Ship Chat: New Orleans class
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- Today we look at the fan favorite New Orleans class frigate. Originally intended as a proof of concept for the larger galaxy class. it would go on to see service throughout the 24th century. but was it up to the challenge?
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Cardassian ships: Oh look, it's just one ship! This'll be easy!
New Orleans: *belches out a massive spread of photon torpedoes as a warning shot*
Cardassian ships: Nope.exe
"good thing that worked, we'll be reloading for the rest of the day"
for those days when starfleet realizes that you dont have to send 1000+ people on all missions
To be fair to the Cardassians if you had a ship unloading a full spread of photon torpedoes at you, you'd probably remember someplace else you had to be in a hurry too.
"Guls don't get paid enough to get killed!!!"
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@@weldonwin 🤣🤣🤣
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I really like those 2 torpedo launchers on the top. They remind me of the shoulder mounted guns on characters like predator and warmachine.
True but the third belly launcher is just awkward
Plus if you ever need a highlighter...
That's really cool comparison
"You have been promoted from a mini-Galaxy to... another mini-Galaxy. Congratulations!"
mini Galaxy, medium Galaxy
Keep it up and you'll get promoted to a mega-Galaxy in no time at all... Well... Maybe a century or two. We gotta get the Enterprise to the letter J first.
I posted an interesting fan variations of this on the facebook group.
@@KertaDrake mega galaxy... UNIVERSE-CLASS?
Starfleet should have retrofitted _Highlighter Pen Missile Pods_ on most of their fleet, as a minor refit.
It would rapidly and simply upgrade the firepower of any ship they were attached to.
and helped with studying.
Nothing really highlights a message like liberal application of antimatter!
Give the Akira ten of them.
It doesn't have enough.
@@sagesheahan6732 I’d love to see some Akita refits using the huge hangar pay and replacing it with various weapons, like pulse or phaser lances.
@@sagesheahan6732 *MOAR DAKKA!*
I most definitely would have loved to have seen more New Orleans class vessels during the Dominion War instead of all the Mirandas. I always thought one of unique aspects of the New Orleans classes torpedo pods was despite each of the pods having an limited magazine of around twenty-five apiece which had to be reloaded externally by EVA/Worker Bee, they had a longer accelerator barrel compared to the torpedo launchers of the Miranda/Constellation/Constitution vintage which allowed the torpedo to be fired at a much higher velocity.
Seen more? Did we see *any*? I don't recall any.
Miranda's were destroyer class DD where as this is a fast frigate FF guess that's why we saw more of the DD in the war, probably had a bit more durability. They also probably had more of them in storage and if think about weapons the miranda was as equipped or better equipped the constitution cruisers CC for war fighting..
I think the torpedoes would been hard repair and could break if they took to much damage but i like the layout all over the ship giving it a lot of fire power for its size kinda like the defiant with ablative armor a few tropedeos tubes like that could have upped the firepower of a lot of ships i wonder why it wasnt a thing but the war was long and upgrades would have easily giving ships great range... With speed.
@@henrybleisch9025 the federation suffered what all the worlds militaries suffer in times of prolonged war, they start off with throwing thier best at it but as time goes on they cant replace as fast as they loose. Instead of fielding the latest gen 5 equipment they start fielding gen 3 or 4. The same is true of the federation they must have had a massive quantity of Miranda's in Moth balls having been building them for so long that it made much more sense to use them, especially with how many were upgraded overtime and most likely crew knowledge and adaptability on them. The New Orleans on the other hand although well armed for its class, I don't think it was well suited for fast moving fleet battles like we saw in the war. I couldnt imagine these would be used to defend against the fast attack ships of the dominion and I can't see photon barrages hitting them due to how fast and agile they were. I could only really see them being used in large fleet battles where they would be used for long range torpedo volleys from static positions. I know they were used in the border wars but hitting a cardasion ship was probably lots easier.
I get the sense that not many New Orleans class starships were ever built, while the Miranda was mass-produced.
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The New Orleans is akin to the M3/M5 Stuart. A proof of concept design that is smaller and lighter than later classes. Both also were among the first to enter combat for their respective factions in their respective conflicts. (US in WW2, UFP in Cardy Border War). Both would also get refits that allowed them to last for decades.
great comparison i've recently been using the Stuart in War thunder and at low BR its pretty good at sneaking about the place.
