Note from one of the devs (since I had to check all of this by hand when I still had alpha access) "Yoooo sick video today! Here are the only inaccuracies I noticed from it: From video: - You cant tech shield break landing - Special pummel also removes chaingrab protection" Everyone say "thank you" to Trevor now
I love how many times in this video you're like "so this is like the melee mechanic with a five letter acronym that requires 18 frame perfect inputs. In rivals it has an actual word that makes sense for the name and requires two buffered button presses."
even in rivals 1 they’ve been simplifying a lot of movement tech from games like pm and melee but i don’t lose my muscle memory switching between them which is the coolest part imo
Been hype for this ever since I stopped competing, Rivals has always been a series that felt smooth as butter but didn't have enough local support to naturally build a scene. I'm hoping this pops off so I can go back to competing, the community for the original game has been the most welcoming I've ever experienced. Rivals feels great and Rivals 2 carried that from what I've played already, and I'm really excited with how the new characters not in the original Rivals felt
Never heard of Rivals. I never got into Melee as a player but watched stuff here and ghere over the years. I was always shocked that no game came close to Melee. This is really frickin cool to learn about and I hope it becomes huge.
Great video as always! Super thorough breakdown of the game as it stands rn, and a great overview as we head into Genesis! Sorry if this comes off as rude, but a couple points to clarify tho: - grab lockout - u made it sound like only normal pummel negates the timer, but it is removed if either pummel connects - wavedash input - for folks new to Rivals, just know that pressing shield during jumpsquat doesn’t cancel ur jumpsquat, it’ll just buffer the airdodge to ur first airborne frame. So basically so long as u try and wavedash exactly when u jump (input at the same time) or delay like in melee, u’ll wavedash just fine and with the same framedata either way - ledgedash invincibility - u can ledgedash with invincibility even after u’ve landed, but as soon as u input an attack the s disappear. So no invincible jabs/grabs, but u can safely get into shield Anyway, again, great video Wisely!
Thanks! And no worries, it's not rude! You're just more specific about certain things. EDIT: Trevor DMd me to confirm, ledgedash intangability goes away right after the waveland ends regardless of if you attack or not.
I remember Ateozc explaining to me about the grab mechanics in person, without context of video. I was honestly still kinda lost on how it works LOL. Seeing the visual indicators of the said grab breaks is a nice touch. I’ve been playing Tekken 8 recently and seeing the similarities of that grab break mini game makes me a bit more excited / nervous for this change (Thanks King for the knowledge check PTSD 😭)
Can't wait for this game. Lifelong melee fan since WAY back in the Gamefaqs days. Fell in love with Rivals about 2 years ago, and super hyped to see the sequel.
i cant wait to combo off of the chaingrab lockout grab break animation, like into a falling projectile or fleet explosion or something. that would be so swag
Going from Super Smash Flash 2 to Rivals of Aether is possibly the best thing I've ever done in terms of the games I play all the time. Rivals is just super polished and I'm real excited for the sequel.
I’ve been asking about galint for weeks now! Thank you for catering to the nerds! Also, I’m willing to bet that most players will use special pummel over normal pummel in the beginning, so it might be worth it to make regrabs exclusive to the normal pummel. For balancing reasons and whatnot.
Maybe I should've have mentioned the crouch canceling 🤣 Either way, great vid and I'm super looking forward to Rivals 2! I love how intentional the mechanics are.
@@atWisely Oh I'm sure, I was just joking because it almost felt like I caused the takedown due to the timing. You said yourself in the video that you weren't covering everything, and I'm of the opinion that you've hit all the most important stuff. I only know about crouch canceling because I managed to get it in the dev Q&A on the discord and it's been on my mind recently. There are so many cool details in this game's design!
13:19 love this bit! :D one of the most informative rivals 2 videos I've seen so far. man I'm excited for this game. I've been around since the early rivals 1 days. I hope all characters return for the sequel except ori and shovel knight obviously
ledge dashes from tournament winners don't have as much invincibility as a normal ledgedash (though they might be slightly longer iirc) also i feel like your recovery example with ranno divekicking the wall is misleading. ranno's divekick was changed so that he's fully actionable after a while instead of only being able to jump. so you can still do divekick walljump recoveries, ranno players will just have to relearn the spacings love the video tho, can't wait for this game!
