The original plot was originally going to be a Terminator style plot where Madame Web was trying to stop Ezekiel from killing a pregnant Mary Parker so she wouldn’t give birth to Peter Parker AKA Spider-Man
That sound way more better storyline and way more sense becuase with the amout of villain that Spiderman face, you would think there a villain that would go to the past and try to kill his parents....
It's shocking Sony has never tried a Black Cat movie, given of all the Spider-Man universe characters she COULD make a movie without him. A super hero heist thriller, and unlike Kraven her entire existence is not dependent on Spider-Man existing to work.
Honestly knowing how studios work, I would not be surprised if the reason why Sony doesn't do a black cat movie is because she would be constantly compared to Catwoman who's a way more popular and recognizable character. This would cause multiple issues ranging from Warner Brothers being aggressive towards Sony to the point of possibly actually suing to, especially if any fault in the movie people comparing it to the Halle Berry Catwoman movie. And that's actually why they don't want to touch it. And it kind of makes sense now even though it's still dumb why they're going after mostly unknown villains that have no connections to other villain types that are popular because that way they can succeed and fail on their own merit rather than being compared to a way more popular thing. Kind of like now, even though there have been sassy superheroes since the beginning anytime. There's a jokey character, especially if they're violent. Everyone immediately compares them to Deadpool because that character is hugely popular and thus was everyone's introduction to that archetype.
@jordanwhite352 Sure, unlike 'Madame Web', the movie that is literally being compared to 'The Marvels'. It just makes no sense, if Sony is considering even unknown characters like Hypno Hustler, it's a no-brainer to not make a Black Cat movie. At least people will recognize her.
I’ll never forget how the people making Morbius trailer gave so little of a shit about Spider-Man that they had references from all three of the live action Spider-Men. You had a screenshot of the Rami suit from the PS4 game. The Oscorp tower from the TASM movies in the background. And the word murderer graffitied over the previous Rami suit screenshot. Even though that was a reference to the ending of Far From Home aka the MCU Spider-Man. And then none of those references were in the final film because Sony had to quickly make it a multiverse related issue once No Way Home released because Sony couldn’t even be bothered to coordinate with Marvel as to how both of these universes are going to pan out. They literally do their own thing. Them see what Marvel’s doing at the time that gives them a billion dollars. Then quickly rush out the same thing hoping that their film will not flop twice in theatres. My god.
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Sony & Marvel’s current relationship is the equivalent to you doing a test, but the person sitting next to you keeps leaning over to see your answers even if they don’t know if they’re right or not. Sony keeps looking over Marvel’s shoulder to see what they’re doing even if it conflicts the with what they originally planned.
To me Venom was lightning in a bottle was it perfect no but it was still enjoyable well to me it was and I think Venom worked (once) was because Venom has a fanbase with his own storylines, villains, characters
Venom is a good guy in the comics right now and there’s enough there to make a movie There isn’t enough there to make a f*ing Morbius movie. Madame Web could’ve worked cause of how many Spider-People there are and how tight Madame Web is to the lore of the Spider-Verse but they fumbled that movie so much
@@ColdTRexhonestly Considering how Venom is meant to be a parallel to Spider-Man they should have embraced making Venom the dark and edgy stand in for Spider-Man and make Kraven and morbius Venom villains instead of Spider-Man villains
This is proof that unlike everything people said last year about how audiences only want the best of the best movies and that's why many movies last year floped, audiences actually like movies that are full of problems but if they had something that they like the forget about those problems. "Is Venom a good movie? No. But I like the character of Venom so I don't mind"
Venom & Eddie have a good dynamic, you literally cannot have one without the other. It just makes it more interesting to watch than just one character with no strong relationships to anyone else. Plus Venom was more comedic, and easier to enjoy.
Bc venom was cheesy and gay and stuff actually happens so it’s naturally better than the boring nothings that morbius and madame web (although that one gets points for being so sexy) were
Cause Sony wants their own cinematic universe and the only IP they have is Spiderman, yet they couldn't use Tom Holland's Spiderman in any of their movies because that would mean EVERYTHING they make being directly tied to the MCU and its lore. For example, if Tom Holland's Peter Parker showed up in Morbius, that would mean Morbius canonically experienced the Thanos snap and he is aware of the Avengers and other MCU events. At that point, it's no longer Sony's cinematic universe, it's just a part of the Disney's MCU and Sony's movies would just be absorbed into the MCU. This is why Sony is trying to build a Spiderman cinematic universe WITHOUT Spiderman, and it's even more stupid than it sounds. If they wanted their Spiderman cinematic universe to work, they need to either bite the bullet and recast Tom Holland, or cast another actor to be Spiderman in their own cinematic universe, separated from Tom Holland and the MCU. The worst part is that Sony has Miles Morales right there. Just make him the face of the Sony's Spiderman universe and leave Tom Holland to be the MCU's Spiderman.
Yeah, Marvel you mean? Yep, nowadays, at least! They used to be so good and now they can't even get people to go and see them, and they can't even make a profit anymore, leading to them slowing down on the MCU releases and we're only getting one them this year! What a shame, bro!
Honestly, it depends on who's writing him. Definitely not how the character debuted and he's gone through multiple arcs and interpretations, which is why the best comparison to venom would probably be Batman's joker who has also had wildly different interpretations from harmless prankster to insane a massive murderer and everything in between.
I find it sad that these are made so that Disney doesn’t take control of the deal they made with Sony to take Spider-Man to the MCU. If Sony keeps making movies like this, they’ll eventually have to give Disney the full control of Spider-Man and all characters related to him.
Yeah, I believe Sony needs to make a Spiderman related movie every so often, (I'm not sure if it has to be live action.) If they don't Spiderman goes back to marvel. Sony just can't sit on Spiderman and do nothing.
@@galaxytruth2823that Marvel spiderman 2017 cartoon was pretty bad. And I don’t think anyone talks about Spidey and his amazing friends the preschool show.
Fun fact: Morbius was teased as early as the first Blade movie (in an alternate ending), but the reason he never appeared in the Blade trilogy was because they wanted to make a solo film about him. Good call.
