Why The D-4 is My Favorite Klingon Ship!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- This week i explain my new-found love of the Tragic Klingon D4 cruiser that never was. created by John Eaves for Star Trek Enterprise, it would have been the first Klingon ship seen on the show. but alas this was not to be. I delve into the design of this ship and its Tragic story. Whilst also looking at its place in the Klingon Fleet of the 22nd century.
Justice for mah boy!
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One of the things I love about the design is that it is kind of hunched over. The neck slopes downwarads slightly like a hawk looking for prey. It's like it is leaning into its torpedo launcher. An elegant yet aggressive pose that combines with the unrefined look of its support struts and rigging that makes it a true savage beauty of a ship
Yeah it's a small detail but it makes all the difference.
The D-4 concept succeeds at its most basic function: The make the eventual D-7 look even better. I do love the Eaglemoss miniature too. The D-4 is probably my favorite Klingon ship.
Glad you agree
Shoutout to the Klingon scientists and engineers who, by designing this ship, handed half of the quadrant to the Empire on a silver plate and all they got in return was scorn and contempt
Klingon scientists get no respect.
I think during this time period the Klingons had slave races, too. Just something to chew on
Truth on the windows, with one exception used to great effect in the D'deridex where the dozens of rows of windows really showed off how massive it was. I remember the first time I saw it thinking the front "beak" section looked like a skyscraper in space. It showed off perfectly how huge it was. And no surprise, as Navarch Tomalak said, Romulans "enjoy the finer things" on their ships, so they would all want a room with a view😃
Yes I was thinking about the d'deridex windows because they are so key to its look. It wouldn't be the same without them.
I feel like it would be kind of shameful if you were on a d’deridex and weren’t given a room with a window
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Klingon D'4 Battle Cruiser indeed, And I myself also own 2 of these from Eaglemoss and I also have a 1:2500 scale resin model kit of the D4 as well and I find it to be a very nicely looking Klingon ship design indeed👌.
The D-4 is a perfect example of a predecessor done right, its perfect design for the enterprise era is bought low by its truly tragic development and behind the scenes life.
The very limited armament makes it a glass cannon and very inflexible in sole operations but a solid artillery line in fleet actions. The lack of solid weapons coverage makes it very vulnerable to smaller attack craft, the anolians (however you spell them) small patrol craft and shuttles would be virtually untouchable by the weapon mounts of the D4. I would suspect that the Klingons would never send them out on solo missions for the risk of being overwhelmed by smaller targets; in mass effect, the destiny ascension had a similarly limited weapons loadout and was overwhelmed by geth attack ships, the D4 would suffer from the exact same problem. The D4 we see in the episode not only looks out of place for its troubled history but also because its extremely vulnerable on its own and basically asking for someone to go and lob a few shots its way.
I think the D-4 is a fine-looking ship. It fits both the time period and the Klingon design style. It would have been nice to see more of it in ENT. And speaking of, yeah that producer has a few marbles missing if the issue what that the D-4 had too few windows of all things.
Yeah at the very least it gave John eaves practice with creating the klingon aesthetic for enterprise.
From what I can understand, you said "It would have been nice to see more" but I don't think it was EVER seen on-screen. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know?
@@richjordan6461 ; More than 0 is still more.
Growing up with TNG, I thought the D7 looked really lame when I first saw them.
But they really grow on you the more often you see them. It is a really great design. This one also looks nice.
In the mod “Ages of the Federation” for “sins of the solar Empire” the D4 and many other Archer-TOS era ships are in the game. So if you want some D4 action thats the game for you.
Star Trek Online and the Koro'T'Inga hull variant is also a good choice for gameplay.
I really love this video, you really made me like this ship more than I already did. and the function of it in tandem with the D5 is a great way of putting it in context
Another great video! Also a ship that grew on me. Wish we could’ve seen her on screen as she was meant to be!
I think the real objection was: "not enough windows _with net curtains..._ ". I was pretty shocked by this oversight myself...😆
The Klingon D-4 looks really amazing I've got a model of it nxt 2 the models of the D-7 & the K'Tinga I wish they had used this amazing looking Battlecrusier
Ever since I saw the unused design on a newsstand with the eaglemoss magazine I've loved it
Excellent and the torpedo lore matches last week's strange new world's torpedo dropping scene.
Happy coincidence.
I would love a look into the 3 iterations of the constitution class lineage. Before Discovery came about there were 3 main generations: the first is block 1( TOS Enterprise), Block 2 is the phase 2 ( called Jeffrey's in Star Trek Online), and the block 3 which is the TMP refit type.
