HEATED DEBATE: Is Bellingham a Top 10 Cm in the WORLD?!

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  • @willridesbikes.
    @willridesbikes. ปีที่แล้ว +739

    Tom has the best ball knowledge by far. You can tell he actually watches the game rather than just go off of social media.

    • @101notfound17
      @101notfound17 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Lmao verratti is a terrible shout after what a terrible season he had

    • @zTriqzRx
      @zTriqzRx ปีที่แล้ว +9

      if you think tom is going home to watch psg full matches you've lost it, you can't analyse every player in the world to the level he thinks he knows them

    • @andymore62
      @andymore62 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not really, he just goes with whatever the consensus on Twitter is and thinks anyone who doesn’t is an idiot.

    • @nniico_
      @nniico_ ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Verratti and Modric in a top 10 of the season is a joke

    • @adsi6751
      @adsi6751 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@nniico_ why wouldn't modric be? he is absolute class still

  • @matthewkeys7754
    @matthewkeys7754 ปีที่แล้ว +1020

    As much as it can get irritating how condescending Tom can be he's correct on like 99% of the debates they have on this show lmao

    • @jackbutler3594
      @jackbutler3594 ปีที่แล้ว +116

      I think he’s condescending because he’s fed up of the bullshit he hears 🤣

    • @jman1387
      @jman1387 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      99% what?😂 valverde 5th, VERRATTI😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @ACGI657
      @ACGI657 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@jman1387 just admit you don’t watch any football. Verratti is unreal if you’ve ever watched him

    • @jman1387
      @jman1387 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ACGI657 behave yourself. Verratti nowhere near top 10

    • @repeHAX
      @repeHAX ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@jman1387valverde was literally one of the best players two seasons ago when Real won the UCL and he was unreal last season aswell. He can play everywhere in the midfield and on the right wing, having hin 5th isnt a bad shout at all

  • @jupe86
    @jupe86 ปีที่แล้ว +265

    Theo just looked at the FUT TOTY and picked the midfielders

  • @danielreda7648
    @danielreda7648 ปีที่แล้ว +364

    The English and prem bias is insane
    Again Theo's ball knowledge is the worst

    • @danielreda7648
      @danielreda7648 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ReasonablyArsenal potato potato

    • @sdrp9539
      @sdrp9539 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ReasonablyArsenal tosser

    • @levimurray5233
      @levimurray5233 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another cringe.

    • @HMgamingEXP14HUW
      @HMgamingEXP14HUW 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Lkkdjscringe

    • @dontbethatguyy3082
      @dontbethatguyy3082 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      aged well. anyone who uses the phrase "ball knowledge" usually has zero "ball knowledge"

  • @francie6278
    @francie6278 ปีที่แล้ว +653

    Tom is absolutely spot on about Jude Bellingham by the way, he’s a very talented young player but to suggest he already has it all is ridiculous in my opinion.

    • @jamesjenkins6093
      @jamesjenkins6093 ปีที่แล้ว

      Deffo top 10 though, hop off Toms nuts pal

    • @hazzerboyes97
      @hazzerboyes97 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      He literally won player of the season. Bellingham is top 5 easy

    • @jaspersanders8173
      @jaspersanders8173 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      ​@@hazzerboyes97in the bundesliga yeah, the 2nd worst, if not the worst league of the top 5. The difference between most of the top 10 midfielders and Jude is that they've let their presence known internationally on the biggest stage, in the UCL or WC. Jude did have a good WC, but he mostly stood out because he is a young talent and because he's english. You could even argue that Musiala and Pedri are currently better than him based on how they contributed to their team's succes and their achievements. Jude's biggest achievement is his move to Real Madrid, but that doesn't make him a top 10 player yet.

    • @davidwhyte7343
      @davidwhyte7343 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Big time, I think camavinga is ahead of Jude in terms of their development, and they are the same age. It's about winning big games and trophies, not "showing promise"!

    • @OwlsAndDolphins.
      @OwlsAndDolphins. ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@jaspersanders8173 Musiala is not better than Jude Bellingham, if Bellingam was fit than Dortmund would of been champions, hes been their best player for multiple seasons

  • @papaquentin1588
    @papaquentin1588 ปีที่แล้ว +1164

    I swear Tom is the only one with any ball knowledge on this podcast

    • @garethpichon1101
      @garethpichon1101 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Verrati had a Horrible season

    • @1Ellixt
      @1Ellixt ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Valverde 5th? lmao

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Just cos the other 3 are brainless doesn’t make him have ball knowledge verratti is a terrible shout 😂😂 and how isn’t musiala getting a mention when he’s clear of bellingham

    • @cameronsmith7328
      @cameronsmith7328 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@EA-hz9mgmusiala definitely isnt clear of bellingham. Going forwards maybe but bellingham can do way more overall

