Filmed December 8th 2024. I have been, and probably will continue on a trend of testing a lot of semi-auto calibers. I used to fixate on testing revolver cartridges in every video and I didn't want to release a video without revolver content, but as of late, it's been increasingly difficult to do this and make it interesting because the ammo choices aren't as wide. There also seems to be a trend of 9mm ammunition getting more and more powerful while ammo companies take no time to verify that their revolver cartridges are even close to being right.
Contrary to popular belief, the 40 is not Dead. As a Cop and Firearms Instructor, I saw the 40 work very well on the streets with a couple of different factory loads in Full Size Service Pistols and the Glock 27. A little more snappy in some cases, but not a problem for the experienced shooters. I was an Armorer also, and never saw any of the guns break, crack or have problems. Glock 35's, 22', 23's, 27's and Sig P229's, and Beretta 96's were all carried by Departments in my area, and all did well. The Vast Majority carried the 165 Grain Gold Dot, The Corbon 165 or the Winchester Ranger 180 gr. I also saw a few Civilian side shootings that did well.
As this video shows, 40 S&W doesn't get enough love from the people who should love it the most-- those carrying short-barrel CCW-type guns. 9mm and 40 S&W often don't have a lot of difference in powder charge when you look at loading manuals, and when you combine that with the fact that you need over a 3.75" barrel in the 9mm to equal the volume of a 3.25" barrel in the 40 S&W when taking the case lengths into account, 40 S&W definitely has the edge over 9mm when it comes to wringing as much energy as possible out of the propellant charge. When the FBI put out its study saying 9mm was the way to go (back to), and the thundering herd left 40 S&W for 9mm, they failed to take into account that FBI was mostly studying duty-sized barrel lengths: generally at least an inch longer than we saw here.
FIB management wants the cheapest "fix" possible. They want easy training, easy qualifying, easy to get a bigger bonus by going cheap as possible. Ammo and gun manufacturers don't want 40sw. around because it can be barrel swapped from 40sw to 357sig to 9mm.; different mag and maybe spring for the 9mm conversion. If you choose M&P 2.0, the frames are universal as well. Swap uppers/slide/barrel onto a 10rnd frame in 40sw. with a 9mm. 15rnd. frame and have a 13rnd 40sw. ( both are 3.6" barrels. For that matter; I can throw my 5" KKM 357SIG barrel in my sub compact 3.6" slide for 40sw. Look at how the FIB has the whole country carry nothing but 9mm. ( that means criminals as well) I am sure they are betting on not being shot at with anything but 9mm. Like George Carlin said; "When interests align, there is no reason for conspiracy." That being said, the CIA has 20 ways to give someone cancer......
100 ft/lbs of energy is enough difference to make a difference (thank, Paul) and the Underwood 155 grain, item #223 gets just over 500 ft/lbs out of a G27 with about the same barrel length. That is 357 magnum territory. I’ll keep on being a .40 fan, even if I’m called a Boomer (which I am)! Thanks for the test, and Merry Christmas, Sam!
@@GunSam I believe it could. If it short circuits someone even a fraction of a second faster that could make the difference of them getting a shot off or not.
I recently traded a few cheaper pistols for my first Glock, a G22 Gen 5 MOS. Several of your videos about 40 S&W were useful in my ammo choice decisions. Thanks so much for continuing to make consistently great content.
The Gen 5 40 finally has a thicker and heavier slide than all gens before won't fit same holsters fyi, I haven't shot one yet, 100% on file with Gen 5 G17 but while I don't like glocks that much, a Gen 5 23 would be nice.
@@DanTheWolfmanDo you prefer M&P 2.0 ( in 40sw/357sig) ? I heard Glock followed the M&P formula for their gen.5 40sw pistols. It makes sense, after all, it is .40 Smith and Wesson. Gaston Glock swiped a few 40sw. rounds from a gun show before S&W officially released any pistols in 40sw. Shoving a 40sw. barrel in a Glock 17 was not the best idea. Poor chamber support and early breach unlock caused a few KBOOMS.
40 gets hate for no reason. People think 9 is “just as good” physics show that’s factually not true. They’re not the same nor are they similar. That’s like saying 556 and 762 are the same
I have been a 9mm guy for the last 40 + years but my mind was changed after being in a self defence shooting of 12 feet that was indoors. Myself and the assalent both presented pistols pretty much at the same time with my 365 Sig being holstered and his pistol being pocket carried in a hoodie, thankfully I was faster and shot 2 rounds of Federal HST 147 grain center mass with the rounds hitting just below the breast bone, his 2 shots thankfully both missed me. It seemed as if my rounds missed because looking at the footage from my company's surveillance camera it appeared to have no impact on him as he turned and ran off. His accomplice that was waiting in a car drove him to the hospital and his life was saved, doctors would not remove the bullets for fear of further damage to his internals. I no longer carry 9mm but instead carry a 40 cal because of the larger diameter.
