The thing is with dual system building is the processors, some say you need to get matching stepping codes for the system to work, but i found out, using my dual Pentium 3 and my older dual pentium 2, its not the case. If chris removed the chips he may find that this may not have matching codes either.
Congrats on the PPro system! I have one based on the Intel PR440FX motherboard that I upgraded to 2x Pentium II 333MHz Overdrive chips. Now I want to get another socket 8 or dual socket 8 to I can keep them as PPros. Thanks for sharing!
Here's a link if you want to use the design as a template for your own collection! www.canva.com/design/DADv9geYDVo/8ilHg1PNkcCUn2pzQZVGag/view?DADv9geYDVo&mode=preview
Nice one Chris, an interesting machine. Well worthy of being in any discerning owners collection. Don't worry about it being tatty around the edges, aren't we all? 😆
With 6 cores and 12 threads considered mainstream or even low end today, this must seem quaint to many. But for me, as someone who grew up in the 90s dreaming of multi-processor systems i was reading about in magazines, there's still something special about seeing more than one actual socket in a system, even today. I've got two multi-socket systems in my collection. But unfortunately one is a Sun Fire v40z 3U rack mount dual Opteron server (with room to add two more sockets via a motherboard extension) that's too big and noisy to run often and the other is a Sun Ultra 45 workstation which only has one of its two UltraSPARC IIIi sockets populated. :( I'm happy for you Chris! Enjoy your dual-CPU beast! (You might also want to try BeOS on it too. That OS was optimized from the get go for multi-processor systems)
even the oldest dual processor system that i used back then was a SkullTrail one, the machine on this video just a very comfy viewing and its very fascinating seeing how they get dual processor back then. nice video!
Love the Pentium Pro, and two of them! Never had one myself back in the day, but my buddy, who did Quake character modeling and level design, did. I do have a Pentium Pro processor though. Oh and @ 4:48 MT RAM, well no wonder it's bad 🤣
Interesting video. I think we used something like this (alongside the more expensive DEC Alphas) two years before the first dual Xeon systems came along...around 1998-ish?!
I used to use a multi CPU system as my main workstation. 16 threads was amazing! Now I have a CPU that does the same at a higher clockspeed with half the wattage. So crazy.
@@RetroTinkerer right on! Yea, if they had the design, that would be awesome! This machine eventually ended up in a new old stock case that had a matching I/O shield, which was pretty exciting! More to follow in a future video.
cracking system! get a second CD Rom dropped in it, just so you can. Also if you load windows 3.51 on it, you will find it maybe even faster than NT4, You could try and see how VMware works on it, and see about hosting a guest OS. The BIOS i love! i had a early pentium with that bios! you could change the colour of it too, looking at yours i think they may have binned that off. You could drop the board in a full size old server tower, and go to town max it with scsi etc.
A little bit too late to this but worth mentioning, it was not until Redhat 7.1 (seawolf) no to be confused with RHEL 7, which came with Kernel 2.4 that both processors were really used properly. kernels prior 2.4 did not scale well with SMP based machines even if you used an mp kernel. by the way I still have a Tyan 1662 soewhere collecting dust, it was pretty good back then if you had a proper PSU to cope with the load of 2 cpus
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@@chrisblanchard6930 yea! motherboard needed some work and the case was not in great shape. The system is now in a new old stock case, and as we see the mobo was repaired. I powered this up this week, still going strong.
$15 for that?!? You lucky bastard........the seller was likely a clueless n00b. Such a vintage rigs are sold for at least $600 on eBay. Just a single (not dual CPU) motherboard without anything else sells for 100-200 dollars, each VRM is 15-45, each CPU 80-100 not to mention the box, RAM, drives and extra cards. I'm crying right now......
I literally bought it without even thinking twice 🤣🤣. Fortunately the PS/2 fuse and RTC clock were easy fixes. In a later video,.I put this system in a new old stock case!! It looks really sharp.
I don't know if anyone saw it or mentioned it already, but you actually have 180 MHz PPro CPU's and you are running them overclocked @200 MHz! Nice!
Oh interesting, yea, I didn't realize that!!
Very interesting, I have never used a dual processor system like this. It was fun watching the setup.
Glad you liked it! This is a fun machine.
