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  • Some proposals for Spa exist out there, and I take a look at them.
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  • @MrMichkov
    @MrMichkov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    Regarding dead and broke links, the racinglines mirror of the Racing Circuits database is pretty much the 2005 version of the site. And still one of the best resources around for obscure tracks together with gdecarli. Which is static as of 2014 as I understand.
    I've taken to updating the Fastlane's mirror of the Racing Circuits database, which is a long way of what I want it to be, but Spa is up to date at the moment. I recall throwing out the figure 8 proposal back when I did the update because it seemed so outlandish given the elevations. I also heard of an early proposal that would have had a different section between Malmedy and Stavelot before the original circuit got build in the 1920s. Finally there is the 24h 2CV layout that used all kinds of access roads and the track in both directions. To quote Rob Semmeling:
    "A new 24-hour race specifcally for Citroen 2CVs debuted in 1985. Initially, this used an utterly bizarre circuit layout of 4.828 km,
    which ran from Les Combes to Stavelot and then back again over a service road behind the guard rails, so as to avoid having to close
    off the non-permanent part of the circuit for traffc. The fastest lap of the 1987 race was a 3.06,89 = 93.0 km/h. In 1989, the 2CV
    marathon race used an even crazier layout. This reportedly measured some 9.5 km (!), and although the exact layout is not known,
    photos show it included the old start-fnish section down to Eau Rouge - using the left-hand lane of the track - before diving left to
    l'Ancienne Douane (a corner not used for racing since 1939), later coming down Raidillon (!) and back to the start via what would
    normally be the right-hand lane of the track - indeed, that part of the circuit was divided in two using plastic traffc barriers and
    used in both directions...! "
    Anyway enough rambling, I leave you with a couple of links for future videos of this kind.Nürbyring www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racingcircuits/Germany/NurburgringProposal1978A.htmlSuzuka www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racingcircuits/Japan/SuzukaOrigProposal1.htmlRCDBs proposed circuits section www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racingcircuits/_type/_proposed.html

    • @erwinlommer197
      @erwinlommer197 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      At least for me none of the spa links open from your last link. All I get is "It looks like nothing was found at this location. Try the search below."

    • @MrMichkov
      @MrMichkov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Apologies, one of the problems of updating the website of that size is that there will inevitably be some 404 links in it until its done.
      Here is the Spa page with the proposals, most of them are in the video
      www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racingcircuits/Tracks/BEL/Spa.html#P05nat

    • @PescaraProductions
      @PescaraProductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can't possibly imagine the amount of money I'd pay to see footage of that 2cv layout

    • @MrMichkov
      @MrMichkov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here. On a whim I plugged 1985 2CV Spa into the search bar and found this
      th-cam.com/video/tGCGRY_xD1c/w-d-xo.html
      Nothing on 1989 though.

    • @Quintinohthree
      @Quintinohthree 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Reading your comments has reignited my desire to figure out the unknown layouts of the 1985 and 1989 24H 2CV circuits. I'm almost convinced I've got something for the 1985 variant.
      For the exit from the infield onto the track, this video at 3:04 shows it is immediately after Malmedy (the right hander after Les Combes) th-cam.com/video/cwRoJR72ZHM/w-d-xo.html
      For the infield entry I refer to this video at 2:21 onwards: th-cam.com/video/mPWOYnKHFlY/w-d-xo.html in the background it seems the Stavelot tunnel is shown, so the entry seems to be the one halfway between Campus and Stavelot curve, and the curves in the road after back this up.
      Connecting these with the track between them and the modern perimeter road, a length of 4,828 km can be measured on Google Earth (with some wiggle room in that final digit), corroberating this.
      Have I uncovered the layout, or was this already figured out elsewhere but little publicized?

  • @drunk3n_m0nk12
    @drunk3n_m0nk12 5 ปีที่แล้ว +377

    The original "How to ruin a racetrack" FIA edition.

    • @MrMichkov
      @MrMichkov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      TIL the FIA has time travel capabilities

    • @nattiedraws
      @nattiedraws 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrMichkov Or perhaps Southpaw went back in time, took from the FIA's ideas here and then jumped back to the future to make youtube videos about the same basic idea

  • @arnaur2870
    @arnaur2870 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    When u said second gear hairpin i had flashbacks lol

    • @nicolesgaming8917
      @nicolesgaming8917 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I had flashbacks when I saw the second gear hairpin infestation.