    • @BigRake516
      @BigRake516 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@1EllixtHe was the only on that included him. Good pick imo

  • @ethankinsler4411
    @ethankinsler4411 ปีที่แล้ว +205

    Bruno far too disrespected, just unlucky to be feeding wout weghorst

    • @Damian-wr6bz
      @Damian-wr6bz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He’s nowhere near this

    • @mrw999
      @mrw999 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Damian-wr6bzshut up bruv

    • @samknightley4173
      @samknightley4173 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@Damian-wr6bz he’s better than bruno g, valverde, camavinga, pedri, Bellingham, odegaard

    • @Celticgoingtowinthechampions
      @Celticgoingtowinthechampions ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@samknightley4173 not pedri

    • @kodymendiola1507
      @kodymendiola1507 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Damian-wr6bzIf Bruno was English, people would have him 2nd. He had a better season than Bellingham this season

  • @isakpetterssonmusic
    @isakpetterssonmusic ปีที่แล้ว +275

    This just proves that Bruno Fernandes is underrated. most big chances created in the league and have plenty of 30 g/a seasons in his career.

    • @inquisitorsneed2
      @inquisitorsneed2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's because he's the most unlikeable athlete in the world

    • @mrw999
      @mrw999 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Truly underrated

    • @thetruth4654
      @thetruth4654 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I dislike the guy, but he should be ahead of Odegaard as a player.

    • @Holdtight920
      @Holdtight920 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or the man utd fans just overrate him too much

    • @footballglobe9730
      @footballglobe9730 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Holdtight920how r we overrating him when he’s got better stats than 99% of midfielders itw

  • @Jalil187
    @Jalil187 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    Bruno disrespected
    Pedri is easily top 5 imo, Theo really doesn’t watch football because he based it off last season and didn’t even include him
    Jude is good but people are obsessed with the idea of what he could become, he’s not top 10 at the moment
    Horrendous list from Theo

    • @LocalNoob_2
      @LocalNoob_2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      as a united fan i am more than used every other premier league club fan disrespecting him,calling him "average" not puting him in top 10s...they hate him because he drills their side each time they play but "complains" and "moans" all the time...umm he is the captain and is passionate? What is he supposed to do you muppets...they have 0 ball knowledge

    • @Htydeforce13
      @Htydeforce13 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pedri top whatttt ??

    • @Jalil187
      @Jalil187 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Htydeforce13 Trust me, ever since the euros in 2021 he has been unreal. Aight maybe top 5 is pushing it and I’m biased for it. He’s top 10 for sure tho haha

    • @nwaenjoyer
      @nwaenjoyer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Htydeforce13 He's genuinely that good.

    • @Htydeforce13
      @Htydeforce13 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nwaenjoyer I know he’s good I think he’s better than Bellingham camavinga tchouameni ect but not top 5 yet players like kd, Rodri kimmich silva Odegaard performing better in a better leauge also hard to compare or say he’s better than vets like modric casemiro Kroos ect no doubt he’ll be top 3 in a few years though

  • @kylebamford7600
    @kylebamford7600 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    Not including Pedri, Kroos and Bernardo Silva is mind blowing 🤯

    • @Callum-x4x
      @Callum-x4x ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Pedri and silva were mentioned

    • @MatthewBerman-i3j
      @MatthewBerman-i3j ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@JonasRodgers kroos was real's best midfielder waht are you talking about

    • @Red-wr4bg
      @Red-wr4bg ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@MatthewBerman-i3jliterally, you know ball, kroos was their best midfielder after tchouameni got injured, id say camavinga as well if he wasn’t playing out of position

    • @Slesaint17
      @Slesaint17 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MatthewBerman-i3jbut Madrid had a stinky season

    • @danielayar3599
      @danielayar3599 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MatthewBerman-i3j kroos was stinky the majority of the past 2 seasons prior, going 1/3 seasons means you can't be put on this type of pedestal. same applies with kimmich tbh

  • @sam_elmesey
    @sam_elmesey ปีที่แล้ว +116

    Theo genuinely thought he did something by laughing his head off. Tom is spot on

  • @akshitlangeh3831
    @akshitlangeh3831 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    the disrespect on pedri’s name is crazy, he controls the whole game while bellingham is another box to box

    • @jacobmcdermott55
      @jacobmcdermott55 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love coming back every now and then and seeing stuff like this

  • @joshuaquinn6945
    @joshuaquinn6945 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    If you watch Bellingham on a consistent basis, you can tell he’s not a finished package yet. A lot of the times he’s caught in two minds (partially because at Dortmund he has to cover a lot of roles). He has amazing games, but like Dortmund themselves really struggles in moments that he should excel in. It might be down to age and the pressure that comes at Dortmund when it comes to their reputation as bottlers.

