Could Raoh have conquered Shura? | Fist of the North Star
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Raoh's ultimate goal was to conquer Shura, but if he had beaten Kenshiro, could he have done it?
Let me know if you think it would have gone differently in the comment section.
Now the only threat left to Kaioh is Shachi, however, we know that Shachi wouldn't stand a chance.
shachi and kuroyasha
@@brothersofwrath4785 I didn't, somebody actually came and gave this lonely comment a like.
In other words, Kaioh still wins.
Shachi may be able to pop other bandits like a baloon but he's isn't anywhere close to other major fighters in the series. Dude would probably lose to Shin
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Dope video! I've never seen a cool "what-if" scenario for Fist of the North Star, and I'm excited to see more!
Thank you. I'd love to make more if time allows. There are so many topics to cover and so few youtubers who talk about FotNS.
@@samuelheaton3122 fax
As Lin said to Kaioh face, he CAN'T defeat Raoh.
Lin ain't really the right judge for that tho
@@brothersofwrath4785 when she beg Rei not to right Raoh or when she said Ken and Raoh never show any hatred during their final battle, she has a RIGHT TO JUDGE.
@@sembarangjaknama there are 2 reasons why kenshiro beat kaioh
1. Kaioh was a big fish in a small pond while kenshiro fought people stronger than himself and thus embraced them
2. Raoh tried to throw love and compassion away as he considered them weaknesses to his fist. Kenshiro on the other hand chose to embrace them and never to reject them.
Hence ken or toki(healthy) would make more sense to defeat Kaioh
One thing to note: there’s no evil ki, it’s called Matoki(magical fighting Aura)
demonic chi aura
or so one of its "dubs,, goes by
Kaioh’s ki was powered by love not evil
@@primusvsunicron1 what are you smoking
Hokuto ryuken thrives in evil
@@brothersofwrath4785 I’m talking about Kaioh as a person
@@primusvsunicron1 kaioh rejected love and sank into evil
You said his chi was powered by love when it is quite the opposite of that
hyoh might have lasted longer if he distorted space to make it impossible for raoh to hit his pressure points
This fight could definitely go either way. But I decided to give the win to Raoh because if he went to Shura shortly after defeating Kenshiro then Hyoh would be younger than when we see him in FotNS2 and presumably not as strong. Also, I think plot-wise it would be better for Raoh to fight his older brother.
@@samuelheaton3122 one more thing
raoh is a strategist and, much like against souther, raoh would not just rush against an opponent he knows little about. In this case, I suppose he would pay a visit to Juekei and make the old cane tell him secrets of hokuto ryuken's makai(dark world) and how to counter its satanic magic
@@brothersofwrath4785 this... is actually a very interesting idea. I don't know if Raoh would expect Juukei to be around or know where to find him. But Shachi would probably join Raoh and help him. That being said, I think Kaioh still wins. He's just on another level
@@samuelheaton3122 there was a what if fight between the 2 and it was a tie albeit it was non canon
@@samuelheaton3122 it is worth noting that Kiaoh seems to have had a brief knowledge over musou tensei when he fought kenshiro. How did he know about that ultimate technique yet kenshiro knew nothing about hokuto ryuken
Now, do a what if video that is what if kenshiro got the nuclear illness and toki became the successor.
So basically;
What-if 1: What if Toki became Successor? (As Toki planned to have a rematch with Han canonically, and he would finally be able to fulfill his promise too)
What-if 2: What if Hokuto Ryuken was the main clan lineage art? (Kaioh would act less evil, now being of the main clan lineage, however he is still technically ruler of shura, Hyoh would have to be the main, and Kenshiro wouldn’t be necessarily evil, either, however they will still fight.)
What-if 3: What if Nuclear Fallout NEVER happened? (This would be extremely interesting.. the modern world with a story that would likely be the same.)
What-if 4: What if Nanto defeated Hokuto? (Thouzer vs Kaioh would be.. interesting, Thouzer can beat Han and maybe even Hyoh with enough effort, but in the games, Thouzer’s body was able to even bring down Kaioh just a bit, by himself.)
What-if 5: What if Rei waited for Kenshiro? (Rei gets to live! Finally!)
1. Toki's sickness came from his star of fate( toki vs raoh arc) contrary to popular beliefs
2. Both Shinken and Ryuken are revelaed to be part of hokuto soke
4. Souther's dextrocardia could provide him domination over Han and maybe Hyoh
Kaioh's demonic sorcery would overwhelm him tho
3. No mad max background
5. Rei would survive only to sacrifice himself another day
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1. Of course it did, but that’s not my point, WHAT IF HE DIDN’T, have his star of fate give him that middle finger.
2. That’s exactly my point, a what-if question going over what if Hokuto Ryuken was now the main art, even though both are part of it, Hr was seen as a lesser art, HS was seen as the main.
