Damian Lillard and JJ Redick Have An Honest Conversation About Measuring NBA Success Without A Ring
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2024
- In this clip, JJ Redick and Damian Lillard (The Portland Trail Blazers) talk more about ring culture defining a successful NBA career without an NBA Championship.
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still waiting for JJ to have a dishonest conversation on the pod
Ben simmons? Not dishonet Maybe but didnt seem to go as far as he would havé liked
@@edgarmoran5203 did you really like your own comment?
& why did ben of all people catch your mind? ben literally spoke his peace
Hahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂
He cant, cos he needs players to b on his podcast...ffs he never pushback to nothing.
Ben Simmons. Just hours of coddling
Dame has done everything in his power to put his team in the running for a championship. It’s on the rest of his teammates and coaches to make the final push. It’s a team sport, you can’t do it alone. So in terms of a personal career, Lillard has had more than a successful run.
The issue is in the first sentence. You said “his team”. The actual owners and management of Trailblazers have done Dame a disservice of not providing him the help needed to win. Dame isn’t a child, he knew this and decided to sign extensions. He’s also at fault.
@@jeffhardy6333 true but you cant blame someone for wanting to win a ring the way they believe it should be won. also, with giannis going through similar struggles and getting his title, that prolly made Dame more hungry since he saw that i can be done.
@@itsyoboyachilles6890 but the thing is, how long has Dame been a SUPERSTAR. Not good player or all star, but superstar. IMO he’s been that since 2016 or 7. In 6 years he can’t see that Portland is a sinking ship? Come on now
@@jeffhardy6333 you know damn well the media will make a negative report if he ever wins a chip by going to another team
@@ninjedi6710 the media is always negative
Dame knows he has the big respect of pretty much all the fans, and if he wins a championship in Portland, he will be a legend forever.
No he doesn’t stop making up statistics
@@jimbojimbo6873it’s not a stat you silly clown it’s an observation. Most fans of most teams respect dames game respect how he’s grounded respect how he doesn’t wanna switch to get it he wants it in his spot. I don’t know anyone who got a problem with dame
@@gregordrizzlewing7339This man said "stop making up statistics" 🤣
Either he's a little challenged or he answered the wrong comment.
Man already a Legend
So that's how he's so disciplined and stoic. He had a good support system during school that kept him in check and well taught by good parents.
Dame is what you call a true proffessional
This is what healthy and sane looks like.
This is what a Good Dad looks like.
Completely invisible except for the light that shines through his son.
@@Peakfreud well said damn
i really wish jimmy butler & dame lilard team-up they would fit perfectly with each other
Nope jimmy has to stay loyal wherever he at. Dame gotta eat his words
@@jojo777304 WTF is that supposed to mean? Lillard won’t join a “super team” so now other stars can’t go to Portland? 🤷♂️
Dame in the Bucks would be deadly
@@gregbors8364 if we all following his stupid logic, then yeah. Nobody should be running away from the grind
I was just saying this. Dame and Jimmy would play off of each other crazy 💯
love this dude. he has everything this world needs right now. loyalty, respect, grounded personality while everyone's chasing fame money and fortune. MAD respect for you Dame!
Parents man, parents. God bless him. Totally cool, starts at home.
For sure, even if he doesn’t get that ring, there is no doubt that he’ll go down in the hof which is like the second biggest thing you could earn in the nba.
I’m very proud of Lillard. Loyalty comes with a cost. It is the organization’s responsibility to surround him with a team to win. If he doesn’t win we know he personally gave it his all. When he retires, the fans and the city of Portland will be very proud of him and love him and hold him to high regards cause he stayed with them through thick and thin.
If he wins them a chip he’ll become a legend, get a statue etc etc. But they will hold him in high regard for sure whether he wins or not
Not a cost to his pocket tho. He getting supermax after supermax if he stays
@@MrE_ I was obviously referring to winning. If you don’t win you won’t be regarded as one of the best ever, if you don’t win you can’t have a better legacy, better resume. That’s what I mean with cost. Of course his pockets will still remain full.
This is the point… I’d rather have no rings, but a city that sees me as a legend (eg Dame)… than have a bunch of rings and nobody likes me, NBA commentators talk about how good I was but that my championships don’t count because I was on super-teams (eg KD)… it’s just not worth it to go moving around chasing rings. I’d rather have the respect and love of the people in my city.
Regardless of a chip Dames getting a statue in Portland, all time great
@@Seagodd most probably, yeah. I was just giving an example
As a former college and brief overseas hooper that was mainly a a catch and shoot guy, I can tell you JJ reddick was one of the guys my friends and I all looked up to.
