Big shout out to TUNE for sending this out for me to use and to show off to all of you, I hope this helps you all in the future, it is not 100 percent needed but this will help everyone get there bike dialed in 100 percent
I was really impressed until I saw how it mounts to the derailleur. There's a lot of slop since it's just mounted by a protruding allen key that goes into the derailleur's allen bolt. You can see it in the video. If you start with slop, I don't know how you end up with precision.
@CrabgrassFarmer Agreed, there will be clearance between the internal hexagon or Torx of the mech/derailleur so not a precise fit and as stated the alignment tool is heavy, so unlikely to be perfect and will have some slop. An expensive bit of kit with design issues, so not for me. To be good it needs much a much longer location ie through the axle to be perfectly square/perpendicular because as stated on 12 or 13 Speed the sprockets are so close together and therefore little margin for error.
@@GCPerformance18 I wasn't concerned about the in-out precision. It was the up-down slop. But you've used it and have a better perspective than I do. But I don't think there's a question that there is up-down slop. Maybe it's just not that critical and you can sort of take it into account. The slop will always be taken up in the downward direction because of the tools weight. That is going to give it some degree of cant/tilt. Maybe you can account for it.
Looks like it works decent for 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock, but doesn't seem like it would help much with the 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions like a traditional Park Tool DAG would. I should also mention modern Shimano derailleur cages are not always in plain with the cassette, I believe the bottom pulley has some natural yaw built into it to help quiet the chain.
@@huskiesparty This was the case with older systems, say 6700 and older. On those it was actually the lower pulley that did the real shifting and the upper pulley had the side to side slop. On newer shadow derailleur systems like R8000 etc, both the upper and lower pulleys have no play and it is more the upper pulley that does the shifting and that pulley has quite aggressive teeth for making that chain move precisely, while the lower one has smoother less aggressive teeth.
It is a gimmick, quite expensive one I presume. This thing wobble around like crazy when you loosen adjustment screw to set it up. So you never know if you are actually set up correctly to reference face which are cassette sprockets. Which means that your cage bending could misalign it instead of aligning. It is no measurement tool as tolerances there are joke. Precision of this thing has to be at least in tenths of mm if not in hundreds as 12spd shimano casette pitch is 3.55mm. This means that it should be build like micrometer to actually do something and be better than DAG tool.
Easy to make yourself. Take a metal Table leg, put a bolt through that had the same pitch as your hanger, with a spacer to clear the axle. Then just use a ruler at the four compass points to check for square.
or use the wheel technique, take an old wheel with free ball bearings (shimano like hub), the axle has the same thread size as derailleur hanger and screw it in. Then just adjust the screwed wheel so it's parallel to other ezpz
Hats off to you for bending your derailleur hanger just to prove the effectivity of the product, it gives us viewer a very good idea how effective the item is! You earned a new subscriber
That intro was hilarious 😂... I was having a really crappy day and with this video you made me laugh so thanks for that!!!!! Hope you had a good Christmas 🎄 and thanks again! Cheers
Remember folks, if you adjust your indexing or hanger, be sure to check your upper and lower limits per shimano, and for DI2, remember the derailleur body should not be resting on the limit screws. Shimano specifies a clearance gap. If not, it could strain the stepper motor and or drain the battery.
@@Elbrunosh if you need rebend the hanger or adjust the indexing, when you go to either the first or last gear, you’ll be at the limit screws. On mechanical derailleur it was normal for the body to rest on the limit screw in first or last gear, but not the case with di2. There is a very small clearance to be set, and that may be thrown off if you were to bend the hanger and as a result redo your indexing.
yes, you have no idea how many bikes come into me that will go into the lowest gear but i can hear the derailer still spazzing out because the limit screw is not adjusted right and trying to shift out
For that screw, maybe best bet is use a hollow ground flat head screwdriver from a gunsmithing toolkit. As for the tool, to me it’s only good as a spot check during the season to prove or validate a previous adjustment is still holding. I’d still use a hanger alignment tool, then adjust my indexing by feel and sound. Once I was happy, I could use this tool to look at it and say “ oh, that’s where the chain ended up being”.
As a pro wrench, to me this falls under the category of gadget. Granted, I would want to have one in my own hands to evaluate it, but unless I am missing something, this can only be used as a gauge and not a tool to do the actual alignment. Can it remain in place along with an alignment tool, or does it sometimes need to be removed? If it could do both gauge and align, then it would have far greater value, IMO. Does the tool have to be disassembled to fit in that "case?" It appears that way, and if it does, then it is essentially worthless.
Yea it is honestly a thing to show Off to the customer. Reminds me of like retul fit or the computer models they show people getting fits done. The fit being done by the fitter does not need all those lasers and electronics on the guy being fit. It is nothing more then the mechanic or fitter doing there job and then showing the consumer “see how good it looks” Yea once done to fit in the case you have to take apart. But as it stays in the shop we won’t put it back in a case. It goes in a tool drawer
@@skiMTB nothing. I would prefer a wooden stick with ducktape and a lazer pointer than a $200 USD tool that does that same thing. That was my point haha. I grew up watching the red and green show so ducktape is a household staple for me
In Europe it costs 105-150 Euro (112-160USD), but this tool is still too expensive, in 9 years I bent once derailleur hanger which costed me 10 USD only : ) With SRAM mechanical derailleur the jockej wheels and cages is more problematic, because it is different angle than Shimano 11 speed derailleurs.