    • @halthegoat
      @halthegoat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nice one, zero ball knowledge. Now probably the best player in the world at present🤣

    • @Wedtstsys
      @Wedtstsys หลายเดือนก่อน

      One of the worst takes ever 😂😂

  • @aceybeast8414
    @aceybeast8414 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    bruno fernandes should be in the list in my opinion

  • @pabel3222
    @pabel3222 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Rice and odegard over Kimich and Casemiro if that's not bad ball knowledge i don’t know what is😶.Not just bad that's shocking.I would agree if football started last year

    • @dominikjarka4608
      @dominikjarka4608 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I would put Kimmich as a number 2 itw. Am I trippin? Purely on ability, he's a perfect midfielder. I am so amazed by the things he can do on the pitch

    • @pabel3222
      @pabel3222 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dominikjarka4608 He is up there with Rodri

    • @jacksonboyd02
      @jacksonboyd02 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea it physically hurt me hearing theos list

    • @nniico_
      @nniico_ ปีที่แล้ว

      your "ball knowledge" is social media and fifa ratings

  • @michaelfvt
    @michaelfvt ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Because Tom got flustered when they asked what Jude can’t do, here is what he can’t do:
    - he doesn’t understand how to operate in small spaces when under pressure, he often gets into tough situations because his touch lets him down when he is pressed and gets bailed out because he is good in duels. Tom is right here, he isn’t good at picking the ball up from deep.
    - he can’t dictate tempo in the way Pedri, Gundo, VERRATTI, Kroos are able to. I remember he had

    • @rashidkatana9092
      @rashidkatana9092 ปีที่แล้ว

      English tax all of a sudden he is top 10 but pedri is nowhere

    • @onlyweatherlol93
      @onlyweatherlol93 ปีที่แล้ว

      Love the explanation, thank you!
      I have to be honest, he was an average performer against France at the world Cup. Tchouameni and Rabiot dominated him. He's too much of a rock and roll number 8 midfielder for me right now. He certainly doesn't have the acumen or astute nature to play as a 6 or deeper CM

    • @umaribrahim5316
      @umaribrahim5316 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah mate you lot are right

    • @adiulakovic8196
      @adiulakovic8196 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this argument was from last season. he's obv has improved and playing a completely new role@@umaribrahim5316

    • @jagj2803
      @jagj2803 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Still wanking off on that opinion huh mate????

  • @zachharrison35
    @zachharrison35 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    They're just exposing their lack of watching the games. Bellinghams biggest test at the club level last year was against Chelsea and he was terrible both legs. Enzo completely dogwalked him in the midfield, enzo is crazy underrated while Bellingham is way overrated

    • @jimsu-whls-1686
      @jimsu-whls-1686 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Enzo isn't uderrated at all tho. He's a CM that cost chelsea 120 mil €, you'd expect him to be good

    • @mikkelandersen2167
      @mikkelandersen2167 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@jimsu-whls-1686 No way! As a united fan I'd say he's massively underrated no one would mention him in this conversation even though he's class. He hasnt lived up to the expectation of 120 mil price tag youre correct, but chelsea as a unit have all been terrible.

    • @jimsu-whls-1686
      @jimsu-whls-1686 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikkelandersen2167 tbh I haven't seen enough of him to really rate him. I just remember him being pretty bad against dortmund in the first leg.

    • @jobefarrant6043
      @jobefarrant6043 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      oh yh bellingham was not existent in the world cup

    • @jobefarrant6043
      @jobefarrant6043 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      gotta look at what hes doing for england aswell surely

  • @ethanhawthorne1948
    @ethanhawthorne1948 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    The obsession with Bellingham is unreal he hasn’t done anything yet but they’re speaking about him as if he’s the best in the world right now. He’s a future star and the discussion can be made once he’s done something but right now at this very minute he’s not the best.

    • @matthewjohnson421
      @matthewjohnson421 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He won bundesliga player of the season and almost carried Dortmund to the title

    • @ethanhawthorne1948
      @ethanhawthorne1948 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@matthewjohnson421 so that makes him too midfielders in the world right now? You can argue other players have done that in the top teams in other leagues

    • @jiahaogoh2822
      @jiahaogoh2822 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      if he wasnt english nobody would be talking about him. the english tax is real. he is good dont get me wrong but he will that level in the future not now

    • @Jn.curry10
      @Jn.curry10 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewjohnson421almost

    • @Daniboi971
      @Daniboi971 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewjohnson421toddler league

  • @4lj4zz
    @4lj4zz ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Here we go again with the british bias. Bellingham must be one of the most overrated players in world football right now.

