if you think tom is going home to watch psg full matches you've lost it, you can't analyse every player in the world to the level he thinks he knows them
@@jman1387valverde was literally one of the best players two seasons ago when Real won the UCL and he was unreal last season aswell. He can play everywhere in the midfield and on the right wing, having hin 5th isnt a bad shout at all
Tom is absolutely spot on about Jude Bellingham by the way, he’s a very talented young player but to suggest he already has it all is ridiculous in my opinion.
@@hazzerboyes97in the bundesliga yeah, the 2nd worst, if not the worst league of the top 5. The difference between most of the top 10 midfielders and Jude is that they've let their presence known internationally on the biggest stage, in the UCL or WC. Jude did have a good WC, but he mostly stood out because he is a young talent and because he's english. You could even argue that Musiala and Pedri are currently better than him based on how they contributed to their team's succes and their achievements. Jude's biggest achievement is his move to Real Madrid, but that doesn't make him a top 10 player yet.
Big time, I think camavinga is ahead of Jude in terms of their development, and they are the same age. It's about winning big games and trophies, not "showing promise"!
@@jaspersanders8173 Musiala is not better than Jude Bellingham, if Bellingam was fit than Dortmund would of been champions, hes been their best player for multiple seasons
Just cos the other 3 are brainless doesn’t make him have ball knowledge verratti is a terrible shout 😂😂 and how isn’t musiala getting a mention when he’s clear of bellingham
Bruno disrespected Pedri is easily top 5 imo, Theo really doesn’t watch football because he based it off last season and didn’t even include him Jude is good but people are obsessed with the idea of what he could become, he’s not top 10 at the moment Horrendous list from Theo
as a united fan i am more than used every other premier league club fan disrespecting him,calling him "average" not puting him in top 10s...they hate him because he drills their side each time they play but "complains" and "moans" all the time...umm he is the captain and is passionate? What is he supposed to do you muppets...they have 0 ball knowledge
@@Htydeforce13 Trust me, ever since the euros in 2021 he has been unreal. Aight maybe top 5 is pushing it and I’m biased for it. He’s top 10 for sure tho haha
@@nwaenjoyer I know he’s good I think he’s better than Bellingham camavinga tchouameni ect but not top 5 yet players like kd, Rodri kimmich silva Odegaard performing better in a better leauge also hard to compare or say he’s better than vets like modric casemiro Kroos ect no doubt he’ll be top 3 in a few years though
If you watch Bellingham on a consistent basis, you can tell he’s not a finished package yet. A lot of the times he’s caught in two minds (partially because at Dortmund he has to cover a lot of roles). He has amazing games, but like Dortmund themselves really struggles in moments that he should excel in. It might be down to age and the pressure that comes at Dortmund when it comes to their reputation as bottlers.
Because Tom got flustered when they asked what Jude can’t do, here is what he can’t do: - he doesn’t understand how to operate in small spaces when under pressure, he often gets into tough situations because his touch lets him down when he is pressed and gets bailed out because he is good in duels. Tom is right here, he isn’t good at picking the ball up from deep. - he can’t dictate tempo in the way Pedri, Gundo, VERRATTI, Kroos are able to. I remember he had
Love the explanation, thank you! I have to be honest, he was an average performer against France at the world Cup. Tchouameni and Rabiot dominated him. He's too much of a rock and roll number 8 midfielder for me right now. He certainly doesn't have the acumen or astute nature to play as a 6 or deeper CM
The obsession with Bellingham is unreal he hasn’t done anything yet but they’re speaking about him as if he’s the best in the world right now. He’s a future star and the discussion can be made once he’s done something but right now at this very minute he’s not the best.
@@matthewjohnson421 so that makes him too midfielders in the world right now? You can argue other players have done that in the top teams in other leagues
if he wasnt english nobody would be talking about him. the english tax is real. he is good dont get me wrong but he will that level in the future not now
@@MatthewBerman-i3jliterally, you know ball, kroos was their best midfielder after tchouameni got injured, id say camavinga as well if he wasn’t playing out of position
@@MatthewBerman-i3j kroos was stinky the majority of the past 2 seasons prior, going 1/3 seasons means you can't be put on this type of pedestal. same applies with kimmich tbh
Rice and odegard over Kimich and Casemiro if that's not bad ball knowledge i don’t know what is😶.Not just bad that's shocking.I would agree if football started last year
No, he is in no way shape or form a top 10 Midfielder (YET). Putting him second & above Rodri is absolutely outrageous, well seen that they're all English & Tom the only one who knows what he's talking about doesn't have him in the top 10.
@@hellohi1445 Modric wasn't great. Even as an RM fan I'll say that. The only Madrid midfielder here should be Kroos and then maybe Valverde. The likes of Odegaard, Anguissa, and stuff are missing.
@@AK-bj6fk anguissa and odegaard over modric? So ur falling under the recency bias disease too 😭😭😭 that’s crazy??? Bro modric showed up in UCL, odegaard didn’t in europa…anguissa is good but he’s only done one season. Ain’t no way ur convincing me his Fulham days were better than modric lmao. And modric turns up for Croatia. World Cup semi final. Schooled Netherlands. Like bro..ur a Madrid fan and ur trying to put odegaard above modric?
@@hellohi1445 Maybe Modric should be there lol. But this season was below his usual standard, especially the league campaign and the City match. Understandably so. I’d take out Odegaard then but Anguissa should be there. Best Napoli midfielder in a season they won Serie A.
