Thank you very much for covering this story!! I am the mother of two of these boys in the story. We couldn't have prayed for a better outcome in this situation. We are extremely blessed and extremely proud of these boys and how they handled themselves through this experience!!
To all the idiots saying he should’ve used bear spray. It took 24 ROUNDS to drop that thing. Bear spray isn’t going to do jack shit in that situation. If all you had is bear spray you’d be bear poop 😂
@@justsaynrush9689I recall french scientists being absolutely certain astroids didn't exsists, because, and I quote: "Since when do we see rocks fall out of the sky?"
@Lifes_a_joke I agree 110 percent. My bear sprayer shoots hard cast 255 grn 44 mag loaded. And they are hot. It's a ruger super Blackhawk hunter 44mag. So it will take it.
I taste a fairly strong anti-gun ownership feeling in a lot of the "experts" that say to use bear spray instead of a firearm. I am not against carrying both a pistol and bear spray, but I would never go into the woods armed with only bear spray. I am 61 and have had two successful defenses against Black Bear with a pistol.
I think that these days, a lot of so-called 'experts' aren't necessarily seasoned hunters or hikers/adventurers but rather college journalism twits who are indoctrinated a certain way (I don't have to explain it) and they are made to feel really smart at what they do in the great outdoors.
Why do you think people should not become bear food? That is a bizarre sense of entitlement. If you hunt, why should you not be yourself hunted? Don't be a hypocrite. I agree only carrying bear spray is folly, I carry a 10mm.
@@Dirk_T_Sanch3z I saw a clip years ago of two women attacked by a sow, with cubs. As I recall, they yelled, readied themselves with their spray, did everything thought proper up until the tooth met bone. One was mangled on her left side, the other on her right, to the point they had to share driving their truck back out of the woods. Lucky to survive, but I can't help but wonder if they would have appreciated the option of having an appropriately chambered firearm during the course of events.
In California there was a mountain lion that tried to eat a kid. It was euthanized. Karens ate up in arms on why it wasn't rehabilitated into a good cat. Ridiculous
@@blantant We don’t put animals down after an attack as punishment as some would say. Once an animal attacks a human they will do it again. They learn we are easy targets. It is to prevent future attacks. I live in CA, just don’t subscribe to Mad magazine like many here.
@@robpolaris7272 Yeah, there seems to be serious merit to the fact that large predatory animals that attack/feed on a human will likely alter their behavior for future attacks on humans.
As a 39 year Officer and current Fish/Game officer I completely recommend taking a firearm with you in bear country. I'd never rely on just bear spray to survive a bear encounter. I see bears all of the time and have no issues, but if one is charging you better have a powerful firearm!!!
@@jamesgregory3937 yeah, but I don’t need some wolf hugging fishery destroying cop to tell me to pack a gun in bear country. They’re the ones who will treat you like a criminal if you have to shoot one. Seen it…….
This kid Riley Hill is 1 year ahead of me at our plumbing school in East Idaho. He says they used a hard cast 10mm “bear rounds” and at point blank the bullets “mushroomed” off the skull. Sounds like the shots broadside with the 45acp did the trick. I was on the same trail as them [continental divide] 1 day post attack packing a sig p320 10x 10mm and bear spray. This story definitely hits home here in Idaho. Thanks for the video getting word out!
Lead rounds don't penetrate well. I was told a story about a hunter in moyie Springs Idaho about a guy bouncing 444 marlin rounds off a grizzlies skull.
@@greybone777That’s a very shaky conclusion based on one second hand example. Cast bullets penetrate very well. Mono metals have a slight advantage if they’re if comparable weight.
One trend I've noticed in these bear attack stories where a pistol ended the attack, the bear is on top of the intended victim and causing harm either as the gun is being fired or seconds before. The bear gets the drop on the human quite often. Reading about defensive shootings with criminals, most often, physical contact is made before shots are fired. Adjust mindset accordingly.
That’s honestly the first time my Taurus has jammed, which could have been many things that caused it. But I love the Taurus and grateful I was there to help out when needed
That gun will always have a cool story to go with it now for many many years. Glad you all are safe & you all should be proud of yourselves. Way to have each other's back
@@joseuribe430 definitely could’ve been, all I know is I couldn’t wait around and get that jammed cleared slowly. But I love the gun and it’s never jammed on me until then so it could’ve been a lot of things that happened.
I would have shown the bear my PETA lifetime membership card, and told the bear, “I see you and acknowledge your lived experience on stolen lands.”……..🤣
Some places, isn't it illegal to go "bow" hunting with just a firearm? Two quick shotgun thoughts to consider, how many bow hunters want their bored buddy, shadowing them all day, and how often does the guard practice getting a shotgun off their shoulder in ten foot to the bear split times? In this example, both bow hunters needed and used their firearms. In the next example, it's probably going to be different.
Those people screaming "use bear spray ONLY!" Have likely never even been 100 FEET away from a vehicle out in the woods. And CERTAINLY NOT IN BROWN/GRIZZLY/KODIAK/POLAR BEAR TERRITORY! Most people who are out in those areas would MUCH rather use the bear spray IF they can. But when an ANGRY BEAR is CHARGING YOU, you have a fraction of a second to make up your mind on how TO SAVE YOUR LIFE. There simply isn't time "to see if the bear spray will work". I THANKFULLY have never had ANY bear charge me. I have been close enough to hear one growl and even hear it BREATHING! The foliage was so thick you couldn't see a foot into it. So I don't know exactly how close it was. but the hairs on the back of mine and my dogs neck were standing straight up. And my 45acp was in my hand as we slowly retreated. it seemed like the longest walk of my life, even though it was only about 30 minutes. I was never so glad to be back inside my truck.
I stepped out on an old logging landing to glass and in the doghair brush right below me all I hear very close below me is a black bear clacking and low growls! I couldn't see 5ft into the brush it was so thick! Scared the crap out of me and I was carry a 338 mag and my 45acp Taurus and felt under gunned@ got the hell out of there back 100yds or back to the truck!😮
There was a guy in Arizona that killed a black bear with a 380. The bear attacked his dog and they guy shot the bear with his pocket pistol. That story always amazes me.
RULE ONE: There is no other word but "stupid" for any person to ever go into the woods without a firearm and med kit, especially if you're alone. RULE TWO: If anyone ever says otherwise, please refer back to RULE ONE.
The Greenland Army fights off polar bears with 10mm out of Glock 20 pistols. Might take 5 shots, and the bear might get within 5 feet, but that's their standard last I heard. For long guns they like 30-06. And since they aren't stupid they don't waste time on bear spray.
