I really appreciate you doing the quick back to back sound tests after the full individual tests, so many youtubers don't do this when discussing multiple changes so you have to swap back and forth between timestamps manually to try to compare.
Appreciate so many aspect of this video. 1. back to back sound test in various sequence. 2. Warning to end testing sounds (so that I don't jump off my bed while enjoying the typing sound 😂). 3. Detailed explaining pros and cons of each mod. 4. your opinion about each mod. 5. clear video 6. nice voice 7. I can go on... Great job on the video, please share more!
Wow, great audio balancing! I didn't have to crank my volume for the sound tests, and the normal audio wasn't super loud on the return. Love the back-to-back comparisons at the end!! easy sub
Cheers for the sound warning. Have been turning my volume up to really get a feel for the difference all night for different mods and plates. Just to get my ears blown off when the music and talking starts up again. Honestly your the first channel to place that warning on a video, earnt a subscriber and a thumbs up just for that alone.
Do I? Haha. It might be because im not used to the springs and overcompensating. I didn’t even notice that until now. PE Foam on the kbd67 lite has done wonders. Im glad you enjoyed the video :)
@@tjptech5206 I mean you probably know better than me but the sounds of the alpacas aren't usually that harsh, listen to some other sounds, and compare, or maybe try typing really lightly and then find a balance? I mean it's not a huge deal.
Thanks for the informative video. After getting into the custom keyboard rabbit hole as a new interest I noticed it was pretty uncommon to find any info on the “standard” order of the layers so I mistakenly ended up installing the big “keyboard” foam pad (not the individual foamy thin switch pads) on top of the plate. So I have to take everything apart 🤦. However I have seen some TH-camrs do it like I did…? Have you tried it the way I’ve explained? (Keyboard foam on top of the polycarb plate vs under it like you showed in the vid)? If so, how does the sound compare? Thanks again 🙏🏻
Not that keyboard channels hit millions of subs or anything but color me shocked that you're under 1k. This is insanely high quality, you deserve more!
knowing this will harm your pcb when doing it incorrectly with the pe foam make me really dont want to try it. not to mention that some pe foam we find from the market maybe anti-electric, if you accidentally mess up, some keys wont work and from your explanation, seem pe foam will make the kb sound "popier" while actually im just trying to dampen the sound down but it's fun to learn more about kb and sound but pe foam still can be useful the 2mm foam i got from internet isnt fit to my rk g68 the pe foam still can be put in the case to be less hollow, and also you can use it for preference since some foam actually is unable to look through, lol. and i dont want to cut that foam into pieces much the kdb pads seem is the most safe mods. but dang, the delivery at the place i live is having hard time bc of quaratine. besides, seem it doesnt affect much as i expect (from your video) anyway, nice content, hope you will have more sub
I agree. I love the sound from the PE foam mod but I would definately not try it on an endgame board just to avoid the risk. The switch pads are safe, and the sound is pretty nice. Thanks :)
Feels good to watch almost the same build as mine test different mods in one video. (beside the stabs and keycaps XD) Gonna try out the PE foam mod(maybe +tape mod). Great video!
I’m a big fan of the alpacas with the kbd67 lite. The PE foam that I use (linked in the description) has worked well for me. I’m gonna make a video soon about the different combinations of mods available. Thanks :)
@@tjptech5206 Thanks for the reply! Alpacas with kbd67 lite are way too goooooooood! Just finished the PE foam mod and it works very well for me too, much more THOCC on my kbd67 lite now :D I'm also considering try adding tape mod soon :D
I currently have a few boards built with the KBDFans foam stickers and the tape mod, and it gives a very poppy but airy sound. I actually quite like it, and it makes some cheaper boards sound much more premium.