Interesting idea. I like the phase 2 concept. Perhaps that was a refit during the 2260s before the TMP refit.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 that's what it is in canon. It's just the Enterprise skipped the block 2 refit and went to the TMP refit. Yorktown went through all three generations though ( for good and bad).
The D-4 is a really good design. Also, not only inspired the D-6 of Axanar. There was other D-6 inspired by the D-4 and D-5 designs, for other fan film that don't ended well.
What was the other fan film called?
Every bully looks mean.
Until they get hit in the jaw! Great video
It is a decent ship that says intimidation.
The d7s smaller older sibling but did its job
I'd love to see some Starfleet Axanar ships covered. :D
ive always been a fan of this ship , to me it adds to the klingon battlecruiser design linage , some times these producers of these shows dont look at the overall picture of IP there doing a show for to them , " just throw this in " seems to be the method of choice
For a warrior race you'd expect their ships to be inherently hard hitting and able to take a lot of punishment
Regarding the Disco D7 feeling 'safer', can you really blame them? When they tried to get 'creative' with Klingon design we got a bunch of weird bio-ships that var from slightly to wildly resembling artisan marital aids.
True. And I don't hold it against the DISCO D7. But the D4 is still better.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I hold all of STD against STD and for that matter all what Kurtzaman "produced" after. I would have thrown bleach into my eyes after those two first episodes if i wasn't sure it would scar me forever :).
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I like both ships. I'm glad when DS-9 was having the Dominion war they included a form of D-7 type ships. My kids love and think they are the coolest class ships in Star Trek. Like the Romulon D'Deridex class war bird, they look total bad ass.
@gusty9053 I have to say it wasn't about "safer" it was more about the clout people have kurtman never cared about trek was about to make any show he wanted in the past that wasn't the case I doubt it would have mattered much it was likely what was easy a lot of ships got reused back then you will seen almost nothing but
D'deridex warbirds from tng to voyager for example with rare episodes of maybe one other ship or a shuttle craft. Enterprise was little the one that broke that mold with "oh me need to make new ships now" but it wasnt exactly easy either at the time i feel cgi was still newer. Fast forward to std and cgi is used in everyday kinda stuff even for fan fiction with more ease.
Lightwave 3D was used for Voyager starting with The Year of hell and continued to the end of Enterprise.
Hmm but the re-used models in enterprise like the kriosian cruiser or flea ship look better than they did in voyager.
i hope for the day when Cryptic release a updated version of the D4, such a good looking craft, and that D7 in Enterprise realy rubbed me the wrong way indeed... was basically watching the Voyager and Enterprise side by side when i got the DVDs for them, and watching the D7 in Voyager was fine, but watching the same model in Enterprise sortly after... was just a huge no, i was realy expecting a D4-5 in the Enterprise and we got a 150 years newer D7?!
There is a skin In STO but no real model. I would like to see more of those enterprise ships in game.
The Klingons ships are super interesting to see the way a culture of warriors wished to wage war!
Picking a favorite klingon ship is like picking your favorite child...i cant lol i love the Bird of prey though
She is a lovely battle cruiser
I don't know what what was going on with the behind the scenes production of ENTERPRISE. With some irony, the show and its era is among my favorites, but they really had some serious issues starting out the gate. Clearly there was some attitude going on between the groups. In so many ways, the era was presented as more advanced, more populated with various aliens than it should have been given the early nature. The Klingons shouldn't have been 'right around the corner' it seemed, and so on. The NX being a recycled design of the Akira Class, but a straight up reuse of a K'tinga was nothing short of insulting. And they had an appropriate design all along...
While I wouldn't call the Klingons 'underdogs', as in my view, they'd clearly become the dominant empire of the local galactic neighborhood. But what with the primitive warrior society uplifted with advanced tach trope, they made sense in the show. Smaller ships make sense for that, Klingons are going to be 'longship' people, not cargo deliverers with bulky ships or even necessarily of big, bulky battlewagons. Tight quarters serving double duty, sometimes being dirty and complete with pets and livestock wouldn't surprise me. The Orions being their long time competitors and victims makes sense, the Klingons sometimes being the underdogs in dealing with the Orions before the 22nd Century, I'm sure.