Damn, I played the playtest last weekend and I had no idea most of those were even in the game. I was mashing during grabs, sometimes I would get out and think "huh, that worked I guess". This game *really* needs a tutorial.
Wtf is that Honda @ 0:55? He left our scene ~2018 and has been travelling the nation as an artist since. MY GOD does the guy on the left look and sound just like him.
As someone who played Greninja and Inkling post Melee (aka two characters that often can’t do a damn thing about a low percentage shield break), boy do I sure prefer the idea of breaks popping the opponent up in the air rather than a stun-state! Also!!! Sooo glad that there is a reason to pummel now. I NEVER used to pummel. I always considered the risk of the opponent mashing out to be waaay worse than the reward of minimally more damage.
Is there a resource where I can find all the tech that’s in rivals? Searching on TH-cam doesn’t really show you everything if you know the specific tech.
Has babydashing changed? On Twitter there was talk (I think from Dan) about changing it to put the consistency between analog and digital inputs more in line with each other. (Maybe extending it to a 2 frame dash input?)
One thing I'm curious about ledges is how ledge grabbing works. Is it like melee where you can only grab it when you have downward momentum? Can you grab the ledge if your back is to the ledge? Are there magnet hands and if so, how strong are they?
I'm making "How X Character Works" videos that should explain all that kind of stuff! I have both the brand new characters out, but still working on the returning cast.
Is slingshot (the universal movement tech in ultimate) in Rivals 2? I wanted to ask this on the Dev Q&A stream but was busy with work. Would be awesome to see slingshot in rivals 2 since it's literally just RAR but much more lenient, versatile, and beginner friendly. Any info would be great!
Any updates about when the beta will be? I just found out about the newsletter and signed up, but I haven't seen any other info. I'm new to rivals and really excited for rivals 2
I liked Rivals 1 a lot, but it came at a time, where i lost interest in Platform Fighters, mainly because of sucking lol But rivals 2 looks like its a lot of fun, might pick it up if it ever comes out on console
It's so weird how you're only comparing things to Melee and PM. Like how you made acting out of tourney winner a huge deal, even though that's been in smash since at least 4.
It's because more of my personal experience is with those two, that's all. And a lot of people only play one or the other. Some Melee friends were shocked when I told them you can act out of tourney winner in other games.
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Note from one of the devs (since I had to check all of this by hand when I still had alpha access)
"Yoooo sick video today! Here are the only inaccuracies I noticed from it:
From video:
- You cant tech shield break landing
- Special pummel also removes chaingrab protection"
Everyone say "thank you" to Trevor now
Thankyou trevor
thank you trevor
Thank you Trevor!
Thank you, Trevor.
Thank you, Trevor!
holy shit im never seeing another human when i get this game
I love how many times in this video you're like "so this is like the melee mechanic with a five letter acronym that requires 18 frame perfect inputs. In rivals it has an actual word that makes sense for the name and requires two buffered button presses."
actually he never said this
@@ringotheflamingo6900He mentions SHFFL at 16:14. Not 18 frame perfect inputs, but I take it this is an example of what they were referring to lol
even in rivals 1 they’ve been simplifying a lot of movement tech from games like pm and melee but i don’t lose my muscle memory switching between them which is the coolest part imo
Initialism actually, people call it "shuffle". It's not the worst piece of jargon seeing as it's initials spell out what it is 100% accurately
can I Koopabackdashwaveslide Hoverwalkmoonland in Rivals 2?
Once Melee Bowser is added, absolutely
well its in rivals 1 soooo
@@zachstarattack7320 fancy seeing you here, sup dude
Yes you actually can
Been hype for this ever since I stopped competing, Rivals has always been a series that felt smooth as butter but didn't have enough local support to naturally build a scene. I'm hoping this pops off so I can go back to competing, the community for the original game has been the most welcoming I've ever experienced.
Rivals feels great and Rivals 2 carried that from what I've played already, and I'm really excited with how the new characters not in the original Rivals felt
"there is no mashing"
day1 buy
Never heard of Rivals. I never got into Melee as a player but watched stuff here and ghere over the years. I was always shocked that no game came close to Melee. This is really frickin cool to learn about and I hope it becomes huge.