I heard some cons for the tape mod, they said the adhesive from the tape could damage the pcb, it may cause short circuit blablabla (i have no clue about electricity😂). But i tried the tempest mod for almost 1 year and it's still fine, but i don't know what would happen next to my pcb. Got any opinion about this? Cheers bro🍻
I was thinking about making a follow up with a combination of the mods, I have not tried it yet though. Hopefully sometime over the next few days I will test it out. Thank you im glad you liked it :)
Great video. Do you know if it is possible to remove the silcone dampner on the kbd67 llite? I just asembled a KBD67 Lite R2 with Durock V2, Boba U4T, GMK WoB and PE foam modded it. I have a Tofu with same switches, keycaps, centre posts drilled out and pe- foam modded and to be honest I prefer my the sound of my Tofu. However I think its due to the metal case and I have the kbd67 V3 case coming in a few days so I am expecting the KBD67 to sound the same or nicer than my Tofu. btw - my Tofu did not sound nice until I pe foam modded it.
Im not entirely sure, but I have heard from some people that the silicon dampener, dampens it a bit too much. Im sure when your V3 case arrives you might be able to go without the silicon dampener layer.
@@tjptech5206 My V3 case arrived yesterday and I much prefer it to the ABS case. It does not bend in the middle and looks /feels nicer. I have been told the silicone dampener is needed as its part of the gasket mounting system.
@@davieslm yeah unfortunately, unlike their other gasket boards which come with seperate strips you stick on yourself, the entire silicone pad _is_ both, the "gasket" & the plate support on our 67Lites. Ive been considering possibly just chopping the gasket nibs *off* of the whole pad itself, and only using them. But then I'd need to use some kind of plate-foams between the pcb+plate for support. And I'm not entirely sure how stable the assembly would be after the fact. If you're rolling in enough dough that you can take the loss if there are unforseen consequences, the hobby would be super grateful for your sacrifice! And hey, who knows; if it does work than we finally found a way to keep the gasket-mount while maintaining a full-range of acoustics!
What if you do all these at once? I’m thinking about getting the switch pads and currently did the tape Mod and used paper towels instead of foam cause I lost my foam.
Do you think the switch pads would mute the board? I bought a new Q1, never heard the stock board sound before and put on the switch pads right away. It sounded super muted now and im not sure if i should remove it.
When you assembled and pe modded it, was it quite difficult to screw the PCB, pe-foam, silicone layer, and plate together? I just did it and it was like I needed slightly longer screws - it just about caught the thread.
Hmm, it wasnt too difficult for me. I will say that it definitely felt a little bit tighter, but not to the point of issues closing the case. What case do you have?
May I ask have you try putting tape on the above surface of PCB. It's like PE foam mod but using tape instead of PE foam. Does it produce the same sound as PE foam? Im in middle of lock down so I can't get masking tape to try this myself :(.
Have you experimented with EPDM high density foam for behind PCB etc? I'm unsure what thickness to buy. I've also found a great source of cheap silicone sheeting. It's listed as 'large silicone cake dough mat' and if you're prepared to ignore the graphics is super cheap for a 50cm x 40cm sheet.
Only certain types of PE are, the issue/ concern with them is static discharge, there are PE foams for product packing which have ESD protection but don't have links for you for sheets to do the PE mod.
Tape mod actually sounded the best lol I like clack pe foam is being over used it makes all boards character lost it does sound good but the switch sound goes away and just true into a thicker thock sure thock is good but sometimes it'd to much a nice pop/clack imo has character and life lol if anything I hear people say the lbd67 lite has plenty of thock I don't see wanting more lol at times its to much imo but it sounds good sure but gets old quick the more thocky builds/pe foam builds you do the more you will end up swaying more towards clack it always happens everyone wanna thock at first thne overtime the clack is what starts attracting people lol
please dont process your sound tests, if your mic isn't good enough to give that good of a sound, then just leave it as raw as possible (that you're comfortable with)
I honestly cant tell the difference. But please bro learn how to type, you are keyboard reviewer and typing is part of its soul. Looking forward to your next review.
Hello, there, love to check your video, and just wondering how to cooperate with you, as we are a mech keeb seller. and also send you an email for business enquiry. and looking forward to hearing from you.