Is the laser barrel indexed to make sure its exactly 90deg to the tool arm itself? I mean if its a round barrel and you dont have that perfect that will start you off with failure
The sound of the chain against the mechanics of the bike components is good enough for me. But, this would be good for those of you running disc brakes on a road bike.
yea for any experience mechanic this tool is not needed, I have adjusted gears for my 13 years of mechanics without this tool before and I can keep doing it that way, this is just a nice tool to show off to the consumer once the job is complete and to make them feel assured the job is done right
Thanks for showing it off. I think I’ll just stick with the old school way, but also I stick with 6-9 speed freewheels and cassettes so I can be a little sloppy with adjustment lol
Just so I understand correctly; you buy this tool then take your bike to the local bike shop and tell them that you have a ticking coming from from the chain / mech lineup ? Does the local bike shop ask if they can borrow it to make the adjustments that the owner of the fancy new gadget can’t ?
no its something for the enthusiast who work on there own bikes at hoime to help them guide them with it, if you are not the person who works on there bike at home then this tool is not for you
honestly I would love to have this tool. I built my entire bike and I'm comfortable doing pretty much any maintenance on my bike the only thing I hate doing and I suck at is adjusting my rear derailleur. I've watched the park tool video probably 100 times and i can never get my rear derailleur 100% tuned in i always end up having to take my bike to my LBS to have them finish dialing it in. I think this tool could really help. Unfortunately $200 is way to much for me to spend lol.
This looks way to complicated plus what if the laser was not properly calibrated ( horizontally and vertically ) ? This concept is the same used in the gun industry to zero riffle scopes. Yes they “help” get the aim close to target but you always have to end up zeroing the correct way. I think the Park Tool alignment tool is easier and can be trusted 100%
A gimmick for suckers. My Dura-Ace 9150 rear derailleur has been manufactured with the cage designed to have a bit of misalignment and it is carbon, if you try to bend it you will break it. Also the hangers on a lot of road bikes now are designed to brake not bend, they are very hard cast and if you try to bend one it will snap in two. You should send it back and say Thanks but No Thanks 😉😉
Almost all hangers I've realigned don't break (I've worked on Specialized, Trek, BMC, Focus and many more), except for that one Pinarello's that was badly bent.
@@yonglingng5640 I bought a brand new Van Nicholas titanium frame and building up I had checked the derailleur alignment and found it to be a bit off. I use the Park Tool tool. When I tried to bend it that little bit it snapped. I had to order a new hanger for the frame which took a couple of weeks to get from the Netherlands. Very hard to determine what the hanger material is but I would be mindful.
Lmao 🤣 haha I built that years ago using the glass tower from inside an incandescent light bulb and an a laser pointer pointing at the glass section which makes a line laser. This was about 10 years ago, worked well but went back to eyesight and stopped using it.
Cool idea but poorly executed imho. (like how you almost dropped it) I can't believe it just sit on the derailleur bolt with a hex or torx bit. As everyone knows there's a bit of tolerance between the bolt and the bit (or any tool) that varies by the manufacture of the bolt and/or the tool. As you can see in the video itself that depending on how you are holding this laser tool the laser alignment changed even though the tool is still attached to the derailleur. This is why when we use the normal derailleur hanger alignment tool we press lightly in the consistent direction towards the rim at 4 opposing spots to get an accurate reading. An alignment tool properly tightened to the derailleur hanger still have a tiny wiggle room (tolerance) at its attachment (between bolt and the rotating beam). The other possible issue is that some rear derailleur may be designed to have a slight angle and tolerance built in the pulley cage in order to shift better. Anyway thanks for the video and let's hope things improve.
about that screw, well to be honest high end stuff/tools do come with flat head screws because it is the simplest and fastest screw type compared to a hex screw which is much more fiddly to deal with.
What's to say if the laser line is parallel to the dropout? I think you have to first get the dropout angle first, and then compare it to the angle of the cogs and pulley. Also, you shouldn't touch the pulley when trying to realign. When you purposely bent the hanger, you didn't bend the cage. But to get it realigned, you are bending it back anyways, in the opposite direction. The right way to do it would be to remove the hanger and straighten it in a vise, and reinstall. You only straighten the cage if it is actually bent and not if the sacrificial hanger is bent.
puley cages can get bent, so this is the process of figuring out what got damage in the fall with the consumer, sometimes the hanger is strait and the cage of a stock derailer just got tweaked, this happens alot to be honest, the only way to fix it in this matter would be to tweak it back or replace the cage
This tool was released back in 2017. I don't understand why Tune sent you the product now, especially since it is not in stock in any bike shop anywhere (in Europe).
Never seen tune rims in the flesh, but they are beautiful. Looking at a bike now with tune rims. They are beautiful! Little tool is very nice too. I'm thinking tune is a nice company
Isnt this just a glorified laser level? You could get a 20$ laserlevel from Aliexpress on a tripod and achieve the same. OTOH I m located in Germany and the price ist ~125$ which isnt too terrible
yes it is, just like every bike tool is a glorified tool, a bicycle torque wrench is just a glorified torque wrench that u can get for much cheaper at a home depot
I have Tune bottle cage and also set of TSR35 wheels. They are overall very nice wheels that I bought with Campag compatible freehub but due to the design for holding the cassette (4 points so the cassette keeps slipping), the chain kept banging off the chainstay (due to slipping slackness). Ended up switching to their Shimano compatible freehub and absolutely fine - just not now on the intended bike. Would I recommend Tune - yes - but just stay away from the Campag compatible freehub.