The addition of the 'torpedo pods' allowed what would have been a mediocre frigate sized vessel to 'punch above it's weight'. Thus making the Class far more dangerous to any foes it might encounter.
It is fairly rare that a star ship's beam weapons do more damage than a torpedo, and the Cardasians could 'bolster' their shields by partially tuning them to enable them to better resist beam weapon fire. But a Torpedo's massive strike of chaotic energies no one (except perhaps the Borg) could tune their shields to resist.
The Cardasians could hope to avoid torpedo hits by a normal ship, since it would fire a mere handful of torpedoes in a torpedo spread. But the New Orleans Class's multiple Torpedo Pods allowed it to fire a relative landslide of torpedoes at it's target, making any avoidance patterns nearly useless. Which, upon reflection, explains why Cardassian Vessels would turn and run from such an attack.
Perhaps I am more 'aggressive', But I feel that Star Fleet was rather slow to get around to such a heavily torpedo armed ship design. And if you look at the New Orleans, it's not really designed for the task. Not really. Instead, it has three Torpedo Pods added to it's hull. Giving it a heavier throw weight of torpedoes.
Although successful, and proven to be useful, the ship was not 'designed' for the use it was put to. The New Orleans Class is yet another example of Star Fleet 'retro-fitting' a previous design to enhance it's capability, rather than a full up redesigned vessel.
Just my thoughts,
speaking, Frank-ly
Well. Now you have to do the Challenger, Springfield, YEAGER (Palpatine: "Do it.") and Niagara classes. Please. 🙏🖖
I really like the New Orleans class it's a really beautiful looking Starship & I like the photon torpedoes tubes on ventral & dorsal sections I have a eaglemoss model of this Ship it's a really great looking Starship
The New Orleans/Lafayette class Recon Destroyer in Star Trek Online is a great ship to use, the Hyper Focused Trinary Arrays console can be quite the useful console to have, the ship is fast and when kitted out can be quite brutal. Very fond of it.
I have this ship in star trek online, she's a work horse if you build her up right
She is finally in? Please tell me she is an alt skin for the battle cruiser
Im loving my New Orleans
@@paulrasmussen8953 no she is labeled as a recon destroyer
If anyone plays on xbox hit me up TRASH PANDA82 my fleets always looking for new members
Same with most T6 or some T5 ships
I like the mention of the Intrepid class in there. My person favourite canon ship. Intrepid always struck me as a very good ship that was a bit high-maintenance and expensive.
definitely. i think thats part of why we see so few.
She's also a relativity new class., Probably still in the low-rate initial production phase of the classes production.
Although I like to think the Intrepid's hi-tech, hi-speed may have leaned them towards special operations missions. Long range strikes behind dominion lines to hit strategic targets, that sort of thing.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The Intrepid was a good ship but again it has the same problem as with the Ambassador and Galaxy. They were multi-role vessels. The Intrepid was good but by the time that it came out Starfleet needed to really have more fighting ships. The Intrepid was quite powerful but was the durability there? Can it hang in there during a slugging match? What we saw with Voyager was a special circumstance but how did it perform against the Dominion?
Given the name of this ship class; I wonder instead of gelato machines, these ships are installed with replicators that have the default setting being the serving of gumbo and fried chicken.
I'm going to make an educated guess that you follow Lore Reloaded. Starfleet has to have them gelato machines as standard issue.
Naw, it's Jambalaya
@@danielseelye6005 I love the idea of that. Space crawdads
@@danielseelye6005 Recipe provided by Sisko's Restaurant.