I really like how nothing requires mashing. Makes the game more accessible.
What is mashig
@@granddaddylurch9178 pressing a button repeatedly as quickly as possible.
@@the3dluxe53 I'm not sure how you're considering buttonmashing to be inaccessible lol but I'm absolutely glad to see it gone too.
@@F8isRIPPIN some people have muscle conditions and such.
"You can parry by holding Shield and pressing B"
So you're saying that Parry is essentially Special Shield, hm?
Oh no...
I hope there will be special taunts in the same vain as Dan's taunt super from street f 4
Huh, so that's what Shield + B does. I'm used to NASB2, bc that input is for shield dropping.
Great video as always! Super thorough breakdown of the game as it stands rn, and a great overview as we head into Genesis!
Sorry if this comes off as rude, but a couple points to clarify tho:
- grab lockout - u made it sound like only normal pummel negates the timer, but it is removed if either pummel connects
- wavedash input - for folks new to Rivals, just know that pressing shield during jumpsquat doesn’t cancel ur jumpsquat, it’ll just buffer the airdodge to ur first airborne frame. So basically so long as u try and wavedash exactly when u jump (input at the same time) or delay like in melee, u’ll wavedash just fine and with the same framedata either way
- ledgedash invincibility - u can ledgedash with invincibility even after u’ve landed, but as soon as u input an attack the s disappear. So no invincible jabs/grabs, but u can safely get into shield
Anyway, again, great video Wisely!
Thanks!
And no worries, it's not rude! You're just more specific about certain things.
EDIT:
Trevor DMd me to confirm, ledgedash intangability goes away right after the waveland ends regardless of if you attack or not.
watching this before my rivals 2 pool at genesis today o7
Update: I 0-2'd but I swagged out on friendlies & I'm probably gonna main Rivals 2 in the future!
@@d3lta_pwanna play some more?
I remember Ateozc explaining to me about the grab mechanics in person, without context of video. I was honestly still kinda lost on how it works LOL.
Seeing the visual indicators of the said grab breaks is a nice touch.
I’ve been playing Tekken 8 recently and seeing the similarities of that grab break mini game makes me a bit more excited / nervous for this change (Thanks King for the knowledge check PTSD 😭)
Yeah, at least it's a 50/50 and not a full grappler with 100 different ways to start it, hahaha
Can't wait for this game. Lifelong melee fan since WAY back in the Gamefaqs days. Fell in love with Rivals about 2 years ago, and super hyped to see the sequel.
Gotta love these guide videos for games that haven't even been released yet:P
I thought about that while making it, but even the devs are sending this to people now so I'm feeling good LOL
Looks like I'm watching it again
I need to play this game so bad
I'm gonna be keeping my eyes peeled on your channel from now. Really excited to hear you talking more about Rivals 2 and well... anything, honestly.
Well thank you
Still hoping that Forsburn makes it on to the roster, he was easily my favorite character to play in rivals 1
i cant wait to combo off of the chaingrab lockout grab break animation, like into a falling projectile or fleet explosion or something. that would be so swag
Going from Super Smash Flash 2 to Rivals of Aether is possibly the best thing I've ever done in terms of the games I play all the time. Rivals is just super polished and I'm real excited for the sequel.
Hey I know you
This game looks so cool. Cannot wait for it to release
I’ve been asking about galint for weeks now! Thank you for catering to the nerds!
Also, I’m willing to bet that most players will use special pummel over normal pummel in the beginning, so it might be worth it to make regrabs exclusive to the normal pummel. For balancing reasons and whatnot.
Damn this game can do everything!
...
But can I find love in Rivals 2?
No, but you can in the free dating sim spinoff.
Maybe I should've have mentioned the crouch canceling 🤣
Either way, great vid and I'm super looking forward to Rivals 2! I love how intentional the mechanics are.
LOL
@@atWisely Oh I'm sure, I was just joking because it almost felt like I caused the takedown due to the timing. You said yourself in the video that you weren't covering everything, and I'm of the opinion that you've hit all the most important stuff. I only know about crouch canceling because I managed to get it in the dev Q&A on the discord and it's been on my mind recently. There are so many cool details in this game's design!