No thank you, I've been dialling in index gear systems since the 80's with no problems at all, even the stubborn SUNTOUR index systems from the same period as well. And this tool will only fix one aspect of proper derailleur adjustment, bad gear changing can also be from rusty cables, cable housing ends could be frayed, entering and exiting of cable housing could be kinked, basically caused by housing being to short, also cable routing can also cause problems as well. Long chains can be a problem as well, I had a customer come in for wheel truing and he complained that he could never do better than a 5th place finish, I took a look at his rear derailleur and said I think your chain is a bit long because your chain is being sandwiched in be tween the pulley and the cogs, so we removed a link and he took his bike for a test ride and came back with a Kool aid smile and said WOW it's so much more smoother, I asked so which other shop has been servicing your bike for you, his reply shop a that has been servicing his bike for well over 15 years. So to say there's many other reasons why a gear system will not be working properly.
yea for real majority of real mechanics we wil not need this tool, I can put a bike into my stand put it into indexing mode and adjust gears just on sound alone, this is similar to like the laser for bike fits, more of a show for consumers out there or maybe to show a trainee
10:19 looks like a very impractical tools. When you bend the cage on gear 1, it will affect / disturb / mess-up the alignment of gear 12. Then you bend the cage on gear 12, the gear 1 will be off again. The best is still the proper hanger alignment tool not a cage alignment tool with expensive laser.
Omg bro, I missed your funny as videos, so another successful funny video, and what an awesome tool and I swear I was waiting for the end of the video to see how much the tool was gonna cost ? Pleasantly surprised with the $200 tag I thought you were gonna say $500 bucks or so…lol, quick question? Are you or your store gonna be selling this tool ? One’s again awesome video, thanks brother
The craftsmanship is incredible!! Not just the precision, but also the look and feel. Hat's off to Tune. So, how can I get my hand on one of those cases?
@GCPerformance, could you become an authorized dealer for these? From the Tune website it looks like LeMond is the only dealer in the US. Not sure I'd want to order from LeMond considering what their website looks like.
it helps for sure, I mean you need the right driver for the tool, the tool is there to assist you but if you dont knwo what ur doing with what ur seeing then there is nothign that wil help
This is more like an indexing assist tool to get the derailleur indexed to millimetre perfection. I don't remember Tune says this doubles as a hanger alignment gauge (have to look back again).
the play is always gonna be the same because the bit bottoms out in the space of the hole, so there is no issues there, as long as it sits in the same spot it should be the same spot
@@GCPerformance18 naw man! We enjoy your content! I gotta hit you up about reviewing my canyon soon but i got a lil bit of a slipping seatpost issue I'm trying to sort out with them first. Does your shop do a ride on Saturdays mornings? If so, would you mind sharing the details? Location, pedals up time, etc?
That is one cool tool! I’d probably buy one if they were available. Looks like they are sold out domestically, I’ll have to check their site. Thanks for posting!
This may be of some use to a workshop when time is money ? I think anyone who can’t adjust their dérailleur on their own bike after 12 months of riding without that tool might as well give up riding? The cable stretches a fraction and needs a little adjustment or not every few thousand kilometres. Nobody who services their own chain needs that tool in my opinion.
Do you really need to make down pulley wheel at the stright line with the upper pulley wheel? I see many tutorials said you just need to make sure the upper pulley wheel is in line with the cog.
Once the guide pulley (upper pulley) is inline with your current cog, it'll be fine. If the entire derailleur is at an obvious angle outside vertical, the hanger needs realignment/replacement.
@@yonglingng5640 thanks! But this laser tool is so expensive. I‘d rather use normal hanger alignment tool. One thing very interesting is even if it has tiny bend, it still can shift well.
@@yonglingng5640 I am using R9270 derailleur. The indexing is really easy using the app and does not be very accurate to get to perfect shifting. According to the video, it looks more likely to adjust the hanger.
@@landoag1041 I index fourth-generation Di2 without my phone for the rear derailleur, but with for the front derailleur. One of the only things that don't scream easy is STI lever firmware updating, they still require a wired connection, either to its battery or an SM-PCE02 hooked up to a computer. This isn't a problem for the rim brake counterparts as they're still fully wired.
No no no , this instrument its to raw to measure the perfect alignment , there is the other version witch reach the rim , and circles the rim , as a bike mechanic , i would not use this laser tool , this is for fancy showcase ...
I saw 'Tune' in the description and i stopped watching only because I try to avoid seeing things that I might buy but either can't justify or mostly can't afford 😭
While this tool is overkill you could argue, 11 and 12 speed is no longer an eyeballing proposition IMHO. The tolerances are just too tight to really get it right without some sort of derailleur alignment tool. It may work "okay", but "okay" is not right and you risk excess wear and tear and subpar shifting. But if you are okay with that...🤷 Many people think their bike shifts well until they ride one that really does.
yea you can eyeball it and this might be the situation for you, but seeing these repairs on the weekly from consumers damaging there own equipment, this will come in handy for some and maybe not you.... and sometimes more in depth tools are needed to help fix the problenm
exactly!!!! people might think they neevr need this because for there situation they never need it, but this is why there is a industry and me working in a store and seeing these customer problems happening on the weekly there is a need for these tools for sure, there are a lot of problem customers out there in this world
@@larrymcgoldrick3471 I use 11 speed and my bike shifts beautifully - adjusted by eyeballing. Your assertion that you can only achieve OK is pretty arrogant, maybe your experience so please continue to utilise whatever tool you have but don't diss others who can achieve same without
@@GCPerformance18 you would be correct to assert there are alot of people who tinker with their bike and haven't taken the time to learn proper maintenance techniques. This still doesn't justify the tool's usefulness for those who are competent but hey enjoy!
its getting silly how the road bike industry is just plain ripping people off now with stuff you dont need to run a road bike. the bike buy in price points are ridiculous as it is.
