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So I thought it was finally time to revisit the Mig-29 and show her some love, I think she gets a bad rep because shes been shot down a lot but to me it seems like thats mostly due to developing countries and their under trained pilots, mostly due to financial reasons. In the hands of countries who can afford to train their pilots and give them flight time like Russia or Germany etc, the Mig-29 can be a deadly adversary to come up against. Yeah, she lacks a little in the BVR department but if you're unlucky enough to merge with one of those things you better have brought your A game.
Plz play more ww2 stuff... Plzz.. Plzzz I beg you... 😭😭
it's a good fight. Although one thing I like to keep in mind flying Pact planes is to try to rely on gun at closer range due to not having good off bore angles for missile launches where as nato you can get away with that.
23:00 you could drop throttle a bit to tighten your turn, You do lose some speed but if you make enough space you can get a good chance to get a R73 on him. You do need either a good lead shot or some distance for missile to maneuver
Other wise really good tip on keeping thrust vector higher. That was helpful
@@RISHABH-bp1wi sopwith camel Vs. SR-71
I’ve honestly been vigorously watching your channel for three days man mainly because I’m trying to better understand a realistic level of dogfighting because I’ve been thinking about getting this game but I know nothing about the subject so I’ve been learning for a while 😂😂😂
Hello Kindly make dog fight video of Mig-29 (Yog Standard ) and f16 E
"If i don't make a critical mistake i should be fine"
legit 3 seconds later
"i have made a critical mistake"
lol that tends to happen a lot to me.
@@GrowlingSidewinder You need formal debrief after the flight. When half a squadron makes fun of you and then you have to buy anyone, you quickly learn not to make mistakes. ;-)
Growling Sidewinder You should say "unless i pull off the perfect maneuver i wont kill him here." So that 3 seconds later you pull the perfect maneuver
He still got the kill lol
True but it would be using reverse psychology on his luck. Think of how fast the fight would have ended if he said he'd do good and not jinx himself.
It's cool to see a long pre-fight aircrafts characteristic made by u
thank you man glad you enjoyed.
Agree
Totally Agreed. Makes it educative
@@GrowlingSidewinder what mig 29 version is this?
Agreed, best vid I have seen yet due to it!
GS: "We'll give him a Fox 2 - Fox Two...Ok, we'll just go to guns." Game: Over
Tried to press like, but finger slipped and pressed dislike. Problem has been fixed.
Lmao, I was thinking the same thing, damn GS has the best DCS videos on TH-cam. Informative and fun to watch.
@@gijoe775th6 And they say video games, or in this case, a simulator, are not educational 😁😁😁
The last gun slingers live on in DCS.
GS is surgical with guns.
The Mig-16 fighting Fulcrum and the F-29, my favourite
I believe you meant MiG-29 and F-16, not F-29 and MiG-16, unless you did that as a joke.
@@lonniebailey4989 He/She did it as a joke.
@@williamdaniels8714 Ah. I figured he/she done that as a joke.
@@lonniebailey4989 Yeah, it's silly!
I hate you
We train this in Poland when F16 comes. I fly a couple of times on MiG 29 against F16. Great fun :-) As 3 gen avionics, this depends. Most MiG 29 have been upgraded, especially NATO ones, and lather production models for India starts with better avionics. In DCS not only is avionics from early versions but also not all options are also in. It's a pity the MiG 29 flight model in the DCS is broken, why too unstable, and with problems at low speed. I hope someone will make a decent high fidelity model in the future.
Mikolaj Grotowski maybe we fly togheter, i come ploand in 2005 nato fighter special ops, i agree mig29 was updated better missile and target systems automated, no need to designate it did automatic, was great fun though, also as a real life f16 pilot , i thik f16 best of course, no offensive. Full respect four you and pilots!
@@higaluto Is quite possible, in this time I prepare for the Air Policing mission in Lithuania and training with many NATO units.
This is because everyone compares planes with MiG-29A. Its like comparing other todays planes with F16A.