It seems that the plan might've been to make a Madame Web movie first and THEN make spin-offs/sequels starring the three Spider-Women in their own adventures. But given how they didn't even went with that plan and the movie flopped, don't expect to see any of the three in later films.
I don’t know why Sony thought they could make a Spider-Man universe, WITHOUT FRIGGIN SPIDER-MAN. I mean, that’s like making John wick movies, without John wi- oh wait, they are doing that
Tbf the John Wick universe is a lot more interesting without John wick than Spider-Man villains are without Spider-Man. There’s a reason morbius and kraven are called “spider-man villains” because there is nothing to care about without spider-man, you can’t have the villain without hero, while in John wick there are plenty of other characters for the creators to expand upon.
Imagine this instead. "Damn, pretty sinister of you." "...say that again." "Pretty sinister of you" "Guys, I know what to name our team." *cuts to black* SINI6TER
Venom and Morbius are more famous for being Spider-Man villains but sometimes they do act like Anti-heroes and even team up with Spider-Man. The same can’t be said about Kraven but he's more of a villain in the majority of his appearances in media
The same definitely cant be said about Kraven. Maybe about Kraven's son who had less of a rivalry with Spider-Man, but og Kraven is a villain though and though. Its by far the most absurd choice of character to get a sólo movie for. And yet, it does look like its going to be better than Morbius and Madame Web convined. Which isnt saying much, but it would at least break Sony's awful track récord.
What's worst is that this could have been Sony's own Doctor Strange style movie, a film full of spectacular visuals, deal with dimensions and even have magic fights in the same vein as Harry Potter/Lord of Rings with monsters out of this world.... but this movie doesnt even know what to be: - is this a comedy? Then the jokes are nowhere funny - is this an adventure? If so, then its the most boring adventure ever since they go to just a few places in New York on a stolen Taxi throughout the movie and going from USA to Peru in a matter of minutes. - is this supposed to be a drama? Then Dakota Johnson cant make you feel empathy for the character. - is this a horror movie? The only horror is how atrocious the CGI is
Exactly. They had the chance to make a 'Final Destination' movie with Madame Web showing up in visions to Spider-Woman guiding pregnant Mary Parker to escape Morlun from devouring her baby. Spider-Woman getting to see multiple universes through the web of destiny like Spiderverse animation did, would've been awesome.
@zingspooderman2697 I actually vehemently disagree with you on that - even taking into account that it's one-half of a much longer movie, Across the SpiderVerse is good, even excellent and was definitely one of my favourite movies of 2023. But I guess it's not surprising that there's a dark secret behind WHY it looks so good. In conclusion, there's a lesson somewhere in this: every time you receive a high-quality product, ALWAYS assume that actual blood was shed in making it.
I've seen it and I'll be honest, it was a massive letdown. The action wasn't terrible and there were some scenes that I liked. But the characters were dull, the main teen leads were annoying, the villain was bland and forgettable and Madame Webb's powers were underwhelming. The music wasn't awful and it had a decent soundtrack. But it was overall a "meh" movie. The most redeeming quality was the special effects. It's a bad movie but at least it isn't Morbius. Wonka was a decent movie in comparison but when compared to Madame Webb, a lot of the scenes and characters were forgettable too and none of the songs are all that memorable to me either. But it was a better experience overall though. Still liked the Canterville Ghost more though.
The idea of Spider-Man just having his entire rogues gallery in several movies and cinematic universes that he can't show up in but it doesn't matter since they're all good people is super funny to me.
I think my biggest dissapointment with the firdt Venim movie was that all the symbiotes died except, Venom and Riot, they could've easily turned the others into villains for more movies and made even more money
A personal issue I have with a lot of these “comic book films”nowadays is that they don’t seem to go full comic book. It’s like just because it’s live action it always has to fit into the real world. I want to see the full comic side in live action. Goofy costumes and all lol as long as it has good writing and all that other jazz then it’s perfectly fine imo. Now that’s not to say the comic book films that try the more realistic approach can’t be good. Joker for example didn’t necessarily feel like a straight up comic book movie to me but is still really good. Lately I’ve been preferring watching animated series over live action because it’s like the comics brought to life basically. Spider-Man (2002) is a great example of what I consider a comic brought to life in live action, it gives me that feel.
The funny thing is, going full comic book like invisible would be the most original idea now. Since there’s never been an accurate live action comic book movie
@@randomgamer625 Exactly and it’s really that simple to me. I know live action and animation are different but I honestly wish they would take more notes from the animated side. Sometimes I watch the shows and think “if they would just do this but in live action it would be great”.
@@kang6914 eh, animation can make anything look good due to the nature that you can do whatever you want with no limitations. What pisses me off however is that for some ungodly reason we as a society have this mentality that “art” isn’t valid until it’s live action No matter how legendary shows like Ben 10, static shock, Batman beyond, generator Rex, gravity falls and more. There never accepted until there live action for some reason and it’s sad to see that honestly
@@randomgamer625 I totally agree I’ve literally been saying the same about animation, it always seems to be this stigma like it can’t be taken as serious and just genuinely great content compared to live action. I personally enjoy it just as much if not more at times. I also agree animation can pull off things that sometimes live action can’t or may not be as believable.
I remember back when Josh Trank made Fant4stic. On one hand, it tries to be a gritty body horror film (which feels so out of place for Fantastic Four). On the other, Fox interfered just so they can make the movie copy the MCU (which makes it more bland, derivative and tonally clashing the edginess). Both ideas end up shit and people outright forgot about the movie besides the terrible quality.
The first Venom is a gay romcom about how the crazy couple of Eddie and Venom got together Venom Let There Be Carnage is about Eddie and Venom officially coming out as gay, and them confronting a serial killer couple that has a relationship just like them And Venom The Last Dance will be the final film where Eddie will finally have to confront Venom's father to get the approval to marry him and having to fight his siblings to do so
I love the Morbius memes as much as the next man but it wasn't until this video that I realised why they came about in the first place; the film is vacuous. There's just nothing there except a great hammy performance from Matt Smith and some decent horror sequences. I personally expect Kraven to underperform due to the lack of audience interest in the character, Venom 3 to probably succeed off the back of Tom Hardy and hopefully Sony will realise these films aren't landing with audiences and will just continue with the Spider-Verse films. Great video btw and so happy to see you jumping back into video essays.
