100% agree. Road shoes/ pedals are a complete and utter faff. Walking in them is absolutely horrible. If You're doing anything other than racing you're probably going to want to get off your bike at some point to go to a cafe/ toilet/ lift your bike upstairs into your flat etc and road bike shoes are horrible for that.
You only need one pair of shoes. Get the best quality mtb shoes with a stiff carbon sole. You wont get hot spots. They are just as light. Two sides to clip in. Mtb cleats last way way way longer. Less plastic and waste. They are cheaper. You can walk anywhere without risking slipping over and injuring yourself like so often people do with road shoes. You don't loose any power. All you need today is a middle of the range road bike with a good bike fit, decent tires that are pumped up, and well serviced bike. And.... No body gets drop because they had mtb pedals of their bike isnt a 10 grand carbon aero bike.. You got dropped because you don't have the power.
@Brainjock Yes you are right, it is no so serious. I was just writing down facts. And fact is, road shoes are way lighter than MTB shoes and also the pedals. A lot of grams per Euro or Dollar. Keep cycling. Greetings from germany.
I’ve used mtb pedals on my road bikes for many years, thanks to the bike shop where I bought my first road bike. They recommended mtb pedals because it’s so much easier to walk in mtb shoes. I’ve never looked back.
I've got MTB and road bikes. I couldn't see the point in having two sets of shoes and cleats. SPD all the way and you can look like a normal shaved leg ape.
My journey started pretty similar: I bought a road bike with SPD and bought my first bike shoes. Fast forward few years and I added MTB bike to be able get off the pavement or follow kid on the trail. And I already have shoes for that ! Guess what, I just upgraded my road bike and someone tried convince me (and almost had) to get road pedals and shoes. I think I'm stick with SPD, perhaps get a better shoes for road only (still SPD comparable).
Because they're double-sided, you can have "combo" platform/MTB pedals, where one side is flat for a regular shoe and the other fits an MTB cleat. I'm really surprised this advantage wasn't mentioned as it's far more meaningful than the minute differences in clip-in time.
@@shannontrainer5857 The bike in my photo? It's a cyclocross actually. It's my Canadian winter road bike (for slush, snow, ice), moreso than for offroading. I have four bikes, though (MTB, Cross, Road, Aero Road). No gravel bike, but really I'm a road commuter more than anything else.
Absolutely this! I have mtb on one side and flat on the other, so I can ride my road bike to see friends in heeled boots or my summer sandals or even flip flops if I want to!
That's what I use on my road bike and it saved the day once when I drove an hour away to do a 42 mile ride and forgot my cycling shoes. Obviously wasn't as nice not clipped in, but it was a more casual ride anyway. And it was MUCH better than just getting back in the car and driving home disappointed. I also enjoy the ability to unclip one foot and pedal on the flat side in certain situations where I don't want to unclip at the last second.
I use road shoes with SPD cleats on XTR MTB pedals. Its even worse to walk with than regular road cleats but what they didn't talk much about is the lightness of the road shoes without all the damn rubber/plastic of MTB shoes. Clipping in can be horrible as well; with MTB shoes there's plastic/rubber around the cleat to help your shoe stay on the pedal if you miss the clip-in, but with a carbon bottom road shoe you slide right off. All in the name of lightness and stiffness.
Me too. I'm using mtb pedals because I'm started as xc rider. So now I've got same time atac pedals on my and wife's mtb and road bikes. I had a hope to see in this video efficiency comparison between mtb and road pedals before watching it.
Response to Dan's question - I'm MTB pedals on my road bike because I commute on it. The choice is entirely about ability to walk off the bike. Plus, on casual fridays I don't need to change into business shoes and I can wear my (Fizik) M6Bs all day.
Yeah, the walk-ability is definitely a key feature. You can run MTB pedals on your road bike but you can't run road pedals on your mountain bike. Personally think road pedals are more comfortable for putting on a ton of miles on pavement.
I'm with you guys. I like road pedals because really hard, prolonged efforts don't cause any foot pain/hot spots. But on my older bikes that I dont ride that way, SPD pedals and Giro Junction MTB shoes work great. I can walk all over the place and people think they're regular shoes. 👍
Love DZR H2O shoes for SPD pedals. Waterproof and look like leather converses. My work dress code is not so strict, so I am happy to wear them most of the time.
I use MTB pedals. I'm relatively new to cycling (just 2 years) so it was easier to learn. But, I"m sticking with it. They're easier to clip in, easier to walk in. I like having the ability to ride on both sides if need to. Plus, 250 grams more in weight is literally 0.5 pounds. That won't do a thing on my 30-45 mile rides. If it's that much of a difference, I should just lose a couple pounds.
The one thing I find attractive about MTB pedals is they seem to be far closer to a "universal compatibility", from my understanding. Whereas every freaking brand of road pedals makes it's own cleat shape. And often even within the same brand not all their road cleats will be compatible with all their road pedals. :\
I still use toe-clips and straps, and therefore any pair of shoes I happen to be wearing. The fact that they're loose enough to get out of easily means they're not as efficient as cleats, obviously, but - also obviously - they give me more connection to the bike than flats would. As my bike is a general-purpose workhorse, that still seems like the best option to me.
MTB, always!!! There is no power transfer difference if you use good shoes (even fizik guy said that on a gcn video already) and you are able to walk or securely stop on traffic on a wet day.
I can see if trying to save weight on race day when every gram counts going with the lighter option but, if commuting or training safety and durability count more, plus if you're training, you probably want to train with MORE weight so that riding with less weight in a race is that much better
I bought (on special offer) some MTB shoes with a rigid carbon sole but with flex in the toes, so still comfortable to walk/run in, but I don't get that hot spot from the MTB cleats.
With shoes at the upper end of the market the difference is quite literally a different bolt pattern and a couple pieces of plastic that weight 20 maybe 30 grams bonded to the sole and nothing more. Aero wise let's face it if that a major thing to you then you're going to be wearing overshoes/socks anyway so the tread pretty much hidden the axle and pedal will be causing far more drag. Then here comes the shimano apd520 / 540 throwing the whole situation into disarray with its lightweight aero and low price walkable spd design, possibly the most underrated pedal in the world.
I think the difference is due to the pedal itself not the shoe.... between my two setups (sworks shoe to 6800 pedals, and giro empire vr90 to xtr9000 pedals) only difference I can notice is there's vertical play (I can lift up on my pedals which make a click noise probably between cleat and pedal) which I can make happen on command but doesn't happen if I'm just pedalling normally.... I reckon this would be a measurable difference but possibly just a comfort/personal complaint, as well I find its easier to unclip from mtb pedals (I run my road pedals maxed due to being used to it from track and like being firmly in for sprints).... besides that as long as you have great quality shoes, 0 noticeable difference. if you have a expensive top shelf race bike tho where you're spending thousands for marginal gains, it'd be silly to use mtb shoes. Im gonna be racing crits on my cross bike this year and am for shits and giggles gonna try racing in my mtb shoes/pedals to see if it negatively affects my racing
RIGHT?? the first time l tried road shoes w/o cleats l fell on my ass like a new born calf on ice !! They did feel great in the fit dept but so did the MTB equivalent !! And you like me probably use your bike to go shopping too SOOO walking is a must .
I feel that unless you're racing, use SPDs. The inconvenience of the road cleats and pedals don't outweigh the benefits when you're out in the real world where you'll be stopping for various things, getting passed obstacles and just getting off the bike for that sweet viewing spot on your journey. However, if you're on a race course where you know all that matters is power - then road pedals is the obvious choice.
I've used road pedals only since I went clipless. If you dont clip in on that uphill red light and have to clear the intersection you can still use the pedal body to get going and then clip in across the intersection. they really arent that bad. As for walking Shimano cleats last way longer then look and do well off tarmac
yeah totally agree to this, currently using look pedal right now, was thinking about switching over to MTB pedal and shoes because of the comfy of walking and the durability of the cleat
I completely agree. With multiple bicycles (MTB, Road, Cross) and multiple shoes. SPDs was the way to go for me. Now I can use all my shoes on all my bicycles. For Road bicycles I'm running Shimano PD-A600. Single sided and pretty light as well as a larger "platform". Pretty much everything else I run Shimano XT either trail or race. With my carbon soles I don't seem to get hot spots (does it spread the load better?). Just like the original post I'm not racing so the minor differences aren't a "issue" for me either.
@@undentifiedkc do it. You will be way happier and safer. Unless you race you dont need one sided pedals. And you can still use road shoes. Only now you can clip in on either side.
I rode Look pedals in the late '80s and early '90s but, coming back to cycling now, I decided to try a pair of high-end Shimano MTB pedals and some hybrid shoes from Specialized. Still hard soles, but the cleats are recessed. They're so much better in every way. Clipping in, walking, and even riding is so much more comfortable.
I remember this same video from some time ago with Dan, and there was no brand partnership and it was a much more balanced insight into different pedals.
Bought my first bike in a while (45 years or so) so missed the entire clip-less revolution. Found MTB was much easier to learn than road pedals plus I like being able to walk around without worrying about the cleats. MTB pedals for me.
This was the first and best video that provided both a visual and verbal description of the difference between road and MTB cleats/shoes so that I could figure out that I purchased a used road bike with MTB cleats on it. Kudos and thanks!