They're just exposing their lack of watching the games. Bellinghams biggest test at the club level last year was against Chelsea and he was terrible both legs. Enzo completely dogwalked him in the midfield, enzo is crazy underrated while Bellingham is way overrated
@@jimsu-whls-1686 No way! As a united fan I'd say he's massively underrated no one would mention him in this conversation even though he's class. He hasnt lived up to the expectation of 120 mil price tag youre correct, but chelsea as a unit have all been terrible.
Kroos over Bellingham, but Bellingham is clear of Verratti, especially based on last season. Rice deserves a mention but not a spot and Pedri is easily one of the best midfielders in the world. Bernardo Silva did not have a good season in the prem, only in the UCL. As sensational a player Modric is, he is surely not in the top 10 as of now, he had an average LaLiga performance, and is clearly showing his age. Bruno is a must for me. Some honourable mentions for Aleix Garcia, Parejo and Szoboszlai. Maybe even Jonas Hoffman who has been immense in the bundesliga Also, Kimmich is top 3 easy rn
Bellingham is not overrated bro. He’s one of the few english players who aren’t overrated. He’ll actually reach the heights people are expecting him to reach. Just cause a few people on a podcast is hyping him up doesn’t make him overrated 😂
@@mikkelandersen2167 I think him and pedri have done enough to be in those brackets. Pedri definitely. Bellingham just at the edge of top 10. Outside of it. Either way, I’m comparing Bellingham overhype to rice. Bellingham will be an all time great midfielder. I don’t see rice being one. People put rice above Casemiro, Kimmich, Rodri 😭 3 of the best CDM’s in the world Personally, I have yet to see people put Bellingham above modric, gundagon, de bruyne etc.
@@hellohi1445you literally watched a video of him being overrated haha watch him vs chelsea both legs and tell me he's top 10 in world. Enzo schooled him
The fact that barrella was arguably the best player on a team that went to the CL final, and he balled all season long isn’t in any of these lists, just shows the levels of ball knowledge
@@dyingyeetus433 yes. But he wasn’t their best player. Let’s be honest Madrid last season weren’t really good throughout the season. Yes they got to the semi final of the champions league but the champions league doesn’t need as much consistency as the league. Camavinga and Vinicius were a mile better off than all their midfielders put together. So come again. Stop living in the past
So Pedri, who has won the league this year, wasn’t on Theo’s list. Which is fair. But Pedri not being on the list AT ALL with a LaLiga and Bellingham being that high up without a single league title is criminal.
At least Bellingham was the best player on the pitch against City in the CL and was Dortmund player of the season. Broke a Champions League record and was in the World Cup best XI. Whilst Pedri wasnt even the best player at Barca, it was ter Stegen, followed by aruajo, followed by de Jong, Pedri wansnt even the best at a Europa League club. They won the league due to the defence and goalkeeper overperforming.
I'm happy for Bellingham going to Real Madrid and there's definitely something there, which must be why they paid the fee for him, but he still needs to prove himself before entering the top 10 list. He's mature beyond his years and seems to have a great work ethic, so being at Madrid will be a test to prove how good he is/can be. He does need to be careful with his knee, because his career could be diminished. I wish him all the best of luck, though, and I hope he goes on to do great things and win trophies.
Overrating Odegard is so weird to the level where Bruno comparisons don't stand. Bruno Fernandes had record breaking goalscoring seasons, last season competed with Kdb on every metric of chance creation, topping some, scored one more than Kdb in the PL. He didn't have the striker to back it with assists. If Theo(who's probably only seen arsenal and England play) goes by Odergaard scoring most goals as a 10, then he should be above Kdb too.
@@jackwebb987 I don't think so, he obviously drops down whenever needed to and progress the ball, but so does Bruno. They're respectively both teams primary creators and best progressor, Ode is a much better carrier, Bruno is a much better passer. Both receive high alot too, there was a comparison graph between Kdb and these three by a good acc and they're incredibly similar, more so Ode and Bruno cause they drop more for United and arsenal, but Bruno is a much better chance creator while Odergaard a shooter. Bruno also outright played as a pivot player/6 behind Sabitzer when Casemiro was injured last season. I think Bruno's last season was insane creatively(backed up by underlying stats) but general consensus didn't see that cause he didn't have a finisher to convert his chances to goals. But Odergaard was close too, him Bruno Kdb top 3 attacking mids in the league. My issue was Theo dismissing Bruno so easily when it's so far from the truth.
Leave all that how did everyone forget Bernardo silva (except Tom)that’s so bad man , also how did Lewis not have kimmich wtf bro he had Bruno (not even the right one)but not kimmich
Bruno Fernandes club stats last season: 14 goals and 15 assists Odegaard club stats last season: 15 goals and 8 assists. And that’s not even including Bruno Fernandes’ World Cup goals and assists (btw at the World Cup he had the highest rating of any player in the whole tournament- above Mbappe and Messi). And this is Odegaard first decent season and Bruno is still better on an average season for him 😂
English fans overrate Bellingham way too much. He is not currently top 10 midfielders in the world. This is what English media does. Overrating their players so much that everyone including people who don’t watch Bellingham start saying he’s the best in the world, and then someone who actually watches Bellingham goes against the grain and is considered crazy.