To be fair to the Kraven movie, the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon also turned Kraven into an animal lover who turns into a lion furry... for some reason.
@@ClassifiedRanTom What do you mean disagree? He was an animal lover in that show and he also turned into a lion man. Those both happened, regardless of the reason. That's most likely what Sony is looking at for the movie.
Kraven is by far the most absurd of these movies because at least venom and morbius are actually anti-hero’s in the books and have actual solo runs to take from… (not that it was done well).. but kraven so reliant on Spider-Man as a character and is straight up fucked in the head that the anti-hero route with him really don’t make any sense.
8:00 My stance on the Venom movies is that they know they’re not great movies, so they have fun, where something like Morbius takes itself way too seriously and is just boring, the Venom movies are fun bad and that’s frankly all I could ask for out of a venom movie without spiderman
8:49 the venom movies are actually good because they take inspiration from the lethal protector comics from the 80’s Venom 2 especially takes from the 80’s and actually talks like Venom
6:45 And then I guess Sony changed their mind about the whole "Madame Web is a separate Earth", because now the Earth Madame Web takes place in is officially the same Earth as the Venom movies, Morbius, and Kraven, Earth-688 (thank you ATSV).
I just love how Sony tried to force themselves into the MCU at the end of Venom 2, but Marvel just whipped around and made Eddie Brock fuck off back home instantly
So take this with a grain of salt since this is a rumor and a rumor. I hopefully doesn’t come to fruition there might be a uncle Ben movie I don’t even know what they’re gonna do with him in that movie but already thinking about it ain’t gonna be great. Think Sony has gone for them is the spiderverse third movie comes out they got nothing they just stick to because somehow they’re much more better at that than making movies. Also there’s a really give back to Spider-Man rights to Marvel because they’re trying to do like a Multiverse thing and the fourth movie which doesn’t make sense since the third movie revolved around the Multiverse. At what Marvel‘s approach more of a grounded, Spider-Man movie the concept is that Spider-Man is trying to stop the kingpin because he’s trying to ban superheroes in New York and he teams up with the scorpion
I still don't fully get the deal lol. So Sony can't use Spider-Man at all? Not even Miles Morales? Is that why Madam Web never put on the costume? It was too Spidery?
I loved that moment in madame Webb where she takes an ambulance drives off a two story parking lot hits the villain does a backflip with the vehicle gets out unharmed and says “it’s all about the web of family” everyone erupted in applause and laughter, truly a moment of cinema.
I heard that originally, riot, the evil venom of the first movie, was meant to be a twist. That whole six months thing was actually meant to happen much earlier in the movie, like RIGHT AFTER the title. The whole thing about the bad guy being obsessed with finding the alien and saying “we” with the bunny experiment was meant to be hints that he was bonded to Riot and the “where’s venom” scene was meant to be the “big reveal” and the explanation. Apparently, the reason why it was changed was because test audiences founded to predictable and the filmmakers chose to go in a “tensioning building route” instead.
1. We honestly owe Morbius an apology after Madam Web. 2. Could you make a video (or videos) of how you'd fix the Sony verse (and maybe make it canon in the mcu?)
It's like with every gem that Sony puts out (Spiderverse, The Spider-Man Home movies), there's always the trash that comes along with it (Madame Web, Morbius)
Highlights: 0:00 Begin 0:47 When something is not liked like the other 2:10 The Dreamsequence was a Lie 3:25 Live-Action Spideyverse (Scrapped) 4:13 Who? 4:57 Meme 6:13 Perfect Example 7:10 Best Recap 8:22 Tom Hardy 9:06 "I am out of the Eddie Closet" 9:35 Minecraft Meme 11:10 Ending
I think it's hilarious that the only cinematic universe, other than the MCU, that is successful and still going strong, is the Monsterverse. Motherfucking Godzilla
I think it's because of how straightforward and sparse it is, like, 2 godzilla movies, 1 kong movie and 2 godzilla and kong movies, most of which work as standalone films
MCU succesfull? Maybe till endgame. Anything that comes under this franchise owned by this woke rat is shit nowdays expect spidey, guardians 3 and loki. But those are 3 things out of pile of bad ones
Toei will make a hard deal to introduce the best Japanese Spider-Man ever to Sony! But they can make amends as they please, since both are Japanese corps.
I mean, venom's had a whole villain-to-hero-to-villain-to-Buzz-Lightyear-to-hero thing in the comics, and Morbius surprisingly enough is also often portrayed as a sympathetic character more than you'd think, but trying to make Emo Gaston into an antihero is next level insane
The part that aggravates me the most is there's an entire way this whole thing could work that Sony is not doing because they give so little shits that they haven't even looked at the comics that they own the rights to. All they simply need to do to glue everything together besides obviously have better quality is to make and adoption of the Gold Goblin in Tony McGuire's Spider-Man universe. For those of you who don't know, there's been a recent comic series called Gold Goblin, where an older Norman Osborne has been cured of his insanity for the most part and now wants to atone for all of his crimes and chaos reconfiguring his villain style into a hero style called Gold Goblin and works with Peter and his allies who he has to constantly earn their trust in order to do actual good in the world while struggling with the fallout of decades of consequences to his own actions. They already established in no way home spoilers. I guess that Norman had been cured by the MCU Spider-Man and went back to his original timeline. Considering we don't know anything really about that timeline. Besides, everyone is older, imagine a movie starring Willem Dafoe with the same plot premise and Peter returning Tobey Maguire who is in a Tony stark-like position in his universe and he is helping Norman to be this new hero. Then you have all these other movies based on Spider-Man's villains and how they network together with shadowy stuff behind the scenes until you have a Gold Goblin sequel worth, they have to fight the multiuniversal Sinister Six. Every plot thing that they've done and are trying to do is right. Goddamn there handed to them on a silver platter and the scenario would be a new unique twist. It has all the nostalgia potential that no way home has visiting a fan favorite retro nostalgic universe, but the characters have now aged over time. Continuing plot threads from multiple current and past things. It would be perfect. Sony has to be a shitty company only being out competed by Warner Brothers and we're in the current hell that were in.