Yes.. the India version Mig-29s have been upgraded even more.. the Program started around 2017 and Now they come with upgraded RADAR and Enemy Locking mechanism, and Yes Even better avionics. And As far as I know the later Russian version have got almost identical upgrades.
Serbia get new upgraded Migs.Pozrdawliena z Serbie.
Mig 29 is simply one of the most beautiful fighter birds .
IKR!!! : D
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I put my mouse cursor next to yours in the tacview so they could be friends :)
Simon Hoover lol it’s the little things in life
thanks man, my cursor needed some love.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Gay...
Cursors need love too... But do NOT touch tips.
My buddy was a S-3 Viking pilot so he never “fought” anything other than tanker hops and boredom. He knew all the F-14 and F-18 guys and a few trained with the Luftwaffe. They all said the Mig 29’s only flaw was gas. In an all out fight it could only stay up for 20-25 minutes before it had to land. But that’s the achilles heel of all jets I guess. Great stuff GS!
It makes sense given its purpose and how it is set up to fight. Since it can be operated in worst conditions it has wider deployment. It is designed to take off and engage.
I don't think russians had long missions for it in mind. That is why it is perfect craft for smaller nations that have defense as priority.
F-16 with no bags has exactly the same problem. If you wanna stay in the air atleast for a solid amount of time you gotta go dirty and take those 2 big bags.
same issue with the F18 and definitely F16. The Hornet or Viper with no ext fuel will last just a few minutes at full burner.
@aussiebear22 - The other reason MiG-29s have always seemed to be on the losing side in fights with NATO jets is a lack of AEW&C aircraft by a lot of MiG-29 customer states. In the Balkans, for example, there was one particular dogfight where a single MiG-29 pilot went into the sky pretty much blind and was immediately picked up by multiple flights of F-15s and F-16s. I forget which one shot him down, but it was an easy kill. It's a decent airframe, and it would've done better in Russian hands, where it would've been used for what it was designed to do. You had countries using these things against heavy air superiority fighters because they were all they had. It was never going to turn out well for them.
It is interesting to note that the USSR was far more excited about this plane than the Flanker, though. MiG was held in much higher regard by the Communist Party than its competitors. After the fall of the USSR, the new Russian government seemed to shift favor to Sukhoi and develop the Flanker as the front-line fighter of choice - as well as focus export development on that platform rather than the Fulcrum. See: Su-30MKI which was produced in the hundreds. It would've been interesting to see what may have been if the MiG-35 was developed as well as it should've been and the MiG 1.44 was put into production (although there are rumors the Chinese J-20 is basically a MiG 1.44 ripoff).
@@VisibilityFoggy this also depends upon the pilot, and also Mig 29s had an advantage of BVR against Pakistani F 16 in the Kargil War of 1999, India had a very great experience with it as a dogfighter but their main problem was their engine so India upgraded it.
I really enjoyed that history lesson. Made the dogfight so much more fun to watch.
And they say video games, or in this case, a simulator, are not educational.
Funny fact. Soviet Military Doctrine at that time assumed that in case of war all major airfields will be bombed (most probably with nuclear munitions). In order to maintain air force operable the ability to quickly prepare new airstrips was critical and almost all soviet planes had requirement to take off from and land to unpaved airfields (even heavy bombers like Tu-16 were able to do that). Despite the political ambition, almost everything in Soviet Doctrine was focused on defense which makes it opposite to US doctrine, which is focused on offense. This difference lay out huge differences in tactics which is unfortunately next to impossible to emulate in DCS due to limited interactions between different branches of armed forces.
@@fredmdbud It seems the fact that Rokossovsky was born in Warsaw and in many ways (inc. culturally) Polish doesn't bother you. I guess Rokosowo also doesn't ring a bell? Please make your research better next time, half facts are not facts.
@@zepter00 Konstanty Rokossowski was born in Warsaw, in Polish family, his last name has long history of Polish ancestry, he lived in Poland first 18 years of his life, spoke Polish, identified himself as Polish. By my books he is 100% Polish. Your dislike of him doesn't change that. Tanks are just tools, they are not the doctrine. On top of that please take note that my initial post was about nuclear era, ground forces at that time were not central to USSR.