Saying Verratti is even on this list is outrageous, he hasn’t even scored a goal in the whole season and has 1 assist in all comps. He has more red cards than goals 😂
Bruno F has the most chances created since he entered the league. No one has created more. If United had a proper number 9 he’d easily have double goals and assists every single season. Martin O has one good season and he’s the best thing since slice bread 😂😂
Lets be honest after KDB it doesnt really matter, 2-10 you can swap and change each and every one of them from game to game! Toms the only one out of these who doesnt have to google players! Verratti is a strange one, Ive always like him but its crazy hes only got 7 goals for PSG in 11 years! To put that into perspective Casemiros got 4 in his first season and he missed about 18 games.
Theo looked at the FIFA 23 team of the season and put those Lewis seemed to have just made it up on the spot For me (decided before I watched the video) 10. Bruno 9. Modric 8. Pedri 7. Veratti (Tom’s opinion is great on him) 6. Kimmich 5. Bernardo silva (incredibly underrated Tom again with a W opinion) 4. Gundogan 3. Casemiro 2. Rodri 1. De Brunye And I’m not a City fan I’m a Liverpool fan but the city midfield is class
@@xD-mk9lh yeah I forgot about de jong I remembered when they mentioned it. The stuff in brackets was when I hear the stuff they said and I added the more interesting stuff about me hating on their stuff at the beginning
@@eliassohlberg660 it’s this season, he wasn’t as impressive as any of these players in my opinion and I would even probably put Bellingham and Bruno Guimares ahead of Kroos
Yeah it’s not like he has been Madrid best midfielder for almost a decade and hasn’t hard carried his country to a 3rd place medal last year in the World Cup after beating favorites Brazil and only losing to a Argentina side who won the whole damn thing in the semifinals yeah
The fact that Theo can see this with a straight face is crazy, brings down Arsenal fans in general…No Verrati is horrendous by the way easily the most under appreciated Midfielder of our generation.
English people struggle to have good opinions on english players. Jude has just turned 20, and is ofc incredible for his age, but he isn’t that top top top player already. He probably will be in a year or two, but he isn’t already top 3 midfielders itw…
1. KDB 2. Rodri 3. Kimmich 4. Modric 6. Bellingham 7. Casamerio 8. Pedri 9. Gundo 10. Odergard Don’t want to put players who’ve been out of position this season like Valverde, Camavinga, Bernardo.S and Bruno.F Shoutout to Bruno.G and Musiala
@@cameronsmith7328and u don’t watch psg do u, he was class and Bellingham wasn’t doing what he is now for Madrid back at dortmund, he was part of a team that bottled the league and cried all game about it
@@finerz9742 bellingham is the top goal scorer in la liga and has won the kopa trophy while carrying madrid without a striker. Where is verratti? Got kicked out if psg for his laziness, poor fitness and a decent manager has realise hes bad now
Tom is the only one that has quite a far bit of ball knowledge which is what makes this podcast so entertaining. It’s so fun to listen to Theo Reev and this lewis fella’ outrageous takes
I totally get why he wouldn't put Bellingham top 10, I wouldn't yet have him in there. But to suggest there is no case to be made for him being top 10 CM is wrong imo. He won the Bundesliga player of the year ahead of Kimmich so there is case that he is top 10.
I feel like Tom rates Kimmicg so highly as well as rice and verratti over Bellingham is because he prefers a more defensive minded midfielder compared to players like Bellingham who pick up the ball and charge at players, also Bellingham’s underrated for his intensity when pressing to win back the ball.
There's absolutely no reason for Modric to be that high anymore, I'd have Barella in my Top 10 & the 4 City Midfielders(KDB, Gundogan, B. Silva & Rodri) as my set in stone 5 then fill in the remaining positions
Tom took a big L in this one. Saying Bellingham won’t win a Balón dor but said before that John Stones could get one in the future. Classic English bias towards epl
Luka Modric played the most games out of anyone in Europe's top 5 leagues. So that's why he was tired at the end of the season. He is still in the top 3 midfielders in the world.
For me right now these are the best 20 players in who play 6, 8 and 10. KDB, Modric, Silva, Rodri, Casemiro, Kimmich, Fernandez, Odegaard, Kroos, Gundogan, Brozovic, Foden, Pedri, Frenkie, Valverde, Barella, Bellingham, Goretzka, Kovacic and Verratti
Bellingham is not a top 10 midfielder in the world. He potentially will be the best, huge difference. He hasn’t proven himself at the highest level for the best teams… yet
For me: 1) KDB 2) Rodri 3) Pedri 4) Modric 5) Gundo 6) Musiala 7) Kroos (how the fuck was he not mentioned btw??) 8) Kimmich 9) De Jong 10) Valverde 10th was close could've been Ødegaard, Casemiro and Camavinga as well
Declan Rice is absolutely insane and it will show this season. He’s single handedly dragged West Ham to relegation safety, a UEL semi final and UECL trophy.
Tom has the best ball knowledge by far. You can tell he actually watches the game rather than just go off of social media.
Lmao verratti is a terrible shout after what a terrible season he had
if you think tom is going home to watch psg full matches you've lost it, you can't analyse every player in the world to the level he thinks he knows them
Not really, he just goes with whatever the consensus on Twitter is and thinks anyone who doesn’t is an idiot.