.......and more muzzle energy and more efficient in short barrels. Get some Underwood, Double Tap, or Buffalo Bore in the 135/150/155grn. range. They will deliver brain capillary rupture ( a brain bleed concussion) Hope you get this; Utube/Google doesn't like facts.
Thanks for another gem of testing. I own 3/9mm and 2/.40 and shoot both calibers regularly. I see many posts and comments repeating that the .40 is "more snappy" There's a difference I guess, but it's not much and not a decision maker for me either way. I currently carry a 9 in town or in backwoods situations where bears are not a consideration. I carry the .40s in normal woods situations. I think I shoot the .40s somewhat better but it's just the individual guns and doesn't reflect on the caliber.
From what i have read about Punch is that it is basically an HST but not designed to meet FBI intermediate barrier protocol like HST . Kind of like the way Hornady Critical Defense is to Critical Duty. Thanks for all your great work Sam and Merry Xmas.
10/10 once again. I agree with everything you said. 40 wins ballistics, but 9 wins logistics. 9 is way more abundant, cheaper to train with, everyone and their grandma has 9mm lying around, and in a subcompact 40 is only 10-15% "more effective". I'll stick with the 9
Hi gun Sam. Another awsome video. These are not what I'm used to. But nice to see you test them. And good shooting as always. God bless from Pennsylvania
Thanks for that test. I'm considering buying a more modern CCW pistol, and weighing the pros & cons of 9mm/.40S&W. Your comment about how they both shoot out of those particular pistols is valid. Being in a shooting situation is hectic enough, without your pistol biting you with every shot. Merry Christmas to you all.
I'm a punch boy, always have been. Federal's answer to Hornaday's critical duty, which I do still use in my 2" .357. More proof right here, great test.
First of all, It looks like you have the 40 Taurus sorted out. Glad you stuck with it. Secondly, that 9 is just some nasty stuff! My first choice is HST but that punch is no slouch. Keep up the good work! Your channel is my #1 among ammo evaluation.
Both did really well. I'll give the win to the 40 S&W. It has a lot more energy. Glad you put in the still shot on impact , hope you continue to do that in future videos.
I have 9mm-flavored Punch, but no 40. Looks like either is a good choice. Right now, I've got 135 grain Corbon in my P239. Merry Christmas to you and your family!
I’m taking that .40 S&W all day… I feel like what the results showed here is that .40 SW is better going through barriers as well it dumped its energy in first 3 inches and still punched right through with adequate penetration while the 9mm expanded after hitting that mdf… and if the .40 would have expanded after hitting mdf it wouldn’t have peeled the pedals back as far either and would’ve had huge expansion…. But like you said both did great just going with .40… and I see HST and gold dot are greats rounds but punch rounds are great even in small caliber cartridges I’ve seen them outperform HST and gold dot in something like 22 WMR
The versatile 9mm is a great choice, but the 40 is a great duty round. The 9mm has standard pressure for training/range, +p for defense/duty, and +p+ for carbine use.
The game really changes from a 5.3" Glock 35. I was always impressed with the results no matter what load I was testing from my G35. Even cheap bullets that didn't expand well, the damage done to the block was still always impressive. I never tried the Punch, pretty good performance from those compacts...
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Like the.40, I’m carrying .40s&w M&p compact right now with federal tactical bonded 165 grain. Also have a mag of critical duty. But normally I’ll carry HST in .40 but got a deal on the bonded ammo it’s great/if not better that hst. This ammo is cool but hate that the nickel case is gone and stuck with just brass for money I’d just buy HST box of 50 LEO ammo online or good local shop
Great presentation as always. Even G19 vs G23 I find 9mm far easier to hit moving targets quickly & accurately. I shoot the G32 better than the 23. When I did my testing with G19, 23, 32, 21, and P226/229 I found that I was best with 9mm, 45, 357, and 40 in that order. Any single bad guy is toast with any of them but if there are four of them I prefer the 9 or 45. For me the hundred year old calibers work the best yet I still very much enjoy 357 and 40. All my testing was with 124gr+P, 165gr, 125gr, and 230gr Gold Dots.
Merry Christmas, Gun Sam 🎉🇺🇸🎅 I woukd not say Federal Punch is an "economy" round any longer. I can find HST +Ps in both calibers cheaper. I think Punch has proven performance and that allowed them to sell in these 20 round boxes at premium pricing.