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bellingham is not overrated bro. He’s one of the few english players who aren’t overrated. He’ll actually reach the heights people are expecting him to reach.
      Just cause a few people on a podcast is hyping him up doesn’t make him overrated 😂

    • @mikkelandersen2167
      @mikkelandersen2167 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@hellohi1445 a few people... are u mad everyone thinks bellingham is the one of the best midfielders in the world, but hes just not

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikkelandersen2167 I think him and pedri have done enough to be in those brackets. Pedri definitely. Bellingham just at the edge of top 10. Outside of it.
      Either way, I’m comparing Bellingham overhype to rice. Bellingham will be an all time great midfielder. I don’t see rice being one. People put rice above Casemiro, Kimmich, Rodri 😭 3 of the best CDM’s in the world
      Personally, I have yet to see people put Bellingham above modric, gundagon, de bruyne etc.

    • @jacksonboyd02
      @jacksonboyd02 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank u Bellingham is no where near the top 10 the English bias on him is insane

    • @cavani3948
      @cavani3948 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@hellohi1445you literally watched a video of him being overrated haha watch him vs chelsea both legs and tell me he's top 10 in world. Enzo schooled him

  • @louis2712l
    @louis2712l ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Rice and Odegaard over Kimmich 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @santoskircher844
    @santoskircher844 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    The fact that barrella was arguably the best player on a team that went to the CL final, and he balled all season long isn’t in any of these lists, just shows the levels of ball knowledge

    • @nniico_
      @nniico_ ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah he's fantastic in fifa we get it

  • @brodygibson7494
    @brodygibson7494 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Theo's arsenal bias is actually so ridiculous ahahaha

    • @brodygibson7494
      @brodygibson7494 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@123kaired hopefully you can win something with a £1.2Bn squad

  • @taylorbrown1897
    @taylorbrown1897 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Shocking ball knowledge

  • @Morgalucci
    @Morgalucci ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Kroos over Bellingham, but Bellingham is clear of Verratti, especially based on last season. Rice deserves a mention but not a spot and Pedri is easily one of the best midfielders in the world. Bernardo Silva did not have a good season in the prem, only in the UCL. As sensational a player Modric is, he is surely not in the top 10 as of now, he had an average LaLiga performance, and is clearly showing his age. Bruno is a must for me.
    Some honourable mentions for Aleix Garcia, Parejo and Szoboszlai. Maybe even Jonas Hoffman who has been immense in the bundesliga
    Also, Kimmich is top 3 easy rn

  • @terminator6829
    @terminator6829 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The english bias was the highest i have ever seen

  • @BIGDemetrius9
    @BIGDemetrius9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The fact that none of these dudes put Kroos in there, is atrocious

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 ปีที่แล้ว

      Midfielders that dictate the game and do the dirty work are often always underrated.

    • @henrymartins4549
      @henrymartins4549 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kroos is NOT currently part of the top 10 in the world. He’s slowing down. But others had a better season than him. It’s based on current form

    • @dyingyeetus433
      @dyingyeetus433 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@henrymartins4549are you serious bro, Kroos was literally Madrid’s best midfielder last season by a long shot.

    • @henrymartins4549
      @henrymartins4549 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dyingyeetus433 yes. But he wasn’t their best player. Let’s be honest Madrid last season weren’t really good throughout the season. Yes they got to the semi final of the champions league but the champions league doesn’t need as much consistency as the league. Camavinga and Vinicius were a mile better off than all their midfielders put together. So come again. Stop living in the past

  • @braddaberg2351
    @braddaberg2351 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why aren't the full eps uploaded here?? Much prefer watching a pod over listening to one

  • @ellis9290
    @ellis9290 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "a lot of the comments were saying you underrated lacazette" this guy is so delusional it hurts, 95% were bashing him.

  • @foooj7580
    @foooj7580 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My guy snuck in Odegaard at 6TH and didn't even include Bruno who is 3x the player Odegaard is. Man's living in denial

  • @aaronreid6820
    @aaronreid6820 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Theo has never watched Bellingham outside of the World Cup 🤣

  • @zoot8378
    @zoot8378 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Theo getting all his ball knowledge (very little) from FIFA

  • @Standard____
    @Standard____ ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Theo looked at the FIFA 23 team of the season and put those
    Lewis seemed to have just made it up on the spot
    For me (decided before I watched the video)
    10. Bruno
    9. Modric
    8. Pedri
    7. Veratti (Tom’s opinion is great on him)
    6. Kimmich
    5. Bernardo silva (incredibly underrated Tom again with a W opinion)
    4. Gundogan
    3. Casemiro
    2. Rodri
    1. De Brunye
    And I’m not a City fan I’m a Liverpool fan but the city midfield is class

    • @xD-mk9lh
      @xD-mk9lh ปีที่แล้ว

      De jong was better then pedri last seson but stil god list

    • @Standard____
      @Standard____ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@xD-mk9lh yeah I forgot about de jong I remembered when they mentioned it. The stuff in brackets was when I hear the stuff they said and I added the more interesting stuff about me hating on their stuff at the beginning

    • @eliassohlberg660
      @eliassohlberg660 ปีที่แล้ว

      How you leaving out kroos?

