According to Japanese table tennis magazine, Wang Ligin said that "I couldn't play well because I just blanked out when I received his service. I didn't have no clue about waldner"s service."
@@Bork0rWang Liqin had notoriously bad return of serve.Especially reverse pendullum serves to his forehand.He certainly benefited from the new rules cause his game was too simplistic for the 38mm era.Liu Guozheng was considered the bigger talent by Chinese coaches.
@@samba2782 WTTC is the tournament that determines the best player every 2 years. WTTC is where all the good players will participate and the hardest TT tournament to succeed.
You can see Wang is a little awe struck by Waldner and how much respect he has particually on his serve. Would of been a awesome match to see both in there prime. But Waldner was punching well above his weight after his prime for so long..that what made him so great. Waldner is pure magician.
These games were played after Waldner won second times World Championship in 1997. It was also his second peak in his sport career. At that stage, Wang LQ had no capability to beat Waldner in terms of skills and mentality.
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@@radjedi2010 back in 1997 players were allowed to hide the contact of their serve using their other hand, which is something Wang and waldner were using. By the 1997 top players were taking advantage of it and as a result many points were lost directly from the serve. Bigger ball has also helped to increase length of rallies however it's not as big of a change as the service rule.
I wondered how they allowed a white t shirt to Waldner (the greatest player ever in table tennis) but soon realized in a closer view that its an orange ball
This sport has changed so much since then. Waldner by far the best player of his era and Ma Long the best player of his era imo. So many fantastic players between including Ma Lin, Wang Hao and this player Wang Liqin and the europeans Timo Boll and Vladimir Samsonov.
@@NoSpeechForTheDumb I don't agree. The game now is way more atletic....its fast...bh banana, bh chopblocks, fh chopblock even more coming.. reverse pendulum/ hookservices.....Truls, Felix, Fan, Calderano are spectacular to watch and a lot of exciting games with tension to the very end...EK Sweden, Olympic games, Master Stuttgart and in China lots of spectators too.
@@klaasparlevliet2952 no athleticism of the world and no weird technique can compensate for the loss of spin by speed glue ban and the big plastic balls. That's why you have so many "interesting" long rallies today: Everything is simple now.
@@NoSpeechForTheDumb 70 to 75 percentage of points is in first 4 strokes...10 to 15 percentage stroke 5 and 6...so there are not many long rally's in general and if there are they are most of the time very word watching. If you look at tabletennis from 30/40 years ago its a lot of unforced errors and misreading serves ( because of rules) Quality of the game now is much higher; plastic balls or not...some people have a certain need to romantisice earlier times.....
Waldner is the GOAT in service skills. I wonder if Waldner's service skills changed the game from 21 points/5 service opportunities to 11 points/2 service opportunities?
from what they say during the match i understand he is the former coach of the swedish national team his name is mentioned at the beginning of the third set. I am not 100% sure but it sounds like Sandstrom
Fortunately for us because the journalist knows almost nothing. I also remember how in the 90' table tennis could be often seen on tv like in France for some events live on the second main channel or on Eurosport. Today it's hard to find even an article in the press.
man the game has changed a lot. we only play first to 11, and the matches are even longer now. the rallies in general are much longer than they use to be.
tteverywhere97 Not sure where you get that number from. I dont know the average number of shot per rally but 3-4 are the number of shots in among the shortest rallies. Most of rallies last 5-7 strokes. And just count the number of long rally with more than 10 strokes in a match nowadays you can see how long it is.
tteverywhere 97 Well, that doesnt sound convincing to me. But regardless, this match on this video has 7 rallies with 10 strokes or more though out the whole match and 115 rallies were played. While with the 11 scoreline, most of matches nowadays last for less than 100 rallies unless they played 7 sets. And Ive seen many matches with more than 15 of 10 strokes rallies and even matches with more than one 20 strokes rallies. Based on the time it takes for one match to finish, it still show that nowadays rallies are longer in general.
In principal, the idea of calming down the service is good. The problem I have with the rules at hand is that they are too difficult to judge, and rules that can't be judged are useless at best.
@@zagrebnesh1875 Everyone knows Waldner was better than Wang...no contest..Wang is amazing obviously, but in their primes Waldner would win 60-70% of the time at least..
There is a huge problem with the creator of this video at the very end of it! Why? Mr Jan Waldner is Swedish NOT any American!!! It was the world final match of Japanese Open. Isn't it? Why the flag of Sweden is not appearing at the end of Video Mr TT Master???!!!!