Yeah, I carry G20 10mm with full pressure loads and hard cast bullets. Its 225 grains at 1300fps. Also use a lil stronger recoil spring for that load. The XDM is also a wonderful choice for 10mm. Get the right load, and youre approaching .41mag ballistics but with far superior capacity and cycle speed. Sorry, but bear spray is only superior for people without firearm experience. If you are a granola hiker and have no firearm experience- sure, bear spray is a better choice for you. Good luck getting it off your belt, drawn, saftey puller removed, and aimed right before that bear, cat, or bull is on top of you.
Fish and Game said this is the first year grizzlies have crossed I-15 in the southern portion of Idaho. Moving towards more populated areas where hikers will be unprepared for a grizzly.
Not sure what fish and game were thinking. I-15 runs North and South. I-15 is about 75 miles West Of Island park where hunters were attacked. I-15 heads North and slightly West of Idaho Falls. Anything south of there is desert until you get to Spencer which 20 miles from the Montana border. No Grizzly’s in Rexburg, St Anthony or Idaho Falls.
That doesn't make any sense. I believe that could have only been said by somebody does not understand the geography of East Idaho. Yes, a grizzly did cross I-15 in the Centennial Range on the Idaho/Montana border in May 2024. That area is in what locals refer to as Eastern Idaho. It is nowhere near Southern Idaho.
@@keppscrossing they probably said that because I-15 runs into Utah and Nevada, and they’ve already crossed Montana into Idaho,So southern part of Idaho .
Listen, people. this is simple. Bear spray only works if the bear is bluffing or not committed. Once the Bear flips the switch and commits no amount of spray will help not even a little. So basically bear spray works when the bear was not going to attack in the first place. Bear spray is a deterrent, not a stopper.
@@stepanbandera5206 My theory is that most people are way too worried about bears. Based on bear attack statistics from Yellowstone, the chances of being killed by a bear per day of hiking in the Yellowstone backcountry are a tenth the chances of dying in a car accident per day of driving. Anyone not fretting over how to make driving safer shouldn't be fretting over bear attacks. That's not to say one shouldn't bring protection or take the necessary precautions, just as one should wear a seat belt when in a car, but it's simply not a huge risk. Now, if you are in an area with really high densities of brown bears or grizzlies (parts of Alaska and Costal BC), or somewhere with polar bears, then the numbers might shake out differently, but I doubt there is anywhere in the continental US where the risk of a bear attack is greater than the risk of driving to the trailhead.
Bear spray works 60% of the time every time. Its funny how bear spray as has no negative reviews. Weird right? The best product to sell is one that when the consumer uses it and it doesn't work>>> they die >>>no neg reviews today boss >>>>>>>>>100% affective boss
That's insane! Even here in Michigan when I go north to camp I always have a firearm! Not only for the black bear but for the crazy humans squatting on the state land. I'd like to see what one of these anti-gunners would do if they were attacked by a bear! Or when 3 strange guys walk into their camp out of nowhere!
I like the benelli m3 you can switch to pump if you need to. Always test your shotgun ammo on the range before the field. Some loads don't run in semiauto shotguns.
This had to be Montana because fish and game says there are no grizzly in Idaho. They are just wondering through the woods and when they get to the border they say nope, fish and game says i cant go there, and they turn around and go back to Montana.
@@stevenerickson-ni2mt really? I've lived in North Idaho for 57 years. A buddy of mine took a picture of a grizzly at his house, and took it to fish and game. They told him that the picture was taken in Montana, and that there are no grizzly in Idaho. 3 years ago a farmer in a little town called Clarkia told fish and game that a grizzly was attacking his cows. They told him that there are no grizzly in Idaho. When he asked if he could kill it then, they told him it was illegal to kill grizzly. He then reminded him that they said there were no grizzly in Idaho. Before you call someone a liar, maybe you should know more about the subject than he does.
Interesting. I looked again and the site is still there for everyone’s viewing. Grizzlies are noted as present in Idahos Panhandle and Bitterroot areas. Not saying you’re a liar about your specific scenario but clearly Idaho Fish and Game has it listed on their website for anyone to view.
In the interview they referenced they had "bear bullets". They also referenced magazine reloads so I knew they were automatics. I was waiting for you to cover this. Excellent.
It's definitely an automatic. A .45 "Automatic" Colt Pistol was used; and a 10mm "Auto" was used. It doesn't mean machine gun. Its meant to referrence the pistol loading the cartridges automatically.
@cbbees1468 "It's meant to reference the pistols loading the cartridges automatically," not the firing cycle. The word "automatic" is used for both descriptions and adds confusion or argument to the conversation. Your comment goes from auto-loader to select-fire.
Bro, I always hear stories about .45 ACP and I've never heard a word about .44 special. .44 special is a ballistic twin to .45 ACP and is more often than not, is more powerful than the.45. I carry .44 special for black bears where I live. No brown bears around here. I love it because wheel guns are way more dependable and .44 spl is how you get .45 ACP ballistics from a revolver. I've never heard anyone discussing .44 spl. for wilderness carry.... Maybe give it an honorable mention? God Bless. 🇺🇲🤟
Lol. That's too funny. I was just thinking about my wife's 44spl. It's a great round. Very similar ballistics to a 45. Got a bunch of 240 cast for practice. Bought some xtp, silvertip, n PMC for defense. Tested them n they all failed. Got some federal punch n it half worked. Tried critical defense n they worked great. If I carried it in the woods it would be cast. In the night stand it's critical defense.
this is why I carry my 629 4" in .44 mag and my super redhawk in .454. but I also carry an 1895 guide gun in bear country, as my pops always did. living near GNP and having seen bear spray fail before the change in laws in 2008...we always carried up there.
Man. I'm glad these two young hunters survived. Caliber and reliability wise their handguns almost totally failed them. Magnum revolvers work and they are not called magnum for nothing. Get ya some. Other observations may very.
Here's my obligatory comment, but I've been an advocate of the XDM ELITE 10mm. It has been 100% reliable out of the box with Buffalo Bore and Underwood. My Glock 20 has not been
Yep, I just got a Gen 5. Worst POS I've ever had. HATES bear loads. Called Klunk & that rude lil punk said they were built for NATO specs. In other words, will NOT handle full power loads & no stronger springs will ever be made for it. Useless JUNK!
Im happy they made it out and didnt get seriously disfugured. The 24 shots is a lot of shots expended. Id assume the majority were superficial nonlethal hits. Im on the Montana/Idaho border and am always trying to stay aware of my surroundings as much as possible. My carry is an 454 Ruger Alaskan. Often ive thought about going 10mm but I see a video and comments about reliability being an issue so i think Ill stick with the Ruger Alaskan with stout 45colt load.
Hi chuke.nothing aginst bear spray. I never carried it. It was first my marlin 45-70. And my colt 1911 45 acp. Then I traded up to a wnchester 1895 405. Which is a big hammer. . Now in Pennsylvania I carry my ruger security 6 4 " 357.just black bears here. ,but they get 700 and bigger black bear.. stay safe.😊😊
You have some very cool large caliber pistols. I hike around Lake Tahoe with a senior citizen hiking group and if I showed up with a chest rig they would call 911. I carry concealed a 9mm for my protection.