Actually morbius, at least in the ultimate timeline, is a vampire that stops more evil vampires and tries to save those who are almost on the verge of turning into one
To be fair Venom hasn't really been a villain for a long time. As far as I know the last time he was actually a villain was when Mac Gargan had him but I feel that was more of Mac being a villain. I guess there was the whole thing with Lee who forced Venom to do some bad stuff but I don't know if he was a straight up villain during that time
I was excited for Kraven despite the changes they made. Aaron Taylor Johnson is a great actor, and I think he could do well in the role. After Madame Web though, I don’t know if I can confidently say I’m interested. Might wait until it’s on streaming or whatever
It would be cooler if they made it like a villain origin story. Maybe Kraven starts off as a genuinely nice guy before his killings eventually make him desensitised to violence and he slowly becomes more evil.
Venom is a but more of a anti-hero due having his own spinoff comics going back to the 90s. He one of the more popular Spiderman characters. The only other character that can probably carry her own movie is black cat. No other character needs a movie.
I don’t like the idea of a black cat movie unless they can figure out how to make a heist or spy movie interesting Aka the tropes where everything goes wrong but it’s actually revealed to be part of an over the top plan
Fun fact: just like at 10:54, the same Vtuber company Hololive did another Sony Spider-manless Spider-man interview but with the main lead of Madam Web like a few weeks ago
I went to see Madame Web almost right after school and thank the lord I was with my friends because we just made web puns throughout the whole runtime and the since we were like 3 of 5 people in the theater we could laugh as loud as we wanted.
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The original plot was originally going to be a Terminator style plot where Madame Web was trying to stop Ezekiel from killing a pregnant Mary Parker so she wouldn’t give birth to Peter Parker AKA Spider-Man
Exactly why wasn’t that the plot
That sound way more better storyline and way more sense becuase with the amout of villain that Spiderman face, you would think there a villain that would go to the past and try to kill his parents....
And I’m guessing the three girls will help her out?
@@UltimateNut Probably
I still think it would’ve been bad, but it would’ve been fun bad! Like venom! Why couldn’t we have gotten that fun bad movie!
Venorbius Web 7: Let there Be Madame Morb
What fuck is that
@@jirttthebirtt702 a masterpiece of cinema. Basically the Avengers: Endgame of this Sony Spider-Man universe series.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The movie of all time
An award winning for the most moviest of all time
The best part of Madame Web was when she decided it might be an action movie and drove an ambulance through a 2nd story wall
And then the bad guy purposely jumped into it
And was crushed by a Pepsi sign
@@Alf-gm7tfshe was crushed by a Pepsi sign? Awesome
Madame Web is what everyone was afraid of Venom being. Like the fact that the full suit was only going to show up for a couple of minutes.
Can't wait for El muerto where El muerto gets bitten by a wrestler and fights an evil wrestler with similar powers
And a Rhino movie where Rhino is bitten by a Rhino and has to fight an evil Rhino with basically the exact same set of powers
Chemillion movie Boutta be lit
And Electro, where he gets bit by evil electricity and fights his evil rival with the same exact powers.
@@Astrojet481 and hypno-hustler!!!!!! 🕺🏿🕺🏿🕺🏿🕺🏿🪩🪩
@@theyamformerreborn706rhinos in kraven lol
It's shocking Sony has never tried a Black Cat movie, given of all the Spider-Man universe characters she COULD make a movie without him. A super hero heist thriller, and unlike Kraven her entire existence is not dependent on Spider-Man existing to work.
Honestly knowing how studios work, I would not be surprised if the reason why Sony doesn't do a black cat movie is because she would be constantly compared to Catwoman who's a way more popular and recognizable character. This would cause multiple issues ranging from Warner Brothers being aggressive towards Sony to the point of possibly actually suing to, especially if any fault in the movie people comparing it to the Halle Berry Catwoman movie. And that's actually why they don't want to touch it. And it kind of makes sense now even though it's still dumb why they're going after mostly unknown villains that have no connections to other villain types that are popular because that way they can succeed and fail on their own merit rather than being compared to a way more popular thing. Kind of like now, even though there have been sassy superheroes since the beginning anytime. There's a jokey character, especially if they're violent. Everyone immediately compares them to Deadpool because that character is hugely popular and thus was everyone's introduction to that archetype.
@jordanwhite352
Sure, unlike 'Madame Web', the movie that is literally being compared to 'The Marvels'. It just makes no sense, if Sony is considering even unknown characters like Hypno Hustler, it's a no-brainer to not make a Black Cat movie. At least people will recognize her.
I heard they wanted to make one back in the 2010s, but after The Amazing Spider-Man 2 underperformed, it was eventually scrapped.
Don’t give them any ideas, it will end poorly
There's a plan actually. It's called Black & Silver where she teamed up with Silver Sable. They even got the director but it got scrapped.
why don't Sony realize that if Eddie and Venom murdered a bus load of children we would still root for him because we like him lol
I didn’t know it existed until it failed
dont give them ideas
@@nitroniumninja9257 it would be funny as fuck, so hopefully they listen to my idea, lmao
I’m inclined to believe that’s a more Carnage thing to do but I’m down with them just tossing a bus like it’s a tennis match
@@ryon5174 i want venom to destroy a bus because it's the one venom by eminem starts on
I’ll never forget how the people making Morbius trailer gave so little of a shit about Spider-Man that they had references from all three of the live action Spider-Men. You had a screenshot of the Rami suit from the PS4 game. The Oscorp tower from the TASM movies in the background. And the word murderer graffitied over the previous Rami suit screenshot. Even though that was a reference to the ending of Far From Home aka the MCU Spider-Man. And then none of those references were in the final film because Sony had to quickly make it a multiverse related issue once No Way Home released because Sony couldn’t even be bothered to coordinate with Marvel as to how both of these universes are going to pan out. They literally do their own thing. Them see what Marvel’s doing at the time that gives them a billion dollars. Then quickly rush out the same thing hoping that their film will not flop twice in theatres. My god.
even now Sony is meddling with Spider-Man 4 where Disney wants it street level while Sony wants it NWH 2.0
@@theamazingspooderman2697
Sony & Marvel’s current relationship is the equivalent to you doing a test, but the person sitting next to you keeps leaning over to see your answers even if they don’t know if they’re right or not. Sony keeps looking over Marvel’s shoulder to see what they’re doing even if it conflicts the with what they originally planned.