Wow that is good money for exactly what my good old eyeballs can so. The worst case I get a straight edge out to help the eyeballs if I have been drinking.
Absolutely not the tool to use. Seriously...grab the derailleur with your hand and use that for leverage to bend then hanger...what are you whacked? Get a good hanger tool like Abbey keep it in your portable box and also keep to spare hangers. Everyone usually carry emergency allen-keys when them when they ride and you could always drop a spare hanger in a pocket or pouch and take it with you.
Simply not needed. Adjusting a derailleur is easy. This tool does nothing but spend your money on something you didn't need. Biking industry at it again.
hahaha I had so many people dm me after this video saying they are just going to use a tripod and laser level, but those are also pretty pricy I have a bosch one and a nice tripod it was like 140 usd
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Big shout out to TUNE for sending this out for me to use and to show off to all of you, I hope this helps you all in the future, it is not 100 percent needed but this will help everyone get there bike dialed in 100 percent
What's wrong if on 12s cassette 4 middle cogs are making noise but the smallest and biggest in the are silent. Thank you for your help
Check the rear mech alignment, could be that the hanger is not straight.
3:58 just my imagination or do we say craftsmanshift?
I was really impressed until I saw how it mounts to the derailleur. There's a lot of slop since it's just mounted by a protruding allen key that goes into the derailleur's allen bolt. You can see it in the video. If you start with slop, I don't know how you end up with precision.
if the tool is using the same key to enter and it is the same hole and it bottoms out, it should be the same tolerance going in and out
@CrabgrassFarmer Agreed, there will be clearance between the internal hexagon or Torx of the mech/derailleur so not a precise fit and as stated the alignment tool is heavy, so unlikely to be perfect and will have some slop.
An expensive bit of kit with design issues, so not for me. To be good it needs much a much longer location ie through the axle to be perfectly square/perpendicular because as stated on 12 or 13 Speed the sprockets are so close together and therefore little margin for error.
@@GCPerformance18 I wasn't concerned about the in-out precision. It was the up-down slop. But you've used it and have a better perspective than I do. But I don't think there's a question that there is up-down slop. Maybe it's just not that critical and you can sort of take it into account. The slop will always be taken up in the downward direction because of the tools weight. That is going to give it some degree of cant/tilt. Maybe you can account for it.
I cannot see how the attachment method will give a precision setup?
@palmergaz
Late to the party, but it can’t/won’t. Way too much slop makes the laser irrelevant.
You know, I have one simple request, and that is to have derailleur alignment tools with frickin laser beams attached to their heads - Dr Evil
“Why must I be surrounded by frickin’ idiots?”
Great minds think alike...
Hahahaha
I always suspected Dr Evil was a dentist
@@GCPerformance18 if I act now can I do 10 easy payments of $19.95 😂
Looks like it works decent for 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock, but doesn't seem like it would help much with the 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions like a traditional Park Tool DAG would. I should also mention modern Shimano derailleur cages are not always in plain with the cassette, I believe the bottom pulley has some natural yaw built into it to help quiet the chain.
Actually the upper pulley has a wee bit of side-to-side play, it is to improve shifting.
@@huskiesparty This was the case with older systems, say 6700 and older. On those it was actually the lower pulley that did the real shifting and the upper pulley had the side to side slop. On newer shadow derailleur systems like R8000 etc, both the upper and lower pulleys have no play and it is more the upper pulley that does the shifting and that pulley has quite aggressive teeth for making that chain move precisely, while the lower one has smoother less aggressive teeth.
It is a gimmick, quite expensive one I presume. This thing wobble around like crazy when you loosen adjustment screw to set it up. So you never know if you are actually set up correctly to reference face which are cassette sprockets. Which means that your cage bending could misalign it instead of aligning.
It is no measurement tool as tolerances there are joke. Precision of this thing has to be at least in tenths of mm if not in hundreds as 12spd shimano casette pitch is 3.55mm. This means that it should be build like micrometer to actually do something and be better than DAG tool.
Easy to make yourself. Take a metal Table leg, put a bolt through that had the same pitch as your hanger, with a spacer to clear the axle. Then just use a ruler at the four compass points to check for square.
or use the wheel technique, take an old wheel with free ball bearings (shimano like hub), the axle has the same thread size as derailleur hanger and screw it in. Then just adjust the screwed wheel so it's parallel to other ezpz
Hats off to you for bending your derailleur hanger just to prove the effectivity of the product, it gives us viewer a very good idea how effective the item is!
You earned a new subscriber
haha Thanks so much!! I figured I need to show some evidence of this, I cant just run the tool on a brand new stock hanger lol
That intro was hilarious 😂... I was having a really crappy day and with this video you made me laugh so thanks for that!!!!!
Hope you had a good Christmas 🎄 and thanks again! Cheers
hahah Thanks man I am glad you enjoyed it and it gave u a good laugh
Remember folks, if you adjust your indexing or hanger, be sure to check your upper and lower limits per shimano, and for DI2, remember the derailleur body should not be resting on the limit screws. Shimano specifies a clearance gap. If not, it could strain the stepper motor and or drain the battery.
Pls again… I don‘t get it 😅 resting on the limit screws when?