Verratti and Modric in a top 10 of the season is a joke
@@nniico_ why wouldn't modric be? he is absolute class still
As much as it can get irritating how condescending Tom can be he's correct on like 99% of the debates they have on this show lmao
I think he’s condescending because he’s fed up of the bullshit he hears 🤣
99% what?😂 valverde 5th, VERRATTI😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jman1387 just admit you don’t watch any football. Verratti is unreal if you’ve ever watched him
@@ACGI657 behave yourself. Verratti nowhere near top 10
@@jman1387valverde was literally one of the best players two seasons ago when Real won the UCL and he was unreal last season aswell. He can play everywhere in the midfield and on the right wing, having hin 5th isnt a bad shout at all
Theo just looked at the FUT TOTY and picked the midfielders
The English and prem bias is insane
Again Theo's ball knowledge is the worst
@@ReasonablyArsenal potato potato
@@ReasonablyArsenal tosser
Another cringe.
@Lkkdjscringe
aged well. anyone who uses the phrase "ball knowledge" usually has zero "ball knowledge"
Tom is absolutely spot on about Jude Bellingham by the way, he’s a very talented young player but to suggest he already has it all is ridiculous in my opinion.
Deffo top 10 though, hop off Toms nuts pal
He literally won player of the season. Bellingham is top 5 easy
@@hazzerboyes97in the bundesliga yeah, the 2nd worst, if not the worst league of the top 5. The difference between most of the top 10 midfielders and Jude is that they've let their presence known internationally on the biggest stage, in the UCL or WC. Jude did have a good WC, but he mostly stood out because he is a young talent and because he's english. You could even argue that Musiala and Pedri are currently better than him based on how they contributed to their team's succes and their achievements. Jude's biggest achievement is his move to Real Madrid, but that doesn't make him a top 10 player yet.
Big time, I think camavinga is ahead of Jude in terms of their development, and they are the same age. It's about winning big games and trophies, not "showing promise"!
@@jaspersanders8173 Musiala is not better than Jude Bellingham, if Bellingam was fit than Dortmund would of been champions, hes been their best player for multiple seasons
I swear Tom is the only one with any ball knowledge on this podcast
Verrati had a Horrible season
Valverde 5th? lmao
Just cos the other 3 are brainless doesn’t make him have ball knowledge verratti is a terrible shout 😂😂 and how isn’t musiala getting a mention when he’s clear of bellingham
@@EA-hz9mgmusiala definitely isnt clear of bellingham. Going forwards maybe but bellingham can do way more overall
@@1EllixtHe was the only on that included him. Good pick imo
Bruno far too disrespected, just unlucky to be feeding wout weghorst
He’s nowhere near this
@@Damian-wr6bzshut up bruv
@@Damian-wr6bz he’s better than bruno g, valverde, camavinga, pedri, Bellingham, odegaard
@@samknightley4173 not pedri
@@Damian-wr6bzIf Bruno was English, people would have him 2nd. He had a better season than Bellingham this season
Bruno disrespected
Pedri is easily top 5 imo, Theo really doesn’t watch football because he based it off last season and didn’t even include him
Jude is good but people are obsessed with the idea of what he could become, he’s not top 10 at the moment
Horrendous list from Theo
as a united fan i am more than used every other premier league club fan disrespecting him,calling him "average" not puting him in top 10s...they hate him because he drills their side each time they play but "complains" and "moans" all the time...umm he is the captain and is passionate? What is he supposed to do you muppets...they have 0 ball knowledge
Pedri top whatttt ??
@@Htydeforce13 Trust me, ever since the euros in 2021 he has been unreal. Aight maybe top 5 is pushing it and I’m biased for it. He’s top 10 for sure tho haha
@@Htydeforce13 He's genuinely that good.
@@nwaenjoyer I know he’s good I think he’s better than Bellingham camavinga tchouameni ect but not top 5 yet players like kd, Rodri kimmich silva Odegaard performing better in a better leauge also hard to compare or say he’s better than vets like modric casemiro Kroos ect no doubt he’ll be top 3 in a few years though
If you watch Bellingham on a consistent basis, you can tell he’s not a finished package yet. A lot of the times he’s caught in two minds (partially because at Dortmund he has to cover a lot of roles). He has amazing games, but like Dortmund themselves really struggles in moments that he should excel in. It might be down to age and the pressure that comes at Dortmund when it comes to their reputation as bottlers.
Nice one, zero ball knowledge. Now probably the best player in the world at present🤣
One of the worst takes ever 😂😂
@@Wedtstsysat the time of this video it was correct and bellingham has improved immensely since
@@Wedtstsys brother at the time he wasn't wrong
Theo genuinely thought he did something by laughing his head off. Tom is spot on
No he isn't
This just proves that Bruno Fernandes is underrated. most big chances created in the league and have plenty of 30 g/a seasons in his career.
It's because he's the most unlikeable athlete in the world
Truly underrated
I dislike the guy, but he should be ahead of Odegaard as a player.
Or the man utd fans just overrate him too much
@@Holdtight920how r we overrating him when he’s got better stats than 99% of midfielders itw
the disrespect on pedri’s name is crazy, he controls the whole game while bellingham is another box to box
I love coming back every now and then and seeing stuff like this
Surprised Barella didn’t get a shout
Deserved a shout for sure, he played poor in the CL final though, so that probably detracts from his stock.