The thing is with dual system building is the processors, some say you need to get matching stepping codes for the system to work, but i found out, using my dual Pentium 3 and my older dual pentium 2, its not the case. If chris removed the chips he may find that this may not have matching codes either.
Great video on this system! Those Pentium Pros are huge!
They sure are! Definitely the most difficult ZIF socket I have ever seen! Thanks for watching.
Very helpful Channel. Today I've made t5700 with 98SE, You inspired me. Thx.
Oh, glad to hear that you find that video helpful. Thanks for the feedback!
Congrats on the PPro system! I have one based on the Intel PR440FX motherboard that I upgraded to 2x Pentium II 333MHz Overdrive chips. Now I want to get another socket 8 or dual socket 8 to I can keep them as PPros. Thanks for sharing!
Oh yeah! I will say though, dual Pentium II's sounds like a lot of fun too!
As a Red Hatter my heart warmed to see a install of RH 6.2 on a dual Pentium pro. Very jelly of that buy for $15!
It was the deal of the century!!
I like the infographics. Cool stuff :)
Thank you :)
Here's a link if you want to use the design as a template for your own collection! www.canva.com/design/DADv9geYDVo/8ilHg1PNkcCUn2pzQZVGag/view?DADv9geYDVo&mode=preview
You probably got more in gold melt value than $15.00 - good find!
Haha, ain't that the truth! I think the Pentium Pro is a popular CPU for scrappers...but these ones are safe!
Nice one Chris, an interesting machine. Well worthy of being in any discerning owners collection. Don't worry about it being tatty around the edges, aren't we all? 😆
Haha, so true! I did get an opportunity to put this in a new old stock case though, more to follow in a future video!!
With 6 cores and 12 threads considered mainstream or even low end today, this must seem quaint to many. But for me, as someone who grew up in the 90s dreaming of multi-processor systems i was reading about in magazines, there's still something special about seeing more than one actual socket in a system, even today.
I've got two multi-socket systems in my collection. But unfortunately one is a Sun Fire v40z 3U rack mount dual Opteron server (with room to add two more sockets via a motherboard extension) that's too big and noisy to run often and the other is a Sun Ultra 45 workstation which only has one of its two UltraSPARC IIIi sockets populated. :(
I'm happy for you Chris! Enjoy your dual-CPU beast!
(You might also want to try BeOS on it too. That OS was optimized from the get go for multi-processor systems)
Thank you! I'll have to have a look at BeOS!
even the oldest dual processor system that i used back then was a SkullTrail one, the machine on this video just a very comfy viewing and its very fascinating seeing how they get dual processor back then.
nice video!
Thank you! Yea, it's pretty cool!!
Love the Pentium Pro, and two of them! Never had one myself back in the day, but my buddy, who did Quake character modeling and level design, did. I do have a Pentium Pro processor though.
Oh and @ 4:48 MT RAM, well no wonder it's bad 🤣
Haha, yeah, I ordered a bunch of MT RAM that was new old stock and it was bad too!!
Nice video, Chris, as always.
Thanks, John! A future video will show this beast in a new case ;)
Interesting video. I think we used something like this (alongside the more expensive DEC Alphas) two years before the first dual Xeon systems came along...around 1998-ish?!
That sounds about right!
I absolutely love these machines. They have always been my favorite!
I'm stoked that I finally own one!!
Thanks!
Thank you! Very kind of you!!
You should have tried OS/2, I think it supported smp.
It's not too late ;) I'll have a look!
I used to use a multi CPU system as my main workstation. 16 threads was amazing! Now I have a CPU that does the same at a higher clockspeed with half the wattage. So crazy.
Right on! Seems that Moore's law held true there for a while. Thanks for watching!
Wait....
16 threads in the 90s??
@@AdrianuX1985 The CPUs were from '09, not '90 :) sorry if I was a bit confusing. I was playing with these around 2015.
@@moth.monster
The video was about PC from the 90s, so I thought you mentioned PC from that era. :)
Is that a Frog Design case? That power button is very Frog/Packard Bell-esque.
It really does! I think it's a generic case from back in the day, but looks like they did take some design elements here :)
You've been very kind with that IO Shield, it's an abomination
Yea, it was pretty bad! There is even "better" news for the I/O shield on this rig.. more to come in a future video!
I wonder how much would be to order an small batch of AT I/O shield at a place like PCBway.