@@zepter00 I am well aware of his ancestry, as well as that historically last name in Poland (and not only in Poland) is inherited from father (except for bastards and some rare exceptions). Also swearing is not considered to be an argument in civilized society and at this point I have no motivation to continue this discussion.
yeah and belly of Mig-29 is made of titanium so that in case of non operational landing gear it can safely land on its belly. It actually happened in real life during SIAD 1997 but in this case it was SU-27.
Well if DCS is really going to do national doctrines, the mig pilots would all have to wait for their air controllers to tell them what to shoot at. Because the Soviets didn't trust pilots to make tactical decisions and their avionics provided poor situational awareness in those days.
Both the F16 and Mig 29 are worthy legacy 4th generation opponents of the 1980's to present age, to each other, both have their pros and cons, ultimately it will also boil down to pilot training and the type of upgrades/variant and armaments loaded on the jet.
Gotta admit the Mig-29 is a really good looking fighter!
So u didn't saw sukhoi
@@sandeepreddy1435 Who's better looking, Naomi Campbell or Cindy Crawford? All I'm trying to say is to each their own. :-)
But the Spitfire beats them all. Rule Brittiania!
@@greglance4335 yak-3 looks better. Spit's wings are too big
@@tedarcher9120 Dora-9 and 13 though... sheeeeeeesh Although noting beats the corsair in pure sex appeal, it's not subjective... It's factual ;)
I wish DCS would make a modern day soviet jet with a clickable cockpit, such a shame
Ryan A yeah i also wish that but unfortunately the Russians are really secretive about their technology so only old Soviet jets can be made fully clickable, like the mig 21 and 23
considering that alot of these were exported, just like the SU-30, i do not see why it would be harder to get info on these than on let's say a state of the art JF-17 or Eurofighter Typhoon.
@@KinQQz It's not. The problem is they're a Russian company under the jurisdiction of Russian law. Even if they did go and get it from someone like Poland, they still can't use it.
Ed said that they will make a DCS level mig 29a. Not su35 but modern enough so it's being worked on. Russians won't help them but the germans said yes so.. german mig 29a
The KA 50 is clickable, isn't it? I think it is, and that's what I don't get. If the Black Shark is "full fidelity", and it's a Russian design, why would it be a more detailed module than our Fulcrum or Flanker?
It's really a shame. I like the MiG-29 a lot, but being FC3 level of fidelity, it just turns me off too much.
Mig-29 vs Mirage 2000 would be great! You in the Mig-29.
Mirage 2000 is not a great dogfighter. They fixed all that in Rafale.
Love the Mig 29. One of my favorite military jets.
loved the intro! with all the info and history on the jet. Could this become the norm? pretty please!
whenever possible brother i will do it
The funny part about this is that Fulcrum and Viper pilot would probably be the best of friends drinking vodka and whiskey and recounting the recent dogfight in detail.
My great uncle was a Phantom pilot and is planning a trip to Vietnam to meet an Ex- North Vietnamese fighter pilot he's been writing to for the last year.
Something about this community, words can't describe it.
Do a video of the meeting. It would be fascinating to watch
Very relevant video, since Turkish F-16s and Haftar MIG-29s almost about to fight in Libia.
And those are Russian piloted Mig-29s, lets see what happens in the next months and see what stories come out.
Egypt has MiG-29s now.
When two jets are evenly matched it always comes down to the skill of the pilot ! This is the type of merge fights that are just astonishing to watch !
Love the longer format, love the history, and I love the amount of joy you clearly still get from doing this, it matches the joy I get from watching!
The Air Chief Marshall (equivalent, 4-star General) of the Bangladesh Air Force is a colleague of mine. He used to fly MiG-29s in the BAF.