I bought my first pair of clipless (spd) pedals a long time ago and had them on two separate road bikes. When I got my new bike, I tried the SPD-SL's and switched back in about three days. Simple reason, there's no "wrong side of the pedal" to clip into. That's worth an extra 100 grams of weight to me.
I've always worn MTB pedals on the road, even before I started riding MTB's. I choose them over road pedals because I needed to walk around campus and grocery stores in relative comfort. Much more comfortable too (imo).
I enjoy the flat-mtb combos on a Cx bike. Flats because I can just jump on and ride without pre-considering to wear cycling shoes, and mtb one-sided because they're the only option when wanting flats one-sided.
I walked past you when you were filming this, but like a silly fangirl, I was too shy to say hello! MTB for me...for those times when you have to push your bike up the second half of the Col Des Glieres : (
Paula, I live in Veyrier (Geneva), and the Col des Glières is the one big steep nearby climb I haven't done yet. I've climbed Salève (Coin-Croisette) countless times, Grand Colombier twice, but Glières just seems so intimidating!
usually I get and leave my left side clipped in, which is enough to pull away from an intersection, then once I'm up to speed, if the other didn't go in immediately that's when I try to get the second one in (unless there's a short distance between stop lights, in which case it's more annoying to clip it in... and of course, THAT'S when it goes in easily)
I ran MTB on both bikes for over 25 years. Switched to road pedals on my road bike two years ago to see if it would bring more stability (feet rock side to side) It did. I feel much more connected to the bike, and I reduced knee pain after switching to road pedals. I still prefer the overall riding experience of MTB pedals, but I can't deny the huge weight savings and knee comfort on those longer rides while using road pedals.
I appreciate your comment. I almost bought MTB pedals due to being about to walk on gravel but I have knee issues so I'm grateful to opt to a lightly option of road pedals.
You guys need to spend a bit more with your GMBN colleagues...Enduro is not endurance long rides (as you both alluded to), but rather more technical trail riding focusing on downhill speed. They need bigger pedals with more foot contact for control vs the normal SPD pedals used by marathon or XC riders because of their light weight.
This was hilarious, GCN unaware of the existence of the enduro MTB discipline. For the roadies: enduro races are short fast steep technical sections, which are timed, linked by non-timed uphill sections to get to the top of the next timed downhill section. Platform pedals help with control and absorbing impacts without bruising the bottom of your foot, and while the clipless part keeps your feet from bouncing off the pedals (and allows a bit more max power on steep uphills).
I fairness to GCN guys there is a lot of this mistake written on line. I know little about mountain biking but looked up enduro pedals because I commute on my road bike and use MTN pedals because of clipping in and out in traffic a lot. I looked at enduro ones because the website also said they were better over long distances. I think it was chain reaction cycles here in Canada. Should have just asked the local bike shop instead of going straight online I guess.
The platform clipless confuses me...I get it if you're using a soft shoe, but if you're using a carbon sole then the only benefit I gather is if you unclip and need to slap your foot back on the pedal but can't quite clip back in cause you're going through a real bumpy section or what ever.
@@HooxNZ enduro races, as has already been mentioned, are short, technically demanding downhill sections which are timed and then a longer, untimed, uphill transition to the start of the next stage. The biggest reason for the large platform is not comfort but control. The platform will usually have pins sticking up round the edges like a regular mountain bike flat pedal, designed specifically to provide extra grip with soft rubber soled shoes. All of this allows you to get down some pretty hairy stuff, even if you become unclipped and also makes it less likely you will accidentally unclip when bouncing through really rough stuff. Take a look at the Crankbrothers Mallet pedal to see what I mean.
It’s worth mentioning mtb cleats last wayyyyyy longer than plastic road cleats. Nobody ever got dropped in a road ride because they had mtb cleats and pedals.
Reminds me of my first ride with a group on a borrowed bike and tennis shoes. Some guy just got a $3k-5k Giant unobtanium (to me anyway) bike and I was on a borrowed flat bar Aluminum frame bike. He couldn't keep up. It's not the gear it's the rider...
@@danielmiller9419 my first experience with clipless was commuting on SPD-SL on my then 1986 Univega Nuovo Sport. It was annoying anytime if I had to make a stop on the way to or from work.
@RollinRat I guess if I had the money, (to afford buying road AND mtb clipless set ups)....and knew that if I was going for an uninterrupted ride on my road bike I'd use road clipless on said road bike and use mtb clipless on the rest of my bikes...
When I raced back in the 1980s it was all clips and straps. So when I converted to clipless it was with Sportives in mind, and the ability to walk around feed stops, clamber up to fountains, take a break from riding, etc. and not racing. So I went for SPD/MTBs with road uppers and concealed cleats, and have stuck to that. They work brilliantly and give all the benefits above, plus lose very little power unless you're counting the fractions. I can use all my shoes on all my bikes - road, MTB, spin, tandem, flat bed on the old steel frame, and any hire bikes. Unless you're racing |I cannot see too many disadvantages. What was it Shimano used to advertise? "Ride like the wind without walking like a duck!"
I just started on clipless at 44 years young. I went with the mtb spd clipless because I live in an overly hilly area and real pros would have a challenge on 20 miles of our hills. Anywho, I'm not a pro even close so I must walk sometimes. Can't do that in road shoes. Plus, wife and I pedal together and we like to sight see, so walking is often on our schedule. So mtb shoes for us.
It is a bit horses for courses. I have both, road for the road bike, MTB for the MTB... I've commuted in both too. Personally, I do prefer the road pedals for road riding as they have the bigger contact area. Also, keeping cleat covers in a jersey pocket will change your life. They let you walk almost normally with road pedals, and dramatically increase the life of them, as they you aren't wearing the cleats on the ground.
How do you benefit from the bigger contact area? I mean, I can feel the difference between the two, but I can't say one is "faster" than the other. Both my types fo shoes are stiff so I don't feel any flex in either. If the MTB pedals are less effective (due to smaller contact area?) they should be warmer than road pedals after a ride, right?
@@CARLOSALBERTOECHEVERRIMILLAN , I bought mine online (Wiggle or Chain Reaction cycles from memory). For Shimano road cleats, the part number is Shimano SM-SH45. If you do a Google search, you can likely find them (or a cheaper copy, which likely work almost as well).
@@Huttify , The bigger contact area means less of force on that area of your foot. As such, there's less of a 'hot spot' and accompanying discomfort on the ball of your foot. Don't get me wrong, it's not really night and day difference, and if I had to choose one, I'd go with MTB pedals, as they are more versatile, plenty of my mates ride MTB pedals on their road bikes. But, there is enough of a difference that, for me at least, they're worth it. Also, I must admit, I prefer the aesthetic of road pedals on my road bike ;)
@@CARLOSALBERTOECHEVERRIMILLAN Look Keo pedals come with cleats and cleat covers. Keo has a "walking cleat" now that has a softer compound on the fore and aft parts of the cleat.
I only discovered clipless pedals 2 years ago and had opted for SPD, because I always have to carry the bike out of the cellar, up the stairs and run through the garden before I can ride. In fact, I have never tumbled over with them, unfortunately there are just a few road bike shoes that are designed for this system. I just like the fact that you can still walk with the shoes.
I’ve got Speedplay pedals on my road bike and mountain bike pedals on my mountain bike. The Speedplay road pedal does have the advantage of being double sided unlike some road shoes but also helped me with knee problems caused by a more traditional road pedal. That said if I was commuting on the road I probably would switch to a MTB pedal just for ease of walking
It's all down to money. If you have a road bike and an MTB and you don't have money for both types of shoes and pedals, buy MTB ones. If you have one type, buy for the type you ride. If you commute, buy MTB pedals
Clifford depends on your need. Unless you’re a hard core roadie, (racing) or money is a factor, go with mountain type. Easier to maintain, the clips will wear, last longer and take more abuse. The newer shoes are more comfortable and made to walk in, unlike dedicated road gear, which is purely for riding. I use both, and find a have less foot fatigue on long rides, over 50 miles with road pedals. But commuting, day to day casual riding, go with mountain pedals.
I use Speedplay pedal/cleat system and absolutely love them! You can clip in on both sides and are in the clips 2-3sec without having to look down at the pedal.They are lightweight.
As a full time bike messenger the mavic crossride sl mtb pedals have been my choice for the last few years. The pedals are reliable in any weather and the cleats are very durable and are easier to walk/run in. I use the Giro Empire Vr90 mtb cycling shoes. I would recommend them to everyone that needs a cycling shoe to run stairs in.
*An entire category of MTB pedal was missed -- MTB pedals that use SPD cleats on one side and regular street shoes without cleats on the other.* My favorite is the Shimano *PD-A350.* They weigh 380 g and I use them on every one of my bikes -- including my road bikes. So does my family. I use Shimano *SM-SH56* multi-release cleats with them. The PD-A350 pedals are balanced so the cleat side naturally stays on top. But, when you need to ride your bike without cleats, you simply flip the pedal over and you have a nice large aluminium alloy bed for your street shoes. They are so versatile. They are great on my long training road routes as well as my longer endurance road routes. But they're ideal for commutes or trips to town when you don't want to carry cycling shoes. Regarding cycling shoes, it's important to remember that MTB pedals and cleats do not allow you to use real walking or running shoes on your bike. Why? Because a cycling shoe -- including an MTB one -- needs a stiff sole to distribute the pressure from the cleat evenly over the front of your foot. This stiff sole on MTB shoes, makes them too inflexible to comfortably walk or run any serious distance. That's why you won't see triathletes using a combo cycling/running shoe -- they use dedicated shoes for each event in the race.