Wisely, this video was amazing. Thank you! Can't wait for the Rivals 2 bracket at Genny.
18:14
Oh shoot there's way more!?
I'm hungry for more info!
Amazing vid Wisley! Editing was smooth showcasing what you're explaining at the time you explain it. And everything made sense right away!
I'd love to see more R2 content, especially character overviews!
It's not the only game I'm going to cover, but there's going to be a ton of R2 in the future, no worries!
This was super helpful, i had to play that frog over and over and i was mashing my heart out gettimg tilted af
Dude your beard is sick I hope to have one that can come close to it one day
This is an awesome video, thanks so much for making it! Really excited to play Rivals 2 when I was kinda neutral on it before :D
9:20 well turns out she doesn't
great video Wisely. I love the vibe ur content carries. week 1 imma find you for some friendlies!
this is shaping to be a timeless masterpiece
Great vid! So hype to lab some Clairen
13:19 love this bit! :D
one of the most informative rivals 2 videos I've seen so far. man I'm excited for this game. I've been around since the early rivals 1 days.
I hope all characters return for the sequel except ori and shovel knight obviously
ledge dashes from tournament winners don't have as much invincibility as a normal ledgedash (though they might be slightly longer iirc)
also i feel like your recovery example with ranno divekicking the wall is misleading. ranno's divekick was changed so that he's fully actionable after a while instead of only being able to jump. so you can still do divekick walljump recoveries, ranno players will just have to relearn the spacings
love the video tho, can't wait for this game!
Do they not? I didn't realize that, good catch
@@atWisely it was a dev reply to a question about them on twitter some time ago
11:08 Fun fact, this is something that originates from the OG Nasb
no
14:54 young link marked as not having a wall jump 😢
Nice content tho
I'm so mad I forgot one, I triple checked before making that part 🥲
Yeah, I was checkin' the comments to see if anyone else caught that. Adult link is the one that Can't walljump
Can’t believe Wisely would betray me like this
12:25 ha, the *cliff* notes!
Having watched this I don't think I'll ever play a single game of Ultimate ever again
Damn, I played the playtest last weekend and I had no idea most of those were even in the game. I was mashing during grabs, sometimes I would get out and think "huh, that worked I guess". This game *really* needs a tutorial.
Thanks bald Santa!
You're welcome 🥲
Wtf is that Honda @ 0:55? He left our scene ~2018 and has been travelling the nation as an artist since. MY GOD does the guy on the left look and sound just like him.
Must be a doppelganger, that's just one of my friends
Thanks for the follow up! Very excited to follow you & your content as Rivals 2 continues to unfold :)@@atWisely
That's me and mannnnn I wish I was a Honda. I'm basically a used Kia.
LMAO! A used Kia can out-drive any Fox.@@premthottumkara654
Thank you bald man for your wise wisdom
I’m so excited!!! I hope they add at least ONE of my mains back in, as I was a forsburn and absa main back in the day
As someone who played Greninja and Inkling post Melee (aka two characters that often can’t do a damn thing about a low percentage shield break), boy do I sure prefer the idea of breaks popping the opponent up in the air rather than a stun-state!
Also!!! Sooo glad that there is a reason to pummel now. I NEVER used to pummel. I always considered the risk of the opponent mashing out to be waaay worse than the reward of minimally more damage.
thank goodness i HATE mashing
crazy how its still not out
I only wish I could remap Zetterburn’s neutral B to down-B…
As a Melee Fox main, it’s a bit torturous.
Is there a resource where I can find all the tech that’s in rivals? Searching on TH-cam doesn’t really show you everything if you know the specific tech.
Has babydashing changed? On Twitter there was talk (I think from Dan) about changing it to put the consistency between analog and digital inputs more in line with each other. (Maybe extending it to a 2 frame dash input?)
I have no idea, sorry :(
wait, is that melonkeepr gold at 9:20
Video/shorts ideas, teach me all the scmovement tech preferably in melee therms 😅
Game's looking pretty great so far!