Opinions are like the other…state the obvious? Nothing special one can report and outcome always the same: get what sounds good, looks best and fits your budget.
Lmao. Yeah I am pretty bad at typing. Ever since I have gotten into the keyboard community I have improved my wpm from 40 to 80. But that doesn’t excuse my awful typing style lol.
@@Joeleon2 yeah I was thinking about getting blank keycaps to try and relearn a proper typing method lol. Idk if it would work, and it would be nice to be able to type faster… and just better lol.
Maybe it’s not so evident in this video but they do sound different when you actually hear them side by side but with all other variables being the same. I do PE foam mod if I want to shoot for a thockier sound (making sure that I use switches and plates that creates thockier sound as well). I would use switch pads for clackier builds but to further help reduce hollowness.
Another enthusiast who spends and absurd amount of time and money on a hobby but doesn't even know the basics of how to use a keyboard. Holy crap, learn how to type. Imagine car enthusiasts who drove with their left foot on the gas and right on the brake.
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I really appreciate you doing the quick back to back sound tests after the full individual tests, so many youtubers don't do this when discussing multiple changes so you have to swap back and forth between timestamps manually to try to compare.
The switch pads might take longer than the PE foam, but the fact that it won't shift around while installing like PE is a huge plus for me.
I mean, you could have used just a little bit of painter tape on the sides to keep it in place
@@Leo-ud9cn 3 letters, OCD
My pe foam stretches after tearing down my keyboard a few times and now it straight up doesn’t align with the switch holes without buckling.
Appreciate so many aspect of this video. 1. back to back sound test in various sequence. 2. Warning to end testing sounds (so that I don't jump off my bed while enjoying the typing sound 😂). 3. Detailed explaining pros and cons of each mod. 4. your opinion about each mod. 5. clear video 6. nice voice 7. I can go on... Great job on the video, please share more!
yo the production quality on this is amazing. would not be surprised if u hit 10k in a bit!
Thank you so much :)
Wow, great audio balancing! I didn't have to crank my volume for the sound tests, and the normal audio wasn't super loud on the return. Love the back-to-back comparisons at the end!! easy sub
You deserve much more than 24 subs, shocked me to see that your under even 1k. consider me one of the first hundred
Thank you so much :D
getting up there, slowly
Fr this was high quality and I didn’t even know these existed so you’d expect more people to be intrigued
Cheers for the sound warning. Have been turning my volume up to really get a feel for the difference all night for different mods and plates. Just to get my ears blown off when the music and talking starts up again. Honestly your the first channel to place that warning on a video, earnt a subscriber and a thumbs up just for that alone.
This is insanely high quality! Motivates me to step my content game up 🔥You will be at 10k in no time my friend, keep doing you!
Thank you so much haha. Funnily enough your videos are part of what inspired me to make videos. Love your content, and thanks for the support. :)
@@tjptech5206 you made my day! See you around :)
Damn, you really hammer on those keys. Great video, very informative. Currently rocking the PE foam on the same board as you and liking it a lot.
Do I? Haha. It might be because im not used to the springs and overcompensating. I didn’t even notice that until now. PE Foam on the kbd67 lite has done wonders. Im glad you enjoyed the video :)
@@tjptech5206 I mean you probably know better than me but the sounds of the alpacas aren't usually that harsh, listen to some other sounds, and compare, or maybe try typing really lightly and then find a balance? I mean it's not a huge deal.
love the sound of your board! would love to see you trying out different combinations of these mods or even all at once if it fits haha. Nice vid!
Thank you! I am gonna be trying to do some of the combinations to see how (or if) they work. Video will hopefully be up sometime next week!
your a keyboard enthusiast that cant touch type. I respect that, its a dangerous world out there.
Ordering some now, it's always fun to try out new mods. Going to try this with the Tempest tape mod too.