  • @MauriceWijma
    @MauriceWijma 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only part I don't like about the current layout is the last chicane. It used to be the "busstop chicane" like a short left-right-short-right-lefter. It held a little more speed, but also brought it down enough to have effect. What it is now (and what it has been in between) is a break in the rhythm. But maybe it is just because I am very used to the old one.

  • @oskarstobinski4522
    @oskarstobinski4522 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Well... i Think the last one of the versions might be the best but only if you leave out the real Spa of today.
    I just Can not belive that they all wanted to get Rid of the best corner combination in the world

    • @AdamChristo
      @AdamChristo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oskar Stobinski maybe they all felt that part of the track was too dangerous. In fact it use to be a hard left into a right hand hairpin at eau rouge before blending back into le raddillion.

  • @unlike_common9425
    @unlike_common9425 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I actually like the first design, enough chance to overtake and it has something of everything that makes a good circuit as far as I can tell.

  • @Alstevens83
    @Alstevens83 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the current version of Spa (Spa 98 was the race that made me a diehard F1/motorsport fan), and thanks to Project cars 2 had a chance to try the classic Spa layout and I can understand why they made the changes in general. However, out of the scrapped proposals, I think the second layout you showed when it goes into itself and then back on to what would be the current layout leading into La Source would have been a fun track to race on. Would it have been safer? Probably not but that middle section would have been a fun section to drive.

  • @aprilkurtz1589
    @aprilkurtz1589 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It may have had an insane layout, but at least it wasn't another Tilkedrome. Actually, I like the track very much. It will be until they open the Nordeschliffe.

  • @Disco_S
    @Disco_S 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to see l' Ancienne Douane corner come back or part of it any way as there is a house on the inside of the corner now

  • @JontysCorner
    @JontysCorner 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just need to ditch the current bus stop chicane for the old one, the current one is way way too tight and before was a weird little foible of the track with better overtaking.

  • @amphobius
    @amphobius 5 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    I'd love a video about Suzuka in a similar vein - there's a lot of... interesting proposals in its history, for one way of putting it.

  • @CharlesB9496
    @CharlesB9496 5 ปีที่แล้ว +340

    That first layout is what would inspire a young man named Herman Tilke

    • @Soonjai
      @Soonjai 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Was thinking the same thing. The Layout, without any context of it's topography of the area it is located in, looks terrifyingly like a Tilke Design.

    • @urbanwalrus8993
      @urbanwalrus8993 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      With all the long straights leading into tight corners, several hairpins and never ending turns, it's 100% a Tilke track before it was a thing.

    • @TenorCantusFirmus
      @TenorCantusFirmus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes, me too have thought it would have been disturbingly "Tilkesque"...

    • @tiutubanana7506
      @tiutubanana7506 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Do you guys realize Tilke has made a lot of good tracks like Malasya, Barhain, Estambul, etc

    • @Soonjai
      @Soonjai 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tiutubanana7506 Some of his Redesigns like the Red Bull Ring or Hockenheim aren't that bad, Rudskogen is solid as well, but as for his entirely original Tracks IMO only Istanbul is even worth mentioning and that can't really compare to legendary Tracks like Spa or Suzuka.
      Some of his more minor Tracks might be good as well, don't know all of them, but his original F1 Tracks are either Street Circuits or feel like they should be in a city, they have no good flow what so ever and they all feel the same.

  • @MrZantkiller
    @MrZantkiller 5 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    I hope we get a future video with Jackie Stewart's preferred Monaco proposal - the one that went to France and back...

    • @montruo000000007
      @montruo000000007 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Really? Didn’t know at all about that!

  • @oriolgonzalez9328
    @oriolgonzalez9328 5 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    3:22 "never ending left hander..."
    I know the track is too much for a sane brain, but surely you still knew your lefts from your rights...

    • @SouthPawRacer
      @SouthPawRacer  5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      It's a problem that happens far more often than I'd like.