When I was over in Pakistan, attending a space technology conference, I sat at the table with an Air Commodore (equivalent, 1-star General) during the gala dinner - not knowing he was ex-Pakistan Air Force who flew F-16s and here I was, flapping on about combat aircraft and air combat tactics. Since Bangladesh went for Russian aircraft (and also has Chinese aircraft in its fleet) but the Pakistanis went for American, I asked him why they chose that option and he said because the engineering of the wings/fuselage of Russian aircraft isn't the same standard as American production and therefore, it's more susceptible to fatigue with constant high-G manoeuvres.
Pakistanis went for American and Chinese aircraft because F 16 is cheap as well as Chinese aircrafts are and both were their allies.
@Stuxnet Lassa 😂
American/Western technology is far better than Russian/Chinese one. Everybody knows it.
Russian missile technology is comparable to American missile technology though - probably even better.
@@smokejaguarsix7757 let them dream lmao
Ironically there was a big controversy way back when because the wings of the F-16A weren't constructed to the same 9 G-tolerance as the rest of the airframe.
The second sexiest machine after F-14 Tomcat. Great work dude!
Su 27?
@@lazarmilovanovic742 Hmm.. 🤔
For the first maybe 10 of your fights I was thinking the US built fighters in DCS are way more superior than the Soviet builts, but later I realized it depends on which aircraft you're flying with. 😁
Well, for BVR, nato jets still have massive advantage, but in dogfights, both mig 29 and su27/33 are very good.....Flying F15 right after flying su27 is like flying a brick that had a lot of thrust lol😂
@@qiyuxuan9437 Yes, I meant within the visual. In BVR he trashes too many expensive missiles, he takes off with 6 AIM54 and 2 AIM9 and 2 external fuel tanks, after the fight he would come back to the base with just a gallon of fuel. 😁😁
@@qiyuxuan9437 TBF that's mostly due to 10+ years technology gap.
Can we all just take a second to appreciate this filming it's top notch
Growling Sidewindovich ... Score 2 for the Motherland. Love the looks of the Mig-29. Great video as usual. Good flying.
14:52 that scene was amazing.
With the Ghost of Kyiv rumors going around, I'd like to see if somebody in a Mig 29 can score Ace in a single deployment in DCS. I know it wouldn't be accurate to 6 kills over 24 hours, but it be a nice proof of concept
I did a few days ago, but against npcs. 3 of which didn't seem to realize I was coming up behind them
Mig-29 have a great looking model for a FC3 aircraft, even by FF standards it looks great!
The two sexiest jet fighters ever made imo.
Perfect balance of straight edges and smooth curves.
But the sexist is the Spitfire - rule Brittania!
@@greglance4335 stop going on about the spitfire Greg you old fart
Very good idea with little historical preview about aircraft before combat.
Thank you!
Thank you for giving the MiG-29 the love it deserves! I see so many people in TH-cam comment sections bashing the plane, saying that it's outdated, useless or inferior. But this video shows that in competent hands, it is perfectly capable of it.
15:18 he was trying to cobra you. He had nothing left in the tool box.
Ha trying a Maverick hit the breaks move with the boards out didn’t work out so great.
I'm really looking forward to seeing you fly more red aircraft, even if they are in FC3, it's neat to see you fight from what many people assume is just a no win situation.
Excellent video and break down. Remarkable airmanship with your ability to squeeze every advantage out of the MiG!
Reallly like the video in this format, where you introduce the planes you fly with the backdrop of a flying montage. So awesome. Thanks for the upload. Hope to see more videos like this one. Also enjoy your channel in general too.
Really nice video that you put together. Simply can't wait for the DCS level MiG-29 even more.
This is the dcs mig 27
@@tarunbasra8230huh
After seeing so many Viper and Hornet flights and fights, seeing the Fulcrum is a welcome sight as a Fulcrum fanboy. And you put it through its paces nicely, showing what it can do; although its manual hydro-mechanical controls definitely require more finesse than a FBW.
Would very much like to see more Fulcrum content, a breath of fresh air from all the NATO aircraft and even the Flanker.
Greg’s Automobiles and Airplanes would be proud, it was surprising in the best heading your name mentioned a while back, great video as usual.