Yeah I have been meaning to try it out with some of the other mod options. I also really want to check out the switch pads that SwagKeys sells.
I’ve seen you in multiple keyboard comments sections
Thanks for the informative video. After getting into the custom keyboard rabbit hole as a new interest I noticed it was pretty uncommon to find any info on the “standard” order of the layers so I mistakenly ended up installing the big “keyboard” foam pad (not the individual foamy thin switch pads) on top of the plate. So I have to take everything apart 🤦. However I have seen some TH-camrs do it like I did…? Have you tried it the way I’ve explained? (Keyboard foam on top of the polycarb plate vs under it like you showed in the vid)? If so, how does the sound compare? Thanks again 🙏🏻
Not that keyboard channels hit millions of subs or anything but color me shocked that you're under 1k. This is insanely high quality, you deserve more!
Thank you so much! I wouldn't be surprised soon if some creators starting hitting more and more subs soon, the keyboard community is growing fast!
knowing this will harm your pcb when doing it incorrectly with the pe foam make me really dont want to try it. not to mention that some pe foam we find from the market maybe anti-electric, if you accidentally mess up, some keys wont work
and from your explanation, seem pe foam will make the kb sound "popier" while actually im just trying to dampen the sound down
but it's fun to learn more about kb and sound
but pe foam still can be useful
the 2mm foam i got from internet isnt fit to my rk g68
the pe foam still can be put in the case to be less hollow, and also you can use it for preference since some foam actually is unable to look through, lol. and i dont want to cut that foam into pieces much
the kdb pads seem is the most safe mods. but dang, the delivery at the place i live is having hard time bc of quaratine. besides, seem it doesnt affect much as i expect (from your video)
anyway, nice content, hope you will have more sub
I agree. I love the sound from the PE foam mod but I would definately not try it on an endgame board just to avoid the risk. The switch pads are safe, and the sound is pretty nice. Thanks :)
Feels good to watch almost the same build as mine test different mods in one video. (beside the stabs and keycaps XD)
Gonna try out the PE foam mod(maybe +tape mod). Great video!
I’m a big fan of the alpacas with the kbd67 lite. The PE foam that I use (linked in the description) has worked well for me. I’m gonna make a video soon about the different combinations of mods available. Thanks :)
@@tjptech5206 Thanks for the reply! Alpacas with kbd67 lite are way too goooooooood!
Just finished the PE foam mod and it works very well for me too, much more THOCC on my kbd67 lite now :D
I'm also considering try adding tape mod soon :D
What about IXPE switch pad vs Poron switch pad? Will IXPE be the best of both world?
Yup. I definitely like the crispier sound of the tape and/or pads compared to the PE.
I currently have a few boards built with the KBDFans foam stickers and the tape mod, and it gives a very poppy but airy sound. I actually quite like it, and it makes some cheaper boards sound much more premium.
Excellent video! The algorithms linked me to this and you got a new sub. Looking forward to more content!
Glad you enjoyed :)
I heard some cons for the tape mod, they said the adhesive from the tape could damage the pcb, it may cause short circuit blablabla (i have no clue about electricity😂). But i tried the tempest mod for almost 1 year and it's still fine, but i don't know what would happen next to my pcb. Got any opinion about this? Cheers bro🍻
Awesome video. Thank you for doing this. Reviewing pros and cons was super helpful. Many thanks!
Have you tried combining the switch pads with the tempest tape mod? curious what that would sound like. Great Video!
I was thinking about making a follow up with a combination of the mods, I have not tried it yet though. Hopefully sometime over the next few days I will test it out. Thank you im glad you liked it :)
seconded
And now switch pads are sold in precut variations so it'll be instantaneous!
Really informative and concise, well organized video thank you
Great video. Do you know if it is possible to remove the silcone dampner on the kbd67 llite? I just asembled a KBD67 Lite R2 with Durock V2, Boba U4T, GMK WoB and PE foam modded it. I have a Tofu with same switches, keycaps, centre posts drilled out and pe- foam modded and to be honest I prefer my the sound of my Tofu. However I think its due to the metal case and I have the kbd67 V3 case coming in a few days so I am expecting the KBD67 to sound the same or nicer than my Tofu. btw - my Tofu did not sound nice until I pe foam modded it.