Ive always used spd mountain bike pedals on my road bike. Just feel its more comfortable to walk in them and they do get the job done as good as any clip on pedals.
I have used the MTB ones for ages because it makes easy on triathlon transition..... just the running/walking bit gets you in front of a fair group of people.
MTB all the way. I used to have road specific shoes/pedals on my road bike, but I had MTB spds on 2 of my other bikes. When my road shoes got worn out, I decided to make the switch for commonality. I have some nice XT pedals and some super stiff XC racing shoes. I don't feel any power transfer penalty with such a stiff soled shoe, and they are just so much more practical for everyday use. I haven't changed a cleat in 2+ years.
Yep, I've just made a similar decision coming from the other side. Have got 4 bikes with MTB setup and 3 different pairs of shoes. Just bought my first Summer Road Bike and looked at getting road pedals/shoes, but decided to stick to MTB so I have all my shoe options available on all bikes. For a start it means no extra spend on the new bike, and then down the line I'm thinking I might get the lightweight single sided A600 SPD touring pedals for the new bike and a really light minimalist pair of carbon soled MTB shoes to serve as my 'summer road' pair - the type I'd be scared to destroy offroad but which would still give me a recessed cleat and cross-compatibility across the bikes. If I ever get strong or fit enough for power transfer to matter then maybe I'll revisit, but by that point I expect I'd want to buy more pairs of shoes anyway. Only other time I envy road shoes is when using toe covers - they're a bit floppy on my MTB shoes and I expect would work much better over an external road cleat.
PeatCowman Once your XT pedals wear down, get X-Pedo titanium. For 100 euros, they save you more than 150 grams and will also never rust. Furthermore, the external bearings allow you to service them at home, further saving you money.
PeatCowman You’re welcome mate! You truly don’t have to spend $500 to get an ultralight pedal these days! Check them out on R2 bike, they do great deals. Best of all, X-Pedo still use the Shimano SPD system, so your mates can still ride your bike, and you won’t need new shoes or anything.
Guys enduro isn’t to ride long distances it is to ride a trail where only the down hill parts are timed and the bigger pedals aren’t for comfort they give you more stability on the downhill.
I'm worse than Matt when clipping in 😂🤣 So, MTB for me... Just make sure after your winter commutes you clean/grease the cleat & pedal, or it will start rusting almost immediately.
I use MTB pedals. When I go oot for a ride I don't want to break speed records. I often stop to take a picture, maybe even walk some meters, have a coffee or an ice cream. And I often don't start and/or end my rides at home, but travel to the starting point by train and/or return home by train. So it's much easier to get on a train or into a cafe wearing MTB shoes. And as my pedals are combi pedals with only one side to click in I can even use my bike to quickly ride to the bakery or to office in normal shoes.
Bought new bike with MTB pedal and MTB clipless (previously flat pedals), first time using clipless. Took me 15 minutes to learn, so far so good. Love it.
I have both, a road bike and a MTB, with the road bike acquired about 1.5 years ago, so I started road cycling on mtb pedals... nothing wrong with that. As I leant more, I upgraded the road bike (got a much lighter one) and also moved onto road pedals because of weight savings and to match my superlight shoes, which I think it's the sensible thing to do. However, I miss having mtb's when clipping at traffic lights (having impatient drivers behind me). So if you commute or have to walk, I'll recommend mtb pedals for almost instant clip-in. I now have look pedals: Keo-easy (super-cheap and light).
Unless weight is of ultimate importance or you race the extra weight is negligible. And you can still use road shoes with mtb pedals if weight is important.
I was in my first cycling event ever and I really appreciated guys who managed to change their road shoes for trainers at the ending ceremony. Everybody else looked like women on their firsts' high heel walk
Thanks for highlighting the differences. I have severe arthritis and some missing bone in one ankle; the recessed SPD system allows me to walk almost normally on my bad ankle providing the ground has no cross slope so it is mountain bike for me on my road bike or any bike.
Guys guys guys, enduro refers to a mtb discipline in which timing is only collected on selected downhills; think of it as a series of downhill races for which you have limited preparation time. The pedal reflects the usage, a more substantial cage facilitates easier riding in the event that you need to unclip at speed or when cornering. A standard mtb pedal is designed for technically mellower riding, think XC, with less emphasis on unclipped comfort and more on weight and efficiency. Enduro = fast changes in altitude, XC = fast changes in latitude.
The GCN crew has way too much fun in their work. Keep up the great efforts. I use Crank Brothers Egg Beaters. Besides having four point entry, they are much easier in my ankles which takes stress off of my knees. I have them on both my road bike and gravel bike.
Coming back from MTB to road I sticked to MTB pedals. Then I changed to road pedals and strokes felt more powerful! Even carbon soles on both shoes feel different. Conclution: MTB for MTB/Cross (hardcore gravel), road for road!
Unless your racing professionally the road cleats have way to many drawback I love cycling but I also like cafe stop sightseeing and and the odd stretchy here and there mtb clips are way easier for me I’m not doing the Tour de France the difference between a mtb clip vs road cleats are probably no bigger then 105 vs durace sure there some slight difference in overall performance in the long run but difference is small and really only applicable to professional rider in a competitive race the downside of road cleats just doesn’t outweigh its small advantage for your average road tour and club rider.
As I was just getting into road biking, a friend who had been doing it for 15 years introduced me to SPD pedals and for all the reasons you explained, made perfect sence, so that's what I bought for my road bike, my new project flat bar, 1 by carbon road bike that I have just finished and will buy for my vintage Bianchi with modern groupset and wheels that I have just started working on. Incidentally, I use flat pedals on my mountain bike 😂
I use m520 mtb pedals on my road bike, mainly 'cos I like to be able to walk with my bike shoes on! I also sometimes clip pd22 plastic jobbies into them on one side, for when I'm wearing trainers. Pretty flexible set-up I think, and good value too.
Depends on distance. My road bike shoes 1/3 the weight of my MTB shoes, cleats included. I am not going to ride 50+km at speed on road with the additional MTB rotating mass.
If you have additional rotating mass you can ride better with inertia. And remember, on a 8% climb, 1kg more = 1,2% faster you can read that on books about cycling. So it's not significant. Just 1min faster on a 1h30 climb
Liked this video. Wife was not able to transition to road bike cleats - too difficult. Thanks to this video I will suggest to her using MTB cleats instead. Cheers!
The problem with SPD pedals and pedalling efficiency is you'll need expensive carbon-soled shoes. So instead, I went for SPD-SL pedals...with expensive carbon-soled shoes.
That is why I have two pairs of SPD shoes. A non-so-expensive for daily-use shoes and a pair of carbon-soled shoes. I only use my carbon-soled shoes for big rides and events such as Gran Fondo
Hah, this video's done naught but remind me of being a kid....so cheers Look and GCN for that! Tell you what though, i feel a lot more comfortable/confident sprinting in road cleats than mtb. maybe i just need mtb pedals with a stronger spring or something but i like how secure my foot is with road cleats. As for power transfer and hotspots, i think that's far more to do with the design and material of the sole and fit...
Currently recovering from the classic “SPD-SL” crash. A small child bumped my back wheel. I got flipped over. If I was on flats, I could have put my foot on the ground. If I was on MTB there is a chance I could have yanked it out. But I wasn’t quick to snap out and took the hit on my hip and tore a bunch of muscles. I watched this video because I’m trying to decide what pedal system to use in the future. Honestly considering flats but would like a solid cleatless road shoe.
Finding your channel has been a blessing, because of this video I went with Mountain Bike Pedals with a dual platform. For those days, I just want to ride my bike without the shoes! This specifically! SHIMANO PD-M324 SPD Dual Platform Pedal
mountain pedals and mountain shoes, every time. Double sided cleats are just that much easier to clip into, and walking in mtb shoes is possible... There's very little weight penalty for mtb, but the practicality is much better with mtb. Oh, and speedplay… Frogs are, by far, the best pedal ever made...
I agree completely, but rather sad to see that Speedplay no longer sell the Frog pedal, managed to stock up on cleats and a new pair of oldcstock for a bike i was re-commissioning this last week.
@@bikebudha01 Not sure brought last of mine 3 years ago then was returning a bike to service and wanted to add frogs and found many shops showing out of stock. Then on Speed Play site they are saying www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.frog
I have Felt cyclocross and BMC roadbike. Normally I use Felt for winter with SPD pedals and BMC for summer and virtual with SPD-SL pedals. In summer time I traditionally participate Lake Puula race in Finland which is 100 km tarmac and 33 km gravel. For this I change SPD-SL pedals to Felt to change bikes fast in race.
I wear Mountain bike pedals on my road bike . I once had trouble on a traffic light to get my Road bike pedals connected. I crashed in the driver ahead of me . I made the decision to go for mountain bike pedals, never looked back . I love them
@@ThisGuyRides I used flat pedals for a long time and only recently switch to clipless. I find clipless pedals actually keep my legs in the correct position, minimize injuries/pain. Having flat on the flip side is just a brilliant option, esp. when I'm in an unfamiliar terrain that I'm not sure if I'm able to unclip on time 😅 or that I can just hop on for an errand ride
It's good to see them being honest enough to admit there is little if any benefit to the road cleats/pedals. I enjoy the simplicity of using the same cleats & shoes for all my bikes, MTB and road.