In Yellowstone, they scare you into buying it at about $50 bucks a canister. If they catch you firing a gun on the grounds, it's probably 10 to 20 at Leavenworth... in solitary. 😂
@@bustabass9025 I read that wrong I thought you said if you got caught with one you’d be in trouble haha, if you have a grizzly attacking you you have every right to shoot it, there’s videos on TH-cam of these two guys that shot a grizzly in self defense in ynp
And pushed by the anti 2A, liberal green community. and the NFS, Universities, NPS, BLM. Certainly, by the spray manufacturers. I think the research is biased because of that.
Hey Chuke, the location was Idaho, but very near Yellowstone, probably a grizzly attack hot spot. Maybe, an important point was their comment that the bear was bedded down, and surprised at close distance. There was nothing they could have done differently, given their activity.
I'm hesitant to be critical since he likely ended up saving his friend's life, but the guy who started to run should likely have stood his ground. The data I've seen is pretty clear, two or more adults who are together standing their ground are far less likely to be attacked. When the group separates and the bear can identify individual targets, the odds of attack rise dramatically.
@@recurrenTopology It's a tough one, I don't know what I would do, without thinking. What I meant by not doing any thing differently is that, they were bow hunting and trying to move carefully and quietly. One of the comments was about the Idaho game wardens who investigated, and apparently they concluded the bear was bedded down, very close to the trail they were on. I think it's true, that their reaction time was minimal. Who knows.
Reader's Digest, (remember that publication?) published a grizzly attack story in the early 1970's where the bear came into a camp at night and started marauding the occupants. An adjacent camp, hearing the screams of their neighbors camp, heard one female screaming, 'Help me, he's got my arm off!" I was 12 years old when my Mom gave me this story to read. Although it was terrifying, it was also fascinating and very thought provoking. I''ve had several grizzly encounters and wolf encounters in Montana and Idaho. Stay vigilant, and know that when calling elk in September, you are also possibly calling in a bear for lunch!
I remember that exact RD story. Especially the part where the woman is describing exactly what the bear is doing to her. And as I remember, the bear didn't just tear off her arm.
The term "SCAT" has a double meaning. First it is known as "feces", as in Bear Scat. Secondly, all the time growing up I heard it used as the term "Scat, Go Away". Mostly it was a word used to say "Go Away" to things like the dog, a skunk in the yard, a person lurking around...........you would say, "Scat bear, scat dog, etc".
We visited Henrys lake area back in July and rode the UTV up the Continental divide trail and hiked schoolhouse ridge where the third guy was glassing. Bear scat was all over. This story spooked me pretty well. I had buffalo bore 147gr hard cast bullets in 9mm in a sig tacops and a can of counter assault spray. But if we ever return I will be packing the shotgun with brenneke slugs. That said, we were in a loud UTV and not stalking elk quietly. Bow hunters take on extra risk.
Geez scary story!....the fact the the bear was missing an ear means the bear is a fighter and more likely to engage than head to the hills... its like seeing some huge thug in a back alley with scars all over his face with a baseball bat in his hands - you know you're in trouble. When I lived on the Flathead in Montana I knew alot of people who grew up there that sweared by a 1911 45 ACP handloaded hardcast. Most of these guys were older -40s to 60s and most said 230-250gr or 200gr +P with Unique at 1100fps.. There are alot of Grizzly bears in the Mission range and the Flathead probably there and Bob Marshall wilderness is the most besides Yellowstone in the lower 48. I used to target shoot out by McDonald Lake and there were alot of the out there. An old Salish legend in the area says a small tribe on the Flathead was wiped out by disease sometime late 1800s - early 1900s and all the dead in the tribe were not known about for some time due to their isolated location. When other tribes in the area went to the area apparently weeks later, they say there were dozens of Grizzly feeding on the dead. The legend says the Grizzly in the area developed a taste for people and are often aggressive. This was told to me by an Salish elder woman 74 years old born and raised on the Flathead Reservation
Thanks for sharing! Very interesting. We live in north vt. We have black bear very few attacks. 1911 here anyway. Great hunting has long gone in this area😢 . Stay safe.
Came across a local with his family picking blueberries while out hiking and saw he was carrying a 1911. Stopped n chatted a bit about the countryside n his choice of carry. he was loaded with 230grn roundnose.
Great video! Awesome to see the 460 Rowland getting some love! I live in NW Montana and carry a Glock 21 with a lone wolf 460 Rowland kit. Also, always have a Mossberg 500 with some Brenneke green lighting slugs in camp and when I’m not carrying my hunting rifle. Can’t seem to find the black magic in stock anywhere.
The moose down here are weird too, when I first went fishing in the lower 48 I was all, don’t need my gun. Nope. Wife and I were floating the Jefferson in Montana by Whitehall annnnnnd this moose bluff charged and was like 300 yards away! Never had that ever in Alaska when I grew up there. Also as you said the bears here are aggressive, it is really weird, even here in Wyoming in the mountains they get nuts. Rumors swirl that browns are now out in the prairies in Montana.
Remember the story of Mark Uptain ? They found empty pepper spray canisters when they found his body. They also found a Glock 40 with no mag inside and the magazine was several feet away.
I remember that story and I found it odd that a hunter wouldn't have accessed his rifle. Maybe it was up with the horses. But in those life or death situations, it's not easy to think logically and quickly.
I think the best argument for bear spray is that the skill level required for properly deploying it is much lower. There’s no question that a firearm is the more effective bear defense tool when deployed properly, but not everyone is going to put the time in to get to the level of proficiency that makes it more effective than bear spray. I know people will say they should just go to the range but the reality is that many people won’t, and for those folks bear spray is probably better.
After seeing a bear a few years ago on a solo hike, I has a 10mm that week. Ask the botanist in Alaska how well bear spray works... you can't because the bear took him out.
Bear spray is a joke in bear country. For the simple reason the wind may be blowing your way .I call people in big bear country with nothing but bear spray bear food 😅.
Another good source for 45 ACP in comparison to 10 mm, is the work done by the lake Great Paul Harrell. Please check out his channel and look for that subject matter in the search box. You might be surprised at what he determined.
All species of bears are crazy this year! We had the first Black Bears in Western Kentucky migrate into our area from Eastern Kentucky , earlier this year. It's ridiculous.
This attack was about 1 hr northeast of Idaho Falls. The bears are aggressive here because they are not hunted. Last year we had 2 tags for a population of over 500 bears in the region. The feds shut down the hunt right before the opener because of a lawsuite from people who dont live in bear country. If you live where these bears thrive carry big pistols with solid slugs and practice .
This question was in my mind also. As I have a 6” 357 with 180 gr xtp. Loaded pretty stout. I have heard the argument that this is a better round than the 10mm? I have never personally used a 10mm so I can’t speak about them. Just curious as well.