@@Elbrunosh if you need rebend the hanger or adjust the indexing, when you go to either the first or last gear, you’ll be at the limit screws. On mechanical derailleur it was normal for the body to rest on the limit screw in first or last gear, but not the case with di2. There is a very small clearance to be set, and that may be thrown off if you were to bend the hanger and as a result redo your indexing.
yes, you have no idea how many bikes come into me that will go into the lowest gear but i can hear the derailer still spazzing out because the limit screw is not adjusted right and trying to shift out
For that screw, maybe best bet is use a hollow ground flat head screwdriver from a gunsmithing toolkit. As for the tool, to me it’s only good as a spot check during the season to prove or validate a previous adjustment is still holding. I’d still use a hanger alignment tool, then adjust my indexing by feel and sound. Once I was happy, I could use this tool to look at it and say “ oh, that’s where the chain ended up being”.
As a pro wrench, to me this falls under the category of gadget. Granted, I would want to have one in my own hands to evaluate it, but unless I am missing something, this can only be used as a gauge and not a tool to do the actual alignment. Can it remain in place along with an alignment tool, or does it sometimes need to be removed? If it could do both gauge and align, then it would have far greater value, IMO.
Does the tool have to be disassembled to fit in that "case?" It appears that way, and if it does, then it is essentially worthless.
Yea it is honestly a thing to show
Off to the customer. Reminds me of like retul fit or the computer models they show people getting fits done. The fit being done by the fitter does not need all those lasers and electronics on the guy being fit. It is nothing more then the mechanic or fitter doing there job and then showing the consumer “see how good it looks”
Yea once done to fit in the case you have to take apart. But as it stays in the shop we won’t put it back in a case. It goes in a tool drawer
I agree it is not much better than a vertical lazer pointer duck taped to a wooden stick in terms of practicality
There is an inherent flaw due always a loose fit of the Allen key.
I cannot consider this as a usefull tool.
Yet another painfull anal plug
@@zacharyerskine4277 what's wrong with a little duct tape or electrical tape to fix / improve upon a tool?
@@skiMTB nothing. I would prefer a wooden stick with ducktape and a lazer pointer than a $200 USD tool that does that same thing. That was my point haha. I grew up watching the red and green show so ducktape is a household staple for me
In Europe it costs 105-150 Euro (112-160USD), but this tool is still too expensive, in 9 years I bent once derailleur hanger which costed me 10 USD only : ) With SRAM mechanical derailleur the jockej wheels and cages is more problematic, because it is different angle than Shimano 11 speed derailleurs.
Is the laser barrel indexed to make sure its exactly 90deg to the tool arm itself? I mean if its a round barrel and you dont have that perfect that will start you off with failure
It’s outrageous how good this tool is for a home mechanic 👌🏼
It's not necessary actually.
@@yonglingng5640 I realise that I’ve worked on bikes for 15 years
Brilliant post. Thanks so much for the info. Your really provide a unique and valuable resource for the average cycling/blue collar/racing cyclist.
Thanks so much for watching!!!! I enjoy making videos like this, something not ad blasted and also something more down to earth
Love this .. I have Ekar 13 speed.. it’s difficult to eye ball.. I end up doing it by sound\ feel .. super interesting from Tune 👍
yes 13 speed it will help greatly with this, there are such small tolerances
Love that CGI from the beginning of the video😂🤙
this was my mopst expensive video yet with the cgi lol
The sound of the chain against the mechanics of the bike components is good enough for me. But, this would be good for those of you running disc brakes on a road bike.
yea for any experience mechanic this tool is not needed, I have adjusted gears for my 13 years of mechanics without this tool before and I can keep doing it that way, this is just a nice tool to show off to the consumer once the job is complete and to make them feel assured the job is done right
Aethos hangars are noodle-soft and are easily bent. Looks like a good tool!
lol they are meant to be light weight
On cam: bends derailleur hanger to hell...
Off cam: installs new derailleur hanger...
Back on cam: Tool works perfect 👌🤠
JK :))) tool looks cool af 😍
hahahahha
Thanks for showing it off. I think I’ll just stick with the old school way, but also I stick with 6-9 speed freewheels and cassettes so I can be a little sloppy with adjustment lol
Just so I understand correctly; you buy this tool then take your bike to the local bike shop and tell them that you have a ticking coming from from the chain / mech lineup ? Does the local bike shop ask if they can borrow it to make the adjustments that the owner of the fancy new gadget can’t ?
no its something for the enthusiast who work on there own bikes at hoime to help them guide them with it, if you are not the person who works on there bike at home then this tool is not for you
honestly I would love to have this tool. I built my entire bike and I'm comfortable doing pretty much any maintenance on my bike the only thing I hate doing and I suck at is adjusting my rear derailleur. I've watched the park tool video probably 100 times and i can never get my rear derailleur 100% tuned in i always end up having to take my bike to my LBS to have them finish dialing it in. I think this tool could really help. Unfortunately $200 is way to much for me to spend lol.
This looks way to complicated plus what if the laser was not properly calibrated ( horizontally and vertically ) ?
This concept is the same used in the gun industry to zero riffle scopes. Yes they “help” get the aim close to target but you always have to end up zeroing the correct way.
I think the Park Tool alignment tool is easier and can be trusted 100%
A gimmick for suckers. My Dura-Ace 9150 rear derailleur has been manufactured with the cage designed to have a bit of misalignment and it is carbon, if you try to bend it you will break it. Also the hangers on a lot of road bikes now are designed to brake not bend, they are very hard cast and if you try to bend one it will snap in two. You should send it back and say Thanks but No Thanks 😉😉
Almost all hangers I've realigned don't break (I've worked on Specialized, Trek, BMC, Focus and many more), except for that one Pinarello's that was badly bent.