    • @MrMichkov
      @MrMichkov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Essentially Burnenville

  • @PizzaFaceGuy
    @PizzaFaceGuy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    *_S E C O N D G E A R H A I R P I N S_*

  • @rucarnuts13
    @rucarnuts13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    It’s hard to say which track version I’d like best.
    On paper; I definitely prefer the current layout.
    But... I wish I could try them all out on Assetto Corsa, Automobilista or iRacing. I think seeing them in a more tangible way would be a huge insight, as the potential elevation change is just a bit mind-blowing to me.
    ...
    Also, please do a super serious track guides on Sonoma Raceway - that or butcher the track with a horrific redesign. :)

  • @jeracerx
    @jeracerx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The first one looks like a bitchin Mario Kart track

  • @lisawensink6906
    @lisawensink6906 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    2:12 that is just
    Japan
    China
    Hungary
    Us
    And
    Azerbaijan
    In 1 circuit

    • @benhaley3736
      @benhaley3736 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And the Pocono infield, with the *second gear hairpin*

    • @veronviper06
      @veronviper06 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The second one was a Hokenheim clone it seems

    • @kain5637
      @kain5637 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      but taking the bad parts instead of the good parts

  • @fartvader84yearsago8
    @fartvader84yearsago8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    4:58 Spa-Francorlegs... Looks like a kiwi

  • @MazandJazz
    @MazandJazz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Take a look at the F1 plan for Donnington Park (uk).
    The old Dunlop bridge went, they dug up half the infield....then ran out of cash

    • @AdamChristo
      @AdamChristo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      boygoodj both bridges are now gone. 😩

    • @C.I...
      @C.I... 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AdamChristo I know, lets completely demolish the most iconic feature of our circuit!

    • @AdamChristo
      @AdamChristo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@C.I... There was rumours they were going to put it over the M6 in Birmingham near Fort Dunlop, before Dunlop got kicked out by Jaguar Landrover.

  • @Gordanovich02
    @Gordanovich02 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Someone should make that Spazuka layout in a sim. With the elevation changes it would probably be a really good track to drive.

  • @EthanCookereal
    @EthanCookereal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Loving all these uploads

  • @stijnpaspont
    @stijnpaspont 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The second and last layout make you take blanchimont at aproximatelly 700 km/h.

  • @joshcaminski
    @joshcaminski 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Red Bull ring circuit before it was redesigned by Tilke is something worth a look at, there is also a onboard lap by Nakajima of that circuit, it's insane

  • @owenmacrowski
    @owenmacrowski 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow! I also love looking at maps of tracks, and enjoy the fun challenge of making new ones. It really fascinates me when I See these failed attempts at making a better spa. I would love to see more of these sort of video going foreward, if possible 😀

  • @dylancotton2061
    @dylancotton2061 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That first layout. I think should be built somewhere in the world 😂

  • @noobiix007
    @noobiix007 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I finally know that I'm not an alien thanks to you! I also love looking at maps and maps of racetracks, what a strange hobby we have lmao

  • @gavinmills2806
    @gavinmills2806 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think the final proposal you showed is my favourite out of all them, I think because it still has the same shape as the original and therefore looks like Spa still.
    The second layout just looks like some wild animal with extremely tall legs!

  • @DoubleTime53
    @DoubleTime53 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Would be cool to see a similar video of Fuji.

    • @tomanderson6335
      @tomanderson6335 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd love to see the original plans for the oval, but I fear they may have been lost to history (or at least locked away in a vault somewhere).

    • @MrMichkov
      @MrMichkov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'd like to see them too. But at least with the first corner build and the proposed length (2.5mi iirc) one could extrapolate from there for a layout.

    • @alaeriia01
      @alaeriia01 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solution: replace Fuji with the Fuji Helexicon from Speed Racer and see if Red Bull's car really can drive upside-down as they claim.

    • @DoubleTime53
      @DoubleTime53 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alaeriia01 I mean, it could if they could figure out how to keep the engine running upside down.

    • @ramchickedy9570
      @ramchickedy9570 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tomanderson6335 there is some sort of drawing available on the net. It is not really a plan, but more a picturesque impression of what it might have looked like! Seen from above the Daiichi bank.

  • @ultimatechiller
    @ultimatechiller 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Now, how to ruin that track.

    • @stevenkilsdonk2046
      @stevenkilsdonk2046 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      SPR pulled that offline after the Hubert accident.

  • @sabre0smile
    @sabre0smile 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love these vids, the second gear hairpins and cough urge stuff always cracks me up.