The Mig-29 was the 'Wow' plane at the time. Very impressive at an airshow :)
Haven't watched the video yet, but it's gonna be AMAZING, as always 👌
New fan here, these dogfight videos are really enjoyable. I think I'm gonna try to get into DCS.
The bios of the aircraft at the beginning is really cool. Great shots
Love literally everything about this vid. From the mig intro to the music, all best
You should use the stick limiter overide more. It gets rid of the shaking.
That's true and for me when I'm dogfighting I usually turn the AoA limiter off from the mission editor so I don't have to keep the Y key pressed all the time. It becomes so much better at low speeds that even the Hornet has hard time keeping up.
Another great vid Hoss as always! Love the Mig 29 I noticed some nose pitching when you were pulling high G. She needs to be trimmed, I find trimmed to lvl at about 850km to 950km is the sweet spot to prevent that pitching in high G. I was wondering what your take is on this and if you just trim her on the fly adding and decreasing trim throughout the fight? Thanks again always enjoy the insights!
Awesome just what I need!! Thanks. Been looking forward to a new video.
I love that you have some history on the planes in you video.
The art and drama of dogfighting, beautifully captured. Love the choice of music.
The Ghost of Kyiv
In this video the Mig wins 2 rounds, the Stalinium wins 1 round, and the F-16 0 rounds.
The f-16 is overrated...
Gotta love the Mig and the background story. Another quality video!
14:45 That scene and that music! It's just so damn awesome!
Since getting in to DCS, I've always been more passionate about A2G use for aircraft.. After watching some of your videos I've gained a much higher interest in A2A. Makes my F-16 much more useful ;-)
DCS is such a beautiful game, that impresses me everytime.
Loved the preflight aircraft brief/overview. Maybe a series where you go Over the history of an aircraft and it’s characteristics and then how to exploit those characteristics in a fight
These shots after the kill are absolutely beautiful and cinematic!
Ive been waiiiitttinnn for this oneeee... TURN IT UP
Hey there GS! I have a bit of a challenge for you. I've seen the good guys over at Grim Reapers try some dogfights in complete darkness, and I wanna see you try the same, maybe with Atè! It's quite challenging only having the radar and a tiny FOV with the night vision goggles.
Love the vids, I've been hooked for a few weeks now. The history and performance intro of the planes are great, love the information.
Coolest DCS vid I've seen in a long while! Thank you!
Lift vector placement is hard to understand,
Hope to see such vertical scissors in upcoming Dogfight and your detailed explanation would be appreciated.
What's background music you use during the replays??
I wanna know too... Sounds something like out of warhammer or WoW
I really like it, but it's not public, if you find it full please link here.
Man, your videos are the best! I really hope to have at least a 10% of your hability with DCS in the future. Also! Please, do more videos with the mig 29! Tks!
I like the honesty in your movies. You show your skills, but also your mistakes. And i also learn from it all. Thanks!
i love you and your content
love u too buddy
where was the f16 aim9's? didn't see any launch in the entire match
guess he thought his WEZ was jammed didnt want to waste any missiles.
Beautiful and informative video, I really enjoyed it - thank you.
I hope one day we get a full study level version of the MIG-29 instead of the version we have now.
Don't forget about the Fulcrum having the world's first off boresight targeting. The Fulcrum is a knife fighter, and once it's in range there is little that you can do against it.
The Fulcrum actually achieves it's supermanoeuvrability without the use of a fly by wire, it is "perfectly balanced", this is extremely impressive as no western nation has ever produced a supermanoeuvrable plane without the use of fly by wire as supermanoeuvrable planes cannot be aerodynamically stable, they can either be unstable (very easy to achieve) or metastable (perfectly balanced). The Russians made what is essentially a sports car that can out race a dragster out of an old farm tractor.
In the next video please fight with a Sukhoi in Indian Air Force livry.
Fabulous stuff as always. Thank you GS! Kind regards, Nick
my pleasure nick thank you for watching.