How could you think wang would ever have a chance against waldner? He literally missed 20 serves over 3 games. Waldner looked so bored he was only playing on his own serve
Wang Liquin had notoriously crappy return of serve.There's a match in 1999 against Kreanga and once Kreanga starts serving backhand serves to Wang's forehand he totally collapsed. As you may know it's pretty much impossible to hide the backhand serve.His short game was simply crap for the 38mm ball. He almost lost to an Australian at the 2008 Olympics because he couldn't read his tomahawk serve. Waldner wasn't even the worst match up serving wise for him 'cause he was particularly vulnerable to guys who liked to 3rd ball attack with their backhand like Wang Hao and Schlager.
@@maxk880 unfair? No it’s called a SKILL. Table tennis with a smaller ball, hidden serves required 10x more skill to play. It’s not unfair and people were actually good or bad at it. It was dumbed down to extend point length and rallies in the hopes it would bring mass appeal, which it still has not. Beyond that waldners real strength was in his point construction and strategy and variation in what he could do. The serves were just another strong point
Michaut Xavier he made debut on swedish open at age 17 in 1995. he was noticed for beating Jean-Philipe Gatien, then 1 of the best players in the world in the first round before losing to Erik Lindh in the third.
@@TH-cam_Globetrotter not according to himself,he was in better shape in 92,( he said in hes book,"i was in the shape of my life and i took at least 10 kilos in benchpress" ) waldner loved joling about the myth that he didnt train.and in thoose years he won exactly wich match he wanted.maybe you can call it second prime then,if anyone can have that its waldner 😀
My Op: not only different style of play but different rules and equipment. Would FZD be there - I believe would loose to Waldner because of this, be Waldner here - FZD would beat him.
I felt very sorry for liqin in 2004 olympics when he was forced to throw he match against wang hao because the chinese thought hao had better chance against waldner,though waldner didnt reach final and everything it became a throwback on the chinese with ruy min winning and then also liqin beat waldner for bronse.
Haha, I like how they bad mouth the Chinese player, you don't do that anymore. Ha ha today when a European player loses, you credit them by saying …"they're good, they play hard, yes they have a good back hand..."
+Jonathan Landeros No. No one evolved the game as Waldner did. 3 generations of Chinese players hunted down. At least. Given the same age, Wang could win a few matches initially, then Waldner would find the ways to beat him, evolve the game, and never lose again.
Jonathan Landeros Yes me and most of the table tennis world,Lao Wa. Compare the game when he was in the quarter final in SOC in 81, age 15 with how it was in 2004/5. Including a ball change from 38 to 40 mm. Mozart of table tennis was not my saying. World top ten for 20 years. The Chinese newer bothered to try to read him because they knew they could not. 13 years older still he could beat Wang. Given the opportunity of the same age and no bad back, no question.
While Waldner could beat Wang Liqin while both in their primes it would be tough still and maybe only a 50/50. Waldner was great but he definitely wasn't invincible even back then. People like Liu Guoliang gave him a lot of trouble and Jan was even feared by him and his serves during his time, he even stated this himself. Ma Lin was also way ahead of him in terms of skill and ability. But who knows for sure...
groudon4616 Well, Waldner in his prime was the 1989-1992 Waldner that won a WTTC, got a silver medal in the WTTC and won the Olympics easily. If Ma Lin was way ahead of him in skill, then why did Waldner beat him 4-1 in 2004?
According to Japanese table tennis magazine, Wang Ligin said that "I couldn't play well because I just blanked out when I received his service. I didn't have no clue about waldner"s service."
To be fair, hidden serves are difficult to receive in the first place. And then imagine hidden serves by one of the best servers out there. Yikes
Very difficult to read hidden service..
@@Bork0rWang Liqin had notoriously bad return of serve.Especially reverse pendullum serves to his forehand.He certainly benefited from the new rules cause his game was too simplistic for the 38mm era.Liu Guozheng was considered the bigger talent by Chinese coaches.
@@dickn.ormous1064 I didn't know. Interesting.
Respect to these greats, FIVE world championships between these two guys.
Doesnt JO have 6 himself?
@@samba2782 Sorry if I was not precise, I meant World Championships, not junior, not world cup, not other events.