I live in N ID, and bullet selection is MORE important than caliber!! I appreciate you mentioning bullet construction, and I would love to know exactly what these guys were using in their guns. So many guys, even the majority of guys, just think because they have a 10 mm, they can load anything in it, ball, hollow points, and it'll work just fine. They are delusional! I would rather have a 38 special with a hardcast semi wadcutter, then a 10 mm with ball or hollow points in it. Ball rounds are soft lead, with thin jackets. They are NOT "bear rounds". With the right placement they MAY still work, but if you're going to bother to buy a 10mm, or you're using a 45 ACP, for God sakes get the right ammo. And it doesn't have to be maximum loaded fire-breathing rounds either. A well-constructed hardcast at at 900-1000 fps, will do just fine. You are far better off with a more moderately loaded round, that you can control for multiple shots. I see guys that buy a 20 round box of expensive hot ammo, and never practice with it. The amount of guys that can actually control a 454 Casull with hot ammo, or even a 10 mm with hot ammo, for quick multiple shots, is a very tiny percentage. Check your ego at the door of your gun shop, and get some ammo that will do the job for YOU, and shoot some of it so you know what to expect.
Great video chuke I think that black bears are worse this year been several conflicts recently in Tennessee. I think alot the problem is the people not giving them space of course Idaho was different keep up the great work
These kids were experienced hunters and did everything right, but in Idaho we have got a lot of move-in mostly from California they like to get out in the outdoors, but do not understand what they’re facing. It’s even been a problem in the subdivision in Northeast Idaho. People are calling and having the bear dispatchby fish and game.
@@Tk.utelab we have the same problem in Montana now and I think that's the problem down south too me and my family moved from Tennessee and next spring we are moving to Wyoming my daughter got accepted by university of Wyoming so we are leaving Montana because it's filling up with liberals thank you for your comment I agree 100%
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Thank you very much for covering this story!! I am the mother of two of these boys in the story. We couldn't have prayed for a better outcome in this situation. We are extremely blessed and extremely proud of these boys and how they handled themselves through this experience!!
@@lorettameyers5371 hey thank you, and I’m glad they are ok!!
Bless you, ma'am! Our prayers are with you.
To all the idiots saying he should’ve used bear spray. It took 24 ROUNDS to drop that thing. Bear spray isn’t going to do jack shit in that situation. If all you had is bear spray you’d be bear poop 😂
Yep
Science has proven that in many cases when there are known factors that sometimes science doesn't know shit.
@@justsaynrush9689I recall french scientists being absolutely certain astroids didn't exsists, because, and I quote: "Since when do we see rocks fall out of the sky?"
Bear spray is just spicy human taco flavoring
@Lifes_a_joke I agree 110 percent. My bear sprayer shoots hard cast 255 grn 44 mag loaded. And they are hot. It's a ruger super Blackhawk hunter 44mag. So it will take it.
I watched their story. Perfect example of how important it is to have good friends. Proud of those boys!
Friends don't let Friends buy Taurus.
Its called a Scat Belt because after you spray the Bear and Spray doesn't work, you and the Belt will be part of the bears scat .😂😂😂😂
Well-said.
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I taste a fairly strong anti-gun ownership feeling in a lot of the "experts" that say to use bear spray instead of a firearm. I am not against carrying both a pistol and bear spray, but I would never go into the woods armed with only bear spray. I am 61 and have had two successful defenses against Black Bear with a pistol.
They can only be considered "experts" if they tow the ideological line. That's just how it works.
First - Congrats on surviving;
Second - What kind of pistol/caliber did you use?
Bear spray I don’t trust, I trust my guns more than
@@angelosusa4258bad BOT!
I think that these days, a lot of so-called 'experts' aren't necessarily seasoned hunters or hikers/adventurers but rather college journalism twits who are indoctrinated a certain way (I don't have to explain it) and they are made to feel really smart at what they do in the great outdoors.
"Bear spray only" seems to be the mantra of people who'd be ok with a human becoming bear food.
Why do you think people should not become bear food? That is a bizarre sense of entitlement. If you hunt, why should you not be yourself hunted? Don't be a hypocrite. I agree only carrying bear spray is folly, I carry a 10mm.
@@BigJohnson-g3j Where, exactly, in my post did I say that I think people shouldn't become bear food?
More like people that have never been charged.
@@BigJohnson-g3j I do think that people who enter bear territory without firearms should become bear food.
@@Dirk_T_Sanch3z I saw a clip years ago of two women attacked by a sow, with cubs. As I recall, they yelled, readied themselves with their spray, did everything thought proper up until the tooth met bone. One was mangled on her left side, the other on her right, to the point they had to share driving their truck back out of the woods.
Lucky to survive, but I can't help but wonder if they would have appreciated the option of having an appropriately chambered firearm during the course of events.
The bleeding hearts don't realize that sometimes its kill or be killed. A pissed off charging brown bear doesn't care about bear spray.
In California there was a mountain lion that tried to eat a kid. It was euthanized. Karens ate up in arms on why it wasn't rehabilitated into a good cat. Ridiculous
@@blantant We don’t put animals down after an attack as punishment as some would say.
Once an animal attacks a human they will do it again. They learn we are easy targets.
It is to prevent future attacks. I live in CA, just don’t subscribe to Mad magazine like many here.
OR karens feelings😬
@@robpolaris7272 Yeah, there seems to be serious merit to the fact that large predatory animals that attack/feed on a human will likely alter their behavior for future attacks on humans.
They will tell you that’s the risk you take if you go in their territory. That’s seriously how they look at it.
As a 39 year Officer and current Fish/Game officer I completely recommend taking a firearm with you in bear country. I'd never rely on just bear spray to survive a bear encounter. I see bears all of the time and have no issues, but if one is charging you better have a powerful firearm!!!
Fish and Game are the last people I’d take any kind of outdoor advice from. Screw up everything they touch and write kids tickets.
@@Dirk_T_Sanch3z The fish and game officer is telling you he recommends taking a firearm into bear country. Did you mis read his statement?
@@jamesgregory3937 yeah, but I don’t need some wolf hugging fishery destroying cop to tell me to pack a gun in bear country. They’re the ones who will treat you like a criminal if you have to shoot one. Seen it…….
People who say "should've used bear spray" or "you only need Bear spray" have absolutely no idea what they're talking about
"Should have used bear spray" is easy to say when you don't have a grizzly chewing on your arm.
Those people have never taken a piss facing into the wind.
@@who_wantsitat point blank range, wind isn’t a factor. This guy is an idiot for encouraging people to carry a handgun for bear protection.
If the bear is chewing on you, your bear spray has expired already.
