoying it
At 10.57, when you use the triangle to check for square… what was the point of using the dogs and arrows earlier if you’re doing to do that?
I am going to do this and I will set it up so I am 1/8” below my table saw and use the right unabstructed area of the table as my out feed. I am setting my table-saw with the Incra fence and router table all in one. I can throw a 1” thick piece of insulation on top of the 3 MFTs and use it for my track saw table. This will allow me to have a very productive island in the center of my shop.
Did you use the Festool connection to attach each table to the other?
I did
Hi Jason, purchased my table now starting to build my cabinets. Can you tell me what product the initial triangles are that you used to set up the track?
Jason, the fence support piece you position at the cut line. First, why do you feel it necessary? Is it integral to the measuring system and second, how did you position it so the saw blade does not strike it. Just it bit more detail, please.
Sawstop table = $3000
Festool saw + three MFT/3 tables = $3000
So, how expensive is it really?
Enjoyed your video.
BTW I've seen many MFTs that have a replaceable insert in a routed out groove instead of cutting into the top.
I considered that before but I don’t mind cutting into it
You can get them mail order in the UK with a 6mm thick insert fixed by double sided tape.
Awesome build! @bent I know you’re working to replace the Rockler build it kits you used for the base but do you mind sharing what you ended up ordering from them to make this base?
I am setting up my shop to be really similar to this with 3 mfts as well
Nice
Looks to me that you could have used the dashboard table setup and accomplished the same or slightly better work surface. Both setups are extremely pricey though.