@@samba2782
WTTC is the tournament that determines the best player every 2 years. WTTC is where all the good players will participate and the hardest TT tournament to succeed.
@@samba2782 no mate, waldner 2 singles 1989 and 1997 and Wang 3 titles
Waldner does have 2 WTTC in singles and 4 in teams.
You can see Wang is a little awe struck by Waldner and how much respect he has particually on his serve. Would of been a awesome match to see both in there prime. But Waldner was punching well above his weight after his prime for so long..that what made him so great. Waldner is pure magician.
These games were played after Waldner won second times World Championship in 1997. It was also his second peak in his sport career. At that stage, Wang LQ had no capability to beat Waldner in terms of skills and mentality.
waldner it's not just about fabulous technique & it all looks so smooth. the man is always supercomposed. deadly combination.
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Amazing how different the game is nowadays.
@@radjedi2010 back in 1997 players were allowed to hide the contact of their serve using their other hand, which is something Wang and waldner were using. By the 1997 top players were taking advantage of it and as a result many points were lost directly from the serve.
Bigger ball has also helped to increase length of rallies however it's not as big of a change as the service rule.
I wondered how they allowed a white t shirt to Waldner (the greatest player ever in table tennis) but soon realized in a closer view that its an orange ball
If Waldner played in todays era he would get defeated 11-0 as the game is so fast n compact now. He would have no chance.
5:55 wait what, a backhand serve by Waldner?
The Legend.
Still growing tree!
This sport has changed so much since then. Waldner by far the best player of his era and Ma Long the best player of his era imo. So many fantastic players between including Ma Lin, Wang Hao and this player Wang Liqin and the europeans Timo Boll and Vladimir Samsonov.
Ma long is boring compared to waldner... A lot..
@@Bxrzoiin general the game became boring after they removed the spin in order to accommodate silly audiences.
@@NoSpeechForTheDumb
I don't agree. The game now is way more atletic....its fast...bh banana, bh chopblocks, fh chopblock even more coming.. reverse pendulum/ hookservices.....Truls, Felix, Fan, Calderano are spectacular to watch and a lot of exciting games with tension to the very end...EK Sweden, Olympic games, Master Stuttgart and in China lots of spectators too.
@@klaasparlevliet2952 no athleticism of the world and no weird technique can compensate for the loss of spin by speed glue ban and the big plastic balls. That's why you have so many "interesting" long rallies today: Everything is simple now.
@@NoSpeechForTheDumb
70 to 75 percentage of points is in first 4 strokes...10 to 15 percentage stroke 5 and 6...so there are not many long rally's in general and if there are they are most of the time very word watching.
If you look at tabletennis from 30/40 years ago its a lot of unforced errors and misreading serves ( because of rules)
Quality of the game now is much higher; plastic balls or not...some people have a certain need to romantisice earlier times.....
Waldner is the GOAT in service skills. I wonder if Waldner's service skills changed the game from 21 points/5 service opportunities to 11 points/2 service opportunities?
Waldner standing on higher ground on its finest level.....Wang little bit intimidated.
Waldner, so good.
the shot that owned a decade
Excellent co-commentator!
from what they say during the match i understand he is the former coach of the swedish national team his name is mentioned at the beginning of the third set. I am not 100% sure but it sounds like Sandstrom
Appelgren.
Mikael Appelgren.
@@ttlegends3104 Anders Sanstrom, I believe.
Fortunately for us because the journalist knows almost nothing. I also remember how in the 90' table tennis could be often seen on tv like in France for some events live on the second main channel or on Eurosport. Today it's hard to find even an article in the press.
man the game has changed a lot. we only play first to 11, and the matches are even longer now. the rallies in general are much longer than they use to be.
millionairejh I disagree. The average number of shots a rally is 3-4.
tteverywhere97 Not sure where you get that number from. I dont know the average number of shot per rally but 3-4 are the number of shots in among the shortest rallies. Most of rallies last 5-7 strokes. And just count the number of long rally with more than 10 strokes in a match nowadays you can see how long it is.
Q Pham
That's everybody on the internet says, anyway. And what some guys that claim they went through many games in the WTTC said.
tteverywhere 97 Well, that doesnt sound convincing to me. But regardless, this match on this video has 7 rallies with 10 strokes or more though out the whole match and 115 rallies were played. While with the 11 scoreline, most of matches nowadays last for less than 100 rallies unless they played 7 sets. And Ive seen many matches with more than 15 of 10 strokes rallies and even matches with more than one 20 strokes rallies. Based on the time it takes for one match to finish, it still show that nowadays rallies are longer in general.
waldner has inspired me to reach higher grounds
have u started mountaineering because of him?