@@theamazingspooderman2697 If that's true, I'm kinda shocked considering Disney wouldn't even let Moon Knight be street level anymore.
To me Venom was lightning in a bottle was it perfect no but it was still enjoyable well to me it was and I think Venom worked (once) was because Venom has a fanbase with his own storylines, villains, characters
Venom is a good guy in the comics right now and there’s enough there to make a movie
There isn’t enough there to make a f*ing Morbius movie.
Madame Web could’ve worked cause of how many Spider-People there are and how tight Madame Web is to the lore of the Spider-Verse but they fumbled that movie so much
@@ColdTRexhonestly Considering how Venom is meant to be a parallel to Spider-Man they should have embraced making Venom the dark and edgy stand in for Spider-Man and make Kraven and morbius Venom villains instead of Spider-Man villains
This is proof that unlike everything people said last year about how audiences only want the best of the best movies and that's why many movies last year floped, audiences actually like movies that are full of problems but if they had something that they like the forget about those problems. "Is Venom a good movie? No. But I like the character of Venom so I don't mind"
Venom & Eddie have a good dynamic, you literally cannot have one without the other. It just makes it more interesting to watch than just one character with no strong relationships to anyone else. Plus Venom was more comedic, and easier to enjoy.
Bc venom was cheesy and gay and stuff actually happens so it’s naturally better than the boring nothings that morbius and madame web (although that one gets points for being so sexy) were
it's genuinely impressive how they manage to make consistently horrible movies
Cause Sony wants their own cinematic universe and the only IP they have is Spiderman, yet they couldn't use Tom Holland's Spiderman in any of their movies because that would mean EVERYTHING they make being directly tied to the MCU and its lore. For example, if Tom Holland's Peter Parker showed up in Morbius, that would mean Morbius canonically experienced the Thanos snap and he is aware of the Avengers and other MCU events. At that point, it's no longer Sony's cinematic universe, it's just a part of the Disney's MCU and Sony's movies would just be absorbed into the MCU.
This is why Sony is trying to build a Spiderman cinematic universe WITHOUT Spiderman, and it's even more stupid than it sounds. If they wanted their Spiderman cinematic universe to work, they need to either bite the bullet and recast Tom Holland, or cast another actor to be Spiderman in their own cinematic universe, separated from Tom Holland and the MCU. The worst part is that Sony has Miles Morales right there. Just make him the face of the Sony's Spiderman universe and leave Tom Holland to be the MCU's Spiderman.
@@Aliens1337 so......just use a different actor for Spider-Man
Whoa buddy, don’t diss venom
Yeah, Marvel you mean? Yep, nowadays, at least! They used to be so good and now they can't even get people to go and see them, and they can't even make a profit anymore, leading to them slowing down on the MCU releases and we're only getting one them this year! What a shame, bro!
MOVIE GARBAGE.
Fun fact. Comic Venom/Eddie is extremely goofy and a bit aloof. And more so a troll who likes to mess with Spiderman without being necessarily evil.
So basically Reverse Flash but less petty
@@TKG-King-Moe Kinda. Though a looooot less evil. And a lot more easily manipulated into thinking Spiderman is bad lol
@@Nightxx9199 true true
Honestly, it depends on who's writing him. Definitely not how the character debuted and he's gone through multiple arcs and interpretations, which is why the best comparison to venom would probably be Batman's joker who has also had wildly different interpretations from harmless prankster to insane a massive murderer and everything in between.
Doesn't make the movies good, just pathetically accurate. Source material isn't always the best.
I took two other friends to watch Madame Web, I don’t think they like me anymore
I hope you can make it up to them somehow
just make them Avengers Infinity War Or Endgame....they would probably start to like you again....i have experience.
I find it sad that these are made so that Disney doesn’t take control of the deal they made with Sony to take Spider-Man to the MCU. If Sony keeps making movies like this, they’ll eventually have to give Disney the full control of Spider-Man and all characters related to him.
Wait what?
Yeah, I believe Sony needs to make a Spiderman related movie every so often, (I'm not sure if it has to be live action.) If they don't Spiderman goes back to marvel. Sony just can't sit on Spiderman and do nothing.
Like Disney is also any better handling spiderman
@@galaxytruth2823that Marvel spiderman 2017 cartoon was pretty bad. And I don’t think anyone talks about Spidey and his amazing friends the preschool show.
They are actually@@galaxytruth2823
The Marvel Sonymatic Universe truly was the movie series of all time
Fun fact: Morbius was teased as early as the first Blade movie (in an alternate ending), but the reason he never appeared in the Blade trilogy was because they wanted to make a solo film about him.
Good call.
Why didn't they just make a Spider-Woman movie with one of the three??? Boggles the mind, I tells ya
It seems that the plan might've been to make a Madame Web movie first and THEN make spin-offs/sequels starring the three Spider-Women in their own adventures.
But given how they didn't even went with that plan and the movie flopped, don't expect to see any of the three in later films.
I noticed that Sony always look like they're afraid to make any connections or reference with Spider-Man in their SSU movies.
when michael showed up in Madame Web i stood up and bought 15 more tickets. incredible scene
when dakota johnson exclaimed “it’s madame webbing time” i came in the theater
Did you go there or...... You know, do the deed?
@@bakalbumiarkanubawa9042he came
Bro... i think you're goin 2 jail...
@birdoven574 Don't act like you didn't think of it aswell
@@bakalbumiarkanubawa9042 No I do not want to go to jail!!!!!!1!!! 😭
Love how edgy they wanted Venom to be. But then by force of will, it became a superhero rom-com.
I don’t know why Sony thought they could make a Spider-Man universe, WITHOUT FRIGGIN SPIDER-MAN. I mean, that’s like making John wick movies, without John wi- oh wait, they are doing that
Tbf the John Wick universe is a lot more interesting without John wick than Spider-Man villains are without Spider-Man. There’s a reason morbius and kraven are called “spider-man villains” because there is nothing to care about without spider-man, you can’t have the villain without hero, while in John wick there are plenty of other characters for the creators to expand upon.