@@Jay-tc9on he was one of the main reasons to get inter to the final in the first place, great games against benfica, barcelona, milan etc etc
Because Tom got flustered when they asked what Jude can’t do, here is what he can’t do:
- he doesn’t understand how to operate in small spaces when under pressure, he often gets into tough situations because his touch lets him down when he is pressed and gets bailed out because he is good in duels. Tom is right here, he isn’t good at picking the ball up from deep.
- he can’t dictate tempo in the way Pedri, Gundo, VERRATTI, Kroos are able to. I remember he had
English tax all of a sudden he is top 10 but pedri is nowhere
Love the explanation, thank you!
I have to be honest, he was an average performer against France at the world Cup. Tchouameni and Rabiot dominated him. He's too much of a rock and roll number 8 midfielder for me right now. He certainly doesn't have the acumen or astute nature to play as a 6 or deeper CM
Yeah mate you lot are right
this argument was from last season. he's obv has improved and playing a completely new role@@umaribrahim5316
Still wanking off on that opinion huh mate????
bruno fernandes should be in the list in my opinion
The obsession with Bellingham is unreal he hasn’t done anything yet but they’re speaking about him as if he’s the best in the world right now. He’s a future star and the discussion can be made once he’s done something but right now at this very minute he’s not the best.
He won bundesliga player of the season and almost carried Dortmund to the title
@@matthewjohnson421 so that makes him too midfielders in the world right now? You can argue other players have done that in the top teams in other leagues
if he wasnt english nobody would be talking about him. the english tax is real. he is good dont get me wrong but he will that level in the future not now
@@matthewjohnson421almost
@@matthewjohnson421toddler league
Not including Pedri, Kroos and Bernardo Silva is mind blowing 🤯
Pedri and silva were mentioned
@@JonasRodgers kroos was real's best midfielder waht are you talking about
@@MatthewBerman-i3jliterally, you know ball, kroos was their best midfielder after tchouameni got injured, id say camavinga as well if he wasn’t playing out of position
@@MatthewBerman-i3jbut Madrid had a stinky season
@@MatthewBerman-i3j kroos was stinky the majority of the past 2 seasons prior, going 1/3 seasons means you can't be put on this type of pedestal. same applies with kimmich tbh
Rice and odegard over Kimich and Casemiro if that's not bad ball knowledge i don’t know what is😶.Not just bad that's shocking.I would agree if football started last year
I would put Kimmich as a number 2 itw. Am I trippin? Purely on ability, he's a perfect midfielder. I am so amazed by the things he can do on the pitch
@@dominikjarka4608 He is up there with Rodri
Yea it physically hurt me hearing theos list
your "ball knowledge" is social media and fifa ratings
No, he is in no way shape or form a top 10 Midfielder (YET). Putting him second & above Rodri is absolutely outrageous, well seen that they're all English & Tom the only one who knows what he's talking about doesn't have him in the top 10.
Everything about his list stinks
Jude is not top 10, Pedri is comfortably top 8
@@Jalil187pedri top 8 is crazy tbh. Kimmich, modric, Rodri, gundagon, KDB, Casemiro, BARELLA, Valverde etc. are above.
Pedri is up there tho.
@@hellohi1445 Modric wasn't great. Even as an RM fan I'll say that. The only Madrid midfielder here should be Kroos and then maybe Valverde. The likes of Odegaard, Anguissa, and stuff are missing.
@@AK-bj6fk anguissa and odegaard over modric? So ur falling under the recency bias disease too 😭😭😭 that’s crazy???
Bro modric showed up in UCL, odegaard didn’t in europa…anguissa is good but he’s only done one season. Ain’t no way ur convincing me his Fulham days were better than modric lmao. And modric turns up for Croatia. World Cup semi final. Schooled Netherlands. Like bro..ur a Madrid fan and ur trying to put odegaard above modric?
@@hellohi1445 Maybe Modric should be there lol. But this season was below his usual standard, especially the league campaign and the City match. Understandably so. I’d take out Odegaard then but Anguissa should be there. Best Napoli midfielder in a season they won Serie A.
They're just exposing their lack of watching the games. Bellinghams biggest test at the club level last year was against Chelsea and he was terrible both legs. Enzo completely dogwalked him in the midfield, enzo is crazy underrated while Bellingham is way overrated
Enzo isn't uderrated at all tho. He's a CM that cost chelsea 120 mil €, you'd expect him to be good
@@jimsu-whls-1686 No way! As a united fan I'd say he's massively underrated no one would mention him in this conversation even though he's class. He hasnt lived up to the expectation of 120 mil price tag youre correct, but chelsea as a unit have all been terrible.
@@mikkelandersen2167 tbh I haven't seen enough of him to really rate him. I just remember him being pretty bad against dortmund in the first leg.
oh yh bellingham was not existent in the world cup
gotta look at what hes doing for england aswell surely
Kroos over Bellingham, but Bellingham is clear of Verratti, especially based on last season. Rice deserves a mention but not a spot and Pedri is easily one of the best midfielders in the world. Bernardo Silva did not have a good season in the prem, only in the UCL. As sensational a player Modric is, he is surely not in the top 10 as of now, he had an average LaLiga performance, and is clearly showing his age. Bruno is a must for me.
Some honourable mentions for Aleix Garcia, Parejo and Szoboszlai. Maybe even Jonas Hoffman who has been immense in the bundesliga
Also, Kimmich is top 3 easy rn
Here we go again with the british bias. Bellingham must be one of the most overrated players in world football right now.
Bellingham is not overrated bro. He’s one of the few english players who aren’t overrated. He’ll actually reach the heights people are expecting him to reach.