I rode mountain/ and hybrids for the last 8 years. I recently bought a road bike, and purchased mtb peddles for it. I was able to continue to use my shoes, and my comfort level with the equipment is there. I’m considering purchasing road shoes next summer, but I may still buy a pair that can take both cleat styles.
I have four bikes. Two road and two flat-bar commuters. I run Look Keo Blades on the road bikes and MTB pedals on the commuters, which also have two-sided pedals so I can ride without any clips if I want. I also replace the Keo pedals with MTB pedals in the winter as I ride year round.
But isn't it crucial, that everybody in the coffee shop can hear your road bike cleats as you walk in? How could they tell you're a real pro without that? :D
I use flat old timey pedals with toeclips. I can ride in any numbe off different style shoes that cost much less than cleated shoes, and I don't sound like a Clydesdale. walking into a store. I rode with clipless pedals and cleated shoes for several days and hated them.
@@merlars I use Speedplay X2 on the road but the Frogs don't clear mud as well as crank brothers so, after using Frogs for some cross races I moved to eggbeaters.
Roadie here. I love my Speedplays. I switched to them a few months after trying Look. Solved the crashing at lights issue. I wouldn't ride anything else. But they are terrible for muddy terrain.
which shoes do you use? I've tried a bunch, and none of them would I consider safe on a tile floor nor comfortable to walking for further than a few hundred feet... certainly not a full workday on concrete floor, except these 45Nrth Wolfgar boots, which I think I can even climb a metal ladder safely in.
@@better.better I think they are called SPD. (I'd drag them out but they're put away for the winter, and I'm writing this while I have my dinner). The soles bend and the cleats are recessed so that they don't touch the ground on a clean flat surface. I wouldn't want to walk all day in them, but i walk from where I park my bike to the office, which is about 500m with no trouble.
I use MTB pedals on both my commuter/MTB and on my roadie. Mainly because I can't justify shelling out the money for 2 sets of shoes and pedals since I'm never going pro. Good video!
You guys are approaching cat videos in entertainment value! In my experience, the bottom of my foot just above the pedal point went numb after years of riding on mountain bike pedals and when I switched to road pedals the normal feeling returned. I'll ride Mntbike pedals occasionally now, but they're not my go to pedal and shoes anymore.
I use MTB Pedals but for sure road shoes are way more easy on the feet on long rides. I do like MTB pedals with a larger surface though. Seems to even out the disadvantage.
Thanks for the tips. I got my first cleats and pedals. Went for the Mountain bike type and it's been really easy to get used to. Fallen 3 times already, so I hope I am finally done with the break-in falls 😅
I've a single bike (Vitus Zenium disc) with mountain bike cleats. I ride it to/from work (25min one way, 600m walk from the gate) 3-4/5 days and try to go for a 80-160km of a weekend I loved having Speedplays on my previous Cervelo S1 but (and the same reason for Look style cleats) the off bike ease of MTB cleats is a hands down winner for me. Clipping in is basically the same time/effort, still able to rip the bottom to up cycle of the pedal stroke, and debris issue... well, isn't. What I do miss is the float of the Speedplays, especially during Winter and copping knocks playing hockey over the weekends. Not as limber as I once was. :D I don't race. I'm not getting any KOMs. I can lose 20kgs so weight weenie-ing is pretty pointless. If I had the room for a second bike, purely for road, I would go another set of Speedplays
I bought my first road bike today and I opted for mountain bike pedals. Firstly because they're easier to click into and out of whilst I get used to them, furthermore the shoes work for other uses too and it's just personal preference
After a few years of struggling with trying to clip in with Look Keo pedals and their “one chance or no chance” clip in under pressure scenarios (e.g. from standing starts at traffic light junctions), I learnt many years ago to put two-sided MTB pedals on my road bikes. Plus the fact that road bike shoes tend to have very shiny, low friction soles that offer you bugger all chance of spinning the pedal if you don’t manage to clip in first time round (the cause of many of my early traffic junction starts resulting in my unsafe and embarrassing drop sideways into the road).
XC shoes tend to have a similar smooth sole to a road shoe. but that gets ride of the biggest advantage of mtb shoes for me, being able to walk around and not look (as) dumb.
I use road cleats during training sessions and MTB cleats (on road bike) for rides up to 100 miles and so far the experience has been great. No problems with 'hotfoot'
There is a handy grippy cleat cover you can buy for walking around on road shoes. It negates the issues of slipping on the Cafe floor and wearing them out when walking. The lightness of shoe, cleats and pedals for road appeals more than the heavier mtb version. Thats said I'm willing to give it a try someday.
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as a bike shop employee, I recomend MTB clips for most of my road bike-buying customers. Road specific are for racers imho.
I agree. Mtb shoes are made to actually walk also. :) and secondly. Look casual
100% agree. Road shoes/ pedals are a complete and utter faff. Walking in them is absolutely horrible. If You're doing anything other than racing you're probably going to want to get off your bike at some point to go to a cafe/ toilet/ lift your bike upstairs into your flat etc and road bike shoes are horrible for that.
@@Mark-Helmy and you walk like a kid who just got out the tub who's trying not to slip
Well you're a shoop employee not a cyclists.
@@Mark-Helmy yeah, but you don't get to complete the look of your best Lance Armstrong or Froome impersonation in MTB/SPDs.
You only need one pair of shoes. Get the best quality mtb shoes with a stiff carbon sole. You wont get hot spots. They are just as light. Two sides to clip in. Mtb cleats last way way way longer. Less plastic and waste. They are cheaper. You can walk anywhere without risking slipping over and injuring yourself like so often people do with road shoes. You don't loose any power. All you need today is a middle of the range road bike with a good bike fit, decent tires that are pumped up, and well serviced bike. And.... No body gets drop because they had mtb pedals of their bike isnt a 10 grand carbon aero bike.. You got dropped because you don't have the power.
Good attitude :)
preach it
You forgot power meter. Otherwise spot on.
They are not as light. Giro Road Shoes are 150 gram each. Show me an MTB shoe like these...
@Brainjock Yes you are right, it is no so serious.
I was just writing down facts. And fact is, road shoes are way lighter than MTB shoes and also the pedals.
A lot of grams per Euro or Dollar.
Keep cycling. Greetings from germany.
I’ve used mtb pedals on my road bikes for many years, thanks to the bike shop where I bought my first road bike. They recommended mtb pedals because it’s so much easier to walk in mtb shoes. I’ve never looked back.
They’re less intimidating as well because you can clip in on either side of the pedal. I’ll always use them.
I've got MTB and road bikes. I couldn't see the point in having two sets of shoes and cleats. SPD all the way and you can look like a normal shaved leg ape.
My journey started pretty similar: I bought a road bike with SPD and bought my first bike shoes. Fast forward few years and I added MTB bike to be able get off the pavement or follow kid on the trail. And I already have shoes for that ! Guess what, I just upgraded my road bike and someone tried convince me (and almost had) to get road pedals and shoes. I think I'm stick with SPD, perhaps get a better shoes for road only (still SPD comparable).
Because they're double-sided, you can have "combo" platform/MTB pedals, where one side is flat for a regular shoe and the other fits an MTB cleat. I'm really surprised this advantage wasn't mentioned as it's far more meaningful than the minute differences in clip-in time.
Trade in your road bike for gravel grinder instead
@@shannontrainer5857 The bike in my photo? It's a cyclocross actually. It's my Canadian winter road bike (for slush, snow, ice), moreso than for offroading.
I have four bikes, though (MTB, Cross, Road, Aero Road). No gravel bike, but really I'm a road commuter more than anything else.
Absolutely this! I have mtb on one side and flat on the other, so I can ride my road bike to see friends in heeled boots or my summer sandals or even flip flops if I want to!
That's what I use on my road bike and it saved the day once when I drove an hour away to do a 42 mile ride and forgot my cycling shoes. Obviously wasn't as nice not clipped in, but it was a more casual ride anyway. And it was MUCH better than just getting back in the car and driving home disappointed. I also enjoy the ability to unclip one foot and pedal on the flat side in certain situations where I don't want to unclip at the last second.
Good point, my touring bike has combination Mountain bike (SPD)/platform pedals.
I use MTB pedals because I'm fat and slow and I often have to walk up hills, also makes the cake stop easier :-)
me too and i love cake also
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Felt that 😂 I prefer mtb pedals cuz they r double sided too
MTB cleats are more compatible with aerobellies
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I use MTB pedals because it allows me to ride the same shoes with my MTB and road bikes. pretty convenient.
You could use road pedals on your MTB bike with the same effect....but wait that's a terrible idea :D ;)
I learned my lesson when I took my road shoes accidently to a mtb ride. All my shoes and bikes are now spd😂
Same here mtb pedal all the way
I use road shoes with SPD cleats on XTR MTB pedals. Its even worse to walk with than regular road cleats but what they didn't talk much about is the lightness of the road shoes without all the damn rubber/plastic of MTB shoes. Clipping in can be horrible as well; with MTB shoes there's plastic/rubber around the cleat to help your shoe stay on the pedal if you miss the clip-in, but with a carbon bottom road shoe you slide right off. All in the name of lightness and stiffness.
Me too. I'm using mtb pedals because I'm started as xc rider. So now I've got same time atac pedals on my and wife's mtb and road bikes. I had a hope to see in this video efficiency comparison between mtb and road pedals before watching it.