@@iamahiphopfan3759well said, I 100% agree, I just used John wick for the sake of the joke
"What are we, some kind of Sinister Squad?"
Imagine this instead.
"Damn, pretty sinister of you."
"...say that again."
"Pretty sinister of you"
"Guys, I know what to name our team."
*cuts to black*
SINI6TER
“So what are we, some kind of sinister six”
Venom and Morbius are more famous for being Spider-Man villains but sometimes they do act like Anti-heroes and even team up with Spider-Man. The same can’t be said about Kraven but he's more of a villain in the majority of his appearances in media
The same definitely cant be said about Kraven. Maybe about Kraven's son who had less of a rivalry with Spider-Man, but og Kraven is a villain though and though. Its by far the most absurd choice of character to get a sólo movie for. And yet, it does look like its going to be better than Morbius and Madame Web convined. Which isnt saying much, but it would at least break Sony's awful track récord.
What's worst is that this could have been Sony's own Doctor Strange style movie, a film full of spectacular visuals, deal with dimensions and even have magic fights in the same vein as Harry Potter/Lord of Rings with monsters out of this world.... but this movie doesnt even know what to be:
- is this a comedy? Then the jokes are nowhere funny
- is this an adventure? If so, then its the most boring adventure ever since they go to just a few places in New York on a stolen Taxi throughout the movie and going from USA to Peru in a matter of minutes.
- is this supposed to be a drama? Then Dakota Johnson cant make you feel empathy for the character.
- is this a horror movie? The only horror is how atrocious the CGI is
Exactly. They had the chance to make a 'Final Destination' movie with Madame Web showing up in visions to Spider-Woman guiding pregnant Mary Parker to escape Morlun from devouring her baby. Spider-Woman getting to see multiple universes through the web of destiny like Spiderverse animation did, would've been awesome.
Didn't Sony not pay the animators in Across the SpiderVerse? Even when they make good movies, they make terrible decisions.
yeah a lot of animators even left, I also wouldn't call ATSV that good of a movie
@@theamazingspooderman2697Nah, it’s pretty good.
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Nah, it’s pretty good
@zingspooderman2697 I actually vehemently disagree with you on that - even taking into account that it's one-half of a much longer movie, Across the SpiderVerse is good, even excellent and was definitely one of my favourite movies of 2023. But I guess it's not surprising that there's a dark secret behind WHY it looks so good.
In conclusion, there's a lesson somewhere in this: every time you receive a high-quality product, ALWAYS assume that actual blood was shed in making it.
@@terancetan5503 it's not that hard to not exploit workers y'know
I've seen it and I'll be honest, it was a massive letdown. The action wasn't terrible and there were some scenes that I liked. But the characters were dull, the main teen leads were annoying, the villain was bland and forgettable and Madame Webb's powers were underwhelming. The music wasn't awful and it had a decent soundtrack. But it was overall a "meh" movie. The most redeeming quality was the special effects. It's a bad movie but at least it isn't Morbius.
Wonka was a decent movie in comparison but when compared to Madame Webb, a lot of the scenes and characters were forgettable too and none of the songs are all that memorable to me either. But it was a better experience overall though.
Still liked the Canterville Ghost more though.
The idea of Spider-Man just having his entire rogues gallery in several movies and cinematic universes that he can't show up in but it doesn't matter since they're all good people is super funny to me.
I don't think Sony should keep the Spiderman license anymore.
In another timeline, these movies would’ve been the Insomniac Spiderman games come to life. But instead we got Morbin Time.
I think my biggest dissapointment with the firdt Venim movie was that all the symbiotes died except, Venom and Riot, they could've easily turned the others into villains for more movies and made even more money
Especially since one of them was
Named scream according to the Sonys spider verse wiki
9:35 God damn it the friggin Minecraft eating edit got me XD
10:54 FUBUKI IN A DIAMONDBOLT VIDEO?! WHAT A CROSSOVER!!!
Fubuki Jumpscare
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A personal issue I have with a lot of these “comic book films”nowadays is that they don’t seem to go full comic book. It’s like just because it’s live action it always has to fit into the real world. I want to see the full comic side in live action. Goofy costumes and all lol as long as it has good writing and all that other jazz then it’s perfectly fine imo. Now that’s not to say the comic book films that try the more realistic approach can’t be good. Joker for example didn’t necessarily feel like a straight up comic book movie to me but is still really good. Lately I’ve been preferring watching animated series over live action because it’s like the comics brought to life basically. Spider-Man (2002) is a great example of what I consider a comic brought to life in live action, it gives me that feel.
The funny thing is, going full comic book like invisible would be the most original idea now. Since there’s never been an accurate live action comic book movie
@@randomgamer625 Exactly and it’s really that simple to me. I know live action and animation are different but I honestly wish they would take more notes from the animated side. Sometimes I watch the shows and think “if they would just do this but in live action it would be great”.
@@kang6914 eh, animation can make anything look good due to the nature that you can do whatever you want with no limitations. What pisses me off however is that for some ungodly reason we as a society have this mentality that “art” isn’t valid until it’s live action
No matter how legendary shows like Ben 10, static shock, Batman beyond, generator Rex, gravity falls and more. There never accepted until there live action for some reason and it’s sad to see that honestly
@@randomgamer625 I totally agree I’ve literally been saying the same about animation, it always seems to be this stigma like it can’t be taken as serious and just genuinely great content compared to live action. I personally enjoy it just as much if not more at times. I also agree animation can pull off things that sometimes live action can’t or may not be as believable.
I remember back when Josh Trank made Fant4stic. On one hand, it tries to be a gritty body horror film (which feels so out of place for Fantastic Four). On the other, Fox interfered just so they can make the movie copy the MCU (which makes it more bland, derivative and tonally clashing the edginess).
Both ideas end up shit and people outright forgot about the movie besides the terrible quality.