    • @Standard____
      @Standard____ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eliassohlberg660 it’s this season, he wasn’t as impressive as any of these players in my opinion and I would even probably put Bellingham and Bruno Guimares ahead of Kroos

    • @jerano4kt
      @jerano4kt ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1.Kevin De Bruyne
      2.Luka Modric
      3.Jude Bellingham
      4.Bernardo Silva
      5.Rodri
      6.Fede Valverde
      7.Martin Ødegaard
      8.Jamal Musiala
      9.Frenkie De Jong
      10.Eduardo Camavinga

  • @kronixone3317
    @kronixone3317 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1. KDB
    2. Rodri
    3. Kimmich
    4. Modric
    6. Bellingham
    7. Casamerio
    8. Pedri
    9. Gundo
    10. Odergard
    Don’t want to put players who’ve been out of position this season like Valverde, Camavinga, Bernardo.S and Bruno.F
    Shoutout to Bruno.G and Musiala

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg ปีที่แล้ว

      Good list aside from modric. Wasn’t great last season kroos was much better alone

    • @kronixone3317
      @kronixone3317 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EA-hz9mg Modric was the only sceptical one tbf

    • @nottheonefromearth
      @nottheonefromearth ปีที่แล้ว

      Bernardo likes to play besides Rodri tho

    • @kronixone3317
      @kronixone3317 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nottheonefromearth he been playing mostly RW and CM

    • @nottheonefromearth
      @nottheonefromearth ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kronixone3317 yeah cm is a lil infront of Rodri but that's what I ment

  • @GeorgieM10
    @GeorgieM10 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Tom is literally the only one with ball knowledge there

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Veratti 😂 no mention of musiala Kroos Pedri in his list 😂😂

    • @johanliebert6734
      @johanliebert6734 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@EA-hz9mgrelatively high ball knowledge compared to others

  • @jonbon6843
    @jonbon6843 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bruno Fernandes club stats last season: 14 goals and 15 assists
    Odegaard club stats last season: 15 goals and 8 assists.
    And that’s not even including Bruno Fernandes’ World Cup goals and assists (btw at the World Cup he had the highest rating of any player in the whole tournament- above Mbappe and Messi).
    And this is Odegaard first decent season and Bruno is still better on an average season for him 😂

  • @tahmid3999
    @tahmid3999 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Overrating Odegard is so weird to the level where Bruno comparisons don't stand. Bruno Fernandes had record breaking goalscoring seasons, last season competed with Kdb on every metric of chance creation, topping some, scored one more than Kdb in the PL. He didn't have the striker to back it with assists. If Theo(who's probably only seen arsenal and England play) goes by Odergaard scoring most goals as a 10, then he should be above Kdb too.

    • @user-io8cm4dk1f
      @user-io8cm4dk1f ปีที่แล้ว

      Odegaard isn’t a 10

    • @jackwebb987
      @jackwebb987 ปีที่แล้ว

      Odegaard plays much more as an 8 than a 10

    • @tahmid3999
      @tahmid3999 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jackwebb987 I don't think so, he obviously drops down whenever needed to and progress the ball, but so does Bruno. They're respectively both teams primary creators and best progressor, Ode is a much better carrier, Bruno is a much better passer. Both receive high alot too, there was a comparison graph between Kdb and these three by a good acc and they're incredibly similar, more so Ode and Bruno cause they drop more for United and arsenal, but Bruno is a much better chance creator while Odergaard a shooter. Bruno also outright played as a pivot player/6 behind Sabitzer when Casemiro was injured last season. I think Bruno's last season was insane creatively(backed up by underlying stats) but general consensus didn't see that cause he didn't have a finisher to convert his chances to goals. But Odergaard was close too, him Bruno Kdb top 3 attacking mids in the league.
      My issue was Theo dismissing Bruno so easily when it's so far from the truth.

  • @momirgrahovac9657
    @momirgrahovac9657 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FOR ME:
    10. Valverde
    9. Pedri
    8.Bruno F
    7.De Jong
    6.Gundogan
    5.Modric(age)
    4.Casemiro
    3.Rodri
    2.Kimmich
    1.KDB
    Young mids:
    3.Jude
    2.Musiala
    1.Pedri

  • @adambradshaw4442
    @adambradshaw4442 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Agree with Tom about Modric, has declined this last season or so and isn’t 2nd best itw anymore. I’d say KDB Rodri and kimmich

  • @PoppinLou
    @PoppinLou ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm happy for Bellingham going to Real Madrid and there's definitely something there, which must be why they paid the fee for him, but he still needs to prove himself before entering the top 10 list.
    He's mature beyond his years and seems to have a great work ethic, so being at Madrid will be a test to prove how good he is/can be.
    He does need to be careful with his knee, because his career could be diminished.
    I wish him all the best of luck, though, and I hope he goes on to do great things and win trophies.

