The dream of owning a Kitfox seems that much more attainable now. Thanks for the video. Feedback: The engine you have pictured is a Lycoming not a Rotax!
and that dream died for me, im a electrical engineer and even if i safe up as much as possible, no way will I be able to afford 12k$ or 10k€ a year just for a plane. That would be 1/3 of my yearly after tax salary
@@maestro1947 Well there is also life with housing, food, insurance, car, taxes... and maybe a family. I'm with A Fox here... I am staggered at the cost of even a simple plane like this! It has to be the "one true love" for most people, probably, but not many people would or could pay these costs just for a fun hobby on the side.
That channel is fucking awesome. I’m starting my PPL over in Europe next year, planning on buying a ultralight for the beginning. Would appreciate such videos for a JMB VL3 or maybe for some electric planes!
Love one with an O-200 engine. Not the STi. Kitfoxes aren't Bearhawks. Wouldn't trust on for serious bush flying. But a nice, slow round the patch taildragger would be fun. Either a speedster or a super sport.
A hangar wouldnt be a problem for me since i kinda have one. I would just need to cut a runway through a thick patch of cedars i have. Someday. Someday
Great video! Would love to see one on an Aerotrek A240/220 kind of similar to this plane. And thank for the cost both ways (hanger/no hanger) cause if you don’t live at an airpark you need a place to store it! With that said I know you could trailer store it with the folding wings! (At least on the Aerotrek) Thank you!
As they look pretty nice and fun to fly, and the wings fold for more hanger space, I would like to own one. But it seems like a bit of a hassle to build it and wait a while to get the money to build it.
@@moteroargentino7944 very true, I hope to have enough money so I can buy a modest house but with a good sized property, and enough money so I can own cool stuff like this so I can have some fun every now and then.
Great summary! Our annual inspection cost has been much higher with another rotax powered plane (unrelated to airframe). And we are very grateful that we have a skilled rotax mechanic. Since owning have also needed to replace ELT, tran$ponder, intercom, install AD$-B, and send the radio in for $ervice.
How about the Sling TSi? It’s another kit build in high demand which runs the 915ti motor on car gas. They are just about to release the high wing version which could either be a tricycle or rail dragged too.
Love the channel and every video is very informative. I really don’t understand the high hanger costs mentioned since my closed hangar with automated Bi-Fold door only costs me $100 (given I live in the countryside in Midwest). Would be a good to know where you are getting the hangar costs and what type of hangers are these. Not to be negative but these high costs if not accurate can turn a lot of new owners away from the wonderful community of GA. Great channel, keep up the good work sir.
Hi, all the numbers are averages. Hanger rental where I am is 1100/month. I get equal comments saying the hanger cost it too high and too low. Thanks for watching!
Kitfox’s are great, but I bought the now ex-wife a 2013 Aerotrek A220 and then bought myself a 2021 Aerotrek A220. It is a factory-built SLSA modeled after the Avid Flyer (the predecessor to the Kitfox). It’s made in the Czech Republic and imported by Aerotrek. It weighs 673# empty, takes off and lands in 250’ to 300’ (with the full 21 gallons of fuel and 190# pilot), has a top speed of 123-125 MPH. The stick moves control rods like the Kitfox. This gives it a quick/precise feel like a Van’s RV. Gross weight is 1225, so Useful Load is 552. 21 gallons of 91 unleaded weighs 126, so I have 426# left for people and stuff. I’m 190# with my boots, wallet, headset and Ipad, so I can carry 226 additional pounds. The girlfriend is 135, purse-included and I think the max baggage is either 50 or 60 pounds, so all-in, we’re 31# under gross. Note- Many Carbon Cub owner’s convert their SLSA’s that have a gross weight of 1320# into Experimental’s, then fly them at a higher weight and note in the logbook that it handled well on takeoff, landing and in various flight conditions. My understanding is that this increases the legal Useful Load. I was told by a FSDO that I could do this to a SuperSTOL that I had a few years ago-but please do your own research. I did add spoilers to the SuperSTOLL wings and made such a logbook entry. IIRC, I was limited to about a 25 mile radius for the first 5 hours. At one time I had a 180 HP 1993 Cubcrafter’s SuperCub, a 2014 100HP SuperSTOL, the Ex’s 2013 100HP Aerotrek, and an awesome 2014 Van’s RV7. I flew the Aerotrek more often than all of the others combined. My record was 11 days in a row. My ex went from zero experience and not even liking planes, to solo in her A220 in 21 hours! I am in no way affiliated with Aerotrek, but I have had a wonderful experience with mine and with Rob Rollison, the owner of Aerotrek and with his mechanic James. I think a brand-new factory-built, certified A220 tail-wheeler or A240 nose-dragger is about $120,000 and takes about 9 months to get. There is a used A240 trike on Barnstormer’s today for $129,000. aerotrek.aero
I like in the city but have a very long skinny block 200 meters long 40 meters wide... If I just moved the house and the powerlines and chop down a few trees God dam I could fly to work. Set aside the fact I have to learn to fly.