Both are very effective. Looks good. I would assume the 40 was as large or larger in it's largest point of expansion with the MDF test. But the 9 didn't disappoint. Thank you.
Very interesting test, again. 40SW is very intriguing but when I look at the big picture it is as you said, the probability of landing a threat stopping shot is IMHO at least for me higher with 9mm than 40SW. I have an Extar EP9 incoming. This ammo will certainly be a good choice for it. I'm planning on getting an Obsidian can so 147 tests in 9mm are very much welcome *hinthint*😂 Thanks for sharing, much appreciated as usual. 🙏💯👍
I gravitated to 40 some decades ago and it stuck. Some tailored 9 hold their own but require special order and testing whereas most common 40 HP will have an edge over most common 9 HP.
These are good because 9 mm is cheap and readily available but subcompacts have too much recoil for some people. They are better off with the 380 ACP versions which they can shoot more accurately. Thanks for another informative video.
I'd really like to see a comparison between Winchester's economy ammo in 9mm and .40 S&W, specifically the 115 grain 9mm and 180 grain .40 S&W. They used to be what people typically referred to as "Winchester White Box," but recently, Winchester changed their economy JHP line to black boxes and left the FMJ target ammo in white boxes, (I guess to draw a more visual distinction between the two). I know you've tested the 147 grain Winchester white box some time back, and that would be maybe a more fair weight in 9mm to compare against the heavier 180 grain variant of the .40 S&W, but since we already have a pretty good idea of what the 147 grain can do, I think the 115 is a better choice. Also, I've seen several other channels over the years like Paul Harrell and Shootingthebull410 test the 115 grain 9mm in ordinance gel and the now famous "meat target" and gotten some pretty impressive results, especially for what the round is. Just a thought. Great Punch bullet test by the way! I love this content.
Excellent video! In sub compact pistols I feel stopping power matters the most. Most likely to be used in very close range with less than ideal first shot placement.
Other tests of the 9mm Punch that others have posted would indicate it's consistent. Some have suggested it is an HST-type design that lacks the tactical advantages of the various barrier penetration tests. You could do much worse than that Punch in either of these calibers.
Thanks for the vid. As always. I believe in Federal when it comes to bullet construction. Their affiliate companies like Speer also. I have 3 boxes of those same Punch rounds (9x19) that I picked up just to increase my defense round stash. I keep 124 grn +p in either HST or Gold Dot for ccw in my CZ 75 Compact (Canik clone). But mad glad to see the standard pressure Punch perform well. Am curious about your opinion on the Taurus G2Cs.
The Punch is an often overlooked round. It does well in all calibers that I have seen in videos and tested myself. The 45 acp version is slow but expands well. Wish they would stick that 230 grain Punch projectile in a 45 Long Colt case.
I normally carry 40 in a full size, M&P40. Carried a Kahr in 40 for over a decade but wanted more capacity. Don't carry my G27 much but do carry a G26 once in awhile. HSTs, Gold Dot or Crit Duty mostly and prefer heavy for caliber. If i can't get speed I want mass.
Love your stuff! Im a 9mm guy, but everyone is dumping their .40s. im poor, so i will probably pick one up. I know that ammo will be more expensive and less abundant for the .40s, but as long as i get proficient with the .40, i will be happy. I have other things to shoot cheaper. My dad has a Glock in .40 call, and i love it.
I rented a glock 27 at a range years ago. I didn't like it. It was very snappy and painful to shot. Every other round hurt. That Taurus is about the same weight. Is that Taurus 40sw painful to shot or uncomfortable to shoot? I've got a glock 22 40sw and it's not painful. But I can't shoot twice very quickly and hit the target. My muzzle flip is too high and the 40sw sounded like a rifle resonating through the valley. I slap a 9mm barrel in the glock 22 and have no problem shooting the 9mm.
I just got a G3C in 40 S&W. Only one range trip so far - mags were super stiff and very hard to load the last 10th round in each. Also did have a couple of FTF s out of 50 rounds but it did that very early and then none after that. My go-to carry ammo is Fed HST 180 grain. I think I'll stick with that for this new gun. My other carry 40 is a Glock 23. Thanks for a great review! Punch is good stuff and this test is about as worst case you will get for the ammo and it did good.
That's where a taurus is cheap to purchase. They don't fit or pre-wear anything, that's your job. Save 200 bucks on a pistol to spend 200 bucks making it run. Not dumping on taurus here, i own a couple myself.
@@natjonestower3035 My G3C 9mm ran perfectly right from the get-go. Same with my G3. Ditto for my 605 and Tracker 44. This is the first one that seems to need some break-in. They can be hit or miss for quality of course but I've had really good experience with my Taurus guns.