    • @zaclittlewood7177
      @zaclittlewood7177 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He won poty in the bundesliga

    • @PoppinLou
      @PoppinLou ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zaclittlewood7177 I know, which is a great start for someone of his age.

  • @kodymendiola1507
    @kodymendiola1507 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    So Pedri, who has won the league this year, wasn’t on Theo’s list. Which is fair. But Pedri not being on the list AT ALL with a LaLiga and Bellingham being that high up without a single league title is criminal.

    • @lenl860
      @lenl860 ปีที่แล้ว

      At least Bellingham was the best player on the pitch against City in the CL and was Dortmund player of the season. Broke a Champions League record and was in the World Cup best XI. Whilst Pedri wasnt even the best player at Barca, it was ter Stegen, followed by aruajo, followed by de Jong, Pedri wansnt even the best at a Europa League club. They won the league due to the defence and goalkeeper overperforming.

    • @kodymendiola1507
      @kodymendiola1507 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lenl860 Warra trophy that is

  • @Sxlehin_2004
    @Sxlehin_2004 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tom is definitely the one who has the best ball knowledge among these lot.

    • @nniico_
      @nniico_ ปีที่แล้ว

      well he somehow managed to make a list that's worse than theo's so idk

  • @PapaDragon282
    @PapaDragon282 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Most be painful to have to try and debate with Theo and Lewis

  • @louissmith3069
    @louissmith3069 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Saying Verratti is even on this list is outrageous, he hasn’t even scored a goal in the whole season and has 1 assist in all comps. He has more red cards than goals 😂

  • @byronmcguigan6679
    @byronmcguigan6679 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This genuinely hurt to watch. I felt sorry for Tom having to listen to this delusion they genuinely must not watch the sport 😂

  • @WillSavage
    @WillSavage ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I totally get why he wouldn't put Bellingham top 10, I wouldn't yet have him in there. But to suggest there is no case to be made for him being top 10 CM is wrong imo. He won the Bundesliga player of the year ahead of Kimmich so there is case that he is top 10.

  • @abhinavkumar4824
    @abhinavkumar4824 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Leave all that how did everyone forget Bernardo silva (except Tom)that’s so bad man , also how did Lewis not have kimmich wtf bro he had Bruno (not even the right one)but not kimmich

  • @damarcust7186
    @damarcust7186 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Theo asks Tom when he watches kimmich when the only time Theo watches Jude is for england 😭

  • @dmaccers656
    @dmaccers656 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Crazy to say Bellingham can’t pick it up and run too 😂 completely made Kanes goal v Sen at the WC

    • @tahmidahmed7310
      @tahmidahmed7310 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He was implying how poor he is in the first phase not second phase little boy

    • @dmaccers656
      @dmaccers656 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tahmidahmed7310 didn’t ask mate

    • @tahmidahmed7310
      @tahmidahmed7310 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dmaccers656 jus clarifying cos it seems you was confused with your lack of iq

  • @sexyjulian2006
    @sexyjulian2006 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    Kroos was clearly Real Madrid's best midfielder last season, and the fact that he's not on anyone's list, just shows that they don’t watch anything outside of the prem, and their opinion is just based on what they hear on social media.

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Facts

    • @ahmedasensio1430
      @ahmedasensio1430 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely bro even no camavinga it's crazy

    • @johanliebert6734
      @johanliebert6734 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@ahmedasensio1430tbf he played out of position most season

    • @ahmedasensio1430
      @ahmedasensio1430 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johanliebert6734 Yeah he was playing as LB on the paper but inthe match he was coming at the mid most the ofthe time or as LMC

    • @RenewedRS
      @RenewedRS ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ahmedasensio1430 no chance Camavinga is top 10

  • @viktorjohansson8464
    @viktorjohansson8464 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No kroos or Musiala not even mentioned is crazy

  • @alanmwenda2141
    @alanmwenda2141 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    how many are here after bellingham's stellar perfomances
    in real madrid

  • @romn007
    @romn007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Theo rating Odegaurd and Declan over Casemiro and Kimmich is criminal

  • @Fressivoir
    @Fressivoir ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Theo's ball knowledge is horrendous

  • @BaldManagersUnite
    @BaldManagersUnite 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Listening to the Bellingham debate 3 months later is hilarious. Veratti? Lol. Why not put Kanye in there?

  • @crxptxc4398
    @crxptxc4398 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Chelsea v dortmund both legs Bellingham was anonymous

    • @Cynthia20043
      @Cynthia20043 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bellingham v city… stfu

  • @jimjogger306
    @jimjogger306 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lets be honest after KDB it doesnt really matter, 2-10 you can swap and change each and every one of them from game to game!
    Toms the only one out of these who doesnt have to google players!
    Verratti is a strange one, Ive always like him but its crazy hes only got 7 goals for PSG in 11 years! To put that into perspective Casemiros got 4 in his first season and he missed about 18 games.