Describing the Venom movies as "gay rom-coms" is accurate
The first Venom is a gay romcom about how the crazy couple of Eddie and Venom got together
Venom Let There Be Carnage is about Eddie and Venom officially coming out as gay, and them confronting a serial killer couple that has a relationship just like them
And Venom The Last Dance will be the final film where Eddie will finally have to confront Venom's father to get the approval to marry him and having to fight his siblings to do so
I love the Morbius memes as much as the next man but it wasn't until this video that I realised why they came about in the first place; the film is vacuous. There's just nothing there except a great hammy performance from Matt Smith and some decent horror sequences. I personally expect Kraven to underperform due to the lack of audience interest in the character, Venom 3 to probably succeed off the back of Tom Hardy and hopefully Sony will realise these films aren't landing with audiences and will just continue with the Spider-Verse films. Great video btw and so happy to see you jumping back into video essays.
Apparently the origin of Kraven in the upcoming movie is seemingly taken (stolen) from DC's Catman.
Yes, seriously.
I wonder if WB will sue Sony. But more likely it won’t because it’s been peed over by David Zaslav.
I mean yeah… but I’m still gonna see Kraven opening weekend. KRAVEN SWEEP BABY
I am kraven to watch the Kraven Movie
I’m hoping someone makes a meme about the 90s Spiderman theme and revolve it around Kraven. Then replace radioactive spiderblood with lion blood.
KRAVEN SWEEP, KRAVEN SWEEP, KRAVEN SWEEP
I mean, it WILL be rated R.
I'm not gonna lie the movie looks decent. But i still won't watch it
Feeling like ass and just got let out from school to a new video, thanks man
5:53 WAIT WAIT WAIT IS THAT THE VENOM TOY YOU... i mean Jobby... REVIEWED ON THAT ONE APRIL FOOLS VIDEO IDEA?!?!?!
Holy shit I did NOT know that there was a Madame Web movie guess it bombed so hard no one talked about it
To be fair to the Kraven movie, the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon also turned Kraven into an animal lover who turns into a lion furry... for some reason.
yeah that episode was bad
Agree to disagree. Kraven was composited with Puma, hence why he was turned into a were feline .
@@ClassifiedRanTom What do you mean disagree? He was an animal lover in that show and he also turned into a lion man. Those both happened, regardless of the reason. That's most likely what Sony is looking at for the movie.
@@Bobb11881 I disagree that the episode is bad. (In response to theamazingspooderman2697)
@@theamazingspooderman2697I wouldn’t say the episode was bad, but the IDEA and CONCEPT definitely were, lol.
Kraven is by far the most absurd of these movies because at least venom and morbius are actually anti-hero’s in the books and have actual solo runs to take from… (not that it was done well).. but kraven so reliant on Spider-Man as a character and is straight up fucked in the head that the anti-hero route with him really don’t make any sense.
Where's my Emoji Movie Cinematic Universe?
I didn't even know Madame Web movie was coming out until a TH-cam ad popped up a week or two before the movie came out
I always thought that it was never about the quality, it was about keeping the license.
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My stance on the Venom movies is that they know they’re not great movies, so they have fun, where something like Morbius takes itself way too seriously and is just boring, the Venom movies are fun bad and that’s frankly all I could ask for out of a venom movie without spiderman
My thoughts exactly
0:23 That burn is so hot it turns radioactive
Kraven The Hunter is gonna make a Kravillion Dollars!
Kraven at least looks decent compared to Madame Web 🫤
8:49 the venom movies are actually good because they take inspiration from the lethal protector comics from the 80’s
Venom 2 especially takes from the 80’s and actually talks like Venom
6:45 And then I guess Sony changed their mind about the whole "Madame Web is a separate Earth", because now the Earth Madame Web takes place in is officially the same Earth as the Venom movies, Morbius, and Kraven, Earth-688 (thank you ATSV).
I just love how Sony tried to force themselves into the MCU at the end of Venom 2, but Marvel just whipped around and made Eddie Brock fuck off back home instantly
So take this with a grain of salt since this is a rumor and a rumor. I hopefully doesn’t come to fruition there might be a uncle Ben movie I don’t even know what they’re gonna do with him in that movie but already thinking about it ain’t gonna be great. Think Sony has gone for them is the spiderverse third movie comes out they got nothing they just stick to because somehow they’re much more better at that than making movies. Also there’s a really give back to Spider-Man rights to Marvel because they’re trying to do like a Multiverse thing and the fourth movie which doesn’t make sense since the third movie revolved around the Multiverse. At what Marvel‘s approach more of a grounded, Spider-Man movie the concept is that Spider-Man is trying to stop the kingpin because he’s trying to ban superheroes in New York and he teams up with the scorpion
I still don't fully get the deal lol. So Sony can't use Spider-Man at all? Not even Miles Morales? Is that why Madam Web never put on the costume? It was too Spidery?
I loved that moment in madame Webb where she takes an ambulance drives off a two story parking lot hits the villain does a backflip with the vehicle gets out unharmed and says “it’s all about the web of family” everyone erupted in applause and laughter, truly a moment of cinema.
9:34 That made my nose turn into an air compressor.
I heard that originally, riot, the evil venom of the first movie, was meant to be a twist.
That whole six months thing was actually meant to happen much earlier in the movie, like RIGHT AFTER the title. The whole thing about the bad guy being obsessed with finding the alien and saying “we” with the bunny experiment was meant to be hints that he was bonded to Riot and the “where’s venom” scene was meant to be the “big reveal” and the explanation.
Apparently, the reason why it was changed was because test audiences founded to predictable and the filmmakers chose to go in a “tensioning building route” instead.
1. We honestly owe Morbius an apology after Madam Web.
2. Could you make a video (or videos) of how you'd fix the Sony verse (and maybe make it canon in the mcu?)
It's like with every gem that Sony puts out (Spiderverse, The Spider-Man Home movies), there's always the trash that comes along with it (Madame Web, Morbius)
0:58 this edit was genius
Highlights:
0:00 Begin
0:47 When something is not liked like the other
2:10 The Dreamsequence was a Lie
3:25 Live-Action Spideyverse (Scrapped)
4:13 Who?
4:57 Meme
6:13 Perfect Example
7:10 Best Recap
8:22 Tom Hardy
9:06 "I am out of the Eddie Closet"
9:35 Minecraft Meme
11:10 Ending
I think it's hilarious that the only cinematic universe, other than the MCU, that is successful and still going strong, is the Monsterverse. Motherfucking Godzilla
I think it's because of how straightforward and sparse it is, like, 2 godzilla movies, 1 kong movie and 2 godzilla and kong movies, most of which work as standalone films
To be fair, people love giant creatures fighting each other in a big city lmao.