@@RetroTinkerer I think this is an early ATX shield but I'm not sure, Chris?
@@RetroTinkerer right on! Yea, if they had the design, that would be awesome! This machine eventually ended up in a new old stock case that had a matching I/O shield, which was pretty exciting! More to follow in a future video.
cracking system! get a second CD Rom dropped in it, just so you can. Also if you load windows 3.51 on it, you will find it maybe even faster than NT4, You could try and see how VMware works on it, and see about hosting a guest OS. The BIOS i love! i had a early pentium with that bios! you could change the colour of it too, looking at yours i think they may have binned that off. You could drop the board in a full size old server tower, and go to town max it with scsi etc.
I've done NT 3.51 on this! There is a Twitter post somewhere. The memory placement prevents a second CD ROM, even in its new case sadly
@@RetroTechChris what a pain,
great machine for great collector!!!
how u created your infograph.. pls. provide details if possible.
I used the website canva.com and used an infograph template. It was a bit tedious, but it turned out pretty nice!
If you want to use my design as a template, here you go! www.canva.com/design/DADv9geYDVo/8ilHg1PNkcCUn2pzQZVGag/view?DADv9geYDVo&mode=preview
@@RetroTechChris sure we give a try.. and thanks for your reply
Dual Pentium Pro: When a 1,000 watt space heater just isn’t cutting it!
HAHA, this is so true. When this machine is running, you definitely hear it too!!
Nice system! You know you will start looking for a pair of Socket-8 Pentium Pro overdrive CPUs, right?
HAHA, someone on Twitter had mentioned that too! Given how well this machine also runs Windows XP, maybe that might be a thing to do :)
@@RetroTechChris Give XP a good tune, and you will find it will run even better!
@@procta2343 I have a post on Twitter where I am running XP on this!
@@RetroTechChris Have a go with windows 2003 server, but the system will need 128mb of ram for it to entertain it.
@@procta2343 system now has 384MB :)
do you have a permanent job in mind for this system like being a file server?
Good question! I don't have something in mind at this time, but I really should find a way to put it to use!
A little bit too late to this but worth mentioning, it was not until Redhat 7.1 (seawolf) no to be confused with RHEL 7, which came with Kernel 2.4 that both processors were really used properly. kernels prior 2.4 did not scale well with SMP based machines even if you used an mp kernel. by the way I still have a Tyan 1662 soewhere collecting dust, it was pretty good back then if you had a proper PSU to cope with the load of 2 cpus
Good to know. Thanks!
Try installing the latest release of the debian linux distribution.
It might work.
I wrote as a separate comment because the YT bot deletes the comment when I add the following content:
The YT bot removes the comment with a link, so it gives the source as a search query:
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Yea, the algorithm likes to eat legit comments. I'll look into it, this would be a fun project!
Like! Very interesting system.
Thank you! I love this system.
How many watts does it take at idle and under stress?
Good question. Haven't measured it, but the current case it is in has a 250W power supply, so guessing not more than that!
Nice! I need a pair of those coolers. If anyone has them, please let me know. Thanks!
I really don't like wrong aspect ratio in captures
Then stop watching my videos. There's nothing I can do to change a video after it is released.
That tail though...
Not sure I understand what you are referencing here...
@@RetroTechChris The cursor in the bios gui has a little tail that wiggles around..
@@chaoticsystem2211 aha! I'm tracking now :)
Did you really get that for $15!!??! SHAME ON THOSE EBAY SELLERS THAT PRICE THEM AT $300-500!!
@@chrisblanchard6930 yea! motherboard needed some work and the case was not in great shape. The system is now in a new old stock case, and as we see the mobo was repaired. I powered this up this week, still going strong.
TMC TD6NF
Correct!
$15 for that?!? You lucky bastard........the seller was likely a clueless n00b.
Such a vintage rigs are sold for at least $600 on eBay. Just a single (not dual CPU) motherboard without anything else sells for 100-200 dollars, each VRM is 15-45, each CPU 80-100 not to mention the box, RAM, drives and extra cards. I'm crying right now......
I literally bought it without even thinking twice 🤣🤣. Fortunately the PS/2 fuse and RTC clock were easy fixes. In a later video,.I put this system in a new old stock case!! It looks really sharp.