2021 BMW 330e PHEV Driving Evaluation - City, Canyon, & Highway
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Kyle is in the new for 2021 BMW 330e and taking it for a drive in our typical 3 distinct driving environments. Join him as he figures out if this PHEV lives up to the BMW badge.
#BMW #330e #PHEV
0:00 - Intro
1:27 - Info / City Drive
11:10 - Canyon Drive
15:37 - Hard Blast
22:30 - Highway / ADAS
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Thank you for doing a proper review. In 99.9% of reviews people don't even attempt to drive the car in a spirited fashion.
Used properly I do think PHEVs have their place. I have a 330e and 75% of my driving is on EV mode 👏
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Finally somebody talking about how the car drives and not other stupid stuff
I shared this with my son, who is buying one of these in 2022! It was between the Tesla and this car, Im glad he decided on this car!!! 👍👍👍Great video! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I too have a 330e on order. In fact it’s the second one which I will own. Love it! 😍
PHEVs certainly are a compromise but the alternative for many people who choose a PHEV would be to have two separate cars (BEV for local travel and ICE for long distance). I think it is a worthwhile compromise for people who want to own just one car.
Yup that’s where I’m at.
Great review. 💯
Great review. I would like to know how much charge the battery recovers from regenerative breaking? I’ve read some reviews that the breaks are touchy in this model and that the regen braking is a smooth transition to regular braking.
Hey Kyle, greetings from London, UK! Great video. Is this the Alpine White exterior with the Cognac interior? Or the mineral white exterior?
Great review!
The wife of a guy at work has a PHEV BMW. She work 5 miles from her job. She never plugs it in. If she did, she probably never need gas during the week.
lol!!
Cognac leather - that's what I have. But, for the win - Sunset Orange Metallic!! My 330e is pretty
Have a 330e on order. Waiting for it to be built, and I’m really eager to get it in my garage!
I got mine last month ;) You'll love it
@@PJAvenger It ‘In Transit’. Waiting for the big boat, then get it halfway across the continental US. Hoping to have it in the next couple of weeks.
@@AFRetPA You know it's made in Mexico right?
@@PJAvenger According to what I can tell from the VIN, this one is built in Munich. From what I have found, the 7th digit of the VIN tells. If that digit is a C, It’s a Munich-build. If that digit is a J, it’s a Mexico build. Mine has a C.
Did you get it?
i wish we got the wagon 330e
Yes, a compromise, but for people who really only want to have one vehicle a PHEV seems to be a pretty good compromise. Thanks for the review. I’m actually looking at a 530 E however it looks like it’s losing his tax credit before I can get a new one, so I am at least going to give the 330e due diligence even though I think it is too small for our needs - When I test drove one in 2016 when I bought my current Acura TLX the driving position and seat for me at 6 feet wasn’t all that comfortable.
Great info.
I think I might have an idea about why the highway mileage is better than expected. This car like so-called mild hybrids has a transmission between the electric motor and the axles. As a result on the highway it’s using a better gear ratio. If you have some thing that has an electric drive that’s driving the axles directly like a lot of PHEV‘s and all EV’s I guess, they don’t have that benefit.
when a in-depth review of the new BMW 2 series active tourer 230e or 225e plug-in hybrids?
Hoping to get a 2019 530e this weekend. Would rather have the 330 but they didn’t make it that year and doesn’t fit my budget for a 2021 for a tax credit
I guess the big question is how many people pick this over the Tesla Model 3? I think I might becuase I have a 650 mile (one way) road trip that I take and while the gas tank is a small such that I will only get 300 miles of highway range from the 330e, it will take me just a few minutes to fill up vs the long charging session.
If you have the supporting charging infrastructure everywhere, BEV is better. But if you live where I do (central Canada), it's not the way to go yet. There are only a few charging stations in the whole city, mostly at car dealerships for customers only... There are also huge distances between cities without charging stations along the way that would burn out a BEV stranding you. PHEV is a much smarter option in this case. Slow charge at home, at work, or occasionally at a station for daily driving. But out of necessity, still have ICE as a backup even in the city, and any type of distance.