That's not true at all. I've owned several Taurus pistols and have two now and they have never been anything but reliable straight from the start. I trust those pistols just as much as I do my Glocks.
440ft/lbs from a 3in barrel and 10-22rd mags is nothing to sneeze at. Sam if u have a old Carhartt, Fleece sweater, T shirt and thermal top in front of the gel I think that would be the most realistic Cold Weather test possible.
Just imagine if half the 9mm manufacturering and R&D budgets went into the 40 S&W, we could have some really cutting edge 40 pistols. It's really underrated and the FBI gave it a bad name, because FBI...
Thanks for the test. I love the new tracks in the fresh snow. I'm a 9mm guy preferring the recoil in the 9 over the 40. I have the diamondback DB9 gen4 For EDC. I carry the 124 HST +P. I like the punch ammo here in your test. Merry Christmas and I"m hoping for you a great New Year.
I been thinking about Taurus g2c in 40 sw. I've ought 2 g2c in 9mm and love them and I reload so very little factory ammunition shot in them .everything from different 110 gr 357 rem jshp to 135gr gt bullets lhp works flawlessly and accurately all my Taurus and Taurus/ rossi pistols and revolvers works flawlessly and accurately so far.same as my more expensive brands. but as.i said about all my ammunition I reload . a friend gave me 1861 40sw cases the outher day all I need is pistol and bullets. papa😊
When I got this .40 S&W G2C it was nowhere as reliable as the 9mm version I had. Now after being sent back in, it's been totally reliable with one of the two magazines.
Filmed December 8th 2024. I have been, and probably will continue on a trend of testing a lot of semi-auto calibers. I used to fixate on testing revolver cartridges in every video and I didn't want to release a video without revolver content, but as of late, it's been increasingly difficult to do this and make it interesting because the ammo choices aren't as wide. There also seems to be a trend of 9mm ammunition getting more and more powerful while ammo companies take no time to verify that their revolver cartridges are even close to being right.
Sad but true. But reloads for the revolver could be interesting! 😊👍❤💯
Thank you this is great!
I’d like a .40 super videos
That's cool. I enjoy watching even if I have no particular interest in the match up. I always learn something I didn't know before.
That sucks about revolver ammo. I just bought a Model 10-5, 4" as my secondary, just for fun plinker.
Contrary to popular belief, the 40 is not Dead. As a Cop and Firearms Instructor, I saw the 40 work very well on the streets with a couple of different factory loads in Full Size Service Pistols and the Glock 27. A little more snappy in some cases, but not a problem for the experienced shooters. I was an Armorer also, and never saw any of the guns break, crack or have problems. Glock 35's, 22', 23's, 27's and Sig P229's, and Beretta 96's were all carried by Departments in my area, and all did well. The Vast Majority carried the 165 Grain Gold Dot, The Corbon 165 or the Winchester Ranger 180 gr. I also saw a few Civilian side shootings that did well.
It’s great for buying .40’s at a discount though. I just picked up 3 barely used P320 police trade-in’s for $300 each 😆🤷♂️
@jpoeng same here, with an in box 13rd mag tossed in!
@@Guns_N_Gears mine came with 3 x 14 rounders, but they weren’t boxed up… 😆 No complaints from me, though
@jpoeng hell YEA!!
As this video shows, 40 S&W doesn't get enough love from the people who should love it the most-- those carrying short-barrel CCW-type guns. 9mm and 40 S&W often don't have a lot of difference in powder charge when you look at loading manuals, and when you combine that with the fact that you need over a 3.75" barrel in the 9mm to equal the volume of a 3.25" barrel in the 40 S&W when taking the case lengths into account, 40 S&W definitely has the edge over 9mm when it comes to wringing as much energy as possible out of the propellant charge. When the FBI put out its study saying 9mm was the way to go (back to), and the thundering herd left 40 S&W for 9mm, they failed to take into account that FBI was mostly studying duty-sized barrel lengths: generally at least an inch longer than we saw here.
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FIB management wants the cheapest "fix" possible. They want easy training, easy qualifying, easy to get a bigger bonus by going cheap as possible. Ammo and gun manufacturers don't want 40sw. around because it can be barrel swapped from 40sw to 357sig to 9mm.; different mag and maybe spring for the 9mm
conversion. If you choose M&P 2.0, the frames are universal as well. Swap uppers/slide/barrel onto a 10rnd frame in 40sw. with a 9mm. 15rnd. frame and have a 13rnd 40sw. ( both are 3.6" barrels. For that matter; I can throw my 5" KKM 357SIG barrel in my sub compact 3.6" slide for 40sw.