No, You can't. You must have built the plane and hold the Repairman Certificate. You can find more info on it here: www.kitplanes.com/yearly-condition-inspection-part-i/
Yes! Kitfox will build and sell the Light Sport version. This video uses numbers for the Experimental Amateur Build version. But yes, LSA can 100% can be purchased built. Thanks for the comment !
You'd go to the trouble of creating a nice-ish custom video like that, but still misspell such basics as "hangar" (repeatedly) and "maintenance"? Did you completely Walkaround school?
Another fun review. But let's not pretend "car gas" is much better than aviation gas; in fact, it's probably LESS available because it doesn't mean REAL car gas AKA gasohol... which is the only thing you can buy anywhere I've driven for the last couple of decades (or more). GA is going to die unless the industry pulls its head out of its ass and makes engines that run on actual pump gas, or the U.S. government pulls its head out of its ass and stops subsidizing the asinine conversion of corn into inferior fuel. And even then... with the rampant corruption that's destroying our airports, and the price of ANY fuel... GA is most likely dead anyway. Sad.
Hi, Thanks for commenting. Are you saying you can't find 91 octane gas with no ethanol? Where about is that if you don't mind me asking, just curious. Thanks
@@CompleteWalkaround No, of course I don't mind. I haven't seen ethanol-free gas anywhere in the USA for at least 20 years, in L.A., Chicago, or anywhere else I can recall.
I appreciate the video but cost per hour for aviation is a complete antiquated joke. Nobody does that for any other form of power sport. Nobody takes their $80,000 truck or SXS and puts cost per hour or miles while factoring in the garage cost or insurance cost or engine rebuild or anything else. I really think this is an old archaic perspective that needs to change.
Hi, Thanks for the comment! Please let me know if there's a better way to estimate cost of operating airplanes. I would be happy to incorporate it in these videos. The goal of the channel is to help folks who trying to plan out airplane ownership and compare models. And for anyone who's just curious too of course. Thanks again
@@CompleteWalkaround I get it and understand trying to convey the costs to newbies. It just strikes me the wrong way when it’s converted into an hourly cost. Nothing you did just the general aviation consensus. The hourly cost practice is not found anywhere else Powersports related.
@@Captndarty I understand what you're saying and agree. I will try to convey in future videos that costs are just for comparison purposes and that folks really can't expect things to work out this way in reality. Very good point. Thanks again
I blame Trent Palmer for the shortage!
Yes! Trent is great ambassador.
Did you happen to run the registration number on the kitfox in the video? Wait - you probably already knew it by heart :)
I blame him for how much money I'm going to spend on one or many in my life. Haven't even started yet lol
I agree. If he hadn't made it so darn cool, then there would be more available. 😢😢
Minor quibble: you use a HANGER to hang your shirt. You need a HANGAR to store an airplane.
I would love to own a kit fox. I live about 45 minutes from where there made in homedale Idaho. And I've never been up close to one.
At the rate they're selling kits, Hopefully there will be a lot more around to see in the future.
So around the Boise area?
I love your videos. Very short, to the point and informative. Some channels have intros longer than your videos.
