Loved getting to watch my brother play! We live 12 hours apart, so while I get to see his models once he's painted them I've never actually seen them in action. This was fun to watch!
Great battle report, love to see chaos on the board. One thing to note when using the chosen or Varanguard ability to fight twice, you have to declare this before fighting and cannot pick after the unit has fought. Something that I was told at a tournament and want to pass on 😅
Thanks for noting this! I "discovered" it about a week after this game, definitely makes the ability less steam-rolly (although you almost always want to use it at first opportunity anyway).
Rule 1.5 faction terrain: does not stop units from moving or charging away. Units CAN charge and end within .5 of an inch. Nowhere does it say it counts as a unit during the charge phase.
Hi! I'm the StD player in the video. Hope you enjoyed the battle! Looking at the charge phase rules, you must choose a unit that "is not in combat," and the Combat Range rules state that a unit is in combat "if any enemy models [not units] is within" combat range. Faction terrain models are enemy models, thus Archaon was "in combat" with the summoned trees - whether or not they are units. It's a badly written interaction, to be sure, but - as currently written - you cannot pick a unit to charge if it is "in combat," which does not require an enemy unit. (Bizarre, but true!)
@@TorJakobsenagain, "units" is not the key word we're looking for. It's "model." The issue is whether the unit that wants to charge is already in combat; a unit is in combat if it is within 3" of an enemy *model.* Check rule 7.0: Combat Range.
I hear what you're saying - thats from the FAQ. But the definition of "in combat" only requires your unit to be within 3' of an enemy MODEL. If the rule said "Within 3' of a model in an enemy unit" it would change this, but read as written a unit is in combat based on proximity to models - not units.
100%. Or if she came back when she had the chance. I got super lucky with the SoK and @skared got super unlucky with the rebirth roll, those both shaped the outcome quite strongly.
YEAH ARCHAEON! I love a good God fight. I feel like Luka sandbags a tonne by not bringing a god tier model when he's facing a god tier model. Great game.
Yes he does! But the treelord has an ability that gives him -1 to wound rolls, and the base to wound for SoK is 3+. Once both effects apply, he's back to 3+.
You can start the game with her surrounded by 3 which would serve as a return point for her strike and fade allowing you to heal off endless growth end of turn and lifebloom in the hero phase. She can be very hard to kill if used properly.
It's def a badly written interaction. I'm pretty confident that we did it right, though - a unit in combat cannot charge, and a unit is in combat if it is within 3" of an enemy model (not unit). I expect a faq on this soon tbh.
@@michaelberg1207 almost correct, but you forgot something important. They are only in combat in the *combat* phase. So no, you did not do it correctly. The only reason you can charge them is because of an addendum that says you can end within .5" of them when charging, like a unit, they don't count as a unit for any other purpose in the charge phase, really. Except for hitting them with things like impact mortals. Terrain and static manifestations only count for combat ranges in the combat phase, charge phase is not combat phase, to answer in short fashion. This was one of the *first* things FAQ'd because of how busted summoning things like shackles to prevent charges was.
@@KodyackCasualahh! Ok. I think that FAQ came out after this game was recorded (FAQ on 8/21, game was 8/7 or so). But yeah that makes so much more sense - glad they FAQ'd it.
@@KodyackCasual Actually, no: charge phase still says you have to pick a friendly unit that "is not in combat." The definition of in combat does not mention "units." See 7.0 combat range: "If any enemy models (NOT units) are within a unit's combat range and visible to it, that unit is in combat." So the definition of "in combat" for purposes of charge eligibility is ONLY whether you are within 3" of an enemy model. The FAQ changed it so that faction terrain counts as a unit during the combat phase, but that's irrelevant here. They need to change combat range to "if any models in an event unit" rather than "if any enemy models." That fixes it for charge phase purposes. Lmk if there's something I'm missing in the rules, please, I want to get this right (and very much want them to fix this, as it is dumb).
Happy to see AOS, but i'm pretty meh on the "god" models. When might we see more Drop universe content? Any chance we'll see Drop fleet with the new edition?
Loved getting to watch my brother play! We live 12 hours apart, so while I get to see his models once he's painted them I've never actually seen them in action. This was fun to watch!
Lets go StD
And thanks for doing AoS, guys
Great battle report, love to see chaos on the board. One thing to note when using the chosen or Varanguard ability to fight twice, you have to declare this before fighting and cannot pick after the unit has fought. Something that I was told at a tournament and want to pass on 😅
Thanks for noting this! I "discovered" it about a week after this game, definitely makes the ability less steam-rolly (although you almost always want to use it at first opportunity anyway).
No worries! Hope I didn’t come across as a rules snob or anything! Love the videos, and this was a great game!
@@tobyfarrow7081not at all, that's super important! And thanks, it was a blast. @Skared is a wonderful opponent!
Thanks!
thanks for the super chat!
Love StDs and Slaves to Darkness too
Rule 1.5 faction terrain: does not stop units from moving or charging away. Units CAN charge and end within .5 of an inch. Nowhere does it say it counts as a unit during the charge phase.
Hi! I'm the StD player in the video. Hope you enjoyed the battle!