One thing I'm curious about ledges is how ledge grabbing works. Is it like melee where you can only grab it when you have downward momentum? Can you grab the ledge if your back is to the ledge? Are there magnet hands and if so, how strong are they?
It's like melee where you have to be falling, and you have to face the stage. It feels pretty forgiving compared to melee though
Thank Dan for giving me the possibility to play this game well despite sucking at making controlled movement with the joystick XD
Ok but how does Loxodant’s Koopabackdashwaveslide hoverwalkmoonland affect the meta?
I was a little bit ceptic about the game but god damn this video hyped me ❤
bro loves pity flips
Haven’t finished watching but just gotta say that a magnificent beard
Love your videos! You make me want to play this game immediately
I love this! Can you do a smashers guide to ‘insert character name her’
I'm making "How X Character Works" videos that should explain all that kind of stuff! I have both the brand new characters out, but still working on the returning cast.
I am locking in now
Is there perfect pivoting like in smash 4 in this new rivals game?
I don't believe so, but I'd need to double check to confirm
Does using kraggs platform refresh air dodge or do you have to land on main platform?
Yep, it functions as a standard platform for that kind of thing.
@@atWisely YAAAAAAS! WE EATING TODAY FELLOW KRAGG KINGS!
I'm now second guessing my answer to this LOL
But I'm like 95% sure!
How do you hitfall consistently? How does it work?
cant wait for this game
this video is super good thank u sir wise
its probably more a matter of how dramatic it is, but do you know if theres wavedropping / rundropping?
Bro your beard is life-giving.
Can you grab ledge while facing away? Or no?
EDIT:
One of the devs messaged me, I was wrong and you CAN grab the ledge backwards.
13:17 technically i would say grounded frames when you...
meant to ask, have any of the weirder mechanics like axmos dropping made it into 2? ive been curious but i havent heard anything
I highkey wish I watched this before playing the beta, makes a lot of shit make sense
the smash succesor
Thanks
Concerned if were not getting platboosting but other that Im hype for the game new things & classics.
Cool rundown.
Is slingshot (the universal movement tech in ultimate) in Rivals 2? I wanted to ask this on the Dev Q&A stream but was busy with work. Would be awesome to see slingshot in rivals 2 since it's literally just RAR but much more lenient, versatile, and beginner friendly. Any info would be great!
I don't know about that one, I'm sorry! I didn't think to test slingshot.
@@atWisely All good! Thanks for the reply anyways, I'll make sure to test it myself when the beta comes out :)
probably not. melee heads dont like it to be too easy to do backairs like that. better to wavedash backwards
@@zachstarattack7320 Well it's a good thing this game isn't marketed towards just melee players.
i don't like it either@@TheBigSad8247
Do they have slide cancelled tilts?
We're eating so good
Wish this video had chapters.
Great info thanks!
Fire vid fam, keep it up
i need you to guide me to the install button lol
Any updates about when the beta will be? I just found out about the newsletter and signed up, but I haven't seen any other info. I'm new to rivals and really excited for rivals 2
I believe Q2, but I'm not sure when that might open up for people who didn't back the Kickstarter
I liked Rivals 1 a lot, but it came at a time, where i lost interest in Platform Fighters, mainly because of sucking lol
But rivals 2 looks like its a lot of fun, might pick it up if it ever comes out on console
Is there jab reset and 2 frames in rivals 2?
Jab reset yes, 2 frames no
Isn't it called tournament winner?
Hi, will it be possible to keep beta access until the game comes out?
doesnt have my favorite smash mechanic; tripping
Awesome video.
Looking really really juicy
Where is orcane :(
ty for the info sire o7
ENGAGEMENT !!
Was this true (other than the jab reset?) 18:31
It's so weird how you're only comparing things to Melee and PM. Like how you made acting out of tourney winner a huge deal, even though that's been in smash since at least 4.
because this game is for meleeheqds haha
It's because more of my personal experience is with those two, that's all. And a lot of people only play one or the other. Some Melee friends were shocked when I told them you can act out of tourney winner in other games.
@@atWisely That makes a lot of sense. It's interesting seeing what they take from various games, trying to get the best from each
Ori isn’t in the game wtfffffffff😢😢😢😢