  • @יונתןלואיס
    @יונתןלואיס 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    First of all, Jude just smashed Toms list in a couple of months.
    Second, the fact that no one even mentioned Musiala is absolutely criminal

  • @laila5061
    @laila5061 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    no bernardo silva and no pedri IS INSANE

  • @Faz1e
    @Faz1e ปีที่แล้ว +5

    No Barella, Musiala or Enzo while including Rice is crazy

  • @rogerkim8611
    @rogerkim8611 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damn they all forgot musiala, guy was the best player for germany at the wc and literally won bayern the league with the final goal

  • @maccamorrice3054
    @maccamorrice3054 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Bruno F has the most chances created since he entered the league. No one has created more. If United had a proper number 9 he’d easily have double goals and assists every single season. Martin O has one good season and he’s the best thing since slice bread 😂😂

  • @notanotter3505
    @notanotter3505 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Camavinga, Musiala, Pedri and Enzo are all better than Jude

  • @finerz9742
    @finerz9742 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When this was released toms top 10 was pretty accurate

    • @cameronsmith7328
      @cameronsmith7328 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It wasnt he had verrati in his team who has been bang average for psg for years

    • @finerz9742
      @finerz9742 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cameronsmith7328and u don’t watch psg do u, he was class and Bellingham wasn’t doing what he is now for Madrid back at dortmund, he was part of a team that bottled the league and cried all game about it

    • @cameronsmith7328
      @cameronsmith7328 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@finerz9742 bellingham is the top goal scorer in la liga and has won the kopa trophy while carrying madrid without a striker. Where is verratti? Got kicked out if psg for his laziness, poor fitness and a decent manager has realise hes bad now

  • @rhysdavies8092
    @rhysdavies8092 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tom is the only one that has quite a far bit of ball knowledge which is what makes this podcast so entertaining. It’s so fun to listen to Theo Reev and this lewis fella’ outrageous takes

  • @timoteovalles724
    @timoteovalles724 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crazy how twitter said Bellingham is better however TH-cam is all against this

  • @sreedarsanbuddy7495
    @sreedarsanbuddy7495 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Reev list was atleast decent...other two were pretty dumb list😅

  • @ByuntaeOG
    @ByuntaeOG ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My man puts Kimmich low cause he hasn't watched any Bayern but he's trying to make us believe he watched Dortmund?

  • @kieranmunson4403
    @kieranmunson4403 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Verratti is so under rated, easily top 10 midfielder in last 4/5 years

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg ปีที่แล้ว

      @humorkongen😂😂 facts he’s pony

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EA-hz9mgVeratti is pony 😭💀

  • @Eclipse-pn1sq
    @Eclipse-pn1sq ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like Tom rates Kimmicg so highly as well as rice and verratti over Bellingham is because he prefers a more defensive minded midfielder compared to players like Bellingham who pick up the ball and charge at players, also Bellingham’s underrated for his intensity when pressing to win back the ball.

  • @abdim123
    @abdim123 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bellingham being top 10 is insane. The guy plays in the budesliga and is also about to have a knee sugery at 19. He is also so overrated.

  • @De3dSh0t
    @De3dSh0t ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For me:
    1) KDB
    2) Rodri
    3) Pedri
    4) Modric
    5) Gundo
    6) Musiala
    7) Kroos (how the fuck was he not mentioned btw??)
    8) Kimmich
    9) De Jong
    10) Valverde
    10th was close could've been Ødegaard, Casemiro and Camavinga as well

  • @shesho6162
    @shesho6162 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Saying Jude Bellingham is a better midfielder than Kimmich has to be one of the worst takes ever on the show

  • @smaugrotwk6510
    @smaugrotwk6510 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For me right now these are the best 20 players in who play 6, 8 and 10. KDB, Modric, Silva, Rodri, Casemiro, Kimmich, Fernandez, Odegaard, Kroos, Gundogan, Brozovic, Foden, Pedri, Frenkie, Valverde, Barella, Bellingham, Goretzka, Kovacic and Verratti

  • @daanvogels3787
    @daanvogels3787 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think Griezman should be a shout, he had an unbelievable world cup playing at cm and at Atletico Madrid as well

  • @MissaArt17
    @MissaArt17 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The frenkie de jong disrespect is so insane

  • @skoppe_8094
    @skoppe_8094 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No kroos is crazy, Pedri as well deserves a shout. Jude is easily becoming the most hyped up player in ages man

  • @pranaycr7
    @pranaycr7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Luka Modric played the most games out of anyone in Europe's top 5 leagues. So that's why he was tired at the end of the season. He is still in the top 3 midfielders in the world.