Response to Dan's question - I'm MTB pedals on my road bike because I commute on it. The choice is entirely about ability to walk off the bike. Plus, on casual fridays I don't need to change into business shoes and I can wear my (Fizik) M6Bs all day.
I do the same.
Yeah, the walk-ability is definitely a key feature. You can run MTB pedals on your road bike but you can't run road pedals on your mountain bike. Personally think road pedals are more comfortable for putting on a ton of miles on pavement.
I'm with you guys. I like road pedals because really hard, prolonged efforts don't cause any foot pain/hot spots. But on my older bikes that I dont ride that way, SPD pedals and Giro Junction MTB shoes work great. I can walk all over the place and people think they're regular shoes. 👍
Love DZR H2O shoes for SPD pedals. Waterproof and look like leather converses. My work dress code is not so strict, so I am happy to wear them most of the time.
I do the same
You're all fools, I ride with one MTB pedal and one Road pedal, it's the best of both worlds.
Very nice indeed. I'll tell to my frends.
😆 Yesss! Then just use the MTB foot to get around on foot *hop *hop *hop
Hmm - with that slight variance in power delivery I think you may end up going in circles. Then again maybe this is the best setup for a track bike?
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I use MTB pedals. I'm relatively new to cycling (just 2 years) so it was easier to learn. But, I"m sticking with it. They're easier to clip in, easier to walk in. I like having the ability to ride on both sides if need to. Plus, 250 grams more in weight is literally 0.5 pounds. That won't do a thing on my 30-45 mile rides. If it's that much of a difference, I should just lose a couple pounds.
The one thing I find attractive about MTB pedals is they seem to be far closer to a "universal compatibility", from my understanding. Whereas every freaking brand of road pedals makes it's own cleat shape. And often even within the same brand not all their road cleats will be compatible with all their road pedals. :\
I still use toe-clips and straps, and therefore any pair of shoes I happen to be wearing. The fact that they're loose enough to get out of easily means they're not as efficient as cleats, obviously, but - also obviously - they give me more connection to the bike than flats would. As my bike is a general-purpose workhorse, that still seems like the best option to me.
MTB, always!!! There is no power transfer difference if you use good shoes (even fizik guy said that on a gcn video already) and you are able to walk or securely stop on traffic on a wet day.
do u remember which video?
I can see if trying to save weight on race day when every gram counts going with the lighter option but, if commuting or training safety and durability count more, plus if you're training, you probably want to train with MORE weight so that riding with less weight in a race is that much better
I bought (on special offer) some MTB shoes with a rigid carbon sole but with flex in the toes, so still comfortable to walk/run in, but I don't get that hot spot from the MTB cleats.
With shoes at the upper end of the market the difference is quite literally a different bolt pattern and a couple pieces of plastic that weight 20 maybe 30 grams bonded to the sole and nothing more. Aero wise let's face it if that a major thing to you then you're going to be wearing overshoes/socks anyway so the tread pretty much hidden the axle and pedal will be causing far more drag. Then here comes the shimano apd520 / 540 throwing the whole situation into disarray with its lightweight aero and low price walkable spd design, possibly the most underrated pedal in the world.
I think the difference is due to the pedal itself not the shoe.... between my two setups (sworks shoe to 6800 pedals, and giro empire vr90 to xtr9000 pedals) only difference I can notice is there's vertical play (I can lift up on my pedals which make a click noise probably between cleat and pedal) which I can make happen on command but doesn't happen if I'm just pedalling normally.... I reckon this would be a measurable difference but possibly just a comfort/personal complaint, as well I find its easier to unclip from mtb pedals (I run my road pedals maxed due to being used to it from track and like being firmly in for sprints).... besides that as long as you have great quality shoes, 0 noticeable difference. if you have a expensive top shelf race bike tho where you're spending thousands for marginal gains, it'd be silly to use mtb shoes. Im gonna be racing crits on my cross bike this year and am for shits and giggles gonna try racing in my mtb shoes/pedals to see if it negatively affects my racing
You needed to do the freshly mopped marble floor test walking test.
Wet tiled floor. Toilets in a tea stop. Lethal
The comedy bambi on ice walk. A walk even John Cleese would be proud of.
people would die
RIGHT?? the first time l tried road shoes w/o cleats l fell on my ass like a new born calf on ice !! They did feel great in the fit dept but so did the MTB equivalent !! And you like me probably use your bike to go shopping too SOOO walking is a must .
richard carr rubber cleat covers a must 😬🚴🏼
I feel that unless you're racing, use SPDs.
The inconvenience of the road cleats and pedals don't outweigh the benefits when you're out in the real world where you'll be stopping for various things, getting passed obstacles and just getting off the bike for that sweet viewing spot on your journey.
However, if you're on a race course where you know all that matters is power - then road pedals is the obvious choice.
I've used road pedals only since I went clipless. If you dont clip in on that uphill red light and have to clear the intersection you can still use the pedal body to get going and then clip in across the intersection. they really arent that bad. As for walking Shimano cleats last way longer then look and do well off tarmac
yeah totally agree to this, currently using look pedal right now, was thinking about switching over to MTB pedal and shoes because of the comfy of walking and the durability of the cleat
I completely agree. With multiple bicycles (MTB, Road, Cross) and multiple shoes. SPDs was the way to go for me. Now I can use all my shoes on all my bicycles. For Road bicycles I'm running Shimano PD-A600. Single sided and pretty light as well as a larger "platform". Pretty much everything else I run Shimano XT either trail or race. With my carbon soles I don't seem to get hot spots (does it spread the load better?). Just like the original post I'm not racing so the minor differences aren't a "issue" for me either.
Couldnt agree more
@@undentifiedkc do it. You will be way happier and safer. Unless you race you dont need one sided pedals. And you can still use road shoes. Only now you can clip in on either side.
Double sided SPD’s for me so I have less chance of dying when trying to cross at junctions.
Good point; for my next set of pedals I'll go double sided SPD; you are saving lives here :)
Which double-sided models are good?
@@ryand141 SHIMANO PD-EH500
@@interloperblues also cleats Exhustar-CO3F
You could also look into Crankbrothers pedals for a 4x clip in chance! I like them very much.
I rode Look pedals in the late '80s and early '90s but, coming back to cycling now, I decided to try a pair of high-end Shimano MTB pedals and some hybrid shoes from Specialized. Still hard soles, but the cleats are recessed. They're so much better in every way. Clipping in, walking, and even riding is so much more comfortable.
I remember this same video from some time ago with Dan, and there was no brand partnership and it was a much more balanced insight into different pedals.
Bought my first bike in a while (45 years or so) so missed the entire clip-less revolution. Found MTB was much easier to learn than road pedals plus I like being able to walk around without worrying about the cleats. MTB pedals for me.
This was the first and best video that provided both a visual and verbal description of the difference between road and MTB cleats/shoes so that I could figure out that I purchased a used road bike with MTB cleats on it. Kudos and thanks!
I bought my first pair of clipless (spd) pedals a long time ago and had them on two separate road bikes. When I got my new bike, I tried the SPD-SL's and switched back in about three days. Simple reason, there's no "wrong side of the pedal" to clip into. That's worth an extra 100 grams of weight to me.
I've always worn MTB pedals on the road, even before I started riding MTB's. I choose them over road pedals because I needed to walk around campus and grocery stores in relative comfort. Much more comfortable too (imo).
yeah i believing you i love mtb shoes we are an user not a racer
It's for this reason that I use Crank Brothers Egg Beaters
I enjoy the flat-mtb combos on a Cx bike. Flats because I can just jump on and ride without pre-considering to wear cycling shoes, and mtb one-sided because they're the only option when wanting flats one-sided.
I walked past you when you were filming this, but like a silly fangirl, I was too shy to say hello! MTB for me...for those times when you have to push your bike up the second half of the Col Des Glieres : (
Paula, I live in Veyrier (Geneva), and the Col des Glières is the one big steep nearby climb I haven't done yet. I've climbed Salève (Coin-Croisette) countless times, Grand Colombier twice, but Glières just seems so intimidating!
Ollie channeling Matt there! I’m massive roadie but admittedly, I’m as bad as Matt at clipping in. Great show GCN!
usually I get and leave my left side clipped in, which is enough to pull away from an intersection, then once I'm up to speed, if the other didn't go in immediately that's when I try to get the second one in (unless there's a short distance between stop lights, in which case it's more annoying to clip it in... and of course, THAT'S when it goes in easily)
Try Speedplay. In first go 95+% of the time without looking.
I ran MTB on both bikes for over 25 years. Switched to road pedals on my road bike two years ago to see if it would bring more stability (feet rock side to side) It did. I feel much more connected to the bike, and I reduced knee pain after switching to road pedals. I still prefer the overall riding experience of MTB pedals, but I can't deny the huge weight savings and knee comfort on those longer rides while using road pedals.
I appreciate your comment. I almost bought MTB pedals due to being about to walk on gravel but I have knee issues so I'm grateful to opt to a lightly option of road pedals.
I've always used MTB pedals on my road bike, more comfortable and being able to walk normal when off the bike
You guys need to spend a bit more with your GMBN colleagues...Enduro is not endurance long rides (as you both alluded to), but rather more technical trail riding focusing on downhill speed. They need bigger pedals with more foot contact for control vs the normal SPD pedals used by marathon or XC riders because of their light weight.