  • @KyleP133
    @KyleP133 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That insane crossover thing... I cant imagine what they were thinking. I guess it was all the rage back then. I think Suzuka had a crossover already so there was precedent for it, but the track looks like something I would have scribbled on some paper with a crayon at 3 years old.
    Its interesting how several of those tracks used that same strip of road between pouhon and campus. I wonder if a public road already existed there, or maybe its just a natural place to put a road given the terrain.

  • @AdrienMinot
    @AdrienMinot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yeaaah ! It's like "how to ruin a racetrack" (i know you won't make some anymore) but with some real stories, i like it ! 👌

  • @natelecarde962
    @natelecarde962 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The first one reminds me of the original Monza layout.

  • @TheKincognito
    @TheKincognito 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I saw the Thumbnail and was like: Wait, you said you won't ruin Racetracks anymore....

  • @deconstructionist1017
    @deconstructionist1017 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    can anyone explain me the second gear hairpins meme

    • @jamesbisset9891
      @jamesbisset9891 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TristanR32 this video th-cam.com/video/mzj3zYL3r9M/w-d-xo.html

  • @escwithbart2003
    @escwithbart2003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Spa's current layout looks like a bird while flying
    The layout shown at 4:56 looks like a bird with a pair of jeans on 😂😂😂

    • @alaeriia01
      @alaeriia01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought Spa looked a bit more like an Uzi.

  • @Dan-Bartlett
    @Dan-Bartlett 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had absolutely no idea the track had so many proposed layout ideas. Excellent vid, mate!

  • @SteamKing2160
    @SteamKing2160 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2nd Gear Hairpin

  • @peterdaviesracing
    @peterdaviesracing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful. Brilliant. Mesmerizing.
    I give it a "2nd gear hairpin" out of ten, would shift into second again.

  • @gabem.5242
    @gabem.5242 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should take a look at gdecarli.it , it's a great source for any track you might want to lay your eyes upon. :)

  • @psychlops924
    @psychlops924 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am in complete agreement with your first four statements. This is how I know we would be best friends if I didn’t live on the complete opposite side of the world.

  • @PescaraProductions
    @PescaraProductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The scary thing about this video is that with the safety concerns brought up over the Eau Rouge/Radillion complex in light of recent events, we could be looking at this kind of stuff again, mainly around the re-profiling of a certain corner. :/

    • @AdamChristo
      @AdamChristo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pescara Productions maybe back then it was more of a real corner with a proper brake and downshift. It’s only due to Downforce that we hang on boarder line flat out.

    • @PescaraProductions
      @PescaraProductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AdamChristo I think a lot of casual race fans never really realise the way it's been straightened out over the years, I always remember Jackie Stewart talking about how it used to be more of a corner. Then there's the true horror that was the 1994 F1 version...

    • @AdamChristo
      @AdamChristo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pescara Productions well eau rouge use to be a hard left into a big ish hairpin. You can still see the tarmac in google mapa

  • @ElChasco_official
    @ElChasco_official 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please. Make more videos about track proposals!

  • @Ian-oe9wp
    @Ian-oe9wp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    looks like the track is a lengthed version of the high speed ring from gran turismo

    • @hihi-fi8by
      @hihi-fi8by 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which one

    • @NotHyperion
      @NotHyperion 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hihi-fi8by the high speed ring

  • @dsfmotorsports1464
    @dsfmotorsports1464 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:29 I S T H I S Z O L D E R ?

  • @aloter1680
    @aloter1680 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Secteur one (exept the fact that there isn't any eay rouge) is pretty cool

  • @iamlarsen7896
    @iamlarsen7896 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some of these proposals line up suspiciously well with the layout they went with in the end

  • @tensor120
    @tensor120 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video. I really love the first showed layout out. I'm always for bridges on track!

  • @troyhawn6163
    @troyhawn6163 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love your content my dude

  • @the_puzzle3412
    @the_puzzle3412 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What astonishes me most about the classic spa is that after a couple of years the track owners decided that the track is still way too slow and that 3 harpins are 2 too much. So they've built the Eau Rouge / Radillion section and added an extremely fast right hand corner outside the town of Stavelot.

  • @vycanismelodis
    @vycanismelodis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sorry but i just can't ignore Those Legs on the second one... thunder thighs francorchamps

  • @eamonahern7495
    @eamonahern7495 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the sitting down with its legs to the left looking one. That with eau rouge/Raidillon and the modern bus stop chicane and pits would be a great circuit, I think.