I sort of have more respect for the Orions in that they are primarily decadent traders, yet they had to contend with the Klingon Empire; they'd sort of HAVE to be tough! Doubtlessly, they were the local dominant power for a long time that the Klingons struggled to best and test themselves against. Anyway, it makes sense that Klingon ship designs would be small and nimble. The D-4 looks both aggressive but also primitive. It fits the era, and has provided some inspiration for early Klingon ship designs.
The Insurrection Class Destroyer is my favorite Klingon ship. Basically a plus sized BoP.
If you like the D-4, Look up "The Final Reflection", by John Ford. Most of the action uses the D-4.
great video. all klingon designs pre std are badass.
Considering how far CGI has come and is now more effective since early Trek series productions, why not just focus on ship model/class "refits" rather than try and come up with some new ship from scratch?
Specifically cgi should be used to generate ship details that suggest the ship has been updated. Like what was done with the Enterprise D.
I would love to see the older models still being utilized but refreshed and offering some details not normally seen on the older and more common ships.
STO is really getting "flooded" with new designs.
By the way your continuing to deliver great content and well thoughtful. Cheers
I knew it was a dumb reason they didn't use the actual model but dang.
Sweet love these older Klingon warships.
"4:06.Looks pretty good to me1"
Considering Klingons were soviet stand ins using soviet designs make sense
Would you consider creating a story of the first Klingon ships to have interstellar capabilities and also the same with Cardassian ships.
Okuda's Star Fleet Museum
Covered that a little in 'wings of kahless'
we want a full simp video for this bad boy a certain drunken romulan Agent falling in love with a d4
i like the ENT/Axanar Kliingon ships. the D-6 espeically i like becasue to me it looks like a D-7 that can actually take a hit.
Cheers
"Not enough windows?" IT'S A SPACESHIP!!! It doesn't need that many windows!!! And it's an *alien* warship! 🙄😡
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Least it can be played as a skin in STO. The legendary D7 cruiser can use the D4 skin there.
Yeah that's how we got those screenshots
D-7 K'Tinga takes it for me, an attack ship just right for the Klingons; D-4 is worthy.
I like 👍 the D4.
"6 IMPULSE DRIVES! WTF???"
Did this video start as a typo for a D-7 (on the keypad)...?
just got this in sto for my klingon jem'hadar character just waiting to unlock k13 tier 2 for the ship weapons
btw dont get nomad in k13 hes a passavist and makes better target practice for the terrains
Sounds a bit like a soviet missile boat ("Oka" i think)🤔
Couldnt they just add windows later like in post product at least? I think it was a time thing they already had somthing else ready, and the team didn't wanna use time and resources to use a new ship. Im surr the reeason were a bit more involved.
Have to wonder if that producer was the cause of some of the downright baffling decisions on Enterprise. I mean it's a minor thing to be braindead about, but the show at quite a few moments that really made you go "huh?".
I thought the D'Drex class was more of a Glass Cannon
picard. 'a few shots and we are ashes....'
In 20 years when there is a remaster of enterprise maybe then it can be fixed
Yeah, a dedicated war ship doesn't need that many windows, which are all structural weaknesses.
But it also doesn't need such a thin, long neck, which also is an entirely unnecessary structural weakness without sensible function. And the very fact that it apparently needs additional struts and braces to stabilize it proves that it is just too flimsy on its own structurally. One solid hit there and the whole ship is disabled. Simply bad design. A shorter but more solid neck would be more beneficial in every aspect but aesthetics.
It would make sense of the D4 was being used as a stepping stone for the development of the D7. The testing and proving of design concepts much like the ambassador class was to the galaxy., The hull bracing was probably added to iron out the kinks for the next ship design allowing them to push the ship far past its original limits.
Hmm, its too bad that the Klingons began to lose creativity when it came to its ship and weapon designs. This ship could be even deadlier if they updated its torpedo capabilities: Imagine a D4 variant that had a long range, super heavy torpedo combined with a battery of short ranged torpedos in the wings. It could stand off sniping targets then move in and alpha strike an enemy ship. It would run out of ammo fast but it would have a high kill rate.
Because a race that prides itself on building for combat would want a structural weakness windows? It feels like whoever turned down this design had no clue about Klingons... Come to think of it, I don't think we've ever seen a window on ANY internal set for Klingon ships. While I know there are some on the externals on the K'Tinga, there definitely aren't all that many, two rings on the hat and one on the bulb! Even on the Vor'cha where they actually have a comparable amount of windows to some Starfleet ships, there's a lot of space between them that gives them a more armored feel!
I love that you describe the D7 as having a hat.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Few know the fearsome power of the Giant Starship Sombrero!