Look at how the FIB has the whole country carry nothing but 9mm. ( that means criminals as well)
I am sure they are betting on not being shot at with anything but 9mm.
Like George Carlin said; "When interests align, there is no reason for conspiracy." That being said, the CIA has 20 ways to give someone cancer......
I am liking .40 S&W more and more.
Thanks for the video.
I really like your addition of the "Moment of Impact" freeze frame. 👍
100 ft/lbs of energy is enough difference to make a difference (thank, Paul) and the Underwood 155 grain, item #223 gets just over 500 ft/lbs out of a G27 with about the same barrel length. That is 357 magnum territory. I’ll keep on being a .40 fan, even if I’m called a Boomer (which I am)! Thanks for the test, and Merry Christmas, Sam!
But is it enough to make THE difference?
But is that Underwood projectile able to handle that high velocity? Or will it expand too much or too rapidly and under penetrate?
@@timrobinson6573 a lot of YT tests showing it is good.
@@GunSam I believe it could. If it short circuits someone even a fraction of a second faster that could make the difference of them getting a shot off or not.
Glock27 with hot loads is brutal. Just is.
I appreciate all your hard work to educate and entertain! Always great videos.
Thank you
I recently traded a few cheaper pistols for my first Glock, a G22 Gen 5 MOS. Several of your videos about 40 S&W were useful in my ammo choice decisions. Thanks so much for continuing to make consistently great content.
The Gen 5 40 finally has a thicker and heavier slide than all gens before won't fit same holsters fyi, I haven't shot one yet, 100% on file with Gen 5 G17 but while I don't like glocks that much, a Gen 5 23 would be nice.
@@DanTheWolfmanDo you prefer M&P 2.0 ( in 40sw/357sig) ?
I heard Glock followed the M&P formula for their gen.5 40sw pistols.
It makes sense, after all, it is .40 Smith and Wesson.
Gaston Glock swiped a few 40sw. rounds from a gun show before S&W officially released any pistols in 40sw. Shoving a 40sw. barrel in a Glock 17 was not the best idea. Poor chamber support and early breach unlock caused a few KBOOMS.
@@almaadams3631 I've rolled 2.0 3.6 .40 and p2000 .40 yesterday w a DPM spring have many .40 search for
You do really nice work. Thanks so much, sir.
40 gets hate for no reason. People think 9 is “just as good” physics show that’s factually not true. They’re not the same nor are they similar. That’s like saying 556 and 762 are the same
I have been a 9mm guy for the last 40 + years but my mind was changed after being in a self defence shooting of 12 feet that was indoors. Myself and the assalent both presented pistols pretty much at the same time with my 365 Sig being holstered and his pistol being pocket carried in a hoodie, thankfully I was faster and shot 2 rounds of Federal HST 147 grain center mass with the rounds hitting just below the breast bone, his 2 shots thankfully both missed me. It seemed as if my rounds missed because looking at the footage from my company's surveillance camera it appeared to have no impact on him as he turned and ran off. His accomplice that was waiting in a car drove him to the hospital and his life was saved, doctors would not remove the bullets for fear of further damage to his internals. I no longer carry 9mm but instead carry a 40 cal because of the larger diameter.
.......and more muzzle energy and more efficient in short barrels. Get some Underwood, Double Tap, or Buffalo Bore in the 135/150/155grn. range.
They will deliver brain capillary rupture ( a brain bleed concussion)
Hope you get this; Utube/Google doesn't like facts.
Good test and like them both I carried 40 for years and just went back to 9 because they make so many great guns in 9mm
I have that exact same G2 millennium in 9mm, It's been extremely reliable, and hasn't let me down once.
Like the moment of impact shot. Merry Christmas.
Thanks for another gem of testing. I own 3/9mm and 2/.40 and shoot both calibers regularly. I see many posts and comments repeating that the .40 is "more snappy" There's a difference I guess, but it's not much and not a decision maker for me either way. I currently carry a 9 in town or in backwoods situations where bears are not a consideration. I carry the .40s in normal woods situations. I think I shoot the .40s somewhat better but it's just the individual guns and doesn't reflect on the caliber.
From what i have read about Punch is that it is basically an HST but not designed to meet FBI intermediate barrier protocol like HST . Kind of like the way Hornady Critical Defense is to Critical Duty. Thanks for all your great work Sam and Merry Xmas.
That's one of the best performing 9mms I've ever seen!
Merry Christmas Sam!
Merry Christmas Sam.
I'll take the 100 ftlbs of energy, Sam thanks for the test. Merry Christmas ⛄🎁
I have to say Federal did a great job with the Punch line of ammo!
Another Gr8 video n comparison and love that slow mo as well.