Just cause a few people on a podcast is hyping him up doesn’t make him overrated 😂
@@hellohi1445 a few people... are u mad everyone thinks bellingham is the one of the best midfielders in the world, but hes just not
@@mikkelandersen2167 I think him and pedri have done enough to be in those brackets. Pedri definitely. Bellingham just at the edge of top 10. Outside of it.
Either way, I’m comparing Bellingham overhype to rice. Bellingham will be an all time great midfielder. I don’t see rice being one. People put rice above Casemiro, Kimmich, Rodri 😭 3 of the best CDM’s in the world
Personally, I have yet to see people put Bellingham above modric, gundagon, de bruyne etc.
Thank u Bellingham is no where near the top 10 the English bias on him is insane
@@hellohi1445you literally watched a video of him being overrated haha watch him vs chelsea both legs and tell me he's top 10 in world. Enzo schooled him
Rice and Odegaard over Kimmich 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Theo's arsenal bias is actually so ridiculous ahahaha
@@123kaired hopefully you can win something with a £1.2Bn squad
"a lot of the comments were saying you underrated lacazette" this guy is so delusional it hurts, 95% were bashing him.
The fact that barrella was arguably the best player on a team that went to the CL final, and he balled all season long isn’t in any of these lists, just shows the levels of ball knowledge
yeah he's fantastic in fifa we get it
Shocking ball knowledge
The english bias was the highest i have ever seen
The fact that none of these dudes put Kroos in there, is atrocious
Midfielders that dictate the game and do the dirty work are often always underrated.
Kroos is NOT currently part of the top 10 in the world. He’s slowing down. But others had a better season than him. It’s based on current form
@@henrymartins4549are you serious bro, Kroos was literally Madrid’s best midfielder last season by a long shot.
@@dyingyeetus433 yes. But he wasn’t their best player. Let’s be honest Madrid last season weren’t really good throughout the season. Yes they got to the semi final of the champions league but the champions league doesn’t need as much consistency as the league. Camavinga and Vinicius were a mile better off than all their midfielders put together. So come again. Stop living in the past
So Pedri, who has won the league this year, wasn’t on Theo’s list. Which is fair. But Pedri not being on the list AT ALL with a LaLiga and Bellingham being that high up without a single league title is criminal.
At least Bellingham was the best player on the pitch against City in the CL and was Dortmund player of the season. Broke a Champions League record and was in the World Cup best XI. Whilst Pedri wasnt even the best player at Barca, it was ter Stegen, followed by aruajo, followed by de Jong, Pedri wansnt even the best at a Europa League club. They won the league due to the defence and goalkeeper overperforming.
@@lenl860 Warra trophy that is
I'm happy for Bellingham going to Real Madrid and there's definitely something there, which must be why they paid the fee for him, but he still needs to prove himself before entering the top 10 list.
He's mature beyond his years and seems to have a great work ethic, so being at Madrid will be a test to prove how good he is/can be.
He does need to be careful with his knee, because his career could be diminished.
I wish him all the best of luck, though, and I hope he goes on to do great things and win trophies.
He won poty in the bundesliga
@@zaclittlewood7177 I know, which is a great start for someone of his age.
My guy snuck in Odegaard at 6TH and didn't even include Bruno who is 3x the player Odegaard is. Man's living in denial
Theo has never watched Bellingham outside of the World Cup 🤣
Overrating Odegard is so weird to the level where Bruno comparisons don't stand. Bruno Fernandes had record breaking goalscoring seasons, last season competed with Kdb on every metric of chance creation, topping some, scored one more than Kdb in the PL. He didn't have the striker to back it with assists. If Theo(who's probably only seen arsenal and England play) goes by Odergaard scoring most goals as a 10, then he should be above Kdb too.
Odegaard isn’t a 10
Odegaard plays much more as an 8 than a 10
@@jackwebb987 I don't think so, he obviously drops down whenever needed to and progress the ball, but so does Bruno. They're respectively both teams primary creators and best progressor, Ode is a much better carrier, Bruno is a much better passer. Both receive high alot too, there was a comparison graph between Kdb and these three by a good acc and they're incredibly similar, more so Ode and Bruno cause they drop more for United and arsenal, but Bruno is a much better chance creator while Odergaard a shooter. Bruno also outright played as a pivot player/6 behind Sabitzer when Casemiro was injured last season. I think Bruno's last season was insane creatively(backed up by underlying stats) but general consensus didn't see that cause he didn't have a finisher to convert his chances to goals. But Odergaard was close too, him Bruno Kdb top 3 attacking mids in the league.
My issue was Theo dismissing Bruno so easily when it's so far from the truth.
Theo getting all his ball knowledge (very little) from FIFA
Why aren't the full eps uploaded here?? Much prefer watching a pod over listening to one
Agree with Tom about Modric, has declined this last season or so and isn’t 2nd best itw anymore. I’d say KDB Rodri and kimmich
1.De bruyne
2. Rodri
3.modric
4.Casemiro
5.Bellingham
6.valverde
7.Kimmich
8.Pedri
9.Odegaard
10.barella
Honourable Mentions: (kroos, rice, musiala, bruno, gundogan, gavi, de jong )
Until last season, Kimmich was comfortably the best DM in the world (now it's Rodri). Rice isn't even top 3 prem CDMs so idk how he's above Kimmich
For me its:
1. KDB
2. Modric
3. Rodri
4. Bellingham
5. Valverde
6. Casemiro
7. Bernardo Silva
8. Odegaard
9. Gundogan
10. De Jong
Leave all that how did everyone forget Bernardo silva (except Tom)that’s so bad man , also how did Lewis not have kimmich wtf bro he had Bruno (not even the right one)but not kimmich
Bruno Fernandes club stats last season: 14 goals and 15 assists
Odegaard club stats last season: 15 goals and 8 assists.