Im not entirely sure, but I have heard from some people that the silicon dampener, dampens it a bit too much. Im sure when your V3 case arrives you might be able to go without the silicon dampener layer.
@@tjptech5206 My V3 case arrived yesterday and I much prefer it to the ABS case. It does not bend in the middle and looks /feels nicer. I have been told the silicone dampener is needed as its part of the gasket mounting system.
@@davieslm yeah unfortunately, unlike their other gasket boards which come with seperate strips you stick on yourself, the entire silicone pad _is_ both, the "gasket" & the plate support on our 67Lites. Ive been considering possibly just chopping the gasket nibs *off* of the whole pad itself, and only using them. But then I'd need to use some kind of plate-foams between the pcb+plate for support. And I'm not entirely sure how stable the assembly would be after the fact.
If you're rolling in enough dough that you can take the loss if there are unforseen consequences, the hobby would be super grateful for your sacrifice! And hey, who knows; if it does work than we finally found a way to keep the gasket-mount while maintaining a full-range of acoustics!
Dang this was a great video, definitely underrated. :D
What a surprise
I would have liked to hear the switch pads + tape mod without the PE foam. I would hope it would be comparable to the PE foam mod itself.
What if you do all these at once? I’m thinking about getting the switch pads and currently did the tape Mod and used paper towels instead of foam cause I lost my foam.
great video :) but, i cant help but notice some suppression in the mic. other than that, very well produced and informative :D
Great vid. Subbed. See you at 100k homey!
not really a fan of pe foam because it kinda make the board louder which isnt exactly what im looking for. Might try out the switch pads.
How would the Switchpad + switch Film sound with Unlubed BLUE/clicky switches.
Cannot find anything online about this
the thocc is mad ngl
Thock Gang :)
They all sound really hollow but I suppose that's just the KBD67 Lite?
I tried to do as much of that as I could with the foam I put in under the PCB foam, but unfortunately, the KBD67 lite is hard to make sound un-hollow
Do you think the switch pads would mute the board? I bought a new Q1, never heard the stock board sound before and put on the switch pads right away. It sounded super muted now and im not sure if i should remove it.
PE wins. Cheap/free and thockier. No brainer. Nice review and comparison my dude. Thank you.
When you assembled and pe modded it, was it quite difficult to screw the PCB, pe-foam, silicone layer, and plate together? I just did it and it was like I needed slightly longer screws - it just about caught the thread.
Hmm, it wasnt too difficult for me. I will say that it definitely felt a little bit tighter, but not to the point of issues closing the case. What case do you have?
@@tjptech5206 The new V3 aluminium case.
Great vid pe foam took it for me
PE Foam mod really does the trick, especially for how significantly the sound is improved
Someone (maybe stupidfish?) needs to make pe foam switch pads adhesive based
SwagKeys.com has released some that look very promising :)
May I ask have you try putting tape on the above surface of PCB. It's like PE foam mod but using tape instead of PE foam. Does it produce the same sound as PE foam? Im in middle of lock down so I can't get masking tape to try this myself :(.
Ooh I have to try that, Im not sure how good it would be for the board, but I will have test it sometime.
can I have the link to the liner mod from Keybored? cant seem to find it, thanks
We need a stryrofoam keyboard Stat! That's the true end game.
hello can i use PE foam as PCB foam with soldered keyboard?
I think I'll go and combine both the pe foam mod + tempest tape mod.
I believe that would work well together. I have yet to test it yet though. But I’m sure it would sound fantastic :)
Have you experimented with EPDM high density foam for behind PCB etc? I'm unsure what thickness to buy.