Can’t wait to c more caliber comparisons. Thanks GS!!!
Merry Christmas, Sam. I learn a lot from your videos. Have a great new year.
Thank you, same to you.
Thanks for another video Sam, and Merry Christmas!
Phenomenal performance with both cartridges.
Love the short barrel tests. Thanks Sam!
My old 40 Glock 22 felt more of a jolt than my gen5 Glock 17 and concluded the target would also feel the difference. I'm going back to the 40.
10/10 once again. I agree with everything you said. 40 wins ballistics, but 9 wins logistics. 9 is way more abundant, cheaper to train with, everyone and their grandma has 9mm lying around, and in a subcompact 40 is only 10-15% "more effective".
I'll stick with the 9
Wrong
Agreed 100%, 9mm Glock 34, 40 S&w shield.
Hi gun Sam. Another awsome video. These are not what I'm used to. But nice to see you test them. And good shooting as always. God bless from Pennsylvania
Thanks for that test. I'm considering buying a more modern CCW pistol, and weighing the pros & cons of 9mm/.40S&W. Your comment about how they both shoot out of those particular pistols is valid. Being in a shooting situation is hectic enough, without your pistol biting you with every shot.
Merry Christmas to you all.
Good test Sam. I have a G2C just like those. The 9mm looked pretty good. Thank you for braving the cold.
I'm a punch boy, always have been. Federal's answer to Hornaday's critical duty, which I do still use in my 2" .357. More proof right here, great test.
First of all, It looks like you have the 40 Taurus sorted out. Glad you stuck with it. Secondly, that 9 is just some nasty stuff! My first choice is HST but that punch is no slouch. Keep up the good work! Your channel is my #1 among ammo evaluation.
Both did really well. I'll give the win to the 40 S&W. It has a lot more energy. Glad you put in the still shot on impact , hope you continue to do that in future videos.
This video is well presented. It is informative and it kept my interest throughout the video. Nice work.
Thx for keeping the .40 alive! ❤
I have 9mm-flavored Punch, but no 40. Looks like either is a good choice. Right now, I've got 135 grain Corbon in my P239. Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Move on from 9mm. Your life may depend on it.
I’m taking that .40 S&W all day… I feel like what the results showed here is that .40 SW is better going through barriers as well it dumped its energy in first 3 inches and still punched right through with adequate penetration while the 9mm expanded after hitting that mdf… and if the .40 would have expanded after hitting mdf it wouldn’t have peeled the pedals back as far either and would’ve had huge expansion…. But like you said both did great just going with .40… and I see HST and gold dot are greats rounds but punch rounds are great even in small caliber cartridges I’ve seen them outperform HST and gold dot in something like 22 WMR
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions
The versatile 9mm is a great choice, but the 40 is a great duty round. The 9mm has standard pressure for training/range, +p for defense/duty, and +p+ for carbine use.
It isn't a wrong choice, that's for sure.
9mm is the cal of hipsters 😂🤣
+p+ out of Keltec sub2k is ok / safe?
The game really changes from a 5.3" Glock 35. I was always impressed with the results no matter what load I was testing from my G35. Even cheap bullets that didn't expand well, the damage done to the block was still always impressive. I never tried the Punch, pretty good performance from those compacts...
Another great video and kudos to Federal for Punch & HST dependable defense ammo.
As always thanks for the interesting video. Merry Christmas.🌲
Two excellent rounds, thanks.
Aaand, a Merry Christmas 🎄 to you and yours.
Happy Holidays to you GunSam and your family! Also for your Viewers and their families! Thank you for all you do and showing us the way of the Gun. 🎄🎁♠️🎩🎯🇺🇸🏹
Like the.40, I’m carrying .40s&w M&p compact right now with federal tactical bonded 165 grain. Also have a mag of critical duty. But normally I’ll carry HST in .40 but got a deal on the bonded ammo it’s great/if not better that hst. This ammo is cool but hate that the nickel case is gone and stuck with just brass for money I’d just buy HST box of 50 LEO ammo online or good local shop
Both of those look damn good! Nice test.
Merry Christmas, Sam. 🎄 Thanks for the last year. 🫡🇺🇲
Great presentation as always. Even G19 vs G23 I find 9mm far easier to hit moving targets quickly & accurately. I shoot the G32 better than the 23. When I did my testing with G19, 23, 32, 21, and P226/229 I found that I was best with 9mm, 45, 357, and 40 in that order. Any single bad guy is toast with any of them but if there are four of them I prefer the 9 or 45. For me the hundred year old calibers work the best yet I still very much enjoy 357 and 40. All my testing was with 124gr+P, 165gr, 125gr, and 230gr Gold Dots.