This reminds me of a tactic that US Rangers on deep reconnaisance patrols in Vietnam, called a Ranger Roll. A small team, like 6, would move in single file through jungle trails. What makes them unique was that they did not carry M-16 assault rifles, but they all carried sepcial lightened M-60 GP/medium machineguns. If the patrol made contact with a superior enemy force (and with only six guys, the enemy will almost always be superior), the first one in line will fire an entire belt of ammo in the direction of the enemy. Once exhausted, he "rolls" to the right and retreats to a certain distance (and reloads) while the second in line opens up full auto, and so on. The immense firepower often made the whole companies stop and allowed the Rangers to break contact and escape. Some enemy units actually retreated. That is because the firepower in that short period of time was the equivalent of a full company (about 150) of soldiers. That firepower could not be sustained, but it was enough to force the enemy to take cover and possibly retreat from a seemingly "superior" force.
I suspect the large salvoes of photon torpedoes made the New Orleans seem much more powerful than it was.
a good comparison. and interesting historical example after all the fog of war goes both ways.
I just happen to have 2 New Orleans class frigates in my Star Trek model collection. The USS Portland NCC-1845-B, and the USS Somerset NCC-65347. Both of them feature proudly in a Star Trek story I've written. Thank you for this.
i look forward to seeing them in it.
I'll add (at least one) to the registry lists I have, I guess.
Also, link, @cdrocrossdiscovery ?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Sorry, but the series is still in pre-production. If you're interested, I can forward the relevant scripts.
@@cdrocrossdiscovery series? Oh, I just thought it was a fanfic.
It reminds me of the next gen version of the nx refit with torpedo pods archer would have loved to have . I’ve always liked it. Not frigate so much as a pt boat patrol torpedo ship.
Back when this was released in STO, it got me back playing it for a few months, after giving up on the game 3 years earlier when pvp just just finally made impossible. It will take them releasing something like a Norway, Niagara, or Springfield to the game to make me do that again.
Branding the New Orleans a frigate was always an odd choice, because though it is relatively short and compact, its only small compared to super battleships like the galaxy and nebula. Heavy cruiser is the word they are looking for, and judging by its arsenal easily the most powerful in the quadrant, until something like the vorcha or akira class was launched. Those oval saucers can contain a lot of volume, this ship has around 1,000,000 m^3, 20% more than work horse excelsior and 35% more than later high tech light cruisers intrepids. With proboly double the firepower and less than half the displacement of the ambassador class, they would likely be the most feared opponent during the mid to late period of the Cardassian war. All those literal galaxy components, downsized, would make this more of a mid 2350s design, all those designs would not have been locked in the 40s.
it definitely is on the heavier side of a frigate. although i don't think it was as capable as the later 'anti borg' ships remember its still built as an explorer first. combat ship 2nd. while i wouldn't agree it is stronger than the ambassador it definitely gave it a run for its money.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 If they were to fight i too think an ambassador would best it. Its just that its best phaser shot could be at least twice as powerful as an ambasidor's, and if those pods all fired torpedoes it could engage squadrons of lesser ships. The ambassador could proboly absorb 3 times as much punishment and hit most targets with multiple arrays at once, its DPS potential and endurance would still be much higher.
though i don't really like those 3 pods as weapon banks really, i haven't been able to puzzle out what they could be thats satisfactory. perhaps a precursor to the nebula class's large sensor array, and advanced communication equipment that enable it to act as a flagships to fleets. Most ships of the class may not have them at all, the single blown to hell example we have seen just happened to have them.
The Norway was added to STO
Nice ship. You really should write a script using this ship. 🖖
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every shape way and detail possibly provided indeed on the New Orleans class starship's,👌.
Great video, but I'm still mad about that starfleet border war pacifism
so were the maquis
@Snake Plisken because he was part of the warmongering starfleet of the 2370s that answered to no one
The fact that you used that specific pic of O'Brien for the thumbnail is delightful to me. He looks like the lead singer for a band like Toto or Grim Reaper or something😂
Last time I was this early, Jim Kirk was an ensign
According to Kelvin, Kirk was never an Ensign, having jumped from cadet to Captain in one weekend
@@weldonwin According to Kelvin, the Romulans were also murderous bastards who try to destroy the Federa.....nvm that one checks out
I'm a huge fan of modular designs, so the New Orleans is a fav of mine. The bottom module seems a little awkward having a simple mounting point, but that's a nitpick. If I had the chance to adjust her appearance, I'd make the mount larger and curved so there's a flow.