You had an amazing career at duke and in the NBA and are one of the best shooters in NBA history. 👏🏽💯
well said.
Jordan hill was probably giving you WORK lol
we didnt ask bro
@@scandelez 💀💀 bruhhhh
As a jr high and brief men’s league mvp that dominated the 5’5” and under league. I can tell you I couldn’t relate to reddick at all. I was carving the defense and posterizing the bigs on the 8’ rim, something JJ could only dream of.
With that said he had a great career
The issue with the NBA and most American sports is that there’s one trophy. If you look at football (soccer), there’s multiple competitions which are all difficult to win in different ways. If your team doesn’t win the Champions League (European trophy), they can still win their domestic trophy and that season will still be a success. It’s much more enjoyable for fans and players that way. That’s the real issue
great point
nah the problem is the draft, and nowdays everyone a superstar without proving anything
Completely agree. Wish the regular season was more like la liga or Epl. Don’t know how you’d do it, but that adjustment would fix load management and make regular season games matter more.
Yeah it would be nice if the NBA had something but not the mid-season tournament the NBA been pushing. That wouldn't seem meaningful
IDK about in-season tournaments and participation trophies but if the NBA was serious about improving the product then they’d cut the season schedule by at least 20 games. It would make regular season games more meaningful and allow players to be more rested, with less chance of injuries.
Anybody who gets drafted and gets to play sports for a living is a great career
Exactly.
If everyone wants a Ring, we can just mass produce them and give one to everybody.
I agree but a great career and a great nba career are two different things.
@@jeffhardy6333 only for those who have the privilege to be choosy. I love my job and Im happy with what i make. But If I have the chance to be the next ben simmons, id take it immediately.
@@jeffhardy6333 Hall of Fame = great NBA career. Dame already has that locked up.
You could have saved JJ all that therapy money.
If I’m Portland’s front office watching this, I would be ashamed of myself. All these other teams have put elite co-stars and talent around their guys, and Dame has never gotten that same level of support.
They need to draft and coach better, small market team draft talents, seldom successfully trade for star
Props to Dame not being so swayed by people telling him to leave. He plays the way he wants to, and I respect that highly.
Raw is the only way to title this conversation because it applies to so much more then basketball. I’ve been having doubts and questions about whether I’ve been successful in the endeavours I’ve pursued so far, mainly because I wonder whether what I have now should’ve been more. But the way you guys define success gave me such a moment of clarity. Thank you Dame for the wisdom, and JJ for bringing it out.
Well put 🫶🏻
Mad respect to Lillard !
I can only dream about how good he could be with Jokic on the floor, that would some very nice magic duo.
For Lillard, it really comes down to three scenarios _(besides the obvious best case of winning a ring in Portland):_
b) ending his career in Portland without a ring;
c) winning a ring with another team
d) ending his career with another team without a ring
I'm guessing that, for Lillard, leaving Portland but not getting a ring anyway would feel awful, and that, even if he won a ring elsewhere, he would still have some regrets about not sticking it out in Portland.
This whole discussion reminds me of all the teams I've watched that came up short of winning it all. Each time there is a disappointment because you want to feel that exhilaration, you want the players you identify with to achieve the peak of the sport they've spent their entire lives playing. But then I feel gratitude. Sports are there for our entertainment and how lucky am I that I get to watch great athletes on great teams that bring you joy and entertain the hell out of you.
So, yes, championships matter. I've been lucky enough to have the experience of watching my teams win it all, too, and I remember how that feels. It's awesome. But there are special seasons and special athletes that will always mean something deeper because they represented something bigger, even if they didn't win it all. Portland is lucky to have a guy like that in Dame. If he wins a chip in Portland, it will be fully deserved, but that guy is already and will forever be a champion in the hearts of the people who spent their hard earned dollars to watch him give them a show night after night.
Lots of shitty players have won championships but will never be held in the same regard as great players who never won it all, but gave their city hope and pride while they played.
Hey JJ love these conversations and i would love to hear your take on "the Duncan discount". Age 35 Duncan takes a 50% paycut giving the Spurs more financial flexibility and resulting in one more ring in 2014. This to me is the ultimate sacrifice to increase chances of winning. James Harden is the only example i can think of right now of someone who has done this recently. There are a lot of older players who have chosen differently
No one ever ask the owners to take a discount.