OMG, the mispronunciation of Wang Liqin's name. Goodness gracious.
they mispronounced Waldner's name too. these announcers are pretty terrible
Vang Lee king 😂
Waldner fantastic semplicity shot
Waldner is a genius
Where is that famous WL straight arm loop? Must have not been fully developed yet.
This video would've been much more enjoyable if the announcers didn't talk as much (especially during points)
0:00 Wang Liqin just so handsome
6:46
the hidden services actually makes the games more attractive to watch. And also the 38mm ball. Sadly few people understand this.
the new rules destroyed table tennis for me i loved the 21 rules and 38mm ball.
In principal, the idea of calming down the service is good. The problem I have with the rules at hand is that they are too difficult to judge, and rules that can't be judged are useless at best.
Time flies, 22 yrs ago.
both these men have been in wold champion single final FOUR times! both have THREE finals in a row!
Galimah Waldner 87', 89' and 91' (97 last time) and Wang Liqin once in 01' and then 05', 07' and 09'. Just to complete ;)
+TTCyger Wang Liqin was runner-up for the 09' wttc. The champion was Wang Hao.
the difference is liqin had 3 wins, jan 2
@@zagrebnesh1875 Everyone knows Waldner was better than Wang...no contest..Wang is amazing obviously, but in their primes Waldner would win 60-70% of the time at least..
Всё таки Валднер самый великий теннисист в мире. Он фактически уровнял подачу и приём. Сделал приём активным. Чем сейчас пользуються все теннисисты.
Table Tennis rules of this era was better I cant stand the new era rules and regulation and changes.
王励勤がまだ若くて細い
この後あんなにムキムキになるかと思うと、物凄い練習をしたんだろう
When was Waldner's peak?`He still plays really well here, but when did he play his best?
Around the 1992 Olympics.He was clinical in 1997 but past his peak.
1989-1992.
Probably here in 1997. He was ranked number one and won the World Championship without losing a single set in the Tournament.
23:54
Wang Li KING superb
Service had big advantage back then with hidden rules
wang liqin looks like a Korean, face and hairstyle
wang li qin 19 tahun lalu
Maby swedens best atletic of all Times...
Wow! Waldner really beat that Wang!
very good video!!! Do you have 1997 Qatar Table Tennis Open Videos?
this is all I have
There is a huge problem with the creator of this video at the very end of it! Why? Mr Jan Waldner is Swedish NOT any American!!! It was the world final match of Japanese Open. Isn't it? Why the flag of Sweden is not appearing at the end of Video Mr TT Master???!!!!
The cat is playing with the mouse. At that time Waldner was way better than Liqin.
Wang prime I think would beat Waldner Prime. However, it's still very hard to compare since the rules and the game has changed so much.
Wang in Waldner's era would have a career similar to Ma Wenge.His backhand and serve receive would have been exposed by Europeans even more.
Это было круто
How could you think wang would ever have a chance against waldner? He literally missed 20 serves over 3 games. Waldner looked so bored he was only playing on his own serve
Waldner serve unfair, wouldn't be allowed by today's rules
That is the power of hidden service.. therefore it is not allowed anymore in today's TT.
Wang Liquin had notoriously crappy return of serve.There's a match in 1999 against Kreanga and once Kreanga starts serving backhand serves to Wang's forehand he totally collapsed.
As you may know it's pretty much impossible to hide the backhand serve.His short game was simply crap for the 38mm ball.
He almost lost to an Australian at the 2008 Olympics because he couldn't read his tomahawk serve.
Waldner wasn't even the worst match up serving wise for him 'cause he was particularly vulnerable to guys who liked to 3rd ball attack with their backhand like Wang Hao and Schlager.
@@maxk880 unfair? No it’s called a SKILL. Table tennis with a smaller ball, hidden serves required 10x more skill to play. It’s not unfair and people were actually good or bad at it. It was dumbed down to extend point length and rallies in the hopes it would bring mass appeal, which it still has not. Beyond that waldners real strength was in his point construction and strategy and variation in what he could do. The serves were just another strong point
@@maxk880 Not unfair if the rules were different at the time.