  • @Akan123
    @Akan123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's absolutely no reason for Modric to be that high anymore, I'd have Barella in my Top 10 & the 4 City Midfielders(KDB, Gundogan, B. Silva & Rodri) as my set in stone 5 then fill in the remaining positions

  • @Slim-Clips
    @Slim-Clips ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rice is the best 6.
    Pedri is the best 8.
    Messi is the best 10.

    • @Abde-ob9rm
      @Abde-ob9rm ปีที่แล้ว +1

      rodri and KDB exist

    • @louis2712l
      @louis2712l ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rice the best 6 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @zainshmed9928
    @zainshmed9928 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great shout for Bruno, toms list is probably the best if he had Pedri in. Gundogan should be a bit higher than 8th, probably 5th

  • @abhinavkumar4086
    @abhinavkumar4086 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What baffles me is how is pedri not as high as Bellingham then ,cause he is more important player for a far better team in a better league

  • @MorganBlighe
    @MorganBlighe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1.De bruyne
    2. Rodri
    3.modric
    4.Casemiro
    5.Bellingham
    6.valverde
    7.Kimmich
    8.Pedri
    9.Odegaard
    10.barella
    Honourable Mentions: (kroos, rice, musiala, bruno, gundogan, gavi, de jong )

  • @maidenless2110
    @maidenless2110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    English fans overrate Bellingham way too much. He is not currently top 10 midfielders in the world. This is what English media does. Overrating their players so much that everyone including people who don’t watch Bellingham start saying he’s the best in the world, and then someone who actually watches Bellingham goes against the grain and is considered crazy.

  • @jamescooper3739
    @jamescooper3739 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This could be an all timer clip to return to if jude does win a balon dor 😂

  • @urbanflow9383
    @urbanflow9383 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How does Lewis ever get an opinion???😂😂

  • @jerano4kt
    @jerano4kt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1.Kevin De Bruyne
    2.Luka Modric
    3.Jude Bellingham
    4.Bernardo Silva
    5.Rodri
    6.Fede Valverde
    7.Martin Ødegaard
    8.Jamal Musiala
    9.Frenkie De Jong
    10.Eduardo Camavinga

  • @FrostSw1rl
    @FrostSw1rl ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For me its:
    1. KDB
    2. Modric
    3. Rodri
    4. Bellingham
    5. Valverde
    6. Casemiro
    7. Bernardo Silva
    8. Odegaard
    9. Gundogan
    10. De Jong

  • @fritos6064
    @fritos6064 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cant wait for everyone to watch el clasicco next season and see how many miles clear pedri is of bellingham

  • @sheep3322
    @sheep3322 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where was Barella in ur lists?!?!

  • @bigmanpods8562
    @bigmanpods8562 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The fact that Theo can see this with a straight face is crazy, brings down Arsenal fans in general…No Verrati is horrendous by the way easily the most under appreciated Midfielder of our generation.

  • @rupensabharwal9242
    @rupensabharwal9242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bellingham is top 10, verrati has faded Pedri is close to bellingham and they’re forgetting Jamaal muslia

  • @carlosh2050
    @carlosh2050 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tom took a big L in this one. Saying Bellingham won’t win a Balón dor but said before that John Stones could get one in the future. Classic English bias towards epl

  • @Shobster123
    @Shobster123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tom once again proving to be the only one with elite ball knowledge on this panel

  • @NonePlayableCharacter
    @NonePlayableCharacter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1: kdb
    2: rodri
    this list is difficult im just gonna leave it there

    • @NonePlayableCharacter
      @NonePlayableCharacter ปีที่แล้ว

      not in particular order but i think players who are in the top 10 rice caceido gundogan musiala enzo fernandez bruno guimares palinha

  • @keirpage8233
    @keirpage8233 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Toms list looks very silly 8 months later🤣🤣

  • @ianwathuku1870
    @ianwathuku1870 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Theo is just dumb at this point. Arguing that Odegaard was better than Kimmich and Casemiro and he didn't win a cup is stupid. Also saying Bellingham is better than Casemiro is horrendous.

  • @granth1238
    @granth1238 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1. De Bruyne
    2. Valverde
    3. Rodri
    4. Barella
    5. Kimmich
    6. Modric
    7. Casemiro
    8. Pedri
    9. Wirtz
    10. De Jong

  • @martinjasper7650
    @martinjasper7650 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Theo - No Toni Kroos :O Er you under the influence?

  • @abhinavkumar4086
    @abhinavkumar4086 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Unpopular opinion, modric shouldn't be that high, Kross was better last season and modric had many average and pood performances ( he did have two or three great ones like Chelsea and all)
    also where is Bernardo in everyone else's team

  • @sukunasan9441
    @sukunasan9441 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bernardo silva being in only one list is a complete madness