This
This kid Riley Hill is 1 year ahead of me at our plumbing school in East Idaho. He says they used a hard cast 10mm “bear rounds” and at point blank the bullets “mushroomed” off the skull. Sounds like the shots broadside with the 45acp did the trick.
I was on the same trail as them [continental divide] 1 day post attack packing a sig p320 10x 10mm and bear spray.
This story definitely hits home here in Idaho. Thanks for the video getting word out!
That's because the front of a bears skull is incredibly thick and sloped like tank armor. but it is pretty thin on the sides and underneath.
Lead rounds don't penetrate well. I was told a story about a hunter in moyie Springs Idaho about a guy bouncing 444 marlin rounds off a grizzlies skull.
@@greybone777That’s a very shaky conclusion based on one second hand example. Cast bullets penetrate very well. Mono metals have a slight advantage if they’re if comparable weight.
One trend I've noticed in these bear attack stories where a pistol ended the attack, the bear is on top of the intended victim and causing harm either as the gun is being fired or seconds before. The bear gets the drop on the human quite often. Reading about defensive shootings with criminals, most often, physical contact is made before shots are fired. Adjust mindset accordingly.
@@darrenvanderwilt1258 yeah 4-4.6” barrel on the handgun, 6” albeit nice to have extra velocity may be too long to keep in battery underneath a bear
Bear spray is like a taser ,some times it works,sometimes it doesn’t
That’s honestly the first time my Taurus has jammed, which could have been many things that caused it. But I love the Taurus and grateful I was there to help out when needed
That gun will always have a cool story to go with it now for many many years. Glad you all are safe & you all should be proud of yourselves. Way to have each other's back
WOW, the Lord was with you guys
@@jamesfrasure4051 definitely will stay in the family, I got it from my dad because I needed one and he had an extra so he helped me out
in my experience it's usually one of two things that make a gun jam. Limp wrist, or weak spring. Just my two cents....
@@joseuribe430 definitely could’ve been, all I know is I couldn’t wait around and get that jammed cleared slowly. But I love the gun and it’s never jammed on me until then so it could’ve been a lot of things that happened.
I would have shown the bear my PETA lifetime membership card, and told the bear, “I see you and acknowledge your lived experience on stolen lands.”……..🤣
None of that matters if you misgender the bear.
Never give up your guns...ever
The 460 rowland is a beast! I've had one for many years, I actually live 1 mile away from the cartridge co-designer's ammo company.
In the backcountry, we hunt in pairs, and the person NOT filling their tag, carries a 12 guage. Shotgun, shotgun, shotgun
I was gonna say...
Yeah I tell all the new guys from LA walk in a gangs just like home lol when your In the woods here
Some places, isn't it illegal to go "bow" hunting with just a firearm?
Two quick shotgun thoughts to consider, how many bow hunters want their bored buddy, shadowing them all day, and how often does the guard practice getting a shotgun off their shoulder in ten foot to the bear split times?
In this example, both bow hunters needed and used their firearms. In the next example, it's probably going to be different.
yeah but are you slugs or 15 pellet 00 buck shotshells lol😅im the 15 pellets but I'm in hog land
@@noblelegrand331 alternate buck, slug, buck, slug,...
“They say the Taurus jammed.”
Hahaha 😂
This is another example why I will not buy a Taurus!
Those people screaming "use bear spray ONLY!" Have likely never even been 100 FEET away from a vehicle out in the woods. And CERTAINLY NOT IN BROWN/GRIZZLY/KODIAK/POLAR BEAR TERRITORY! Most people who are out in those areas would MUCH rather use the bear spray IF they can. But when an ANGRY BEAR is CHARGING YOU, you have a fraction of a second to make up your mind on how TO SAVE YOUR LIFE. There simply isn't time "to see if the bear spray will work". I THANKFULLY have never had ANY bear charge me. I have been close enough to hear one growl and even hear it BREATHING! The foliage was so thick you couldn't see a foot into it. So I don't know exactly how close it was. but the hairs on the back of mine and my dogs neck were standing straight up. And my 45acp was in my hand as we slowly retreated. it seemed like the longest walk of my life, even though it was only about 30 minutes. I was never so glad to be back inside my truck.
Your body knows.
I stepped out on an old logging landing to glass and in the doghair brush right below me all I hear very close below me is a black bear clacking and low growls! I couldn't see 5ft into the brush it was so thick! Scared the crap out of me and I was carry a 338 mag and my 45acp Taurus and felt under gunned@ got the hell out of there back 100yds or back to the truck!😮
Sick shirt. The mgs series is classic.
There was a guy in Arizona that killed a black bear with a 380. The bear attacked his dog and they guy shot the bear with his pocket pistol. That story always amazes me.
Chuke you should be the one to interview these people. The guy interviewing those kids was really hard to watch.
A vegan/furry interviewing meat eaters :0
I've lived there and hunted same area in Idaho for years and I carry an Springfield XDM Elite 3.8 10mm with Underwood 200gr hardcast...chest rig!
Thanks for doing this video Chuke. I'm an Idahoan and hunt in grizz country. Oh and we have mountains all over the state not just in the north.
RULE ONE: There is no other word but "stupid" for any person to ever go into the woods without a firearm and med kit, especially if you're alone.
RULE TWO: If anyone ever says otherwise, please refer back to RULE ONE.
Bears are tired of all the out of staters
The bear spray crowd…the Prius lovers…the Harris voters. Same people.
No, we're not the same people.
Yes you are.
EV drivers.
@@PeasantKing-od5lgOf course all people on the other side of the political aisle have all the attributes you despise.
Watching propaganda much?
@@GrooveyTuesdayyup, you are
The Greenland Army fights off polar bears with 10mm out of Glock 20 pistols. Might take 5 shots, and the bear might get within 5 feet, but that's their standard last I heard. For long guns they like 30-06. And since they aren't stupid they don't waste time on bear spray.
The shit belt with pepper spray won’t do shit against a charging Grizz.
@@jrich5150 like us hikers and hunters don’t have enough shit on our belts
24 shots😮 Pistols are a last resort. Bear Spray is a joke!
I was told years ago that the easiest way to tell grizzly bear scat from black bear is that you can smell pepper spray in the grizzly scat.
Anti-gunners saying bear spray only would make me want to only carry a firearm and forget about bear spray completely.
I watched and listened to the video interview of the boys just 4 days after it happened. It’s a harrowing tale to say the least!
It really is!
Yeah, I carry G20 10mm with full pressure loads and hard cast bullets. Its 225 grains at 1300fps. Also use a lil stronger recoil spring for that load. The XDM is also a wonderful choice for 10mm. Get the right load, and youre approaching .41mag ballistics but with far superior capacity and cycle speed. Sorry, but bear spray is only superior for people without firearm experience. If you are a granola hiker and have no firearm experience- sure, bear spray is a better choice for you. Good luck getting it off your belt, drawn, saftey puller removed, and aimed right before that bear, cat, or bull is on top of you.