And that’s not even including Bruno Fernandes’ World Cup goals and assists (btw at the World Cup he had the highest rating of any player in the whole tournament- above Mbappe and Messi).
And this is Odegaard first decent season and Bruno is still better on an average season for him 😂
Most be painful to have to try and debate with Theo and Lewis
English fans overrate Bellingham way too much. He is not currently top 10 midfielders in the world. This is what English media does. Overrating their players so much that everyone including people who don’t watch Bellingham start saying he’s the best in the world, and then someone who actually watches Bellingham goes against the grain and is considered crazy.
This genuinely hurt to watch. I felt sorry for Tom having to listen to this delusion they genuinely must not watch the sport 😂
Saying Verratti is even on this list is outrageous, he hasn’t even scored a goal in the whole season and has 1 assist in all comps. He has more red cards than goals 😂
Crazy to say Bellingham can’t pick it up and run too 😂 completely made Kanes goal v Sen at the WC
He was implying how poor he is in the first phase not second phase little boy
@@tahmidahmed7310 didn’t ask mate
@@dmaccers656 jus clarifying cos it seems you was confused with your lack of iq
Right here’s my top 10 midfielders let me know if it’s shit
KDB
Rodri
Kimmich
Bernardo silva
Bellingham
Gundogan
Odegard
Kroos
Goretzga
Pedri:
Bruno F has the most chances created since he entered the league. No one has created more. If United had a proper number 9 he’d easily have double goals and assists every single season. Martin O has one good season and he’s the best thing since slice bread 😂😂
Lets be honest after KDB it doesnt really matter, 2-10 you can swap and change each and every one of them from game to game!
Toms the only one out of these who doesnt have to google players!
Verratti is a strange one, Ive always like him but its crazy hes only got 7 goals for PSG in 11 years! To put that into perspective Casemiros got 4 in his first season and he missed about 18 games.
Theo looked at the FIFA 23 team of the season and put those
Lewis seemed to have just made it up on the spot
For me (decided before I watched the video)
10. Bruno
9. Modric
8. Pedri
7. Veratti (Tom’s opinion is great on him)
6. Kimmich
5. Bernardo silva (incredibly underrated Tom again with a W opinion)
4. Gundogan
3. Casemiro
2. Rodri
1. De Brunye
And I’m not a City fan I’m a Liverpool fan but the city midfield is class
De jong was better then pedri last seson but stil god list
@@xD-mk9lh yeah I forgot about de jong I remembered when they mentioned it. The stuff in brackets was when I hear the stuff they said and I added the more interesting stuff about me hating on their stuff at the beginning
How you leaving out kroos?
@@eliassohlberg660 it’s this season, he wasn’t as impressive as any of these players in my opinion and I would even probably put Bellingham and Bruno Guimares ahead of Kroos
1.Kevin De Bruyne
2.Luka Modric
3.Jude Bellingham
4.Bernardo Silva
5.Rodri
6.Fede Valverde
7.Martin Ødegaard
8.Jamal Musiala
9.Frenkie De Jong
10.Eduardo Camavinga
Modric far too overrated here. Bloke is literally an age merchant. He's very good for 37 but no chance he should be in the top 5.
Yeah it’s not like he has been Madrid best midfielder for almost a decade and hasn’t hard carried his country to a 3rd place medal last year in the World Cup after beating favorites Brazil and only losing to a Argentina side who won the whole damn thing in the semifinals yeah
Theo's ball knowledge is horrendous
Saying Jude Bellingham is a better midfielder than Kimmich has to be one of the worst takes ever on the show
Tom is literally the only one with ball knowledge there
Veratti 😂 no mention of musiala Kroos Pedri in his list 😂😂
@@EA-hz9mgrelatively high ball knowledge compared to others
The fact that Theo can see this with a straight face is crazy, brings down Arsenal fans in general…No Verrati is horrendous by the way easily the most under appreciated Midfielder of our generation.
Chelsea v dortmund both legs Bellingham was anonymous
Bellingham v city… stfu
English people struggle to have good opinions on english players. Jude has just turned 20, and is ofc incredible for his age, but he isn’t that top top top player already. He probably will be in a year or two, but he isn’t already top 3 midfielders itw…
Reev list was atleast decent...other two were pretty dumb list😅
FOR ME:
10. Valverde
9. Pedri
8.Bruno F
7.De Jong
6.Gundogan
5.Modric(age)
4.Casemiro
3.Rodri
2.Kimmich
1.KDB
Young mids:
3.Jude
2.Musiala
1.Pedri
Verratti is so under rated, easily top 10 midfielder in last 4/5 years
@humorkongen😂😂 facts he’s pony
@@EA-hz9mgVeratti is pony 😭💀
1. KDB
2. Rodri
3. Kimmich
4. Modric
6. Bellingham
7. Casamerio
8. Pedri
9. Gundo
10. Odergard
Don’t want to put players who’ve been out of position this season like Valverde, Camavinga, Bernardo.S and Bruno.F
Shoutout to Bruno.G and Musiala
Good list aside from modric. Wasn’t great last season kroos was much better alone
@@EA-hz9mg Modric was the only sceptical one tbf
Bernardo likes to play besides Rodri tho
@@nottheonefromearth he been playing mostly RW and CM
@@kronixone3317 yeah cm is a lil infront of Rodri but that's what I ment
First of all, Jude just smashed Toms list in a couple of months.