The dream of owning a Kitfox seems that much more attainable now. Thanks for the video.
Feedback: The engine you have pictured is a Lycoming not a Rotax!
and that dream died for me, im a electrical engineer and even if i safe up as much as possible, no way will I be able to afford 12k$ or 10k€ a year just for a plane. That would be 1/3 of my yearly after tax salary
@@afox5319 As an electrical engineer? Idk where you are working, but surely you could get paid more somewhere else!
@@maestro1947 Well there is also life with housing, food, insurance, car, taxes... and maybe a family. I'm with A Fox here... I am staggered at the cost of even a simple plane like this! It has to be the "one true love" for most people, probably, but not many people would or could pay these costs just for a fun hobby on the side.
These numbers are pretty accurate. I just know the more I fly it, the cheaper it becomes and the more fun I have!
Just going to say this, you are an excellent artist!
Theres one for sale right now on marketplace in Mattawa Ontario Canada for 100k $70 000 U.S.
That channel is fucking awesome.
I’m starting my PPL over in Europe next year, planning on buying a ultralight for the beginning. Would appreciate such videos for a JMB VL3 or maybe for some electric planes!
Love one with an O-200 engine.
Not the STi.
Kitfoxes aren't Bearhawks.
Wouldn't trust on for serious bush flying.
But a nice, slow round the patch taildragger would be fun.
Either a speedster or a super sport.
A hangar wouldnt be a problem for me since i kinda have one. I would just need to cut a runway through a thick patch of cedars i have. Someday. Someday
I'm currently restoring a kitfox 3 with a fazor motor and I plan on selling and getting another one for the Yamaha conversion
Very cool. You going to get a kit or another restoration project?
Great video! Would love to see one on an Aerotrek A240/220 kind of similar to this plane. And thank for the cost both ways (hanger/no hanger) cause if you don’t live at an airpark you need a place to store it! With that said I know you could trailer store it with the folding wings! (At least on the Aerotrek) Thank you!
Thanks for the reply and the request. I'll add it to the list
This video makes me want one that much more...
As they look pretty nice and fun to fly, and the wings fold for more hanger space, I would like to own one. But it seems like a bit of a hassle to build it and wait a while to get the money to build it.
As the say goes: those who have the money, don't have the time, and those who have the time, don't have the money.
@@moteroargentino7944 very true, I hope to have enough money so I can buy a modest house but with a good sized property, and enough money so I can own cool stuff like this so I can have some fun every now and then.
@@MRBONEZ-vz2vs when you get your property you'll have to learn to fly a paramotor!
You asked so nicely so I liked and subbed.
Also the video was great. I've mooned over the kitfox for years.
Great summary! Our annual inspection cost has been much higher with another rotax powered plane (unrelated to airframe). And we are very grateful that we have a skilled rotax mechanic. Since owning have also needed to replace ELT, tran$ponder, intercom, install AD$-B, and send the radio in for $ervice.
You need to do the Bearhawk 4 Place!! ❤❤
How about the Sling TSi? It’s another kit build in high demand which runs the 915ti motor on car gas. They are just about to release the high wing version which could either be a tricycle or rail dragged too.
Here you go! That was an easy one
th-cam.com/video/vpyL66M4HMI/w-d-xo.html
@@CompleteWalkaround Well, if that doesn’t earn ya a like and subscribe, I don’t know what would! Thanks!
@@goadamson Welcome aboard 🙂
So the useful load got me thinking of a riddle:
How can you fly two Kitfoxes to a location with only one pilot and one flight?
can you do an episode on the grumman goose
Sure can
Here it is th-cam.com/video/lHO3XxAOwdE/w-d-xo.html
One of the reasons you don’t see many for sale is you could possibly be held liable if you built it. You then are the “manufacturer” of the plane.
Love the channel and every video is very informative. I really don’t understand the high hanger costs mentioned since my closed hangar with automated Bi-Fold door only costs me $100 (given I live in the countryside in Midwest). Would be a good to know where you are getting the hangar costs and what type of hangers are these. Not to be negative but these high costs if not accurate can turn a lot of new owners away from the wonderful community of GA. Great channel, keep up the good work sir.