Important detail on the Intrepid which affects the New Orleans' future: That recess in the Intrepid's saucer is Starfleet's solution to a problem with all preexisting warp drives. Warp drives before the Intrepid damage subspace, and the recess is like a secondary deflector with the sole purpose of solving that problem. Same reason for the tri-cyclic warp core and variable geometry nacelles. As much as Starfleet wouldn't mind continuing the New Orleans, it had no choice but to design a completely new series of vessels that could use this technology. They kept their old fleet in service, but they had to at least scale down production if not discontinue older models.
This might beg the question of a secondary deflector on the Sovereign for which I really have no good answer. Maybe the Sovereign was too late in its development phase or it found another solution? If I had a chance to pursue purely cannon from the TNG/DS9/Voy era, I'd design new ships with these features as they subtly but positively add to the ascetics. Ascetics from the later series are way over the top to me.
The "Torpedo Pods" were fired by a button on the command console that said "Cardassian Be Gone".
I have always liked this ship. I can imagine that they might equip the different pods with different types of torpedoes depending on the mission at hand. For instance, what if both of the top pods were equipped with photon torpedoes while the ventral pod was loaded with quantum torpedoes? Or if you knew you were going into a situation where you needed uprated firepower load all three pods with quantum torpedoes. At that point, if it is used properly, it could be used for slash and dash attacks against Jem'hadar battlecruisers and battleships, etc (but not stay around long). I think they should have found a way to use the pod mounts to create additional phaser weapon pods that could be mounted as well. I know that doing that would require proper EPS conduit connections that can handle that kind of power but in some cases you might want more phaser arrays.
At least the good news these ships making a come back as Luna class pulled back and these ships send out on deep space missions
Query: Does the New Orleans have 5 torpedo launchers, or 8? 🤔
In other words, do those torpedo pods fire both forward and aft?
On the model, the PTLs have ports on both fore and aft giving the NOC 8 total.
Some internet sources say 3, most say 4 or 5, some say 8. My head cannon says 8, just due to the size of the torpedo pods. They’re just too big not to have fore and aft launchers.
Just ordered Kyushu from Eaglemoss, looking forward to her arrival.
They had these nice, relatively modern frigates... But nah, they threw a bunch of century old Mirandas and Excelsiors at their enemies and hoped they didn't get blown up too fast.
its more that these were often doing other things. since they could be pretty fast and well armed they made for good patrol frigates.
Keep in mind an Exelsior class when brought into current standards are more capable than a New Orleans class
when you compare the amount of torpedo launchers on this ship with other ships you realise that this ship it armed to the teeth. the ship I think would really come into its element as a defence ship or artillery ship due to the amount of torpedoes it has armed on it. the new Orleans should have been produced in bigger numbers like the nebula was, a new orleans in a sector could be stations as a heavy hitter. imagine that if say an intrepid ran into trouble then you could have lots of these ship as far reaching power bases due to their relativly small size they could be quite easy to produce it would send most enemy's running.
This ship also could have seen good action as a raider as well, jump into a systerm fire a massive volley of torpedoes at the unshielded shipyards and ships then warp out.
Not even going to hide the fact that I love this ship so much that I have a uss Kyshu model on my desk. I would have liked to see this ship on screen more maybe replacing the Excelciors that every admiral ever arived on.
yeah in some ways it means it could punch above its own weight. when you consider what it would be facing in frigate duty nothing came close. and in a lager scale battle it could operate pretty effectively as mobile fire support.
and yeah its a shame we didnt see it more but understandable given what happened to the model
true, like the Cheyenne it s doomed forever to be a background wreck
@@ISAF_Ace funny thing is the cheyenne was pretty much intact.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 If I recall was in the lore was the Cheyenne actually recovered after the battle
I love this ship
The fact that the Cardassians had to spend almost 15 years of trial and error by combat against this class of ship just produce something that was more or less on par with it speaks volumes about its rugged capabilities.
Turning on the auto-caption is a hoot! It translates Cardassians as "Kardashians". The Internet Knows!
This is a ship that has grown on me over the years. Still looking for a historical breakdown on the Ambassador.
that may warrant a full 'wings of the federation' episode.