@@yonglingng5640 I bought a brand new Van Nicholas titanium frame and building up I had checked the derailleur alignment and found it to be a bit off. I use the Park Tool tool. When I tried to bend it that little bit it snapped. I had to order a new hanger for the frame which took a couple of weeks to get from the Netherlands. Very hard to determine what the hanger material is but I would be mindful.
@@charlesmansplaining I remember realigning a Van Nicholas' hanger before, but it remained intact post-realignment.
And the best actor award goes to ...like the tool,I have the manual one w/out lazer ,I have 13 bikes I keep tuned.
Lmao 🤣 haha I built that years ago using the glass tower from inside an incandescent light bulb and an a laser pointer pointing at the glass section which makes a line laser. This was about 10 years ago, worked well but went back to eyesight and stopped using it.
Lmao
Cool idea but poorly executed imho. (like how you almost dropped it) I can't believe it just sit on the derailleur bolt with a hex or torx bit. As everyone knows there's a bit of tolerance between the bolt and the bit (or any tool) that varies by the manufacture of the bolt and/or the tool. As you can see in the video itself that depending on how you are holding this laser tool the laser alignment changed even though the tool is still attached to the derailleur. This is why when we use the normal derailleur hanger alignment tool we press lightly in the consistent direction towards the rim at 4 opposing spots to get an accurate reading. An alignment tool properly tightened to the derailleur hanger still have a tiny wiggle room (tolerance) at its attachment (between bolt and the rotating beam). The other possible issue is that some rear derailleur may be designed to have a slight angle and tolerance built in the pulley cage in order to shift better. Anyway thanks for the video and let's hope things improve.
about that screw, well to be honest high end stuff/tools do come with flat head screws because it is the simplest and fastest screw type compared to a hex screw which is much more fiddly to deal with.
I need a skinnier flat head then
Get a gunsmithing tool kit. What you want for that screw is a hollow ground flat blade screwdriver.
That looks pretty good no need to remove the mech
yea it is a nice tool and make it easy for indexing
What's to say if the laser line is parallel to the dropout? I think you have to first get the dropout angle first, and then compare it to the angle of the cogs and pulley.
Also, you shouldn't touch the pulley when trying to realign. When you purposely bent the hanger, you didn't bend the cage. But to get it realigned, you are bending it back anyways, in the opposite direction. The right way to do it would be to remove the hanger and straighten it in a vise, and reinstall. You only straighten the cage if it is actually bent and not if the sacrificial hanger is bent.
puley cages can get bent, so this is the process of figuring out what got damage in the fall with the consumer, sometimes the hanger is strait and the cage of a stock derailer just got tweaked, this happens alot to be honest, the only way to fix it in this matter would be to tweak it back or replace the cage
This tool was released back in 2017. I don't understand why Tune sent you the product now, especially since it is not in stock in any bike shop anywhere (in Europe).
idk I saw it on instagram I tagged them and said this looked cool, they reached out and asked me if I wanted to do a vidoe on it
Never seen tune rims in the flesh, but they are beautiful. Looking at a bike now with tune rims. They are beautiful! Little tool is very nice too. I'm thinking tune is a nice company
I neevr seen the rims in the flesh but the hubs are huge flex and nice quality
Isnt this just a glorified laser level? You could get a 20$ laserlevel from Aliexpress on a tripod and achieve the same. OTOH I m located in Germany and the price ist ~125$ which isnt too terrible
yes it is, just like every bike tool is a glorified tool, a bicycle torque wrench is just a glorified torque wrench that u can get for much cheaper at a home depot
Nice review! For bike mechanics who are working with bikes all day it's a great tool. But for the normal amateur it is just to expensive.
this is true, also this adjustment would bne just about 10 bucks at a shop so not needed for a normal consumer
I have Tune bottle cage and also set of TSR35 wheels. They are overall very nice wheels that I bought with Campag compatible freehub but due to the design for holding the cassette (4 points so the cassette keeps slipping), the chain kept banging off the chainstay (due to slipping slackness). Ended up switching to their Shimano compatible freehub and absolutely fine - just not now on the intended bike. Would I recommend Tune - yes - but just stay away from the Campag compatible freehub.
yea but alot of campag freehubs have that kind of spacing
How much is it? I don't want to create an account and sign in just to check
Hello love the video! Are you selling these Tune derailler laser? I can’t find them anywhere. Thx
hello!!! send me an email gcperformanceyt@gmail.com I can try to work something out
No thank you, I've been dialling in index gear systems since the 80's with no problems at all, even the stubborn SUNTOUR index systems from the same period as well.
And this tool will only fix one aspect of proper derailleur adjustment, bad gear changing can also be from rusty cables, cable housing ends could be frayed, entering and exiting of cable housing could be kinked, basically caused by housing being to short, also cable routing can also cause problems as well. Long chains can be a problem as well, I had a customer come in for wheel truing and he complained that he could never do better than a 5th place finish, I took a look at his rear derailleur and said I think your chain is a bit long because your chain is being sandwiched in be tween the pulley and the cogs, so we removed a link and he took his bike for a test ride and came back with a Kool aid smile and said WOW it's so much more smoother, I asked so which other shop has been servicing your bike for you, his reply shop a that has been servicing his bike for well over 15 years. So to say there's many other reasons why a gear system will not be working properly.
yea for real majority of real mechanics we wil not need this tool, I can put a bike into my stand put it into indexing mode and adjust gears just on sound alone, this is similar to like the laser for bike fits, more of a show for consumers out there or maybe to show a trainee
Impressive 🫶🏼🙏🏼
Thank you
so, why can't you buy a laser pointer for 3 bucks and do the same? electromagnetic waves propagate on the straight line no matter what tool you buy
This is designed to go into the frame and have the frame assist with the line up.