Glad you’re covering this. Lots of bear attacks this year!
Man, there has been a lot of bear attacks this year.
Its beginning to be unbearable
@@fresnorob4722 😆😆 Excellent
Fish and Game said this is the first year grizzlies have crossed I-15 in the southern portion of Idaho. Moving towards more populated areas where hikers will be unprepared for a grizzly.
Not sure what fish and game were thinking. I-15 runs North and South. I-15 is about 75 miles West Of Island park where hunters were attacked. I-15 heads North and slightly West of Idaho Falls. Anything south of there is desert until you get to Spencer which 20 miles from the Montana border. No Grizzly’s in Rexburg, St Anthony or Idaho Falls.
ISLAND PARK IDAHO ! DANGEROUS PLACE NOW.
North ID. Is dangerous
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That doesn't make any sense. I believe that could have only been said by somebody does not understand the geography of East Idaho. Yes, a grizzly did cross I-15 in the Centennial Range on the Idaho/Montana border in May 2024. That area is in what locals refer to as Eastern Idaho. It is nowhere near Southern Idaho.
@@keppscrossing they probably said that because I-15 runs into Utah and Nevada, and they’ve already crossed Montana into Idaho,So southern part of Idaho .
Listen, people. this is simple. Bear spray only works if the bear is bluffing or not committed. Once the Bear flips the switch and commits no amount of spray will help not even a little. So basically bear spray works when the bear was not going to attack in the first place. Bear spray is a deterrent, not a stopper.
This is a reasonable hypothesis but do you have any studies which back this up?
This.
@@recurrenTopologyYou'll have to go afield and come up with your own theories
Mr. Poindexter 🤓
@@stepanbandera5206 My theory is that most people are way too worried about bears. Based on bear attack statistics from Yellowstone, the chances of being killed by a bear per day of hiking in the Yellowstone backcountry are a tenth the chances of dying in a car accident per day of driving.
Anyone not fretting over how to make driving safer shouldn't be fretting over bear attacks. That's not to say one shouldn't bring protection or take the necessary precautions, just as one should wear a seat belt when in a car, but it's simply not a huge risk.
Now, if you are in an area with really high densities of brown bears or grizzlies (parts of Alaska and Costal BC), or somewhere with polar bears, then the numbers might shake out differently, but I doubt there is anywhere in the continental US where the risk of a bear attack is greater than the risk of driving to the trailhead.
@@recurrenTopology Always be prepared.
Bear spray only is probably only said by those who never will go out side let alone to the woods.
That 460 Rowland is so awesome. Shirt game is on-point once again. Great video, man!
What about the couple in a Canadian park who expended all there bear spray and then were eaten by a bear?
Woah!
I read about that incident with the two couple with bear spray.
Bear spray works 60% of the time every time. Its funny how bear spray as has no negative reviews. Weird right? The best product to sell is one that when the consumer uses it and it doesn't work>>> they die >>>no neg reviews today boss >>>>>>>>>100% affective boss
Maybe the bear liked hot sauce with its meal ?
Sex Panther?
That's insane! Even here in Michigan when I go north to camp I always have a firearm! Not only for the black bear but for the crazy humans squatting on the state land. I'd like to see what one of these anti-gunners would do if they were attacked by a bear! Or when 3 strange guys walk into their camp out of nowhere!
They think they can blow their way out of every problem.
There's an episode of Wardens on YT, where a guy fishing in Montana killed a charging grizzly with 4 shots from a 45acp.
Scat belt -- so tough it makes it into bear scat unscathed! With a little GPS tracker to notify fish and game, triggered by bear's digestive juices 😅
Some bears like hot sauce with their human prey 😂
Frank’s red hot, bears put that $#!+ on everything 😂
I like the benelli m3 you can switch to pump if you need to. Always test your shotgun ammo on the range before the field. Some loads don't run in semiauto shotguns.
Bear spray is to deter bears. Firearms are to stop bears
Idahoan here we dont F around with bear spray I carry a 44 mag and wife carry’s Glock 20
Read what others on here have said about Glocks. Use any of the other guns.
This had to be Montana because fish and game says there are no grizzly in Idaho.
They are just wondering through the woods and when they get to the border they say nope, fish and game says i cant go there, and they turn around and go back to Montana.
A quick glance in Idaho Fish and Game website shows you are incorrect. The Internet is a powerful tool, one should learn to use it.
@@stevenerickson-ni2mt really? I've lived in North Idaho for 57 years. A buddy of mine took a picture of a grizzly at his house, and took it to fish and game. They told him that the picture was taken in Montana, and that there are no grizzly in Idaho.
3 years ago a farmer in a little town called Clarkia told fish and game that a grizzly was attacking his cows. They told him that there are no grizzly in Idaho. When he asked if he could kill it then, they told him it was illegal to kill grizzly. He then reminded him that they said there were no grizzly in Idaho.
Before you call someone a liar, maybe you should know more about the subject than he does.
Interesting. I looked again and the site is still there for everyone’s viewing. Grizzlies are noted as present in Idahos Panhandle and Bitterroot areas. Not saying you’re a liar about your specific scenario but clearly Idaho Fish and Game has it listed on their website for anyone to view.
@@StacyBaldwin-qv5cj Here I did the hard work for you. idfg.idaho.gov/sites/default/files/brochure-2020-hunting-in-grizzly-bear-country.pdf
damn Chuke, all these years , all those videos I've watched, I realized I haven't sub'd to your channel.. Well I am now. Love your stuff.
You had the bear spray in selfie mode when you pretended to spray it 😂
In the interview they referenced they had "bear bullets". They also referenced magazine reloads so I knew they were automatics. I was waiting for you to cover this. Excellent.
definitely not automatic
It's definitely an automatic. A .45 "Automatic" Colt Pistol was used; and a 10mm "Auto" was used. It doesn't mean machine gun. Its meant to referrence the pistol loading the cartridges automatically.
@@Puazy_7051Yes, but technically the operation of these pistols are semi-auto.
@cbbees1468 "It's meant to reference the pistols loading the cartridges automatically," not the firing cycle. The word "automatic" is used for both descriptions and adds confusion or argument to the conversation. Your comment goes from auto-loader to select-fire.
probably referring to either HSM bear loads or Grizzly ammo by buffalo bore
Bro, I always hear stories about .45 ACP and I've never heard a word about .44 special. .44 special is a ballistic twin to .45 ACP and is more often than not, is more powerful than the.45.
I carry .44 special for black bears where I live. No brown bears around here.
I love it because wheel guns are way more dependable and .44 spl is how you get .45 ACP ballistics from a revolver.
I've never heard anyone discussing .44 spl. for wilderness carry....
Maybe give it an honorable mention? God Bless.