From a mini-Galaxy to a GIANT Miranda.
good point. althoug as i said in my centaur and nebula shipchat the nebula is very THicc compared to its predecessors.
Would’ve loved to have seen this and the other Wolf 359 designs in Dominion War battles. I know the DS9 VFX team was mostly limited to working with whatever ships ILM had modeled for First Contact. But still would have been nice.
Could you do some fan made ships? I’ve found some truly fantastic ones and posted then on the Facebook page. maybe this is a potential member benefit?
possibly. although the difficulty is having enough material out there to put in a video. although i would like to do one on both Andor classes.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I mean I found one guy on deviant art who does insanely cool 26-7th century ish Starfleet designs. I posted one that's literally a Starfleet Battlestar. Looks like one, has a jump drive, massive phaser cannon turrets THE WORKS
I think they should make a refit of the New Orleans with two twin torpedo tubes in the center of the saucer section right in the front built-in and then a single torpedo tube brighten the ass like the Galaxy class and then it would look so much better
A continuity/casting issue. At the time Leah Brahms was designing this, Geordi was being born.
When we meet her in late TNG, she isn't 25 years older than him.
A lot of folks keep saying the highlighter parts are torpedo pods, but Memory Alpha says they're sensor pods.
The New Orleans Class got a bad reputation at Wolf 359 as well for some reason, despite the fact that the Nebula class and Ambassador Class (Which is a very tough ship seeing how the E-C took on 4 Warbirds) both were quickly tossed aside and the fleet annihilated. With all those Torpedo launchers the New Orleans would be ideal for dealing with the larger Dominion ships from range alongside the Akira Class
I love my Eaglemoss model of her.
When you think of the galaxy style unified fleet, we could have gotten. Instead of the Excelsior and Miranda models that were reused.
There is a bunch of Star Trek books that actually goes in depth with all the ships up to the time of Star Trek Nemesis. I wonder if they were used to talk about the New Orleans class.
What books are those you mention?
@@aperioculus1988 Dockyard Reviews is one. On the internet you can find it.
I have always thought if the timeline was slightly different the New Orlean class would fully replace Miranda as the workhorse back bone ship of Starfleet along side the Exelsior
Favourite TNG kitbash by far.
The term kitbash has two uses.
Out-of-universe production set pieces,
and in-universe tacked together with spare parts and chugged out liberty-ship style vessels.
I would NOT classify the New-Orleans as a kitbash in universe. That is a production run model. You can tell by looking at it, it wasn't thrown together in a hurry. There's a strange Excelsior-class variant that is two saucers slapped together on their ventral sides and given 3 nacelles. THAT'S a kitbash.
The Yeager-class is a wonderful example of a pure kitbash.
A wonderful article Im sure Venom here has scoured, and possibly many of you.
www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/ds9tm.htm
i can deal whit the Curry class Excelsior kitbash, but THAT abomination of the 3 nacelles variant.... WHY the 3RD nacelles!
Cheers , great subject
Love the New Orleans!
Swan Stabilo modules for all your mission needs!
Looking at the model they used, it looks a little more stable then some of the other kit bashed models. It would of been neat if they filmed a few shots with the Enterprise, for future use.
1:00 If you don't look closely, you might think that it's an Akira class.
So which class do you think ultimately replace the Miranda Class by the end of the Dominion War: the Centaur Class, the New Orleans Class, the Steamrunner Class, or the Norway Class. Personally, I think all of them did when Starfleet moved away from a jack of all trade classes to specialized combat ships, at least with their smaller frigate and destroyer class of starships.
tough call. i'd probably have to say the norway. but really i think it would be replaced by a whole host of 'light cruisers' its also intresting that post dominion war we see a lot more 'low' nacelled ships, like akira and lunar, making them more like klingon ships.
Steamrunner, maybe for sheer proliferacy, at least as a destroyer.
Norway somewhat heavier, at least a frigate.
Centaur I still see as an older design, circa 2332.
Would you know what the ENTERPRISE D and after her would look like in the Kelvin time line
It’s kind of a cute little design
Those tubes are photon torpedo tubes to give the ship a more weapons this ship is considered a frigate.
I really like the nubile class star ship
Falls into the same category of ships I want to see more of, like the Yeager class.