Wang Liqin's first international appearance.
Thanks for info
No he made the WTTC in Manchester a fews weeks before (he lost to Samsonov)
Michaut Xavier he made debut on swedish open at age 17 in 1995. he was noticed for beating Jean-Philipe Gatien, then 1 of the best players in the world in the first round before losing to Erik Lindh in the third.
Since when can you play in a white shirt? Oh orange ball.
Los chinos le tenían un terror a waldner ...por años les dio sus buenas palizas...
waldner in his prime
No that was 89-93
@@nicklasandersson5606 Waldner won with out losing a single set. In 7 games. I think its fair to say it was his peak
@@TH-cam_Globetrotter not according to himself,he was in better shape in 92,( he said in hes book,"i was in the shape of my life and i took at least 10 kilos in benchpress" ) waldner loved joling about the myth that he didnt train.and in thoose years he won exactly wich match he wanted.maybe you can call it second prime then,if anyone can have that its waldner 😀
Респект
wow are the players of 1997 weaker than players of today or is that just a different play style?
My Op: not only different style of play but different rules and equipment. Would FZD be there - I believe would loose to Waldner because of this, be Waldner here - FZD would beat him.
wangliqin?so cute!!!!
freaking shots from waldner!!!!!@.@
but seriuously wang made his way. Isnt he considered one of the best players of all time after that? Come On, this was a kid
老瓦👍
王励勤若い。。。
Yoooooo Henstridge!!
大人と子供の試合だな・・
What? Wang LEAKING??? That's hilarious!!!
Well look at how it's spelled, I think that was a simple mistake.
Lee-King
？王励勤发球违例？抛高不够16cm？一直这样?
Woldner vs wank le king 😂
Interesting Waldner was allowed to wear a white shirt with the white ball
Bigferg13 It's an orange ball :)
+Bigferg13 The ball is yellow by the way
I felt very sorry for liqin in 2004 olympics when he was forced to throw he match against wang hao because the chinese thought hao had better chance against waldner,though waldner didnt reach final and everything it became a throwback on the chinese with ruy min winning and then also liqin beat waldner for bronse.
Hm, nice beat with Waldners pure mistake in serve. That timeout was actually the only way to break the Waldners song
Haha, I like how they bad mouth the Chinese player, you don't do that anymore. Ha ha today when a European player loses, you credit them by saying …"they're good, they play hard, yes they have a good back hand..."
Protoze pouziva mozek.
王励勤吃球吃饱了
この頃のワルドナーと今の俺、どちらが強いのだろうか？考えさせられる💦💦
The commentators are so boring, they say nothing of value.
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wang liqin in his prime wouldve smoked waldner in his prime no doubt.
+Jonathan Landeros No. No one evolved the game as Waldner did. 3 generations of Chinese players hunted down. At least. Given the same age, Wang could win a few matches initially, then Waldner would find the ways to beat him, evolve the game, and never lose again.
So what youre saying is that Waldner was pretty good at evolving the game huh?
Jonathan Landeros Yes me and most of the table tennis world,Lao Wa. Compare the game when he was in the quarter final in SOC in 81, age 15 with how it was in 2004/5. Including a ball change from 38 to 40 mm. Mozart of table tennis was not my saying. World top ten for 20 years. The Chinese newer bothered to try to read him because they knew they could not. 13 years older still he could beat Wang. Given the opportunity of the same age and no bad back, no question.
While Waldner could beat Wang Liqin while both in their primes it would be tough still and maybe only a 50/50. Waldner was great but he definitely wasn't invincible even back then. People like Liu Guoliang gave him a lot of trouble and Jan was even feared by him and his serves during his time, he even stated this himself. Ma Lin was also way ahead of him in terms of skill and ability. But who knows for sure...
groudon4616
Well, Waldner in his prime was the 1989-1992 Waldner that won a WTTC, got a silver medal in the WTTC and won the Olympics easily.
If Ma Lin was way ahead of him in skill, then why did Waldner beat him 4-1 in 2004?
Waldner so boring omg you just sit there how are you best table tennis player?
To (approximately) quote the master: "I don't have to move. I'm already in the right place". 😁
Because he reads the game so well he's often in the right position
Very boring Compared to 2018
I don't think so. The real TT game should be like this. The 40mm ball took spins away from TT.
If Waldner's game or Liquin's is boring for You, You dont know what TT is