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Lol. That's too funny. I was just thinking about my wife's 44spl. It's a great round. Very similar ballistics to a 45. Got a bunch of 240 cast for practice. Bought some xtp, silvertip, n PMC for defense. Tested them n they all failed. Got some federal punch n it half worked. Tried critical defense n they worked great.
If I carried it in the woods it would be cast. In the night stand it's critical defense.
this is why I carry my 629 4" in .44 mag and my super redhawk in .454. but I also carry an 1895 guide gun in bear country, as my pops always did. living near GNP and having seen bear spray fail before the change in laws in 2008...we always carried up there.
Thank you for keeping us informed
Also as a quick note, the ADFG uses Brenneke’s Special Forces slugs as their personal ammo
Ooof that shirt is clean! Metal Gear!
Ssssnnnnaaaaaakkkkeeeee!!!
Man. I'm glad these two young hunters survived. Caliber and reliability wise their handguns almost totally failed them. Magnum revolvers work and they are not called magnum for nothing. Get ya some. Other observations may very.
Hey this happened like 20 minutes where I’m at. That’s where they drop a lot of problem grizz from Yellowstone national park.
Here's my obligatory comment, but I've been an advocate of the XDM ELITE 10mm. It has been 100% reliable out of the box with Buffalo Bore and Underwood. My Glock 20 has not been
Same for me, I have a gen4 G20 that chokes on FMJ after two trips back to the factory. My XDM 10mm eats everything
Mines been running good with a kkm barrel, and heavier recoil spring
Yep, I just got a Gen 5. Worst POS I've ever had. HATES bear loads. Called Klunk & that rude lil punk said they were built for NATO specs. In other words, will NOT handle full power loads & no stronger springs will ever be made for it. Useless JUNK!
Same here
I'll have to look into that. I operate at my best with the DA/SA pistol with hammer, but it's hard to find one of those in 10 millimeter.
Idaho has mountains everywhere
Crazy ! Glad to hear those men made it. GOD BLESS
“The guy” aka Dan Bigley. Chuke, have you read his book, “Beyond the Bear”? Awesome read!
Thank you! Please keep on being sick of the bear spray commandos.
Im happy they made it out and didnt get seriously disfugured. The 24 shots is a lot of shots expended. Id assume the majority were superficial nonlethal hits. Im on the Montana/Idaho border and am always trying to stay aware of my surroundings as much as possible. My carry is an 454 Ruger Alaskan. Often ive thought about going 10mm but I see a video and comments about reliability being an issue so i think Ill stick with the Ruger Alaskan with stout 45colt load.
Invite these guys on the show for an interview
Hi chuke.nothing aginst bear spray. I never carried it. It was first my marlin 45-70. And my colt 1911 45 acp. Then I traded up to a wnchester 1895 405. Which is a big hammer. . Now in Pennsylvania I carry my ruger security 6 4 " 357.just black bears here. ,but they get 700 and bigger black bear.. stay safe.😊😊
You have some very cool large caliber pistols. I hike around Lake Tahoe with a senior citizen hiking group and if I showed up with a chest rig they would call 911. I carry concealed a 9mm for my protection.
Probably smart
You only be faster on the run than the slowest hiker….
In my opinion bear spray is becoming the most over rated out doors product
In Yellowstone, they scare you into buying it at about $50 bucks a canister. If they catch you firing a gun on the grounds, it's probably 10 to 20 at Leavenworth... in solitary. 😂
@@bustabass9025 you’re allowed to carry a gun in Yellowstone
@Braxtonfontes14
You can have one, but you'd better not discharge it for ANY reason. What the hell's the difference?
@@bustabass9025 I read that wrong I thought you said if you got caught with one you’d be in trouble haha, if you have a grizzly attacking you you have every right to shoot it, there’s videos on TH-cam of these two guys that shot a grizzly in self defense in ynp
And pushed by the anti 2A, liberal green community. and the NFS, Universities, NPS, BLM. Certainly, by the spray manufacturers. I think the research is biased because of that.
Hey Chuke, the location was Idaho, but very near Yellowstone, probably a grizzly attack hot spot. Maybe, an important point was their comment that the bear was bedded down, and surprised at close distance. There was nothing they could have done differently, given their activity.
I'm hesitant to be critical since he likely ended up saving his friend's life, but the guy who started to run should likely have stood his ground. The data I've seen is pretty clear, two or more adults who are together standing their ground are far less likely to be attacked. When the group separates and the bear can identify individual targets, the odds of attack rise dramatically.
@@recurrenTopology It's a tough one, I don't know what I would do, without thinking.
What I meant by not doing any thing differently is that, they were bow hunting and trying to move carefully and quietly. One of the comments was about the Idaho game wardens who investigated, and apparently they concluded the bear was bedded down, very close to the trail they were on. I think it's true, that their reaction time was minimal. Who knows.
Bear spray at that short distance would almost certainly incapacitate you before the bear.
Reader's Digest, (remember that publication?) published a grizzly attack story in the early 1970's where the bear came into a camp at night and started marauding the occupants. An adjacent camp, hearing the screams of their neighbors camp, heard one female screaming, 'Help me, he's got my arm off!" I was 12 years old when my Mom gave me this story to read. Although it was terrifying, it was also fascinating and very thought provoking. I''ve had several grizzly encounters and wolf encounters in Montana and Idaho. Stay vigilant, and know that when calling elk in September, you are also possibly calling in a bear for lunch!
I remember that exact RD story. Especially the part where the woman is describing exactly what the bear is doing to her. And as I remember, the bear didn't just tear off her arm.
The term "SCAT" has a double meaning. First it is known as "feces", as in Bear Scat. Secondly, all the time growing up I heard it used as the term "Scat, Go Away". Mostly it was a word used to say "Go Away" to things like the dog, a skunk in the yard, a person lurking around...........you would say, "Scat bear, scat dog, etc".
We visited Henrys lake area back in July and rode the UTV up the Continental divide trail and hiked schoolhouse ridge where the third guy was glassing. Bear scat was all over. This story spooked me pretty well. I had buffalo bore 147gr hard cast bullets in 9mm in a sig tacops and a can of counter assault spray. But if we ever return I will be packing the shotgun with brenneke slugs.
That said, we were in a loud UTV and not stalking elk quietly. Bow hunters take on extra risk.