I'm not giving up millions to save money for a billionaire just to get something that even the ball boys get.......a ring
Dirk Nowitski did it
@@02nupe Ownership paying the luxury tax is kind of similar. They're knowingly paying extra to give the team the best shot at a title.
I could be off but i feel like steph also took a reasonable deal to keep the gstate core together during their runs
JJ you had an awesome career. I love the way you played and you were one of my favorite players. I still put you on my teams in 2k...
The journey is more important than the goal ultimately, and Dame understands that success isn’t automatically linked to winning a ring. More power to him.
Plus there are Hall of Fame players who haven’t won a ring and they are still classed as great!
To me a successful career is usually dependent on how you enter the league. If you’re a top 10 draft pick your career is usually judged by expectations and if you met them,exceeded them,or didn’t meet them. If you’re drafted outside the lottery,a Second round pick,or don’t get drafted your career is judged on how long you last in the league.
The Silent Assassin is what I call Dame. This dude is built different.
I think it started being sensationalized in nba media when LeBron started to chase rings because of they keep comparing him to MJ. And the no.1 arguments are the rings. Plus when Shaq became a part of the Inside the NBA, the most popular NBA related show IMO, where everytime he can't win an argument he keep sticking it to Chuck that he ain't got none.
Yup they forced bron out of Cleveland with all this ring talk
Great point
My man showed up in practice gear. Love it.
All the talking heads are picking this up talking like Dame is saying he doesn’t care about a chip. Smh
IKR, like how many rings does Stephen A have?
He clearly doesn’t care if he wins a ring or not
@@sirhoopalot1125 That’s BS. Some people aren’t listening to what he says, some hear the words but don’t understand.
@@gregbors8364 I watched a podcast of him on Mdwog, he got the bag he could care less if he wins, he’s taking care of his family, he doesn’t care bro.
@@sirhoopalot1125 There are players in the league who don’t care about playoff success but Dame isn’t one of them. He said in an interview in his rookie season that his goals were Rookie of the Year (done), MVP, and winning a championship.
My goodness I would really love to see him win a ring man. And it’s amazing to hear abouts his parents, great parents transcend any timeline
From a fan perspective, there are ample ways a player can have a 'successful career' without a ring.
-Play long and well enough to have their number retired.
-be a hall of famer.
- make a teams hall of fame
- win regular season award.
And more depending on a guys talent level.
Rings are relevant if we're comparing great players against each other. That said, there are plenty of tangible things players and fans can point to to say a guy is successful without going 'yeah, but...' on the internet.
I always go back to that John wooden quote about success: “peace of mind attained only through self-satisfaction in knowing you made the effort to do the best of which you’re capable.”
All love JJ
Dame has respect at a level that bandwagoners and hype ppl will never give/get
" Not going " is a real thing in our community gotta love it
Dame is ruthlessly honest and original. Mad respect
Dame is a real one, super intelligent and well spoken guy.
Dame is one of those players who would be a star in any decade. He has that old school winning mindset. He's about building a championship culture from the ground up and doesn't fancy himself with the prospects of an artificial superteam.
That’s cap, this man will never turn down the opportunity to get a superstar. He’s salty he’s getting old and nobody wants to run it with him in Portland.
@@jojo777304 Jerami Grant wants to run it with him in Portland…
@@gregbors8364 Lmfaoo Jermai Grant is the bar now? Expectations at an all time low. Heck maybe if he gets Kuzma he can make it back to WCF?
@@gregbors8364 Jerami Grant probably never make an all star team in his career. The other dude was talking about perennial all stars and superstars.
@@jojo777304 What does “that’s cap” mean, and who’s Jermai Grant? How come “nobody” wants to run it with Giannis? Or Jokic?
Lillard has an honesty you don't find much these days among celebrities.
The Best NBA podcast there is.
One of my favourite NBA players. Lovely guy. And plays in the right way. Wish he was a laker x
At the end JJ looked very uncomfortable when Dame said “they don’t think about you” And he tried to turn it into a joke.. he didn’t mean it as a shot JJ..he was just making a true and needed point about how fickle ppl are… let’s all humble ourselves. Great insight Damian
Wrong video but I noticed that too, he was hurt a little bit 😅
@@elstcman5 oh yea😅
I wish I could have as much peace as Dame does.
There's playing career and retirement career. I think Dame is doing everything right in his playing career to ensure his retirement is solidified with: no regrets, no shortcuts, and staying true to the sport regardless if he's on a team that wins it all. The ring culture can be toxic to players and fans alike and the lines get blurred with quick judgements.
These interviews are showing a great snapshot into the world of basketball. There's so much more to it than just a ring.