This was hilarious, GCN unaware of the existence of the enduro MTB discipline.
For the roadies: enduro races are short fast steep technical sections, which are timed, linked by non-timed uphill sections to get to the top of the next timed downhill section. Platform pedals help with control and absorbing impacts without bruising the bottom of your foot, and while the clipless part keeps your feet from bouncing off the pedals (and allows a bit more max power on steep uphills).
I laughed so hard when they said that. Also it should be mentioned the multi-time champion of the Enduro World Series uses flat pedals and not clips.
I fairness to GCN guys there is a lot of this mistake written on line. I know little about mountain biking but looked up enduro pedals because I commute on my road bike and use MTN pedals because of clipping in and out in traffic a lot. I looked at enduro ones because the website also said they were better over long distances. I think it was chain reaction cycles here in Canada. Should have just asked the local bike shop instead of going straight online I guess.
The platform clipless confuses me...I get it if you're using a soft shoe, but if you're using a carbon sole then the only benefit I gather is if you unclip and need to slap your foot back on the pedal but can't quite clip back in cause you're going through a real bumpy section or what ever.
@@HooxNZ enduro races, as has already been mentioned, are short, technically demanding downhill sections which are timed and then a longer, untimed, uphill transition to the start of the next stage. The biggest reason for the large platform is not comfort but control. The platform will usually have pins sticking up round the edges like a regular mountain bike flat pedal, designed specifically to provide extra grip with soft rubber soled shoes. All of this allows you to get down some pretty hairy stuff, even if you become unclipped and also makes it less likely you will accidentally unclip when bouncing through really rough stuff. Take a look at the Crankbrothers Mallet pedal to see what I mean.
It’s worth mentioning mtb cleats last wayyyyyy longer than plastic road cleats. Nobody ever got dropped in a road ride because they had mtb cleats and pedals.
Reminds me of my first ride with a group on a borrowed bike and tennis shoes. Some guy just got a $3k-5k Giant unobtanium (to me anyway) bike and I was on a borrowed flat bar Aluminum frame bike.
He couldn't keep up.
It's not the gear it's the rider...
Yeah I got through 3x SPD-SL cleats in one year. SPD has probably saved me 20x cleats by now
@adrian b look up cleats more then as there are spd and road cleats together so can maybe use metal cleat on road
@@danielmiller9419 my first experience with clipless was commuting on SPD-SL on my then 1986 Univega Nuovo Sport. It was annoying anytime if I had to make a stop on the way to or from work.
@RollinRat I guess if I had the money, (to afford buying road AND mtb clipless set ups)....and knew that if I was going for an uninterrupted ride on my road bike I'd use road clipless on said road bike and use mtb clipless on the rest of my bikes...
When I raced back in the 1980s it was all clips and straps. So when I converted to clipless it was with Sportives in mind, and the ability to walk around feed stops, clamber up to fountains, take a break from riding, etc. and not racing. So I went for SPD/MTBs with road uppers and concealed cleats, and have stuck to that. They work brilliantly and give all the benefits above, plus lose very little power unless you're counting the fractions. I can use all my shoes on all my bikes - road, MTB, spin, tandem, flat bed on the old steel frame, and any hire bikes. Unless you're racing |I cannot see too many disadvantages. What was it Shimano used to advertise? "Ride like the wind without walking like a duck!"
I just started on clipless at 44 years young. I went with the mtb spd clipless because I live in an overly hilly area and real pros would have a challenge on 20 miles of our hills. Anywho, I'm not a pro even close so I must walk sometimes. Can't do that in road shoes. Plus, wife and I pedal together and we like to sight see, so walking is often on our schedule. So mtb shoes for us.
Seriously, if your having a crappy day, spend a few moments watching these guys. They will make you laugh, and you may even learn a thing or two.
your crappy days must be weak.. for me only strong whisky will do.
It is a bit horses for courses. I have both, road for the road bike, MTB for the MTB... I've commuted in both too. Personally, I do prefer the road pedals for road riding as they have the bigger contact area. Also, keeping cleat covers in a jersey pocket will change your life. They let you walk almost normally with road pedals, and dramatically increase the life of them, as they you aren't wearing the cleats on the ground.
How do you benefit from the bigger contact area? I mean, I can feel the difference between the two, but I can't say one is "faster" than the other. Both my types fo shoes are stiff so I don't feel any flex in either. If the MTB pedals are less effective (due to smaller contact area?) they should be warmer than road pedals after a ride, right?
where did you find the cleats covers? I have never heard of it. thanks for the tip.
@@CARLOSALBERTOECHEVERRIMILLAN , I bought mine online (Wiggle or Chain Reaction cycles from memory). For Shimano road cleats, the part number is Shimano SM-SH45. If you do a Google search, you can likely find them (or a cheaper copy, which likely work almost as well).
@@Huttify , The bigger contact area means less of force on that area of your foot. As such, there's less of a 'hot spot' and accompanying discomfort on the ball of your foot. Don't get me wrong, it's not really night and day difference, and if I had to choose one, I'd go with MTB pedals, as they are more versatile, plenty of my mates ride MTB pedals on their road bikes. But, there is enough of a difference that, for me at least, they're worth it. Also, I must admit, I prefer the aesthetic of road pedals on my road bike ;)
@@CARLOSALBERTOECHEVERRIMILLAN Look Keo pedals come with cleats and cleat covers. Keo has a "walking cleat" now that has a softer compound on the fore and aft parts of the cleat.
Ollie + Dan ... Great combination of presenters for content like this!
I use mountain bike pedals on my winter/gravel bike. They are easier to clip in and more durable
I only discovered clipless pedals 2 years ago and had opted for SPD, because I always have to carry the bike out of the cellar, up the stairs and run through the garden before I can ride. In fact, I have never tumbled over with them, unfortunately there are just a few road bike shoes that are designed for this system.
I just like the fact that you can still walk with the shoes.
I’ve got Speedplay pedals on my road bike and mountain bike pedals on my mountain bike. The Speedplay road pedal does have the advantage of being double sided unlike some road shoes but also helped me with knee problems caused by a more traditional road pedal. That said if I was commuting on the road I probably would switch to a MTB pedal just for ease of walking
Perfect reason why I use MTB on the road. Get tired of flipping the pedal around. I knew I wasn't crazy.
Is gcn spying on me? How did they know that I'm having trouble deciding between road and mtb pedals?
Anyway, good job! 👍
It's all down to money. If you have a road bike and an MTB and you don't have money for both types of shoes and pedals, buy MTB ones. If you have one type, buy for the type you ride. If you commute, buy MTB pedals
I was used to road pedals and switched to mtb due to my gravel bike which I use as a roadbike too and never looked back. mtb pedals all the way
@@TheSinadin generally you don't want to use road pedals unless you want to go for max power.
@@martinicc67 nice tip there. Thanks..
Clifford depends on your need. Unless you’re a hard core roadie, (racing) or money is a factor, go with mountain type. Easier to maintain, the clips will wear, last longer and take more abuse. The newer shoes are more comfortable and made to walk in, unlike dedicated road gear, which is purely for riding. I use both, and find a have less foot fatigue on long rides, over 50 miles with road pedals. But commuting, day to day casual riding, go with mountain pedals.
I started using mountain bike pedals on my road bike when I turn 70, wish I had done it before.
I've only known SPDs, and they are brilliant. Extremely durable, easy to clip into/out of and comfortable.
I use Speedplay pedal/cleat system and absolutely love them! You can clip in on both sides and are in the clips 2-3sec without having to look down at the pedal.They are lightweight.
I think Speedplay by Wahoo often as built-in power meters, and they are by far the most expensive pedal system I've known.
As a full time bike messenger the mavic crossride sl mtb pedals have been my choice for the last few years. The pedals are reliable in any weather and the cleats are very durable and are easier to walk/run in. I use the Giro Empire Vr90 mtb cycling shoes. I would recommend them to everyone that needs a cycling shoe to run stairs in.
My favorite shoe.
I use cable ties and get the mrs to cut them off when i get home, mind you she popped out for 3 hours the last time i got home.
*An entire category of MTB pedal was missed -- MTB pedals that use SPD cleats on one side and regular street shoes without cleats on the other.* My favorite is the Shimano *PD-A350.* They weigh 380 g and I use them on every one of my bikes -- including my road bikes. So does my family. I use Shimano *SM-SH56* multi-release cleats with them. The PD-A350 pedals are balanced so the cleat side naturally stays on top. But, when you need to ride your bike without cleats, you simply flip the pedal over and you have a nice large aluminium alloy bed for your street shoes. They are so versatile. They are great on my long training road routes as well as my longer endurance road routes. But they're ideal for commutes or trips to town when you don't want to carry cycling shoes.
Regarding cycling shoes, it's important to remember that MTB pedals and cleats do not allow you to use real walking or running shoes on your bike. Why? Because a cycling shoe -- including an MTB one -- needs a stiff sole to distribute the pressure from the cleat evenly over the front of your foot. This stiff sole on MTB shoes, makes them too inflexible to comfortably walk or run any serious distance. That's why you won't see triathletes using a combo cycling/running shoe -- they use dedicated shoes for each event in the race.
My buddy rides traditional pedals with just those small half toe clips that are strapless. Works fine and he can wear whatever shoe he wants.