My first computer and sim game was the F16 and Mig29 fulcrum by Novalogic back in the days. Arcade sim but man it was fun flying the MiG29. I hope to recreate that fun in DCS one day after the learning curve I always loved that Mig29 it’s a beautiful jet and very interesting intake system I never knew about. Good stuff man 👍🏻
The are no Russian jets in DCS
Only soviet
i mean ya if you want to split hairs I guess.
Regularly passingby near fabric where Klimov RD-33 jet engines are still produced.
No signs of soviet letters on the front, only russians.
But russian letters means cyrillic, so RD-33 is slavonic jet engine now. That making no sense all kind of these subdivision.
I live for these videos!
Cool stuff GS.
LOVE this stuff.
Keep it up.
Great video, especially slow motion parts! It's worth mentioning that MiG's cannon is 30mm and Viper's is 20mm so maybe that's one of the reasons why you survived his burst and he didn't survive yours.
I've been addicted to your videos the passed couple days lol damn you make me wanna get a killer gaming pc and Sim setup just to play this game and learn to fly and operate all these planes! keep up the good work I just subbed!!
Nice vid, crazy move @2:10 this plane is a tank and was just incredible
Ireally love these videos were you descibe the aircraft! keep'em coming! :D
Mobius 1
It should be said: the MiG 29 had no rival in pure thrust back when it was first produced. It’s thrust is now HEAVILY outclassed in the F-22 Raptor
@@bazej1080 Can you read english?
> back when it was first produced
I love all the analysis and explanations!
Nice video , Growling. I really, did not know these many advantages of the Fulcrum.
You missed the fact that even the Indian Air Force and Indian Navy use it as well
Man I love your history lessons!!! :)
Миг-29 is a real air warrior, in the right hands it is an extremely powerful weapon. It is a pity that it is not properly presented in dcs. I hope that one day they will do it and many virtual pilots will fly on it, it will be exciting days and nights .
Laughs in amraam
@@abhisheksrivastav3175 lmao amraam had countless kills unlike your shitty K-100 who has zero combat record
@@Manomed3 lol.. Only Against mig 21 and 23...
Love the intro bro. Great video! Can't wait for the full fidelity mig-29. Im not one to fly many russian aircraft but this one might be worth the buy! I havent messed with my fc3 planes in a while. Might be worth dusting them off and getting a little practice in, lol
Lol back in the day I had the F-16 MRF and Mig-29 Fulcrum games from Novalogic, which could do multiplayer together, so this definitely brings back memories
12:53 - "I think he hit me at least once"
I've read a paper from a U.S.A.F. pilot stating that the (east german) mig-29's bled airspeed much faster than the F-16.
It also breaks lock often and S.A suffers from the compromised view inside the cockpit.
Even the mig-29 pilots favored the F-16.
Sure on the initial turn the mig could get a kill. But if the pilot missed then the next turn he would be screwed.
There was also something about the centerline external tank on the 29, can't remember details. I think it had to do that it could not be dropped safely while flying. And you really want an extra tank because it is thirsty.
Hey Man that was great. question, do you think Microsoft Flight sim 2020 will have the same results in the f-14 thats coming out on it soon . Like it will kind of work the same as dcs.
Lovely aircraft. Mig -29 , IAF is using it from 1985 and currently have upgraded it . And still uses it . ❤️
Awesome flying brother 🙌
Always love your vids and great comentary.
Great video! Would love to see a vid on the cobra with this aircraft. Also would like to know when should you if ever to do a cobra.
Hey man you did your research I really enjoyed this video I learned something I didn't know I really like fighter aircraft and learning something new at that something I did not know about the Meg that is got that where closes all in the front guys pretty cool to learn keep up the good work Sidewinder
Your camera angles are unrivaled in DCS vids.
Love your videos and I learn so much watching you. Please fly the MIG29 more often.
That first kill with guns was absolutely flawless! 👍
Love the casual gunshot to finish
Beautiful fights man!!!!
Great overview of the Fulcrum
Damn you never do videos of planes on the other side, this is going to be a fine evening...