In an hybrid car the electrical battery is recharged by the electrical motor, and in the PHEV we can connect it to the electricity to recharge it. If I’m in the highway using the electrical one, is this same battery recharged by the electrical motor? Or it’s mandatory to recharge it through an electrical connection? (Sorry my poor English, it’s not my first language)
There are people out there that want a ticket to the HOV lane, but will never plug in their car This is for them
What’s the hybrid mpg for 330e owners ?
So do you have the eBoost at your service only when the battery is charged according to the gages or does the car "save some extra juice" in the battery for the eBoost despite the battery being depleted for eDrive? 🤔 Great review!
you have it all the time.
Question: when you are driving fully electric is there any evidence that the combustion engine is getting some heat, or is it cold when it first kicks into life? For example, is the combustion engine completely cold after driving in electric mode for about 20 minutes?
Yes combustion engine still shows cold after driving for 20 minutes. It will only warm up when it’s on
@@OutofSpecReviews , thanks for confirming. I have heard the same about the X5 equivalent. I think this could end up as reliability issue in a few years since some people are likely to put their foot down after driving in electric mode and the combustion engine is expected to spring into life immediately. Is there no rev limiting at all in this situation?
The engines usually have a safe protection boost / rpm limiting mode but it isn’t for very long. It’s my biggest fear of these cars from a longevity standpoint but they seem to be holding up to the test of time!
I'm going to buy it, waiting 2 weeks in the hell) But thank you for the review.
I have the 2020 330i what millage did you get a full tank of gas with a full battery charge with 330e?
It depends on how you drive it. If you drive in electric mode only then no gas
Got mine last week: Msport, alpinweiss, cognac leather
Lovely!
The problem with the 2022 BMW 330e is the onboard charger with only 3.7KW min 6.6KW or 7KW to charge the battery.
Interesting how the gas mpg isn’t as advantageous compare to reg gas car hmmm I wonder where the hybrid components go
Is that lake tahoe?
Get this car tomorrow :)
Does this car have a button, to TURN OFF THE STOP/START FEATURE? I only like the cars that “DO NOT” STOP AT EVERY LIGHT!!! All cars do now, but, some have a turn off switch! Does this one have it???
No, it does not, at least in our experience. I seldom run it in Sport mode, but in Hybrid, even with a depelted battery it uses electric to get moving then kicks in the ICE.
With transmission set to sport it doesn't turn the engine off. But either way you will already be up to speed when the engine turns on in hybrid mode. It's really quick off the line on electric so the problem you experience in regular non-PHEV cars will not appear here at all.
Seems to me that this car’s direct competition will be the Lexus NX 450h plug in hybrid. I hope somebody will do a comparison between the two.
Actually probably has more in common with the 550e than the Lexus NX. Especially considering driving dynamics. SUVs are not very dynamic by design. It isn’t their fault it’s not what they’re meant for. The more direct competition in the US would be the Volvo S60 plug-in hybrid.
Just got this car in a 2023. Not sure if I have an issue or works differently than I anticipated? I have my car in hybrid. It seems like it is either running solely on electric or gas and never anything in the middle. I am either getting like 99 miles per gallon or like 17. As example, car fully charged this morning and showed a 17 mi. range. Drove to a destination 6 miles away, so 12 mi round trip. Car was in hybird mode and the battery hit 0 with like 3 miles left to go on the return trip. Is that normal?
Either Kyle owned his many cars (not talking about the review cars but his own cars: i3, Model S, the Porsche, the Model 3, the other Model 3) each time relatively short or Kyle is older then I think :D but I am bad at guessing age anyway :D
I used to keep cars for just a few months! - Kyle
Check out the honda clarity phev best phev on the market 47 miles of ev range
It’s a bit ugly though
The amount of time he spent with his hands off the wheel was giving me an anxiety attack.
Don't worry it basically has "autopilot" like Tesla
Hahaha lol
Returning my pitiful id4 for one of these tomorrow. Can’t wait to drive a car again. I hate EVs. The 330e will get me to work and back on electricity, but I’ll still have an real engine for actual driving.
We're cross shopping a 330e with id4 and other EVs. How are you liking the 330e? Any shortcomings compared to an EV?
What does phev mean?
Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle
"not quite double, maybe 50% more"
1:46 So BMWs do have turn signals 😆
Yes, but by law you aren't supposed to use them.
@@PJAvenger I hope you're joking.
By law, you're required to use them.