@@venomgeekmedia9886 sombrero.
3:21 the same producers wanted to use the AKIRA for the NX-01, unaltered....
Your joking?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 nope. go to Trek Yards and look for the Doug Drexler interviews, especially those of the NX. Doug himself stated the producers wanted the AKIRA, AS IS, unchanged. The producers thought NO ONE would NOTICE, much less CARE.
Ugh, executives......the EGOS.
@@TheCastellan anyone with a low braincell would notice.
So where does the stfc D4 come from 🤔
I wonder if you could retrofit a D4 in the 23rd century? Also I never seen the D6 that much to begin with?
You could but it wouldn't be very good for the time. Like I say the D6 was a strong successor in all respects.
The warbird was always a strange name choice for me .. gush away
Yeah I think they later said that was a straight up continuity error
@@venomgeekmedia9886 i hadn't heard that but it makes sense.
ENT greatest weakness was the producers
You don’t put windows in a Klingon WAR ship!
What is the in-universe explanation for a Ktinga appearing in ENTERPRISE? So bad
ignore it
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I wish they could go back and add in the D-4 to replace the K'Tinga model that shouldn't be there.
Same idiot producers also thought the fans would never notice the entire switcheroo of D-4 to D-7. Thanks for arguing for giving it the honor and glory it deerves. aka Ko' Ro' Tinga in STO
Windows are a structural weakness - the geth dont use that for that reason xd
"Windows.............Clearly an idiot!"
'One of the producers' is code for 'Rick Berman'
Star Trek Enterprise never really got the time and attention it needed to grow into it's own. It kills me because it's such a good premise. Archer and his crew are out there on their own, their ship is not a super-powered Dreadnought, they don't have replicators or holodecks and they have to figure out this space exploration thing by themselves.
Yeah the producers in the first two seasons seemed more concerned with making it the "sexy" Star trek
I don't really like K'tinga, D7, D4 and so cruisers. Because even though the klingons are warmongers they couldn't create a ship without the tactical disadvantage by the long and thin neck.
Cope.
Might be aggressive, but I'll take 'safe and sensible' with a D7. I'd be more of a conservative fighter, or fighting defensively, while taking on baddies.....make it a good day to die for the baddies, not yourself. :D *shrugs*
You'd make a poor klingon then...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 i prefer not to be....shall we say.....disposable.
Love this ship but all the D class pencil necks are a real lame design in a combat perspective…. Largest part of the ship is the weakest points. If they miss in the initial charge, they’re probably beat.
Then the aim is not to miss on your charge. Which is a very klingon approach.
The one that did not like the D4. All because it didn't have enough windows. Just grab them and throw them out a window.
Please don't show any ship Alex Curtis Curtsman has touched thanks.
why where did he touch them?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 he fondled their nacelles and poked their warp cores.
reminds me of that famous scene when riker was stunned that
worf said-----"they're targeting us wit .... lasers !!!
riker------lift a eyebrow "lasers !!? picard-----looks around "lasers wouldn't even be able to penatrate our navigational deflectors dont they know that?" lol super classic 🤣 star trek ships would obliterate anything from star wars lol
Though I disagree with this statement I will nonetheless respect it as your opinion.
Yeah technically star wars weapons are not lasers but plasma cannons. Actually much like a lot of 22nd century ships.
also just because one enemy has a laser technology thats primitive doesnt mean lasers couldnt destroy a starfleet ship. thats like laughing at old medieval cannons and dismiss the entire category despite the more advanced enemy having a railgun. overall same technology but different tech level. Heck the borg cutting beam is a laser and they sliced the muh advanced Enterprise D like a cake
@@laisphinto6372 i hear other people saying that nonsense lol but when the borg started cutting into the enterprise wit it's "laser" beam the shields were already fully depleted by the borg tractor beam and the energy dampening pulse weapon, so yeah of course a powerful laser will cut the hull without shields 😂 or ablative armor :P re-watch the episode my guy,,, a simple laser could never penatrate the shields of a sophisticated star trek ship, they can manipulate shield frequencies, modulations, amplitudes, and probably bunch of other factors im not aware of making star trek shields impenetrable to simple energy weapons, 🤔 but I've always wondered how trek shields would do against a UNFC MAC CANNON from HALO, but the most powerful ones on orbital platforms, i wonder how star trek shields would handle that
@@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457😂 lol and i respect u for respecting my opinions and jokes 😀 i would buy u lunch or a beer or smoke a joint wit u 🤣😅