Ive always used spd mountain bike pedals on my road bike. Just feel its more comfortable to walk in them and they do get the job done as good as any clip on pedals.
I have used the MTB ones for ages because it makes easy on triathlon transition..... just the running/walking bit gets you in front of a fair group of people.
Solid idea to be fair
MTB all the way.
I used to have road specific shoes/pedals on my road bike, but I had MTB spds on 2 of my other bikes. When my road shoes got worn out, I decided to make the switch for commonality. I have some nice XT pedals and some super stiff XC racing shoes.
I don't feel any power transfer penalty with such a stiff soled shoe, and they are just so much more practical for everyday use. I haven't changed a cleat in 2+ years.
Yep, I've just made a similar decision coming from the other side. Have got 4 bikes with MTB setup and 3 different pairs of shoes. Just bought my first Summer Road Bike and looked at getting road pedals/shoes, but decided to stick to MTB so I have all my shoe options available on all bikes. For a start it means no extra spend on the new bike, and then down the line I'm thinking I might get the lightweight single sided A600 SPD touring pedals for the new bike and a really light minimalist pair of carbon soled MTB shoes to serve as my 'summer road' pair - the type I'd be scared to destroy offroad but which would still give me a recessed cleat and cross-compatibility across the bikes.
If I ever get strong or fit enough for power transfer to matter then maybe I'll revisit, but by that point I expect I'd want to buy more pairs of shoes anyway. Only other time I envy road shoes is when using toe covers - they're a bit floppy on my MTB shoes and I expect would work much better over an external road cleat.
PeatCowman
Once your XT pedals wear down, get X-Pedo titanium. For 100 euros, they save you more than 150 grams and will also never rust. Furthermore, the external bearings allow you to service them at home, further saving you money.
@@dannybeeh6332 thanks, will check them out
PeatCowman
You’re welcome mate! You truly don’t have to spend $500 to get an ultralight pedal these days!
Check them out on R2 bike, they do great deals.
Best of all, X-Pedo still use the Shimano SPD system, so your mates can still ride your bike, and you won’t need new shoes or anything.
Guys enduro isn’t to ride long distances it is to ride a trail where only the down hill parts are timed and the bigger pedals aren’t for comfort they give you more stability on the downhill.
I'm worse than Matt when clipping in 😂🤣 So, MTB for me... Just make sure after your winter commutes you clean/grease the cleat & pedal, or it will start rusting almost immediately.
I use MTB pedals.
When I go oot for a ride I don't want to break speed records. I often stop to take a picture, maybe even walk some meters, have a coffee or an ice cream. And I often don't start and/or end my rides at home, but travel to the starting point by train and/or return home by train. So it's much easier to get on a train or into a cafe wearing MTB shoes.
And as my pedals are combi pedals with only one side to click in I can even use my bike to quickly ride to the bakery or to office in normal shoes.
Bought new bike with MTB pedal and MTB clipless (previously flat pedals), first time using clipless. Took me 15 minutes to learn, so far so good. Love it.
I have both, a road bike and a MTB, with the road bike acquired about 1.5 years ago, so I started road cycling on mtb pedals... nothing wrong with that. As I leant more, I upgraded the road bike (got a much lighter one) and also moved onto road pedals because of weight savings and to match my superlight shoes, which I think it's the sensible thing to do. However, I miss having mtb's when clipping at traffic lights (having impatient drivers behind me). So if you commute or have to walk, I'll recommend mtb pedals for almost instant clip-in. I now have look pedals: Keo-easy (super-cheap and light).
Unless weight is of ultimate importance or you race the extra weight is negligible. And you can still use road shoes with mtb pedals if weight is important.
I ride Mt. pedals on my road bike so I don't look like a tool when I walk into the cafe!
I was in my first cycling event ever and I really appreciated guys who managed to change their road shoes for trainers at the ending ceremony. Everybody else looked like women on their firsts' high heel walk
@@BogotaEnglish triathletes are always wearing trainers by the podium. Gotta appreciate them!
To be fair...if you're in full skin tight cycling gear when you walk into a cafe you will look like a tool regardless of your shoes.
@@Quicksilver_Cookie Good point!
@@Quicksilver_Cookie but you are doing sport and you should not give a f about what people are thinking bout you
Thanks for highlighting the differences.
I have severe arthritis and some missing bone in one ankle; the recessed SPD system allows me to walk almost normally on my bad ankle providing the ground has no cross slope so it is mountain bike for me on my road bike or any bike.
The sound of clipping in and out is just so satisfying
Guys guys guys, enduro refers to a mtb discipline in which timing is only collected on selected downhills; think of it as a series of downhill races for which you have limited preparation time. The pedal reflects the usage, a more substantial cage facilitates easier riding in the event that you need to unclip at speed or when cornering. A standard mtb pedal is designed for technically mellower riding, think XC, with less emphasis on unclipped comfort and more on weight and efficiency. Enduro = fast changes in altitude, XC = fast changes in latitude.
Good point. As someone who has toured a few thousand km on mtb pedals, in my experience other parts of your body start hurting before your feet do.
0:33. Bugger I thought Matt has returned
#metoo 🤣... We miss Matt that much!
probably against his contract to do guest videos 😕
plus that laugh at 0:25
I thought so, too!
He hasn't clipped in yet to return.
No such luck!
The GCN crew has way too much fun in their work. Keep up the great efforts.
I use Crank Brothers Egg Beaters. Besides having four point entry, they are much easier in my ankles which takes stress off of my knees. I have them on both my road bike and gravel bike.
Michael J Brennan any major differences from 1s to 2s and 3s etc.
I started on the Egg Beaters and moved over to the Candy for a bit more support on longer rides.
@@the_hwyman I also use candy's on my road (tt) and my gravel bike.
Coming back from MTB to road I sticked to MTB pedals. Then I changed to road pedals and strokes felt more powerful! Even carbon soles on both shoes feel different. Conclution: MTB for MTB/Cross (hardcore gravel), road for road!
Unless your racing professionally the road cleats have way to many drawback I love cycling but I also like cafe stop sightseeing and and the odd stretchy here and there mtb clips are way easier for me I’m not doing the Tour de France the difference between a mtb clip vs road cleats are probably no bigger then 105 vs durace sure there some slight difference in overall performance in the long run but difference is small and really only applicable to professional rider in a competitive race the downside of road cleats just doesn’t outweigh its small advantage for your average road tour and club rider.
As I was just getting into road biking, a friend who had been doing it for 15 years introduced me to SPD pedals and for all the reasons you explained, made perfect sence, so that's what I bought for my road bike, my new project flat bar, 1 by carbon road bike that I have just finished and will buy for my vintage Bianchi with modern groupset and wheels that I have just started working on. Incidentally, I use flat pedals on my mountain bike 😂
Bike commuting in L.A. with so many stoplights, the ability to clip in fast actually sounds really beneficial! Thanks for enlightening me to this. 😁
I commute on my race bike also, usually I can clip in as quickly as it takes to put my foot on the pedal
Best thing about this video was seeing Dan on the slide!! 😂😂
Nice to see men been boys. I personally use MTB pedals for all my bikes.
I use m520 mtb pedals on my road bike, mainly 'cos I like to be able to walk with my bike shoes on! I also sometimes clip pd22 plastic jobbies into them on one side, for when I'm wearing trainers. Pretty flexible set-up I think, and good value too.
Depends on distance.
My road bike shoes 1/3 the weight of my MTB shoes, cleats included.
I am not going to ride 50+km at speed on road with the additional MTB rotating mass.
If you have additional rotating mass you can ride better with inertia. And remember, on a 8% climb, 1kg more = 1,2% faster you can read that on books about cycling. So it's not significant. Just 1min faster on a 1h30 climb
Liked this video. Wife was not able to transition to road bike cleats - too difficult. Thanks to this video I will suggest to her using MTB cleats instead. Cheers!
The problem with SPD pedals and pedalling efficiency is you'll need expensive carbon-soled shoes. So instead, I went for SPD-SL pedals...with expensive carbon-soled shoes.
Pppppeeerrrfffeeect! Hahaha
Haha 😄
That is why I have two pairs of SPD shoes. A non-so-expensive for daily-use shoes and a pair of carbon-soled shoes. I only use my carbon-soled shoes for big rides and events such as Gran Fondo
Hah, this video's done naught but remind me of being a kid....so cheers Look and GCN for that! Tell you what though, i feel a lot more comfortable/confident sprinting in road cleats than mtb. maybe i just need mtb pedals with a stronger spring or something but i like how secure my foot is with road cleats. As for power transfer and hotspots, i think that's far more to do with the design and material of the sole and fit...
Crankbros Eggbeater 11's with stiff carbon soled shoes. How about a vid exploring which road shoes can take mtb cleats.
I use Eggbeaters with mountain bike shoes (Sidi's), I think this is the best of both worlds, multi-sided, easy to get into, walkable shoes.
here in canada the 11's are 450$... why use them over the 3 or 2's ? are the material better?
North Gen yeah, I don’t get the 11s I’m currently running the 2s on my road bike, and double shot 2s on my commuter
Are the 1s good enough for casual riding or should I invest in 2s or 3s. Basically better materials? Is that the difference?
179 gr.