He know he already a legend with or without the ring.
I always think it's cool that he went to Weber state in my home state of Utah
Lillard is an ice cold killer on the court and an even better an exceptional person and father. I’m proud to be a blazers fan and more with lillard being our leader
I respect the crud outta Lillard for staying in Portland as a magic fan I wish some of our talent would stay it's amazing that a player chooses loyalty over chasing a ring with a bunch of superstars.
Respect
A successful career is having the support of fans, longevity and of course success. Making in the NBA is hard enough. Titles are the ultimate goal but there can only be one team that wins every year. Just because you haven't won doesn't mean you didn't have a successful career. DAME gives to the community, loved by his fans and his basketballs skills are pretty good. You should see him play ;)
J.J. From a #BBN guy , you are crazy as hell if you think (I know you don’t ) that your career was not a complete success. Sir you are a bucket 🪣! And you like the truth. 💪
I somewhat agree with that quote
come to toronto lillard plss we want you here
Dame is too humble so if retiring without a Ring, He's good. He's been the underdog since a kid, it's not going to change. Plus he has made generational wealth. Best Blazers ever and romodel for lots of kids.
Making it to the NBA is something not to be sneezed at. It's so easy to get caught up in the nonsense of, 'you'll only be considered great if you win a ring'. Considering how many seats are at the table and how many people are trying to get one of those seats from all around the world, the fact you get one, even if it's a 10 day contract, indicates you are truly in that elite category. Winning a championship is obviously a goal but should not be the only goal. You have to learn to enjoy the process, even if that process means you do not win a championship. You have played at a standard that very few have been able to get to. This is a remarkable achievement that gets drowned out by talks of winning a championship.
role model
Dame is literally top 75. He can retire today and be in HOF 100% AND got his jersey retired. If that's not a successful career, I don't know how other tens of thousands of nba players in the history gonna feel.
You know he’s different when he said he went to every class, and showed up on time to boot!
The problem with rings is that it's not an individual accomplishment, it's a team accomplishment.
People have put too much emphasis on rings when you got below Average players like Robert Horry getting HoF recognition.
THANK YOU!!! I’ve been saying this for a long time.
I mean to be fair Robbert Horry hit two game winners to clutch two championship runs out of his 7, so he is definitely a hall of famer in my opinion
@@501jaylee the Hall of Fame is meant for great players. Robert Horry has never been considered a great player.
@@weltonsouder9311 top 5 role players of all time, those lakers teams would have 1 less ring if he didn’t exist
@@501jaylee so then they need to make a Hall of Above Average.
anybody know
what the outro song is?
Being from Montana, I just remember Dame torturing the Grizzlies. He was a force in the league and it's nice to see him be successful at the highest level.
At some point you have to take your destiny into your own hands if the team won’t build around you or live with the consequences. Championships and being put in that top echelon just go hand in hand. As good as Barkley was nobody looks at him like a guy like David Robinson when he was arguably better and it’s all because of the ring. Same way that Dame who is practically as good as Steph if you take full account of their games will never be compared to him when it’s all said and done. Steph will be with Magic, Isaiah and those guys while Dame is with the Gary Paytons.
This is y some players take their careers in their own hands and ask for trades and join other teams to form superteams.. because all gms and owners aren't created equal
till this day TILL THIS DAY
He s a rolemodel
The all-time greats carried a franchise and Mr Lillard will always be Mr Trail Blazers
u forgot about clyde
@@texalinsug7525 I don't forget him Lillard will stand beside him or surpass him
I love Dame's view on how to win the NBA ring. I am not a Dame or Blazers fan. But hope Dame to win multiple NBA rings with Portland Blazers.
Love the sound of Dame's parents.
Lol, what was the "big announcement " you were saying Wednesday
Where is the full interview?
Right here th-cam.com/video/3k7mAwrdcXA/w-d-xo.html or you can go to the actual podcast on whatever app you use for them
@@windhamwood9030 thanks bro
Lillard being traded will also be massive for the Blazers....
Look at how the Celtics built their current roster.
You also have OKC, Utah who are super exciting atm
When he talked about his pops, I automatically thought of tee morant
Bro Dame is different… jj playin in the league and having the same opinions makes this show cool ash
The goat
I still remember that adidas commercials….
dame has the best laugh in the nba
Best Shooting form too.