@@tony_25or6to4 Yes I'm just kidding. As a BMW owner I am exempt from all laws
@@PJAvenger 🤣
All vehicles are a compromise of some sort.
The point of a PHEV is to be an introductory to an EV? LOL, ugh, no. The PHEV is the anti-compromise vehicle. Its the best of all worlds. An EV is a high compromise vehicle. You give up everything just to be efficient in the city (if you charge from home). Carry "extra" weight? You mean like carrying a huge battery around town that you don't need? The Model 3 LR and P weighs more than the 330e. This guy has it completely backwards.
The battery is an absolute shit, suppose to fully charge 34 miles but fully charge it shows only 15 miles on the screen and only drives 9-10 miles
Put your hands on the wheel
FFS
Probably has Lane keeping assist.
Happy that of the EV vloggers, Kyle has actually given PHEVs some attention... but the statement he made starting around 2:00 is just wrong. Why are we producing so few long range BEVs today? Because of serious battery supply bottlenecks, partially a result of long range BEV requiring a massive amount of battery cells. Then there's profitability... Would any long range BEV producer be profitable without the subsidies and regulatory credit incentives? Absolutely not. (At least not yet) I've picked through Tesla's finances, and although they have no legacy costs, they're losing about $3 billion per year on only 500k sales ($6k per car) when you remove government subsidies and regulatory credit income. Who knows how much they'd be losing without people ponying up $10k for a beta release of FSD that may not be ready for another few years. That's the reality of the BEVs you push...
Kyle's statement is foolhardy because it comes from the standpoint of a car reviewer who's judging the vehicle only from a single owner's view of drivability, rather than from a global perspective. PHEVs do sacrifice some driving dynamics versus ICEs and BEVs. Although I might argue that in electric mode, it drives better than an ICE and almost as good as a BEV with less power. Is vehicle power the problem we're trying to solve with EVs, or is it CO2 emissions?
We can't just look at a technology from a single owner's viewpoint... we have to look at the global impact of that vehicle. On a planet with 7.6 billion other people and 1.6 billion ICE passenger vehicles that need to be replaced with greener solution, using our resources WISELY to reduce emissions is critical. PHEVs go a lot further towards doing that versus both ICEs (burn gasoline for every mile they drive) and long range BEVs (use far larger batteries than they need, bottlenecking the EV industry).
I hope most people interested in PHEVs would prefer to charge it every night and start each day with a full battery. The average daily commute in the US is 32 miles and shorter in other countries. Only occasionally do people drive more miles than that on a daily basis. Let's be honest, a lot of people buying long range BEVs have commutes shorter than 32 miles. PHEVs in hybrid mode may not drive as well as an ICE due to the weight, but they're a huge improvement over an ICE's tailpipe emissions for a fairly small extra cost. A cost which will be made up in both convenience (far fewer gas station trips, pre-heating in the garage, less maintenance), and in fuel cost savings + less maintenance. They likely have a longer lifespan than ICEs. Like BEVs, they also get greener as the grid gets greener.
As an aside, ICE owners should count themselves lucky that they're not being charged an emissions tax for every gallon of fuel they use, representing the damage they're causing.
Kyle, you made your statement ONLY from a drivability standpoint. You didn't consider the global impact. PHEVs are a viable permanent solution that's an alternative to both ICEs and BEVs. At least, they will be for at least the next 10 years when... hopefully... there are additional battery breakthroughs in energy density and charging speeds, allowing us to produce long range BEVs with fewer resources. Of course, we may also see breakthroughs in liquid fuel technology, such as Porsche's e-fuel initiative, which like Hydrogen can use electricity and CO2 to produce new near net zero hydrocarbons. Imagine that paired with PHEV technology, which already drastically reduce liquid fuel use.
It's said that if we concentrated all of our battery resources today on producing nothing but HEVs to replace ICEs, it would lead to the best overall emissions reduction compared to PHEVs and BEVs. I imagine PHEVs would be second due to their batteries that are 1/4th to 1/6th the size of a long range BEV (we can produce far more PHEVs to replace ICEs), and BEVs a distant third due to their massive battery needs and their bottlenecking of the battery cell supply.