Currently recovering from the classic “SPD-SL” crash. A small child bumped my back wheel. I got flipped over. If I was on flats, I could have put my foot on the ground. If I was on MTB there is a chance I could have yanked it out. But I wasn’t quick to snap out and took the hit on my hip and tore a bunch of muscles. I watched this video because I’m trying to decide what pedal system to use in the future. Honestly considering flats but would like a solid cleatless road shoe.
Finding your channel has been a blessing, because of this video I went with Mountain Bike Pedals with a dual platform. For those days, I just want to ride my bike without the shoes! This specifically! SHIMANO PD-M324 SPD Dual Platform Pedal
6:50 I've seen this place before. Must be GCN/GMBN's local playground..
It's just outside their headquarters
Bath
mountain pedals and mountain shoes, every time. Double sided cleats are just that much easier to clip into, and walking in mtb shoes is possible... There's very little weight penalty for mtb, but the practicality is much better with mtb. Oh, and speedplay… Frogs are, by far, the best pedal ever made...
I agree completely, but rather sad to see that Speedplay no longer sell the Frog pedal, managed to stock up on cleats and a new pair of oldcstock for a bike i was re-commissioning this last week.
@@grahamariss2111 when did they stop selling the frog?
@@bikebudha01 Not sure brought last of mine 3 years ago then was returning a bike to service and wanted to add frogs and found many shops showing out of stock. Then on Speed Play site they are saying www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.frog
MTB Petals seems the best option to commuting, if you have to un cleat a lot
@@JayB-lz6yd Excuse my French ;)
I have Felt cyclocross and BMC roadbike. Normally I use Felt for winter with SPD pedals and BMC for summer and virtual with SPD-SL pedals. In summer time I traditionally participate Lake Puula race in Finland which is 100 km tarmac and 33 km gravel. For this I change SPD-SL pedals to Felt to change bikes fast in race.
I wear Mountain bike pedals on my road bike . I once had trouble on a traffic light to get my Road bike pedals connected. I crashed in the driver ahead of me . I made the decision to go for mountain bike pedals, never looked back . I love them
MTB on my mountain and road bike.
I have a wide foot and found more MTB compatible shoes that suit my foot size/shape.
Your comment is the most useful since I have wide feet. Narrow shoes, typically made by Italian manufacturers don't fit me.
How about those MTB pedals with one flat side? I love those!
Azy Alysa I use these pedals (Wellgo R120B) for my road bike and MTB too.
Me too, Ive got the Shimano version, they work a treat @@sckschan
Even better are pedals with flats on both sides.
@@sckschan Nice! I'll check those out too. I'm using Shimano PD-A530 :)
@@ThisGuyRides I used flat pedals for a long time and only recently switch to clipless. I find clipless pedals actually keep my legs in the correct position, minimize injuries/pain. Having flat on the flip side is just a brilliant option, esp. when I'm in an unfamiliar terrain that I'm not sure if I'm able to unclip on time 😅 or that I can just hop on for an errand ride
Where is that playground at? Chernobyl?
And who is Luca?
Apparently the kids abandoned it?
Even worse. England in the Autumn.
Fukushima?!
I think they're in Bath.
It's good to see them being honest enough to admit there is little if any benefit to the road cleats/pedals. I enjoy the simplicity of using the same cleats & shoes for all my bikes, MTB and road.
I rode mountain/ and hybrids for the last 8 years. I recently bought a road bike, and purchased mtb peddles for it. I was able to continue to use my shoes, and my comfort level with the equipment is there. I’m considering purchasing road shoes next summer, but I may still buy a pair that can take both cleat styles.
Now try platform pedals with sharp pins.
I think we need an Ollie does cyclo-cross video next year based on that park test run 😁
I use mountain bike pedals for I can walk to and from my house , into cafes and more. I love them.
Me too, same reasons ^^
I have four bikes. Two road and two flat-bar commuters. I run Look Keo Blades on the road bikes and MTB pedals on the commuters, which also have two-sided pedals so I can ride without any clips if I want. I also replace the Keo pedals with MTB pedals in the winter as I ride year round.
I already got the road ones for my first clipless but still watching this for info :))))
Normal cyclists want to walk into a café for coffee and a cake,without walking like a twat on ice.
MTB shoes all the way ... even for roadies
I agree for 99% of people SPD click system is better and the 1% race or pro people use an entirely different system anyways.
But isn't it crucial, that everybody in the coffee shop can hear your road bike cleats as you walk in? How could they tell you're a real pro without that? :D
MTB pedals on the road bike :)
Many coffee riders love walking in road shoes, hence most are just posing twats.
I use flat old timey pedals with toeclips. I can ride in any numbe off different style shoes that cost much less than cleated shoes, and I don't sound like a Clydesdale. walking into a store. I rode with clipless pedals and cleated shoes for several days and hated them.
Speedplay with walkable cleats, double sided, walkable without sliding all over the place and adjustability is excellent. However clear price!!!!!!!!
I agree. I like Speedplay Frogs.
Agree as well. I switched from Time to Speedplay 14 years ago and love them. They have the best qualities of road and mtb pointed out in this video.
They're very prone to clogging up in muddy conditions
@@merlars I use Speedplay X2 on the road but the Frogs don't clear mud as well as crank brothers so, after using Frogs for some cross races I moved to eggbeaters.
Roadie here. I love my Speedplays. I switched to them a few months after trying Look. Solved the crashing at lights issue. I wouldn't ride anything else. But they are terrible for muddy terrain.
I use mountain bike pedals on my road bike, because I like to be able to walk in my bike shoes,
which shoes do you use? I've tried a bunch, and none of them would I consider safe on a tile floor nor comfortable to walking for further than a few hundred feet... certainly not a full workday on concrete floor, except these 45Nrth Wolfgar boots, which I think I can even climb a metal ladder safely in.
@@better.better check Northwave shoes
@@better.better I think they are called SPD. (I'd drag them out but they're put away for the winter, and I'm writing this while I have my dinner). The soles bend and the cleats are recessed so that they don't touch the ground on a clean flat surface. I wouldn't want to walk all day in them, but i walk from where I park my bike to the office, which is about 500m with no trouble.
I'm currently on SPD and was planning to switch to SPD-SL. I changed my mind because of this video thank you very much.
I use MTB pedals on both my commuter/MTB and on my roadie. Mainly because I can't justify shelling out the money for 2 sets of shoes and pedals since I'm never going pro. Good video!
You guys are approaching cat videos in entertainment value! In my experience, the bottom of my foot just above the pedal point went numb after years of riding on mountain bike pedals and when I switched to road pedals the normal feeling returned. I'll ride Mntbike pedals occasionally now, but they're not my go to pedal and shoes anymore.
I use MTB Pedals but for sure road shoes are way more easy on the feet on long rides. I do like MTB pedals with a larger surface though. Seems to even out the disadvantage.
Thanks for the tips. I got my first cleats and pedals. Went for the Mountain bike type and it's been really easy to get used to. Fallen 3 times already, so I hope I am finally done with the break-in falls 😅
I've a single bike (Vitus Zenium disc) with mountain bike cleats.
I ride it to/from work (25min one way, 600m walk from the gate) 3-4/5 days and try to go for a 80-160km of a weekend
I loved having Speedplays on my previous Cervelo S1 but (and the same reason for Look style cleats) the off bike ease of MTB cleats is a hands down winner for me.
Clipping in is basically the same time/effort, still able to rip the bottom to up cycle of the pedal stroke, and debris issue... well, isn't.
What I do miss is the float of the Speedplays, especially during Winter and copping knocks playing hockey over the weekends. Not as limber as I once was. :D
I don't race. I'm not getting any KOMs. I can lose 20kgs so weight weenie-ing is pretty pointless.
If I had the room for a second bike, purely for road, I would go another set of Speedplays
I bought my first road bike today and I opted for mountain bike pedals. Firstly because they're easier to click into and out of whilst I get used to them, furthermore the shoes work for other uses too and it's just personal preference
You should have gotten a Specialized Stumpjumper or Santa Cruz Bronson instead.
After a few years of struggling with trying to clip in with Look Keo pedals and their “one chance or no chance” clip in under pressure scenarios (e.g. from standing starts at traffic light junctions), I learnt many years ago to put two-sided MTB pedals on my road bikes. Plus the fact that road bike shoes tend to have very shiny, low friction soles that offer you bugger all chance of spinning the pedal if you don’t manage to clip in first time round (the cause of many of my early traffic junction starts resulting in my unsafe and embarrassing drop sideways into the road).
0:25 Oliver's laugh is staring to sound like Matt's
Klyde Jimeno 7:50 too
Surprised you didn't mention the difference in releases.
Next level, road shoes for mtb racing for the weight savings. Just don’t get off to hike your bike.
unless you use the Crankbrothers Eggbeaters. They weight only 179g per pair in their top spec or 290g in their entry level model.
@@wilianamaral very true! I was talking about weight savings in the shoes not the pedals. Road shoes are usually 100g to 200g lighter.
XC shoes tend to have a similar smooth sole to a road shoe. but that gets ride of the biggest advantage of mtb shoes for me, being able to walk around and not look (as) dumb.
I use road cleats during training sessions and MTB cleats (on road bike) for rides up to 100 miles and so far the experience has been great. No problems with 'hotfoot'
There is a handy grippy cleat cover you can buy for walking around on road shoes. It negates the issues of slipping on the Cafe floor and wearing them out when walking. The lightness of shoe, cleats and pedals for road appeals more than the heavier mtb version. Thats said I'm willing to give it a try someday.