  • @ChrisR673
    @ChrisR673 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That first one gives me a precursor-vibe for things like 'Complex String' from GT3. Figure 8 in the late 60's? - DO IT!

  • @AntTheMeepasaur
    @AntTheMeepasaur 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Nurburgring GP-Strecke had a few different proposals before the final layout much like Spa (and Suzuka like amphobius mentioned), I reckon that could be interesting to look at.

    • @AntTheMeepasaur
      @AntTheMeepasaur 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      About the proposals of Spa in the video, it's interesting to see how although the layout we got possibly may not have been the best, it by far and away would've aged much better than the other proposals, except maybe the first one.

  • @SajuGraphics
    @SajuGraphics 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would love for this to become a series, really interesting stuff

  • @Ralyertheonly
    @Ralyertheonly 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:12 He speaks about Rouen les Essarts. Nothing to add, do a video about Rouen.
    About this video, about the proposals of Spa, it's hard to imagine how the layout would have to evolve until today, the curent layout only change about the parking area, I mean the run-off area and the chicane bus stop, and i think the proposals would change more than that, they look so ... 1970, with some exception but when you see the 1970 tracks around the world and how they change today ... Well, if someboby create a way to go to an alternate universe, please tell us how Spa is.

  • @viel.anthony
    @viel.anthony 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:28 is basically a Tilke track but larger.

  • @shig.bitz.3205
    @shig.bitz.3205 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been to Spa irl in '05 or '04 for the 24hrs (it was won by a Vitaphone Maserati MC12 might have been Fabio Babini at the wheel) anyway I'd like to reiterate everything you said about elevation change at that circuit.
    I'm from the UK and have visited a few tracks regularly, mainly Silverstone, Donnington and Brands Hatch and even Silverstone (ex RAF airfield) has it's ups n downs, but I was not ready for Spa. These days we take bikes often but I'm so glad I was at Spa on foot. I would have surely died from exhaustion had I been cycling. Watching on TV you really can't tell how steep some of the elevation changes are and you have no idea of how far from everything you are. Sure there are a couple small villages but the track is huge and in some parts when you're in ancient forest wilderness, hearing race cars in the middle of the night, it's incredibly surreal.

  • @EmilGlockner
    @EmilGlockner 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I first came across the historic Spa layout in Project CARS, and I have to say that I found it rather boring. Yes, if you blast down what feels like just a very long straight in modern cars, it can be terrifying and fun, once, but that's it, really. (Doing it in the period-correct racecars is just stupid, IMO. Way to dangerous and still boring). I very much prefer and love modern Spa. It has become one of my living rooms, really.

  • @aloter1680
    @aloter1680 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do the same for Monaco ?

  • @jibathus
    @jibathus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Spa would be perfect if they put the bus stop back in.

  • @FranciscoFuckYeah
    @FranciscoFuckYeah 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My reaction with the first: OMG What a Tilkeing

    • @alaeriia01
      @alaeriia01 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It would be an insane track if it weren't replacing Spa.

  • @Benplay777
    @Benplay777 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The geography wouldn't work though, you might not realize how steep some of the hills around there. Going straight from Kemmel down to Pouhon would be not only steeper than Raidillon, but by quite a bit.

  • @stevenproost5085
    @stevenproost5085 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The last proposal is quite interesting indeed . But it would have been a very steep drop between Les Combes and Blanchimont . With the current F1 cars it would make it a real rollercoaster ride .
    The comment about having to relocate people for the sake of a racetrack is not correct however .
    You're holding the proposed layout over a modern Google map . In the year of the proposal however there was only 1 small farm present on where the circuit would be between Les Combes and Blanchimont . That farm was abandoned for the current modern layout also . All the development you see below Les Combes was just a result from the new track's success

  • @michaelsanger8327
    @michaelsanger8327 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "would it have made better racing?" well, without eau rouge/Radillon stefan bellof might have lived. and we might have seen senna vs bellof for the late 80s early 90s - _that_ would have made better racing.

  • @yewisemountaingoat528
    @yewisemountaingoat528 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Present day Spa kinda looks like an Uzi submachine gun. Lethal track too...

    • @lillnemo1
      @lillnemo1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wot?? A lethal track? How so???
      It's a fun track, the radillon and the downhill hairpin is a bit tricky, but its not a dangerous track by any means

    • @FightingTorque411
      @FightingTorque411 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lillnemo1 Did you miss the entire Anthoine Hubert thing all of one month ago?