3. I’d like to see a modern world version of the anime that isn’t HOKUTO DDD.
4. Still, an interesting fight, Kaioh never would take the time to find out about his secret, so they could still fight, but Thouzer wouldn’t WIN.
5. To be honest, Rei’s death was sad but unneeded, like a way to chop of a character- He could have lasted so much longer, exactly my point, the star of death was so unneeded to be pulled on Rei, I understand his character, but I don’t understand why he had to be wiped off so quickly, I don’t even see how Mamiya and him had so much attachment, there was just: boom i saved your village, then i found a genius, then we raid a prison area, then i get struck, then i kill your traumatize maker, then i die. Like, everything except the killing Yuda wasn’t very meaningful, especially with how Mamiya was with Kenshiro AND rei upon their journey, however, I do want to see Rei having a what if he survived, for a successor into the next area for specifically Ryu, who was supposed to be 65th Hokuto Shinken Successor as per manga.
@@jennimai6741 that is not what I meant
the things is
toki was predestined to fall terminally sick by the star he was born under meaning even if we ignored the fallout it would still be a beforehand sickness
just like Yuria falling terminally sick after shin abducted her from kenshiro
@@brothersofwrath4785 Still, the what-if is still a what-if, that’s the point, what if Toki WASN’T supposed to befall the sickness, exactly my point, you saying he is predestined has nothing to do with my what-if, which is “what if toki never got radiation sickness,” not only did he do it upon his own accord, but he believes of it as his destiny, and so does fate say the same, you can’t just get rid of a theory by implementing his star, because then I could just say: “In the what-if, what if another brother of Toki’s had their star narrate their lifetime?”
We need a ‘What if’ about Toki.
Great fan fic! Excellent story telling
Check the most recent "what if raoh won,, by M
Honestly, I expect that Kenshiro will defeat Kaioh because of the seals. If he had the seals, he would defeat Raoh and Kaioh, but if he did not have the seals, he would not defeat Kaioh, and this is what happened when they faced each other for the first time. As for Raoh without the seals, it will almost be a tie between him and Kenshiro, as happened in their first confrontation, but I think that Raoh will win with a small difference between him and Kenshiro’s strength, and if Raoh faces Kawei without the seals, he will lose, and the seals did not even accept him because he is not the true heir.
Kenshiro needed one fight with Kaioh in order to grasp hokuto ryuken as he stated in his fight with Hyoh whom Kaioh considered ken's equal in potential. The Spirit of hokuto soke told Kenshiro the history of hokuto and how to counter hokuto soke technique which had been mastered and thus counterattacks.
actually Raoh and Han knew each other before Raoh, Toki and Kenshiro were sent to Japan
Raoh didn't really lose, he chose to let Kenshiro live and continue on
Nope.
Raoh was so pissed off that he struck sekkatsuko point to temporarily gain strength at the expense of his life and still it was insufficient
@Sex" Allatus Angellus before kenshiro's deep sadness and mastered musou tensei raoh was unable to keep his aura focused
In fact, he even still win at the end because Kenshiro technically carry his legacy on
I have an idea for a what-if where kenshiro was born as a saiyan hybrid (saiyan mother and human father or visa versa)
don't you think that akasachi would have sacrificed his life to save raoh just like he did for ken and maybe raoh could have been pulled by a big ass coffin adn then break the seal of original hokuto or maybe not raoh is too heavy to be carried
Could you make a video about what would happen if southern had killed Kenshiro in his first fight? And also what would have happened if rei had survived
I think he would barely win against sick Toki but Raoh would beat Souther.
@@Zverb-gi1jo if raoh knew souther was born with dextrocardia
@@brothersofwrath4785 at that time Roah knew it already from Toki
@@Zverb-gi1jo Either way, someday Falco would almost certainly defeat him since Gento Koken doesn't use pressure points.
@@samuelheaton3122 who would falco beat?
Honestly kaioh biggest problem is that without anreu tenha and his other toki techniques he won't have that much of a Chance against Roah
Kaioh would pretty handily beat raoh the way he beat kenshiro in their first fight
Raoh would not be able to beat Kaioh for 2 reasons(which are why Kenshiro defeated Raoh)
1. Kenshiro fought on a battlefield full of stronger foes whereas Kaioh was a big fish in a small pond and never pushed his limits of power
2. Kenshiro embraced love and compassion whereas Raoh never would
Why jukei don't help raoh?
jukei and kuroyasha
surely raoh could use jukei's training to face kaioh
I think Raoh would fight Hyoh before Jukei could do it and he would notice during the fight against Hyoh that something is wrong with him until he realizes that he lost his Memory.
Raoh would restore his Memory but only to spit some information out to him about Kaioh so Raoh presses the pressure Point that he used against Juza too.
Hyoh would not tell Raoh anything so he dies and now he searches Jukei before fighting Kaioh.
He finds Jukei and he says to him that he must go to the Hokuto Pillar break his seal.