Tough little ship
Heck.. you would rather have that than a miranda....
And the freedom class too.
Cardassians: *ENOUGH WITH THE TORP SPAM ALREADY!!!*
I have a refit new Orleans class (Lafayette class) as my flag ship in sto, USS Venera NCC 15197-B
Down? A destroyer of any type is an upgrade really not a downgrade in life.
I think its layout is much better than the nebula class when i played st bridge commander i was able to take out most of the of the nebulas torpedoes with a brel the game wasnt as u described and i felt it wasnt true to star trek its a shame because if you helped make an st game it would actually be good. It should have had this ship in because combat it would be hard to disable its torpedo launcher it looks fast an agile. Its no defiant tho i might have tryed it as a mod but i dont remember
I like the Starfleet battles table top game that's what I cut my teeth on thought it's kind of cool and then it was cool to watch it evolved into the online version on there just kind of wish that some of the modders would bring back some of the Star Trek on federals ships into like sins and solar empire mods things of that nature where the consentee the laryn you know those races were represented besides the tholins in the corn I mean nothing against them but there are and the Orion's but you know if the Starfleet battleships show up in those months that I've ever seen
There are three ways you can pronounce Orleans you can pronounce it
or-leens
or-lee-annes
or-leone
New Orleans class_ Small size
Nebula class Medium size
Galaxy class Large size
I wish they would add this to Star Trek Online (I would be happier if they don't reclassify it like they do many Frigates they've made playable) It sucks they weren't used in the DS9 on screen fleet battles.
Edit: I'm not sure I would count a Nebula as a mini-Galaxy like I would a New Orleans though. IMO its more a Galaxy Saucer with Warp Nacelles, and the upper pod added on,
I do believe it is playable in STO
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I just checked after reading your reply. Its a Fleet ship and none of my alts are in fleets remotely close to the level needed to access it. And it was reclassified. Checking the dates it was released back before they decided to make Frigates that could be used as a Player Character's ship so there are many Frigate classes from the lore that were reclassified.in the game plus several ships in the game that are Frigates if NPCs are using them but are classified as something else when under a player's control.
Right now there are only five Player Frigates in the game I've found in the game. Three are Federation only with one of those being a Fleet ship. The others are useable by any faction. For some reason there are no KDF exclusive Frigates even though there are Klingon Frigates in the Tabletop RPGs (Where some ships were brought into the game), PC games, and some in the novels. Along with Frigates being used by some of the factions absorbed by the KDF in the game, and a few NPC Klingon ships from the civil war arc identified as Frigates with no class name given. Plus there's the Frigates the larger Klingon Carriers can launch so they definitely have them but none have been given to the players yet.
Wait a minute the Challenger is definitely smaller than the New Orleans unless I'm delusional or something.
Wouldn't a Nova class be able to do all of the same tasks as a New Orleans while still being just as disposable?
Did they all have to speak cajun the entire time on that ship and celebrate mardi gras?
The New Orleans is not a mini-Galaxy, the Galaxy is a BIG New Orleans
now what you've done there... is blow my mind.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well, when you consider the New Orleans came first and the rest of the Brahms line of ships are developed from her, then it makes more logical sense to consider the Galaxy to be an enlarged evolution of the New Orleans
If this is the first of the Brahms ships and dates back to the 2340's, just how old is she by TNG?
About a dozen years old, maybe, @Eduardo Chagas ?
Myself, I see the New Orleans as debuting around 2352, but she could be older (I also tend not to think the Setlik III massacre was in 2347, but that's another matter)
Springfield-class is about same age, and Cheyenne, may be older.
The thing that I think nearly screwed Starfleet was that its policy of ship building was quite unfocused. From the time of the Tomad Incident where the Romulans went isolationist and the Klingons were rebuilding due to the destruction of Praxis; the Federation just kind of meadered on with the using the Excelsor and Mirandas as cruisers and frigates while building a bunch of bigger multi-role vessels to be the tip of the spear from the Constellation, Ambassador, Nebula and Galaxy (a role that all of them were not good at and had too few numbers to do so). As for frigates you have the the New Orleans but again not enough.