Hi, all the numbers are averages. Hanger rental where I am is 1100/month. I get equal comments saying the hanger cost it too high and too low. Thanks for watching!
Man where are you getting a hangar that cheap? They charge more for indoor RV storage near me by 3x. Can't imagine what a hangar costs locally.
Kitfox’s are great, but I bought the now ex-wife a 2013 Aerotrek A220 and then bought myself a 2021 Aerotrek A220. It is a factory-built SLSA modeled after the Avid Flyer (the predecessor to the Kitfox). It’s made in the Czech Republic and imported by Aerotrek. It weighs 673# empty, takes off and lands in 250’ to 300’ (with the full 21 gallons of fuel and 190# pilot), has a top speed of 123-125 MPH. The stick moves control rods like the Kitfox. This gives it a quick/precise feel like a Van’s RV. Gross weight is 1225, so Useful Load is 552.
21 gallons of 91 unleaded weighs 126, so I have 426# left for people and stuff. I’m 190# with my boots, wallet, headset and Ipad, so I can carry 226 additional pounds. The girlfriend is 135, purse-included and I think the max baggage is either 50 or 60 pounds, so all-in, we’re 31# under gross.
Note- Many Carbon Cub owner’s convert their SLSA’s that have a gross weight of 1320# into Experimental’s, then fly them at a higher weight and note in the logbook that it handled well on takeoff, landing and in various flight conditions.
My understanding is that this increases the legal Useful Load. I was told by a FSDO that I could do this to a SuperSTOL that I had a few years ago-but please do your own research. I did add spoilers to the SuperSTOLL wings and made such a logbook entry. IIRC, I was limited to about a 25 mile radius for the first 5 hours.
At one time I had a 180 HP 1993 Cubcrafter’s SuperCub, a 2014 100HP SuperSTOL, the Ex’s 2013 100HP Aerotrek, and an awesome 2014 Van’s RV7.
I flew the Aerotrek more often than all of the others combined. My record was 11 days in a row.
My ex went from zero experience and not even liking planes, to solo in her A220 in 21 hours!
I am in no way affiliated with Aerotrek, but I have had a wonderful experience with mine and with Rob Rollison, the owner of Aerotrek and with his mechanic James. I think a brand-new factory-built, certified A220 tail-wheeler or A240 nose-dragger is about $120,000 and takes about 9 months to get. There is a used A240 trike on Barnstormer’s today for $129,000.
aerotrek.aero
shocked how few subs yo have, these are fun bit sized videos
Cool videos, could you do a paraglider?
The new DarkAero probably has a similar hourly costs I suspect
Man you weren't kidding. Its Jan 10th, 2022 and I only found 2 for sale lol
Superstol XL please
How does it compare to the piper cub?
Another great vid!! Any chance of reviewing something on a Taylorcraft, Aeronca Chief, or Luscombe??? Keep up the great vids!
Thanks! I will get to them all eventually. Thanks for watching
How do your afford this? I just don't understand how people make enough money to live these lives.
I like in the city but have a very long skinny block 200 meters long 40 meters wide...
If I just moved the house and the powerlines and chop down a few trees
God dam I could fly to work.
Set aside the fact I have to learn to fly.
This voice sounds familiar! Is that you Trent?
Cost to own a t6??
I love your videos
Can you do one on Glasair Sportsman 2+2?
Definitely
What does it mean if I built the plane I can do the conditional annual? If I buy it already built then I am not able to do the conditional annual?
No, You can't. You must have built the plane and hold the Repairman Certificate.
You can find more info on it here:
www.kitplanes.com/yearly-condition-inspection-part-i/
Hello, your videos are very nice! Do you think you might be able to do one on the Zenith Stop, 701 ?
Thanks, I'll get the 701 one day
best videos ever thank you
Thanks! You're welcome 😀
Are the fixed costs monthly or yearly? I’m guessing yearly
Yearly yup, and variable is hourly.