Great video Sam
Merry Christmas, Gun Sam 🎉🇺🇸🎅
I woukd not say Federal Punch is an "economy" round any longer. I can find HST +Ps in both calibers cheaper. I think Punch has proven performance and that allowed them to sell in these 20 round boxes at premium pricing.
Great video as always
Big 40 fan here, its not dead.
Merry Christmas, Sam!
You do a great job on your videos, keep em coming! Just subscribed
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Excellent video.
Definitely appreciate the test!!
Good to see lighter weight in the 40 . 150 gr to 170 gr for 40 S&W , 170 gr and up for 10mm .
CS. Another good video and interesting ammo comparison. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you
Great punch comparison.
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Impressive results from the punch, thanks for sharing. I love that shooting club shirt where can I get one?
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Great video, I was just thinking today over the difference of 9mm and 40 cal. in sub compact pistols.
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Merry Christmas! Jesus came as a baby the first time. He is coming back soon as a warrior. Better get ready.
Both are very effective. Looks good. I would assume the 40 was as large or larger in it's largest point of expansion with the MDF test. But the 9 didn't disappoint. Thank you.
Very interesting test, again. 40SW is very intriguing but when I look at the big picture it is as you said, the probability of landing a threat stopping shot is IMHO at least for me higher with 9mm than 40SW. I have an Extar EP9 incoming. This ammo will certainly be a good choice for it. I'm planning on getting an Obsidian can so 147 tests in 9mm are very much welcome *hinthint*😂
Thanks for sharing, much appreciated as usual. 🙏💯👍
I gravitated to 40 some decades ago and it stuck. Some tailored 9 hold their own but require special order and testing whereas most common 40 HP will have an edge over most common 9 HP.
These are good because 9 mm is cheap and readily available but subcompacts have too much recoil for some people. They are better off with the 380 ACP versions which they can shoot more accurately. Thanks for another informative video.
I'd really like to see a comparison between Winchester's economy ammo in 9mm and .40 S&W, specifically the 115 grain 9mm and 180 grain .40 S&W.
They used to be what people typically referred to as "Winchester White Box," but recently, Winchester changed their economy JHP line to black boxes and left the FMJ target ammo in white boxes, (I guess to draw a more visual distinction between the two).
I know you've tested the 147 grain Winchester white box some time back, and that would be maybe a more fair weight in 9mm to compare against the heavier 180 grain variant of the .40 S&W, but since we already have a pretty good idea of what the 147 grain can do, I think the 115 is a better choice.
Also, I've seen several other channels over the years like Paul Harrell and Shootingthebull410 test the 115 grain 9mm in ordinance gel and the now famous "meat target" and gotten some pretty impressive results, especially for what the round is.
Just a thought. Great Punch bullet test by the way! I love this content.
Both calibers look good, but the .40 definitely has a bit more "punch."
Excellent video! In sub compact pistols I feel stopping power matters the most. Most likely to be used in very close range with less than ideal first shot placement.
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I wonder if the 9 performs in that exact way consistently or not. I personally liked the 40 better regardless.
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Other tests of the 9mm Punch that others have posted would indicate it's consistent. Some have suggested it is an HST-type design that lacks the tactical advantages of the various barrier penetration tests. You could do much worse than that Punch in either of these calibers.
I've tested from 3 different barrel lengths and all done great so ...yeah
Awesome video, think you will get around to testing 460 and 960 rowland?
No lol. I just don't see it happening as the conversions are a bit more complicated than let's say, when I shoot .357 Sig from my .40 S&W pistol.
Thanks for the vid. As always. I believe in Federal when it comes to bullet construction. Their affiliate companies like Speer also. I have 3 boxes of those same Punch rounds (9x19) that I picked up just to increase my defense round stash. I keep 124 grn +p in either HST or Gold Dot for ccw in my CZ 75 Compact (Canik clone). But mad glad to see the standard pressure Punch perform well.
Am curious about your opinion on the Taurus G2Cs.
The Punch is an often overlooked round. It does well in all calibers that I have seen in videos and tested myself. The 45 acp version is slow but expands well. Wish they would stick that 230 grain Punch projectile in a 45 Long Colt case.
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I normally carry 40 in a full size, M&P40. Carried a Kahr in 40 for over a decade but wanted more capacity. Don't carry my G27 much but do carry a G26 once in awhile. HSTs, Gold Dot or Crit Duty mostly and prefer heavy for caliber. If i can't get speed I want mass.
punch is great from short barrels and straight line deep penetration. even in 22s
Nice test.
Love your stuff! Im a 9mm guy, but everyone is dumping their .40s. im poor, so i will probably pick one up. I know that ammo will be more expensive and less abundant for the .40s, but as long as i get proficient with the .40, i will be happy. I have other things to shoot cheaper.