Looking at the charge phase rules, you must choose a unit that "is not in combat," and the Combat Range rules state that a unit is in combat "if any enemy models [not units] is within" combat range. Faction terrain models are enemy models, thus Archaon was "in combat" with the summoned trees - whether or not they are units.
It's a badly written interaction, to be sure, but - as currently written - you cannot pick a unit to charge if it is "in combat," which does not require an enemy unit. (Bizarre, but true!)
@@michaelberg1207 untrue. They only count as units in charge phase.
@@TorJakobsenagain, "units" is not the key word we're looking for. It's "model." The issue is whether the unit that wants to charge is already in combat; a unit is in combat if it is within 3" of an enemy *model.*
Check rule 7.0: Combat Range.
@michaelberg1207 but they are not in combat in charge phase since wild wood is not an unit until combat phase.
I hear what you're saying - thats from the FAQ.
But the definition of "in combat" only requires your unit to be within 3' of an enemy MODEL. If the rule said "Within 3' of a model in an enemy unit" it would change this, but read as written a unit is in combat based on proximity to models - not units.
We need more elves mounted in giant insects.
Beautiful Armies ---
Thank you! 😍
Wish he would have rolled eye of the gods for every unit he took out.
I honestly kicked myself for forgetting that. First game of the edition jitters? FFS.
Cool battle rep. Im not sure exactly how much would have changed, but if Alarielle had taken down Archaon, it could have been quite different
100%. Or if she came back when she had the chance. I got super lucky with the SoK and @skared got super unlucky with the rebirth roll, those both shaped the outcome quite strongly.
@@michaelberg1207 they did indeed!
Hi, thx for the report. Where can I buy that playmat?? Thx a lot😊
YEAH ARCHAEON! I love a good God fight. I feel like Luka sandbags a tonne by not bringing a god tier model when he's facing a god tier model.
Great game.
Nice!
Archaon is undivided so he has +1 to wound against the treelord
Yes he does! But the treelord has an ability that gives him -1 to wound rolls, and the base to wound for SoK is 3+. Once both effects apply, he's back to 3+.
I need more sylvaneth battreps , MORE I SAY!!
Do sylvaneth still get their season of war? Looked everywhere but couldn't find the rules. Any help would be appreciated
Where did you get your game mat from?
Alarielle has a 6.3” base so she can never be wholly within 6” of a wyldwood
You can start the game with her surrounded by 3 which would serve as a return point for her strike and fade allowing you to heal off endless growth end of turn and lifebloom in the hero phase. She can be very hard to kill if used properly.
Well she can be on the base . Lol . At least they changed that in the faq where the aura of the forest increases with extra segments
You can have her step on the roots as the root parts arent considered as unstable terrain
I'm like 90% sure faction terrain doesn't prevent charges. And even if it does it should have been ignored.
It's def a badly written interaction. I'm pretty confident that we did it right, though - a unit in combat cannot charge, and a unit is in combat if it is within 3" of an enemy model (not unit). I expect a faq on this soon tbh.
@@michaelberg1207 almost correct, but you forgot something important. They are only in combat in the *combat* phase. So no, you did not do it correctly. The only reason you can charge them is because of an addendum that says you can end within .5" of them when charging, like a unit, they don't count as a unit for any other purpose in the charge phase, really. Except for hitting them with things like impact mortals.
Terrain and static manifestations only count for combat ranges in the combat phase, charge phase is not combat phase, to answer in short fashion. This was one of the *first* things FAQ'd because of how busted summoning things like shackles to prevent charges was.
@@KodyackCasualahh! Ok. I think that FAQ came out after this game was recorded (FAQ on 8/21, game was 8/7 or so). But yeah that makes so much more sense - glad they FAQ'd it.
@@KodyackCasual Actually, no: charge phase still says you have to pick a friendly unit that "is not in combat."
The definition of in combat does not mention "units." See 7.0 combat range: "If any enemy models (NOT units) are within a unit's combat range and visible to it, that unit is in combat."
So the definition of "in combat" for purposes of charge eligibility is ONLY whether you are within 3" of an enemy model. The FAQ changed it so that faction terrain counts as a unit during the combat phase, but that's irrelevant here.
They need to change combat range to "if any models in an event unit" rather than "if any enemy models." That fixes it for charge phase purposes.
Lmk if there's something I'm missing in the rules, please, I want to get this right (and very much want them to fix this, as it is dumb).
Sad how trees go down so easily :(
Kudos to your guest for calling em “Wood Elves”! If we all ignore GW’s (copyright-protected) nonsense names, maybe they’ll go away! 😂
Lol thanks. I ain't got time for all this "orruk" and "lumineth" nonsense. 😂
Alk out attack and defend on the bows. Archeon wouldve saved on 2+ because no rend on bows in melee.
Rubbing dice should be illegal. Oh my god...
Maybe you actually need MORE characters instead of less
Titanic battle right here, let's go!!!!
Hello!
@@SkaredCast great job with the Sylvaneth, it's a shame Archaon is such a powerhouse. I'm excited to see you play Slaanesh again :)
Wait! does Slayer of Kings actually kill unique heroes now??! 😦
Anything with the Hero keyword!
Happy to see AOS, but i'm pretty meh on the "god" models. When might we see more Drop universe content? Any chance we'll see Drop fleet with the new edition?
Hello 🙋♂️
Thanks for watching !