  • @discodavid26
    @discodavid26 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Spa modern track compared to the old 60s circuit is a very rare beast off a track that got shorter (by almost half!) and upgraded and yet because of it … it became a better track instead off worse…… there’s not even many tracks that stayed as equally good when they’re gone though a change on the scale that spa did .

  • @Matias_sebastian
    @Matias_sebastian 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    the only difference is the bus stop chicane.... This layout is what f1 used now... The bus stop chicane was to the left and was much faster and the left kin that merged into the straight away

  • @KayoMichiels
    @KayoMichiels 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That first proposal, looks like the worst of the worst of the Tilkedromes all bunched together to form this... 'thing'..

  • @seanomatopoeia
    @seanomatopoeia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video Rhys!

  • @Matias_sebastian
    @Matias_sebastian 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    also the first proposal is not bad at all, the only this Im concerned is the money. This would of been very expensive to build since theres a bridge section

  • @truenorthben
    @truenorthben 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy looks like the Wish.com version (sounds like ir too) of Simon Whistler from "Megaprojects"

  • @rickvisser8296
    @rickvisser8296 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    actually... If Herman Tilke would take alternative 1 as an option for a new track... twitch it a bit on the scale, it would be a fun track to see. It would be better as that Indian track he designed.

  • @Tom_Hadler
    @Tom_Hadler 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You like maps, & you like racetracks...you remind me of me. These videos are so nerdy but I kind of enjoy them

  • @minimaniac7127
    @minimaniac7127 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    id really like to try the one with the bridge, seems really fun cause of the extrem elevations

  • @13crbx
    @13crbx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great topic... Please consider a video about Interlagos, its old amazing layout and the various ideas that led to current layout

  • @ethanle3757
    @ethanle3757 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:00 spa but with pants

  • @jonny6835
    @jonny6835 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Suzuka had some interesting proposals when first built. Would like to see more video's like this.

  • @JuggernuatG
    @JuggernuatG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You had me in stitches @ 2:11 That layout 😂

  • @ELKABONGHERE
    @ELKABONGHERE 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pro tip: If you can still see your chin and jaw line through a bushy beard you just look like a dork.

  • @jeremeymcdude
    @jeremeymcdude 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    we all know what M Schmitz was thinking of when he designed that Spa Layout.

  • @bjorge1896
    @bjorge1896 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Herman Tilke would have made a mess of this, any of these layouts are better than Tilke Bullshit!

  • @nicorosbergf1fan783
    @nicorosbergf1fan783 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you think about the old Bus stop chicane? Do you prefer it to the current layout?

  • @SanrioKyujitsu
    @SanrioKyujitsu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    is it just me or does the current spa layout look kinda like a gun

  • @TURBONATION
    @TURBONATION 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can nanyone make this track for asseto? ahahah i don't know how

  • @mtakala82
    @mtakala82 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please do more of these!

  • @davonmulder5272
    @davonmulder5272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Z O L D E R

  • @jeeves_uk
    @jeeves_uk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone clip that "2nd gear hairpin" bit and loop it for 10 hours

  • @ronknox3376
    @ronknox3376 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    i preferred the original bus stop chicane otherwise the current layout is the best

  • @guenthersteiner9252
    @guenthersteiner9252 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:07 looks like a weird ostrich

  • @jeffreytam7684
    @jeffreytam7684 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:20 Old Hockenheim 2.0, now with ups and downs.

  • @Daz555Daz
    @Daz555Daz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Apart from the stupid chicane at the end of the lap I love Spa.

  • @alvarosouviron1674
    @alvarosouviron1674 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favorite is the first one shown, but the current spa is far better

  • @Koragh_
    @Koragh_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a cursed one lol
    The amount of accidentd and death people

  • @nicolasgarcia8608
    @nicolasgarcia8608 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:11 is that a KKK member walking to the rigth of the screen?

  • @GarkKahn
    @GarkKahn 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks as if spa had a child with suzuka and shanghai

  • @maneeshaliyanapatabendy1481
    @maneeshaliyanapatabendy1481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:42 hungary + imola + shanghai + prolly istanbul

  • @9NineVolt
    @9NineVolt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:56 anyone think this is just Spa with legs? 😂

  • @SonicBoone56
    @SonicBoone56 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should do more track proposal videos lol