My dad has a Glock in .40 call, and i love it.
During covid, 40 was the ONLY cal available around here!
9mm, 1st to go....
I rented a glock 27 at a range years ago. I didn't like it. It was very snappy and painful to shot. Every other round hurt. That Taurus is about the same weight. Is that Taurus 40sw painful to shot or uncomfortable to shoot? I've got a glock 22 40sw and it's not painful. But I can't shoot twice very quickly and hit the target. My muzzle flip is too high and the 40sw sounded like a rifle resonating through the valley. I slap a 9mm barrel in the glock 22 and have no problem shooting the 9mm.
I just got a G3C in 40 S&W. Only one range trip so far - mags were super stiff and very hard to load the last 10th round in each. Also did have a couple of FTF
s out of 50 rounds but it did that very early and then none after that. My go-to carry ammo is Fed HST 180 grain. I think I'll stick with that for this new gun. My other carry 40 is a Glock 23. Thanks for a great review! Punch is good stuff and this test is about as worst case you will get for the ammo and it did good.
That's where a taurus is cheap to purchase. They don't fit or pre-wear anything, that's your job. Save 200 bucks on a pistol to spend 200 bucks making it run. Not dumping on taurus here, i own a couple myself.
@@natjonestower3035 My G3C 9mm ran perfectly right from the get-go. Same with my G3. Ditto for my 605 and Tracker 44. This is the first one that seems to need some break-in. They can be hit or miss for quality of course but I've had really good experience with my Taurus guns.
That's not true at all. I've owned several Taurus pistols and have two now and they have never been anything but reliable straight from the start. I trust those pistols just as much as I do my Glocks.
Merry Christmas 🎄Ever think of going .400 Corbon testing & comparison?
Moment of impact....we know the .40 has 100ft lbs advantage going in so I would go with the .40.
No greater advantage than accuracy
@@sparky_-mf2cs Unless you watched a different video than I did he hit the target, lots of them. So much for the accuracy argument.
@BigSlick40 my point exactly whether its 300 ft pounds of energy or 400...does it really matter if you hit accurately???
@@sparky_-mf2cs Yes, it could very well make all the difference in the world. You want as much energy transferred into your target as possible.
@BigSlick40 okay buddy😂 ... show me an example...im sure nobody in a casket complains about energy transfer...
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440ft/lbs from a 3in barrel and 10-22rd mags is nothing to sneeze at. Sam if u have a old Carhartt, Fleece sweater, T shirt and thermal top in front of the gel I think that would be the most realistic Cold Weather test possible.
Just imagine if half the 9mm manufacturering and R&D budgets went into the 40 S&W, we could have some really cutting edge 40 pistols. It's really underrated and the FBI gave it a bad name, because FBI...
I am interested in long barrel 9mm terminal ballistics. I bought an Extar EP9. I'm sure you would find it to be a fastenating gun.
In the video, it apears that the muzzels of your guns are about three feet from the gel. Is that what they are?
Federal Punch is good stuff. Wonder the difference with HST ? Seems to be same bullet
Thanks for the test. I love the new tracks in the fresh snow. I'm a 9mm guy preferring the recoil in the 9 over the 40. I have the diamondback DB9 gen4 For EDC. I carry the 124 HST +P. I like the punch ammo here in your test. Merry Christmas and I"m hoping for you a great New Year.
My glock 22 never leaves my side! I’ve never worried about “over penetration”
I think punch is probably the best economy round on the market, but then again it is more pricey than typical economy stuff.
I been thinking about Taurus g2c in 40 sw. I've ought 2 g2c in 9mm and love them and I reload so very little factory ammunition shot in them .everything from different 110 gr 357 rem jshp to 135gr gt bullets lhp works flawlessly and accurately
all my Taurus and Taurus/ rossi pistols and revolvers works flawlessly and accurately so far.same as my more expensive brands. but as.i said about all my ammunition I reload . a friend gave me 1861 40sw cases the outher day all I need is pistol and bullets. papa😊
When I got this .40 S&W G2C it was nowhere as reliable as the 9mm version I had. Now after being sent back in, it's been totally reliable with one of the two magazines.
The 40 just needs a bigger gun. Something you can get a good grip on that spreads the recoil force over a larger area.
If you buy a modular designed pistol, you can solve that problem easy!!
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What are the model numbers of these pistols?
The more I learn and shoot, the more I see 9mm as a small pistol round. Barrells 4 inches and up, Im all about .40 S&W for an auto loader.
Both rounds did what they were supposed to, so both are fine carry rounds.
Good ammo.