The fleet seems to be quite unbalanced. Ships did not have any kind of solid combat ability, the newer ships were too far and few in between and the most numerous ships were getting too old. This was good enough against losers like the Cardassians but against the Borg and Dominion...Starfleet barely won.
Nothing against the New Orleans but if I was in charge in Starfleet by the 2440s I would have said it is time to relegate the Mirandas as cargo haulers, troop transports, hospital ships, frigate and police system patrol ships after giving them one last overhaul. Then mass produce the New Orleans class to be the heavy frigates to take the place of the Miranda. Even that would have given Starfleet a better chance of surviving the 2460s and early 2470s
yeah i mean with the destruction of praxis starfleet basically skips the 'Excelsior' generation with the derivatives of that class seeing little development and then starfleet basically muddles its way through the 1st half of the 24th century.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 It is kind of like the Isreali tank force prior to the Merkava. Where it was a mix of M4 Sherman tanks that have been upgrade to an insane degree, plus some Centurions. The problem was that by the 1970s even the IDF realized that this was not a viable way to keep its tank forces going since the technology gap within the tank force and vis a vis its opponents was way too out of whack. Then once the British cut them out of the Challenger program the Israelis had to just go and rebuild their entire tank force with Merkavas.
She maybe small. Yet she is scrappy and has a bite to put a Galaxy-Class to shame. The only reason she did so poorly against the Borg Attack st Wolf 359. Poor Tactics. As her loadout with the extra Torpedo Pods. She would have put a serious hurt on a Borg Cube. Would not destroy it. Yet if you put enough fire on a central point. Would have crippled the cube a little bit. Also, with an upgrade to Quantum Torpedoes. That bite most likely got a lot bigger.
After all. If the Miranda-Class can survive this long and still be a workhorse of the Federation. Even for how old the class is. New Orleans-Class could likely last longer. Be double the workhorse the Miranda could ever do.
In the "wet" Navy. Isn't a frigate smaller than a destroyer?
so a frigate is a general purpose vessel and will often be deployed alone. a destroyer is more specialized and will occupy a specific role in a larger task force.
for the dominion war they should've had the new orleans instead of all those miranda's
The voice in this video bears a slight resemblance to Dr. Bashir. And I don't mean the accent.
Pretty sure the Rutledge was an excelsior class?
Venom, can I just do a channel membership payment all at once? I’ve used your PayPal and would do so again (via PayPal or Venmo or CashApp or whatever) if at all possible.
it all through youtube. so the payment options are whatever they offer.
Judging by the size of the windows, the official sizing seems way too big.
What's your estimate?
It's 350 years not 250 in the future....
Expensive? The federation does not use money!
The pawn on the bottom ain't that bad but the two on the top look awful
Not gonna lie, you need to get a script together as you frequently drone on about the same thing bounce to another topic then cover the same thing you covered earlier!
Until then id say the vid was unwatchable
I think this more free-form style is what he is going for with Ship Chats.
Sorry but I love this shit....
nebula is a kit bash lol
depends on your definition. if its just A model kit reconfigured then yeah. but personally i think that lumps good ships like the miranda and nebula in with mutants like the curry class.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 i guess my point about the nebula is that it has all the parts of the galaxy class except the neck and all those parts are roughly the same size as the galaxy class making its its internal volume relatively exactly the same as the galaxy class. while the ship in the video actually changes in scale, one can see the window size change. the nebula is more of a kit bash than the one in the video. how can it be considered a light cruiser when its virtually the same ship.
@@LancetFencing i wouldn't call the nebula a light cruiser given that the galaxy is essentially a battleship.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I wouldent call those Kitbashes since the Miranda and Nebula are what are called Modular kits both Modular Heavy cruiser and Modular Light Frigate which both the Miranda and Nebula have been known by fans as the term Modular for the Nebula continued that infulence of Modularity from the KDF Vorcha Class Modular Attack Cruiser and some of that ships modules while the Miranda Class also continued with several modules of its own such a Sensor pod and several side phasers and a rollbar pod which housed the side phasers along with both fore and aft torpedo launchers which was seen on the uss reliant in star trek the wrath of Khan.
Helmsman activate the highlighter drive