10:19 looks like a very impractical tools. When you bend the cage on gear 1, it will affect / disturb / mess-up the alignment of gear 12. Then you bend the cage on gear 12, the gear 1 will be off again. The best is still the proper hanger alignment tool not a cage alignment tool with expensive laser.
Doesn’t fit on my Campa SR12 EPS which needs a T30 from the inside. I cannot fit any bit from the outside. Any suggestions?
you can’t even purchased as customers from their site,and I can’t find in any retailers in my country
this vid was educational 👏🏼👏🏼 make more vids like this plss 🙏🙏🙏
I will for sure!!!
first step should be to connect bike on diagnostic software to see if any DTC
Very good.
Thanks!
Omg bro, I missed your funny as videos, so another successful funny video, and what an awesome tool and I swear I was waiting for the end of the video to see how much the tool was gonna cost ? Pleasantly surprised with the $200 tag I thought you were gonna say $500 bucks or so…lol, quick question? Are you or your store gonna be selling this tool ? One’s again awesome video, thanks brother
I have one and love it.
really? nice!!
200 bucks hmmm ☹️..100 and I’m ordering one 😄👍
The craftsmanship is incredible!! Not just the precision, but also the look and feel.
Hat's off to Tune. So, how can I get my hand on one of those cases?
in 50 years more we are going to tune the bikes using particle accelerators! rocket science for every american , including homeless people!
You sold me on the packaging
Nice tool but if you get it caught in the spokes and say goodbye to $200
trueeeeee just make sure we look before installing the tool on the bike
You had me at it's made by Tune but when the frickin lazor kicked in that's it I'm done, just take my money.
If you could use it for the brakediscs too.
Just use a sram derailleur. Then the derailleur leg will not bend inward due to lack of durability.
@GCPerformance, could you become an authorized dealer for these? From the Tune website it looks like LeMond is the only dealer in the US. Not sure I'd want to order from LeMond considering what their website looks like.
yea I have a contact over there I am sure if I wanted to sell them or had a demand for them I can get them to sell them
I can't seem to order this product if I'm not a company/dealer. what is my option?
they are closed until the 3rd I am waiting to hear form my guy over there
Now, where do we buy this tool in the States?
im working with them now to try and get some for over here
@@GCPerformance18 Thank you!
I bought the same container for my fishing equipment from aliexpress, thus so u know that case is made in China and not in Germany
hahahah ahhhhh dam germans!!!
@@GCPerformance18 Lets just hope that tool itself is made in Germany or at least by German machines and technologies
Nice gadget to have but wouldn’t go out of my way to buy one. Not cheap in Aussie dollars. BTW, love the look & sound of your Hyper wheels🔥
:)) love them too!! but yes this tool is I would say a compliment to a god mechanic, just shows the work you did is correct for the consumer
I wonder if it would diagnose an 11 speed Campagnolo drivetrain alignment?
it helps for sure, I mean you need the right driver for the tool, the tool is there to assist you but if you dont knwo what ur doing with what ur seeing then there is nothign that wil help
Is this tool similar to abbey tools hanger alignment gauge? I know that tool is just as expensive at $185
This is more like an indexing assist tool to get the derailleur indexed to millimetre perfection. I don't remember Tune says this doubles as a hanger alignment gauge (have to look back again).
yes more as an indexing tool, for those tight tolerance 12 speed drivetrains
Awesome tool 🏅🚴👏
You get a thumb up from me sir
What about the play that 5mm bit has in the derailleur hanger bolt? Not perfect perpendicular to the cassette
the play is always gonna be the same because the bit bottoms out in the space of the hole, so there is no issues there, as long as it sits in the same spot it should be the same spot
We need the blooper clips for the roleplay in the beginning of the video.
hahahhah funny thing is, it is just me so I jsut feel like a loser more then anything
@@GCPerformance18 naw man! We enjoy your content! I gotta hit you up about reviewing my canyon soon but i got a lil bit of a slipping seatpost issue I'm trying to sort out with them first. Does your shop do a ride on Saturdays mornings? If so, would you mind sharing the details? Location, pedals up time, etc?
That is one cool tool! I’d probably buy one if they were available. Looks like they are sold out domestically, I’ll have to check their site. Thanks for posting!
yea I just got this tool vbecause they just came back in stock
It will be back in stock in around 8 weeks :/
The site doesn’t show the price. Can we buy this on Amazon?
No, only from our official dealers. But it is currently sold out everywhere but will be back in stock in around 8 weeks!
It’s time for a tool giveaway🎉
that would be pretty bad ass, might have to include it
That intro, don't give up the day job lol
hahhaha, super in depth acting
This may be of some use to a workshop when time is money ? I think anyone who can’t adjust their dérailleur on their own bike after 12 months of riding without that tool might as well give up riding? The cable stretches a fraction and needs a little adjustment or not every few thousand kilometres. Nobody who services their own chain needs that tool in my opinion.
Surely a ruler or straight bit of plastic would do the same thing.
yes
Put a derailleur cage on to protect your rear derailleur in case of a fall
Some older bikes do use one, but I've never seen a modern-day version before, if it does exist.