I think having to contend with more insects has an effect. Nice to know the spray fans are willing to bet your life on it
Hilarious. A bear will use pepper spray for seasoning to eat you.😅
Geez scary story!....the fact the the bear was missing an ear means the bear is a fighter and more likely to engage than head to the hills... its like seeing some huge thug in a back alley with scars all over his face with a baseball bat in his hands - you know you're in trouble. When I lived on the Flathead in Montana I knew alot of people who grew up there that sweared by a 1911 45 ACP handloaded hardcast. Most of these guys were older -40s to 60s and most said 230-250gr or 200gr +P with Unique at 1100fps.. There are alot of Grizzly bears in the Mission range and the Flathead probably there and Bob Marshall wilderness is the most besides Yellowstone in the lower 48. I used to target shoot out by McDonald Lake and there were alot of the out there. An old Salish legend in the area says a small tribe on the Flathead was wiped out by disease sometime late 1800s - early 1900s and all the dead in the tribe were not known about for some time due to their isolated location. When other tribes in the area went to the area apparently weeks later, they say there were dozens of Grizzly feeding on the dead. The legend says the Grizzly in the area developed a taste for people and are often aggressive. This was told to me by an Salish elder woman 74 years old born and raised on the Flathead Reservation
Thanks for sharing! Very interesting. We live in north vt. We have black bear very few attacks. 1911 here anyway. Great hunting has long gone in this area😢 . Stay safe.
Beautiful area. I just visited it.
Great vid Chukes..Between the Benelli and the Rowland in a leather holster, I cant think of a more beautiful combo..
Wyoming shout-out. This summer was particularly hot in Wyoming, to the point the decals I put on my truck might have melted into the paint lol.
Came across a local with his family picking blueberries while out hiking and saw he was carrying a 1911. Stopped n chatted a bit about the countryside n his choice of carry. he was loaded with 230grn roundnose.
Great video! Awesome to see the 460 Rowland getting some love! I live in NW Montana and carry a Glock 21 with a lone wolf 460 Rowland kit. Also, always have a Mossberg 500 with some Brenneke green lighting slugs in camp and when I’m not carrying my hunting rifle. Can’t seem to find the black magic in stock anywhere.
I bet bears who are sprayed with bear spray are thinking that we are just big two legged skunks
The poor Canadians.
Do a vid on aow shotguns for bear defense. Gel test vs full Barrel lengths And have you heard of a story of aow used
The moose down here are weird too, when I first went fishing in the lower 48 I was all, don’t need my gun. Nope. Wife and I were floating the Jefferson in Montana by Whitehall annnnnnd this moose bluff charged and was like 300 yards away!
Never had that ever in Alaska when I grew up there. Also as you said the bears here are aggressive, it is really weird, even here in Wyoming in the mountains they get nuts. Rumors swirl that browns are now out in the prairies in Montana.
I was hoping you would share this one. My 1st month in Boise Idaho and the officers shot a mountain lion in town. Crazy stuff. Thank you Chuke!👣💕
Remember the story of Mark Uptain ? They found empty pepper spray canisters when they found his body. They also found a Glock 40 with no mag inside and the magazine was several feet away.
Mark's client ejected the magazine in a panic.
I remember that story and I found it odd that a hunter wouldn't have accessed his rifle. Maybe it was up with the horses. But in those life or death situations, it's not easy to think logically and quickly.
I sense that AND a hidden argument to leave certain people defenseless for the purpose of human population control.
Bear spray is for overly curious bears getting too close for comfort, firearms are for attacking bears.
I think the best argument for bear spray is that the skill level required for properly deploying it is much lower. There’s no question that a firearm is the more effective bear defense tool when deployed properly, but not everyone is going to put the time in to get to the level of proficiency that makes it more effective than bear spray. I know people will say they should just go to the range but the reality is that many people won’t, and for those folks bear spray is probably better.
After seeing a bear a few years ago on a solo hike, I has a 10mm that week. Ask the botanist in Alaska how well bear spray works... you can't because the bear took him out.
Bear spray is a joke in bear country. For the simple reason the wind may be blowing your way .I call people in big bear country with nothing but bear spray bear food 😅.
Another good source for 45 ACP in comparison to 10 mm, is the work done by the lake Great Paul Harrell. Please check out his channel and look for that subject matter in the search box. You might be surprised at what he determined.
All species of bears are crazy this year! We had the first Black Bears in Western Kentucky migrate into our area from Eastern Kentucky , earlier this year. It's ridiculous.
This attack was about 1 hr northeast of Idaho Falls. The bears are aggressive here because they are not hunted. Last year we had 2 tags for a population of over 500 bears in the region. The feds shut down the hunt right before the opener because of a lawsuite from people who dont live in bear country. If you live where these bears thrive carry big pistols with solid slugs and practice .
Is a 5" 357 mag enough to rely on, 180 grain?
This question was in my mind also. As I have a 6” 357 with 180 gr xtp. Loaded pretty stout.
I have heard the argument that this is a better round than the 10mm?
I have never personally used a 10mm so I can’t speak about them.
Just curious as well.
Guns have protected men and women for centuries and have been the go to self defense item. "Guns, when you are to close for missiles".
Scat belt😂😂 sounds like something Boe jiden should wear
I’ve always had good luck training with hardcast through my XDm Elite 4.5”. Zero issues.
460 Rowland is the best!! Thanks for sharing this update.
460 Rowland wasn't used here.
@@vlogfriendsutopia I know that but Chuke talked about his. Did you listen to the video?
@@triggerbarPhD I did. He mentioned that at the end. I am also a big fan of the 460 Rowland.
I live in N ID, and bullet selection is MORE important than caliber!! I appreciate you mentioning bullet construction, and I would love to know exactly what these guys were using in their guns. So many guys, even the majority of guys, just think because they have a 10 mm, they can load anything in it, ball, hollow points, and it'll work just fine. They are delusional! I would rather have a 38 special with a hardcast semi wadcutter, then a 10 mm with ball or hollow points in it. Ball rounds are soft lead, with thin jackets. They are NOT "bear rounds". With the right placement they MAY still work, but if you're going to bother to buy a 10mm, or you're using a 45 ACP, for God sakes get the right ammo. And it doesn't have to be maximum loaded fire-breathing rounds either. A well-constructed hardcast at at 900-1000 fps, will do just fine. You are far better off with a more moderately loaded round, that you can control for multiple shots. I see guys that buy a 20 round box of expensive hot ammo, and never practice with it. The amount of guys that can actually control a 454 Casull with hot ammo, or even a 10 mm with hot ammo, for quick multiple shots, is a very tiny percentage. Check your ego at the door of your gun shop, and get some ammo that will do the job for YOU, and shoot some of it so you know what to expect.
I recognize these words as from someone with actual firearm training and experience. You are dropping knowledge in this comment.
Great video chuke I think that black bears are worse this year been several conflicts recently in Tennessee. I think alot the problem is the people not giving them space of course Idaho was different keep up the great work
These kids were experienced hunters and did everything right, but in Idaho we have got a lot of move-in mostly from California they like to get out in the outdoors, but do not understand what they’re facing. It’s even been a problem in the subdivision in Northeast Idaho. People are calling and having the bear dispatchby fish and game.
@@Tk.utelab we have the same problem in Montana now and I think that's the problem down south too me and my family moved from Tennessee and next spring we are moving to Wyoming my daughter got accepted by university of Wyoming so we are leaving Montana because it's filling up with liberals thank you for your comment I agree 100%