All of these EV vloggers and bloggers have spent years pumping up BEVs as the ultimate zero tailpipe emission technology, while either directly crapping on PHEV tech for no apparent reason, or just barely covering them at all. Instead, they've been pumping out Tesla videos non-stop. Many Tesla shareholders. They were helped because a lot of viewers/readers in the community were Tesla fanbois/shareholders that believe only BEVs are a viable solution (again, for no apparent reason), and they would constantly attack anyone that thought differently.
It's time that car reviewers, especially EV car reviewers start giving PHEVs and HEVs the credit they deserve and start looking at the full picture as this technology is applied to over a billion vehicles on this planet. Fail to do that, and it'll be a loooong time before we're rid of pure ICEs. Look at VW. Their BEVs are all the rage right now... but year over year, it was their ICE SUVs that saw the most growth in sales. You EV reviewers are partially responsible. Even if every human on the Earth wanted a BEV for their next car... we can't produce enough of them.
I think this comment is longer than the entire video
@@OutofSpecReviews Exactly, a simple 1 minute statement takes a page of context to explain why it's a dangerous thing to say and why it misinforms people who rely on these reviews to understand their options. As people who spend a lot of time with all these powertrains and the industry in general, car reviewers know better and need to do better.
I owned a Volt. PHEVs are nice, but no where near as nice as a fully electric vehicle. PHEV owners don't have range anxiety, they have gas anxiety. Lots of people buy PHEVs buy them and never plug them in - that's a waste.
I considered buying one, but real life range is not that good as is not the warranty that BMW offers
Real world range far exceeded EPA
@@OutofSpecReviews I tried it for a few days and I was only managing 25 miles, at best. My daily commute is 46 miles so it wasn’t good enough. Engine is quite good do.
@@rogeriogomesosorio4755 25 miles is still better than the EPA :P
Although, I really don't like how the European version could do 37 miles but NA version is software limited.
@@AW-gj4ji It isn’t software limited. The reviews I’ve watched of the European vids seem consistent with ours remembering that they’re going to speak in kilometers rather than miles.
3:05 I wish PHEV reviewers would stop pushing the idea that drivers have the option to never charge a PHEV. C'mon... this statement is just misinforming people. If that's their plan, then they should NOT be buying a PHEV, and they certainly shouldn't be getting any subsidies to buy one, nor should the OEM get regulatory credits. Doing so is using up valuable battery resources that other people COULD use to reduce their emissions. Never charging a PHEV is actually terrible for the environment. You just spent loads of resources to mine the material for that battery and the energy to produce the pack... only to turn around and NEVER use it? You're also lugging around a heavy battery everywhere that's reducing the vehicle's efficiency. If a person wants a fuel efficient car and they NEVER want to charge, then they should buy a hybrid. Hybrids get better gas mileage than PHEVs, and they don't have a large 10-20 kWh battery inside that they'll never use. Not to mention the car will always want to keep that battery at a minimum state of charge which it'll use the gas engine to do... needlessly producing more emissions.
The car will work just fine if you never plug it in. It’s an option. Grab your HOV a sticker, tax credit, and drive it with the battery dead forever. How is this incorrect information?
It’s terribly inefficient but it works.
@@OutofSpecReviews And then the entire EV community comes down on PHEVs because the people who buy them don't charge them, justifying claims that PHEVs shouldn't be eligible for subsidies, or that PHEVs shouldn't exist at all. It's one thing to be able to do something... it's another thing to actually do it, or suggest that if people want to drive it that way, it's fine. On the contrary, if car reviewers want to educate their viewers, then "If you're not going to charge it, buy something else" works pretty well.
I see you typed something, but didn't say anything.
I would agree it's idiotic for people to buy a PHEV and never charge them. However, most vehicles are occupied by only the driver 80% of the time and people still purchase large vehicles even though it doesn't make sense in term of efficiency and cost.
I've seen videos of people using a electricity generator via fuel power to charge their EV lol.\
In the end, it is up to the individuals how they use their vehicles or the resources they could afford to obtain and waste.
@@AW-gj4ji True, but that's why we need reviewers to specifically start calling these shenanigans out. Also a reason we need to start applying a significant emissions tax, including an emissions tax on fuel purchases... and why we should scrap GHG/ZEV credit programs and EV tax credits.
That pulls double duty in convincing new car buyers to buy something more efficient, and in convincing them to drive fewer miles. Maybe buy an e-bike, use public transit, push for work from home policies, or even push for a 4 day work week.