@@yonglingng5640 I have one on my bike...Amazon carries them.
perfect for those who have Absolute Black ospw too! LOL
How can I purchase? I cant find it on your site
we sell them I have to order but th ecompany is currently closed for holiday until the 3 of january, but email me and I can send out
Do you really need to make down pulley wheel at the stright line with the upper pulley wheel? I see many tutorials said you just need to make sure the upper pulley wheel is in line with the cog.
Once the guide pulley (upper pulley) is inline with your current cog, it'll be fine. If the entire derailleur is at an obvious angle outside vertical, the hanger needs realignment/replacement.
@@yonglingng5640 thanks! But this laser tool is so expensive. I‘d rather use normal hanger alignment tool. One thing very interesting is even if it has tiny bend, it still can shift well.
@@landoag1041 This is actually an indexing assist tool, I don't remember Tune saying it acts as a hanger alignment gauge too.
@@yonglingng5640 I am using R9270 derailleur. The indexing is really easy using the app and does not be very accurate to get to perfect shifting. According to the video, it looks more likely to adjust the hanger.
@@landoag1041 I index fourth-generation Di2 without my phone for the rear derailleur, but with for the front derailleur.
One of the only things that don't scream easy is STI lever firmware updating, they still require a wired connection, either to its battery or an SM-PCE02 hooked up to a computer. This isn't a problem for the rim brake counterparts as they're still fully wired.
No no no , this instrument its to raw to measure the perfect alignment , there is the other version witch reach the rim , and circles the rim , as a bike mechanic , i would not use this laser tool , this is for fancy showcase ...
I saw 'Tune' in the description and i stopped watching only because I try to avoid seeing things that I might buy but either can't justify or mostly can't afford 😭
Looks good
Dude is straight up wearing chaps
I love that🤩
A solution for a problem that doesn’t exist, never had an issue doing this by just eyeballing it, the lasers might appeal to Dr Evil though……..
While this tool is overkill you could argue, 11 and 12 speed is no longer an eyeballing proposition IMHO. The tolerances are just too tight to really get it right without some sort of derailleur alignment tool. It may work "okay", but "okay" is not right and you risk excess wear and tear and subpar shifting. But if you are okay with that...🤷 Many people think their bike shifts well until they ride one that really does.
yea you can eyeball it and this might be the situation for you, but seeing these repairs on the weekly from consumers damaging there own equipment, this will come in handy for some and maybe not you.... and sometimes more in depth tools are needed to help fix the problenm
exactly!!!! people might think they neevr need this because for there situation they never need it, but this is why there is a industry and me working in a store and seeing these customer problems happening on the weekly there is a need for these tools for sure, there are a lot of problem customers out there in this world
@@larrymcgoldrick3471 I use 11 speed and my bike shifts beautifully - adjusted by eyeballing. Your assertion that you can only achieve OK is pretty arrogant, maybe your experience so please continue to utilise whatever tool you have but don't diss others who can achieve same without
@@GCPerformance18 you would be correct to assert there are alot of people who tinker with their bike and haven't taken the time to learn proper maintenance techniques. This still doesn't justify the tool's usefulness for those who are competent but hey enjoy!
its getting silly how the road bike industry is just plain ripping people off now with stuff you dont need to run a road bike. the bike buy in price points are ridiculous as it is.
Has anyone seen a shop with this in stock and can be shipped to the US?
working on trying to get some stock over here
Fine tool! 🚲
agreed!!!
A RADICAL fall
You mean fail.
:)
yes
Wow that is good money for exactly what my good old eyeballs can so. The worst case I get a straight edge out to help the eyeballs if I have been drinking.
Yesss
Perhaps it would help a senior cyclist whose eyes and hands are not as good they once were.
So apparently it is not as quality made… way to much place for mistakes and 0 fine tuning. Put it on a real test.
it is very qualityt made
Does it work on Campy?
yes it does!!
No thanks :)
no problem
Absolutely not the tool to use. Seriously...grab the derailleur with your hand and use that for leverage to bend then hanger...what are you whacked?
Get a good hanger tool like Abbey keep it in your portable box and also keep to spare hangers.
Everyone usually carry emergency allen-keys when them when they ride and you could always drop a spare hanger in a pocket or pouch and take it with you.
This is a tool for professional adjustment. But yes I can easily line up a hanger with my hand and Allen wrench I due it alot
Simply not needed. Adjusting a derailleur is easy. This tool does nothing but spend your money on something you didn't need. Biking industry at it again.
agree it is not needed just a cool tool to show off to consumers to show them the detail of your work
I agree, I don't see the value. I adjust my derailleur by eye and ears. Do you really need something like this at all?
Poor Scott..😂
scott "took the fall" for specialized one might say
ShepherdChapel YT explains the whole Bible.God bless.
Not if you own a Rohloff!
Single speed is solution
hahahah
95% of my drive train problems are caused by four letters SRAM
0:46 Sus🤨
fuggin sussy baka
I wonder if anyone has found a way to align a derailleur using a construction laser
hahaha I had so many people dm me after this video saying they are just going to use a tripod and laser level, but those are also pretty pricy I have a bosch one and a nice tripod it was like 140 usd
Those construction lasers are better than this! Those lasers made by Bosch are perfectly calibrated.
@@thedronescene7474 I have something similar to measure my saddle's fore & aft between the nose and the BB shell's centre.
@@thedronescene7474 no doubt, but can you set one up on a tripod to do the same thing? Of course, the bike must be in the same plane
Haha that acting!!! 👍
going for a acting job soon hahahha