He goes to the Pillar only to find out that the Pillar don't help him cuz he is not the Hokuto Shinken Succesor so he goes back to Jukei to learn how to counter Kaiohs Anryu Tenha and then the final Fight begins.
Raoh would eventually lose to Kaioh cuz he doesn't have the Counter against Kaiohs Hokuto Soké.
@@Zverb-gi1jo well actually jukei believes that hyoh and ken are only ones to use hokuto soke cariyatid as they are from the main lineage while raoh and kaioh are from the lesser lineage so I do not know if jukei would tell him that
albeit raoh and kaioh too are from the main lineage
not sure if anyone besides hyoh knows about tasiden where the pillar is as well
musou tensei would probably be too much for hokuto soke techniques once raoh has evolved his fist above kaioh's demonic magic
@@brothersofwrath4785 true
Seems like when they did those newer spinoffs they could have made an extension of kenshiro going to Shura and not this Chinese always smoking version.
"you got problem with tobaco...tell it to me,,
Raoh will equal kaioh like kenshiro when he equal hyoh .
Also raoh know about secret so he will find it first
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You also forgot that the soul who appears behind kenshiro when kaioh wanted to kill kenshiro again absorbed kaioh energy and the soul looks familiar to raoh also raoh has absorbing ability
kenshiro summoned the deity of war that repeled kaioh's magical demonic aura
@@brothersofwrath4785 so raoh could do it too right?
@@Zverb-gi1johe can do it of course and more he himself has absorbing Aura ability he showed kenshiro his weakened Aura and absorbed it , i can argue with you until you would know by yourself how Raoh would win .
Raoh vs Kaioh winner is ?😁
idont think raoh is a bad character he just a bit misunderstood as an antagonist i think he can defeat his older brother kaioh head on as long hehas the the love and sadness of reina his love, i think he can pull through
Short Answer: NO
Raoh was stated and kenshiro admit it that he's powerful and stronger than him and he could kill him , when kenshiro punched Kaioh and Kaioh felt it in the second fight that Kenshiro was using Raoh brute soul the only that makes kenshiro lose the 1est battle against Kaioh is because he never defeat Raoh by himself is because Raoh let him wins and that stated by manga and anime that's why Kenshiro could not surpass Kaioh , so what if raoh defeated kenshiro and goes to asura land need a reason for example Yuria die by sickness before kenshiro battle raoh and that makes raoh defeat him to let kenshiro go to heaven with Yuria and that will make Raoh surpass even Kaioh
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Second Raoh has a high aura and can absorb aura which means anryu tenha can't stop him
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He also a strategy man
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Asura land people stand beside him
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Raoh would win the proof is kenshiro Lost to kaioh without help of sachi and pirates he dies
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So at least Raoh would be equal to Kaioh in what if story and then Sachi help him then he find the secret then he could master arnyu tenha .
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But for record kenshiro didn't Master arnu tenha he absorbed it
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Which this ability that Raoh have
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Raoh will fail in asura he is not as survivalist as kenshiro
Raoh couldn't even get past Han in my opinion. Most HNK normies cite the infamous "Raoh Prophecy", but Kaioh directly states he made it up and that it doesn't exist. Han as well faces a Ken that is stronger in base than when he fought Raoh. And then that Ken continued to get stronger throughout Han and his fight, with Han still performing to an evolving Ken. Maybe you can argue Muso Tensei makes a difference, but the increase it gives is too vague and unknown. You can make the argument 2-10x using the substantial increase rule, but the difference in base form is still there. Not to mention it's not like Ken at Muso Tensei and Raoh at Muso Tensei were equals, so the difference in power is definitely there. Even if Raoh does beat Han, Han directly states Hyoh at that point is above Ken. And then Hyoh later on after his sister dies gets his Demon Forms, and Hyoh slaps Raoh. Raoh is not top tier by any means.
raoh is tier AAA
han and hyoh are AA
@@brothersofwrath4785 If you're siting the wiki or the guides itself, you're wrong. The scaling contradicts the guides. Scaling can't be wrong. If someone breaks a wall they are wall level. It is a fact they broke that wall. The interpretation of scaling can be though, like if I said "breaking that wall is actually a 6th dimensional time-space rift, so the person breaking that is 6d." That's wrong right there. Essentially the feats that Raoh has is worse than what Hyoh and Han have. Han is more debatable, but I would think he wins, unless Musou Tensei does have a confirmed value. Otherwise, Raoh is just not even top 10. Raoh is highly overrated.
@@B.D._Voro these are official ranks by Buronson and Tetsuo Hara
@@brothersofwrath4785, that's amazing. But it doesn't matter. Buronson also wrote the events in the series as well, and it shows Raoh would not beat Hyoh and Han, like I had said previously. Both works were either written or supervised by the author, so you take the work that has actually validity to it, which is the feats and scaling of the series. It's not hard to learn.
@@B.D._Voro going by that logic
solia the purple would be ranked above han and hyoh because in manga he forced kenshiro to draw musou tensei and deatomize his left arm