Do aeroprakt
Wait but can I buy a kit fox already built just ready to rock
Yes! Kitfox will build and sell the Light Sport version. This video uses numbers for the Experimental Amateur Build version. But yes, LSA can 100% can be purchased built. Thanks for the comment !
Can fold the wings of the S7 and Highlander STOL plane ?
Yup 👍
@@CompleteWalkaround
Ok. Thanks
If possible, please do a video_ list of bush planes with folding wings .
Can you do a Mooney M20C next please?. Love the videos.
Thanks! I have the M20J started. C will be the next Mooney after that. SR 22 is next
@@CompleteWalkaround can't wait for it to drop. A video like the 172 showing thr different variants and how they evolved would be cool too. Thanks.
Wait... Complete Walkaround guy, what part of the country do you live in? I didn't hear any accent until you said the word garage. Lol
informative video
Cool video 😎😎😎
Great stuff! Can you do a Zenith CH701?
So what you're saying is I'm entirely too poor to own a kitfox
Kitfox in your Kitfox? 👀
Hangar*
Didn't spot maintance hey? Ah well.
@@CompleteWalkaround lol. Next time.
range 500 nanometers?!
F-16?
Wow guess give up on that dream..☹️
I really hate how flying is a rich man's career or hobby. No way to get into the industry if you're lower class and or don't know anyone in it.
@@moroni8299 I'm an electrician.
@@moroni8299 flight school costs 100 grand here student loans will cover 45, let me pull 55gs a years salary right out of my ass
@@moroni8299 go withdraw more of daddies money
Group ownership or club membership is another option to reduce costs.
You'd go to the trouble of creating a nice-ish custom video like that, but still misspell such basics as "hangar" (repeatedly) and "maintenance"? Did you completely Walkaround school?
You go to the trouble of uploading 59 videos and manage to collect 311 subscribers. Jealously isn't a good look of you ya jack off troll
Yah, too much...
Agreed
Another fun review. But let's not pretend "car gas" is much better than aviation gas; in fact, it's probably LESS available because it doesn't mean REAL car gas AKA gasohol... which is the only thing you can buy anywhere I've driven for the last couple of decades (or more). GA is going to die unless the industry pulls its head out of its ass and makes engines that run on actual pump gas, or the U.S. government pulls its head out of its ass and stops subsidizing the asinine conversion of corn into inferior fuel.
And even then... with the rampant corruption that's destroying our airports, and the price of ANY fuel... GA is most likely dead anyway. Sad.
Hi, Thanks for commenting. Are you saying you can't find 91 octane gas with no ethanol? Where about is that if you don't mind me asking, just curious. Thanks
@@CompleteWalkaround No, of course I don't mind. I haven't seen ethanol-free gas anywhere in the USA for at least 20 years, in L.A., Chicago, or anywhere else I can recall.
*hangar
Love the videos otherwise
Thanks!
Didn't spot Maintance hey 😉
HANGAR.
Maintance?
Look at another hobby... maybe scuba.
I appreciate the video but cost per hour for aviation is a complete antiquated joke. Nobody does that for any other form of power sport. Nobody takes their $80,000 truck or SXS and puts cost per hour or miles while factoring in the garage cost or insurance cost or engine rebuild or anything else. I really think this is an old archaic perspective that needs to change.
Hi, Thanks for the comment! Please let me know if there's a better way to estimate cost of operating airplanes. I would be happy to incorporate it in these videos. The goal of the channel is to help folks who trying to plan out airplane ownership and compare models. And for anyone who's just curious too of course. Thanks again
@@CompleteWalkaround I get it and understand trying to convey the costs to newbies. It just strikes me the wrong way when it’s converted into an hourly cost. Nothing you did just the general aviation consensus. The hourly cost practice is not found anywhere else Powersports related.
@@Captndarty I understand what you're saying and agree. I will try to convey in future videos that costs are just for comparison purposes and that folks really can't expect things to work out this way in reality. Very good point. Thanks again
@@CompleteWalkaround love your animations tho👍🏻 The Rans S21 and the Sling Tsi are the hot new experiments if you want to do a video on those.
What do you suggest then?