Successful isn't the right word, None of the MV have done that good at the box office and keep making less
Godzilla back in the showa era was also successful enough as well
MCU succesfull? Maybe till endgame. Anything that comes under this franchise owned by this woke rat is shit nowdays expect spidey, guardians 3 and loki. But those are 3 things out of pile of bad ones
I found you thank god i miss these channel
meanwhile Sony has yet to touch the goldmine that is Japanese Spider-Man along with his giant robot.
Toei will make a hard deal to introduce the best Japanese Spider-Man ever to Sony! But they can make amends as they please, since both are Japanese corps.
I mean, venom's had a whole villain-to-hero-to-villain-to-Buzz-Lightyear-to-hero thing in the comics, and Morbius surprisingly enough is also often portrayed as a sympathetic character more than you'd think, but trying to make Emo Gaston into an antihero is next level insane
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Get out of my Head
Get out of my head
Get out of my head
Making a Venom movie where he’s an anti-hero is honestly perfectly fine because Venom has been an anti-hero in the comics since the 90s
Dinkster daily is ending on March 19th :(
Fun fact:
El Muerto came out in only two issues of a backup story of Web of Spider-Man.
That's.
It.
Diamondbolt posting on my birthday
Perfect day
Happy birthday btw!
Happy Birthday!
Happy birthday!
Happy birthday!
For me, I watched alone with empty audiences
I hope they at least in the future, if they do a Spider-Man film, Madame Web will be older and comic-accurate.
The part that aggravates me the most is there's an entire way this whole thing could work that Sony is not doing because they give so little shits that they haven't even looked at the comics that they own the rights to. All they simply need to do to glue everything together besides obviously have better quality is to make and adoption of the Gold Goblin in Tony McGuire's Spider-Man universe. For those of you who don't know, there's been a recent comic series called Gold Goblin, where an older Norman Osborne has been cured of his insanity for the most part and now wants to atone for all of his crimes and chaos reconfiguring his villain style into a hero style called Gold Goblin and works with Peter and his allies who he has to constantly earn their trust in order to do actual good in the world while struggling with the fallout of decades of consequences to his own actions. They already established in no way home spoilers. I guess that Norman had been cured by the MCU Spider-Man and went back to his original timeline. Considering we don't know anything really about that timeline. Besides, everyone is older, imagine a movie starring Willem Dafoe with the same plot premise and Peter returning Tobey Maguire who is in a Tony stark-like position in his universe and he is helping Norman to be this new hero. Then you have all these other movies based on Spider-Man's villains and how they network together with shadowy stuff behind the scenes until you have a Gold Goblin sequel worth, they have to fight the multiuniversal Sinister Six. Every plot thing that they've done and are trying to do is right. Goddamn there handed to them on a silver platter and the scenario would be a new unique twist. It has all the nostalgia potential that no way home has visiting a fan favorite retro nostalgic universe, but the characters have now aged over time. Continuing plot threads from multiple current and past things. It would be perfect. Sony has to be a shitty company only being out competed by Warner Brothers and we're in the current hell that were in.
Actually morbius, at least in the ultimate timeline, is a vampire that stops more evil vampires and tries to save those who are almost on the verge of turning into one
yeah he even saved Spider-Man in their team up
To be fair Venom hasn't really been a villain for a long time. As far as I know the last time he was actually a villain was when Mac Gargan had him but I feel that was more of Mac being a villain. I guess there was the whole thing with Lee who forced Venom to do some bad stuff but I don't know if he was a straight up villain during that time
10:17 wait so it’s morbin time ISNT REAL!!! what next you’re going to tell me SANTA isn’t real as well??
How does Sony make the amazing Spider-Verse films but fail spectacularly everywhere else???
3:30 LMAO a big wheel movie. That'd be so stu-- DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS
it would be absolutely gold seeing diamond make an apology video
Karven will definitely be the cinematic masterpiece that we desire, I can't wait.
I can’t wait for the sinister six to all team up and not fight spiderman
Underrated TH-camrs go hard Ngl
4:12 this literally reads like that jontron video about the exorcist, that made me laugh from that reference
A wonderful day when Diamondbolt uploads. Especially when I am early.
I was excited for Kraven despite the changes they made. Aaron Taylor Johnson is a great actor, and I think he could do well in the role. After Madame Web though, I don’t know if I can confidently say I’m interested. Might wait until it’s on streaming or whatever
It would be cooler if they made it like a villain origin story.
Maybe Kraven starts off as a genuinely nice guy before his killings eventually make him desensitised to violence and he slowly becomes more evil.
5:01 OI I HAVE THAT SPIDER MAN ACTION FIGURE YOOOOOOOO
Venom is a but more of a anti-hero due having his own spinoff comics going back to the 90s. He one of the more popular Spiderman characters. The only other character that can probably carry her own movie is black cat. No other character needs a movie.
I don’t like the idea of a black cat movie unless they can figure out how to make a heist or spy movie interesting
Aka the tropes where everything goes wrong but it’s actually revealed to be part of an over the top plan
great video as always 👌
Venom and morbius eventually became anti heroes
Transition at 3:35 cleannnnnnn AF
Fun fact: just like at 10:54, the same Vtuber company Hololive did another Sony Spider-manless Spider-man interview but with the main lead of Madam Web like a few weeks ago
What are you talking about? Morbius is peak!?
Yay, a new Diamondbolt video at 6:42 in the morning!
9:34 😂😂😂😂 not the minecraft eating sound 😂😂😂😂
You know what these (minus venom) reminds me of? The shitty Catwoman movie where she gets cat powers from cat burp
I fucking love the editing on this one, specially love 9:23
Oh no... I'm only 10 seconds in & I'm getting ready for laughter-induced abdominal pains...
I don't think they were following the source material 🤔
I went to see Madame Web almost right after school and thank the lord I was with my friends because we just made web puns throughout the whole runtime and the since we were like 3 of 5 people in the theater we could laugh as loud as we wanted.
can you do reviewing every 2023 movie i seen
I still stand by the venom films being a pure cheesy popcorn flicks .