Sus
Kawhi
And y’all have to think about what he’s saying @ 4:15 man… this is from a dude who sent The Harden Rockets AND the OKC Thunder with Westbrook and PG13 home without another superstar so he’s telling us that wouldn’t be easy even if he went and joined another superstar player which is true. The past 10 years we’ve had some big upsets by super teams man
Just copped a dame jersey. Dude is a real one.
Being on a small market team in time with Warriors team, it was almost impossible to make finals. Even for Houston who had better team than Portland it didnt happen.
Kids are growing up where superteams and stars teaming up is normal. Like thats the NBA they will remember and I think when they see someone as crazy talented as Dame they just can't understand why he won't do the same. It's like you want to see someone so great win it all that it almost becomes toxic lol.
Question: Is Damian Lillard a great? No sugar coating. Here is another way to look at it, if you are a book writer you just want to be noticed and have your book sold out, your intentions aren't set out to be the best writer but what you publish & share with the world to make a impact with your craft, & words that is what matters. So if you love the game okay just play and make a living but when you are obsessed, & you truly love the game championships are what you strive for.
he’s not lying
I’m not mad at him. Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Curry, and Giannis all got to stay put and win. Dame should get that same respect
They all have better owners and GMs than Dame has in Portland.
if Kobe was still around he’d tell you.. all that matter is them rings.. but the new generation of the NBA is starting to find value in individual accolades more so maybe that is all that matter nowadays 🤷🏾♂️ idk i’m in the middle of two eras so ion know no more
Facts. If you can’t lead your team to a championship at least one year out of your career, you can’t be seen as a great. Roll player rings and stats don’t really count.
I love players that stay loyal to team through thick and thin, and show they are consistent. personally I think Dame is one of the BEST players of the last 25 years. top 10 for sure of the last 25 years. he gained my respect by not being a ring chaser.
S/o to Dame pops
Absolutely no one should think less of Dame whatsoever.
How can anyone not respect Dame?
The true highest level of basketball (which even the players haven’t even seen ) isn’t the nba. it is a full tilt serious all star game or series . Best of the best going at it for bragging rights and sizzling action
That whole rings thing basically just comes from media members and fans who wanna have something to talk about because they seem to care more about rings than players I’ve never understood how if a player wins a ring makes a fan happy 😂😂 like it doesn’t affect you
Very important he mentioned his dad
To people telling him he wasted his career.
I don't know but I'd never feel accomplished winning a ring with a better team.
I'd love to win it with what I already have.
I understand injuries are apart of every championship but the bucks had a pretty good route to the championship
Lmao right? Everything that could possibly swing their way, swung their way.
dame.... main thing is, no matter if its fans or players.
when any team sees a matchup vs portland in the last decade, they say: oh, we going up against lillard, better hope he doesnt get hot.... lock him up early!
before you were at portland, i think the only player that was that special for the blazers was clyde!
dont matter if you got rings, im a curry fan in and out, only player i can truly compare him with is you.
Elgin Baylor: zero rings. Charles Barkley: zero rings. Both legends, both in the Hall. Ditto for Lilliard five years after he stops playing.
I have not heard anybody say Damian Lillard career isn’t successful because he hasn’t won an championship. He has multiple all star selections, All NBA Team selections. Made the 75th Anniversary Team. And will be elected into the Basketball Hall of Fame when he retires.
It’s just the fact that a lot us know Dame wants to win an championship. But we don’t believe Portland’s owner and front office personnels will ever put the right players around Dame so that he can compete for an championship there in Portland.
But if Dame wants to stay in Portland, we as NBA fans will have to respect his decision to stay in Portland though.
JJ what up
No way Lillard did the Kawhi laugh at 0:18
Dame was doing all that CAPPIN 😂
The argument I have not yet heard, and maybe due to fear it would inevitably come off as disrespectful to some players, is why a ring measures success at the individual level when it's a TEAM accomplishment. Dame brings up context -- as in how you win the ring matters. But I just don't understand why the thing that everyone on a championship team wins, from the stars to the bench warmers, somehow signifies "success" for the stars on the team and at the same time non-success/failure for stars on all other teams.
Exactly!! Who here is calling Robert Horry one of the greats? Who even remembers Robert Horry?
Good on his parents for keeping him grounded
Can we just make it a standard you can “ring chase” if you did it the right way for 3 contracts. At 32+ you should be able to team up with another guy to put together a fair and legit contender. What kd and LeBron did is what ruined it. People talk about the 08 Celtics but those guys put their heart into their cities and we all wanted to see them compete at the highest level. None of them were at the level of kd or LeBron even at their best so it just felt right that they could put together 3 or 4 years of their remaining prime to go for a ring.