Second, the fact that no one even mentioned Musiala is absolutely criminal
Tom is definitely the one who has the best ball knowledge among these lot.
well he somehow managed to make a list that's worse than theo's so idk
When this was released toms top 10 was pretty accurate
It wasnt he had verrati in his team who has been bang average for psg for years
@@cameronsmith7328and u don’t watch psg do u, he was class and Bellingham wasn’t doing what he is now for Madrid back at dortmund, he was part of a team that bottled the league and cried all game about it
@@finerz9742 bellingham is the top goal scorer in la liga and has won the kopa trophy while carrying madrid without a striker. Where is verratti? Got kicked out if psg for his laziness, poor fitness and a decent manager has realise hes bad now
Tom is the only one that has quite a far bit of ball knowledge which is what makes this podcast so entertaining. It’s so fun to listen to Theo Reev and this lewis fella’ outrageous takes
No Barella, Musiala or Enzo while including Rice is crazy
I totally get why he wouldn't put Bellingham top 10, I wouldn't yet have him in there. But to suggest there is no case to be made for him being top 10 CM is wrong imo. He won the Bundesliga player of the year ahead of Kimmich so there is case that he is top 10.
Bellingham being top 10 is insane. The guy plays in the budesliga and is also about to have a knee sugery at 19. He is also so overrated.
Theo asks Tom when he watches kimmich when the only time Theo watches Jude is for england 😭
how many are here after bellingham's stellar perfomances
in real madrid
I feel like Tom rates Kimmicg so highly as well as rice and verratti over Bellingham is because he prefers a more defensive minded midfielder compared to players like Bellingham who pick up the ball and charge at players, also Bellingham’s underrated for his intensity when pressing to win back the ball.
Damn they all forgot musiala, guy was the best player for germany at the wc and literally won bayern the league with the final goal
No kroos is crazy, Pedri as well deserves a shout. Jude is easily becoming the most hyped up player in ages man
What baffles me is how is pedri not as high as Bellingham then ,cause he is more important player for a far better team in a better league
Tom once again proving to be the only one with elite ball knowledge on this panel
There's absolutely no reason for Modric to be that high anymore, I'd have Barella in my Top 10 & the 4 City Midfielders(KDB, Gundogan, B. Silva & Rodri) as my set in stone 5 then fill in the remaining positions
Tom took a big L in this one. Saying Bellingham won’t win a Balón dor but said before that John Stones could get one in the future. Classic English bias towards epl
Theo rating Odegaurd and Declan over Casemiro and Kimmich is criminal
Listening to the Bellingham debate 3 months later is hilarious. Veratti? Lol. Why not put Kanye in there?
I think Griezman should be a shout, he had an unbelievable world cup playing at cm and at Atletico Madrid as well
Luka Modric played the most games out of anyone in Europe's top 5 leagues. So that's why he was tired at the end of the season. He is still in the top 3 midfielders in the world.
For me right now these are the best 20 players in who play 6, 8 and 10. KDB, Modric, Silva, Rodri, Casemiro, Kimmich, Fernandez, Odegaard, Kroos, Gundogan, Brozovic, Foden, Pedri, Frenkie, Valverde, Barella, Bellingham, Goretzka, Kovacic and Verratti
No kroos or Musiala not even mentioned is crazy
bellingham is more of a ten not a defensive midfielder
KDB and Bruno are clear. Odegard is closer to Andrea’s Pereria
Factssss
My man puts Kimmich low cause he hasn't watched any Bayern but he's trying to make us believe he watched Dortmund?
Bellingham is not a top 10 midfielder in the world. He potentially will be the best, huge difference. He hasn’t proven himself at the highest level for the best teams… yet
Also if Bellingham wasn’t english this conversation would not be happening.
Cant wait for everyone to watch el clasicco next season and see how many miles clear pedri is of bellingham
No way Bellingham wins a balon d’or😂😂😂 he is a baller tho
For me:
1) KDB
2) Rodri
3) Pedri
4) Modric
5) Gundo
6) Musiala
7) Kroos (how the fuck was he not mentioned btw??)
8) Kimmich
9) De Jong
10) Valverde
10th was close could've been Ødegaard, Casemiro and Camavinga as well
Declan Rice is absolutely insane and it will show this season. He’s single handedly dragged West Ham to relegation safety, a UEL semi final and UECL trophy.
😂😂😂 single handedly. Sure.
Bruno G doesn’t even start for his country
Moaning when Ødegaard, arguably the best player in the league last season, gets placed 6th on the list, then putting Bruno in with a straight face 😭
Great shout for Bruno, toms list is probably the best if he had Pedri in. Gundogan should be a bit higher than 8th, probably 5th
The frenkie de jong disrespect is so insane
Release the full podcast in this please !!!
No kroos or barella who helped inter win the league and reach the finals in the champions league
No pedri is unbelievable
Tom the only one with any clue here Bellingham isn’t top 10