I've also found a great source of cheap silicone sheeting. It's listed as 'large silicone cake dough mat' and if you're prepared to ignore the graphics is super cheap for a 50cm x 40cm sheet.
How do you like it?
you are gonna blow up very soon i know it
Which should I go for? Keysporon pads or PE pads
Underrated content
Did the pads make it hard to insert switches? And is it worth it with a silicone dampener.
Great overview and guide! Easy sub from me :)
Thanks so much. Your PE foam mod material was the one I linked the description, as well as the one I used to initially learn how to do it :D
@@tjptech5206 I appreciate the support
Hello in your opinion, can this switch pad replace plate/pcb foam?
I know the the kbdfans foam pads are poron. Some places are selling PE material switch pads. Is PE dangerous for messing up the pcb?
Only certain types of PE are, the issue/ concern with them is static discharge, there are PE foams for product packing which have ESD protection but don't have links for you for sheets to do the PE mod.
what is the source for your cabinet/shelf liner
how thick is the pe foam you used for this mod?
I believe it is 1/16 inch (or 1.58mm), and it works fine with my specific board perfectly.
It is linked in the description :)
Awesome review!
can i use a kbd fans switch pads on a non hotswap PCB?
Nice Job man. Thx!
Glad you enjoyed :)
the foam does not make good contact, I think the best cheap is the tape and the most recommended switch pads
wait so can you do all these mods at once, or no?
Subbed great videos dude
Appreciate it :D
How many layers of tape did you aply for tempest tape mod?
What does "Holee mod" means?
does the Switch Pads make the switch sit higher?
Can you recommend any to replace the pe foam mod???
Can i just use all three options?
whats your favorite tactile switch?
can it squeeze hard enough to combine both pe and switch pads?
not in all keyboard but, I guess you can always try.
What if I did all of the mods?
When you don’t want to test each mods individually. Put switch pads+pe foam+tempest mod wkwkw
Tape mod actually sounded the best lol I like clack pe foam is being over used it makes all boards character lost it does sound good but the switch sound goes away and just true into a thicker thock sure thock is good but sometimes it'd to much a nice pop/clack imo has character and life lol if anything I hear people say the lbd67 lite has plenty of thock I don't see wanting more lol at times its to much imo but it sounds good sure but gets old quick the more thocky builds/pe foam builds you do the more you will end up swaying more towards clack it always happens everyone wanna thock at first thne overtime the clack is what starts attracting people lol
More Thock the better
@@OHOE1 not for me but hey all preference. I like a lively build that has a nice higher pitch as people would call clack lol.
Switch pads sound like pop corn popping in a microwave.
Rather have the option to remove the switch pad layer.
please dont process your sound tests, if your mic isn't good enough to give that good of a sound, then just leave it as raw as possible (that you're comfortable with)
PE sounds best, IMO.
cant you just do all 3 to have the ultimate thock
I honestly cant tell the difference. But please bro learn how to type, you are keyboard reviewer and typing is part of its soul. Looking forward to your next review.
возьми pcb+plate+switch, и залей это все силиконом, типа силикон вместо case
How about all three
I just uploaded that video featuring the combination of all 3 mods :)
Hello, there, love to check your video, and just wondering how to cooperate with you, as we are a mech keeb seller. and also send you an email for business enquiry. and looking forward to hearing from you.
Thank you, I apprecate your interest, my business email is tylertjpofficial@gmail.com
pe foam is deeper thocks
Thock Gang :)
everything sounds good but the spacebar.... 💀 at least for me.
i thought tempest also might damage pcb?
That space bar sounds like I'm getting slapped!
Opinions are like the other…state the obvious? Nothing special one can report and outcome always the same: get what sounds good, looks best and fits your budget.
Damn just another thing for me to throw my money at
haha I get the feeling, I havent been in the keyboard community fo too long but I have already gotten addicted to spending money on everything I see
great video, but dude do you know you have 5 five fingers on your right hand? lol you type like my dad
Lmao. Yeah I am pretty bad at typing. Ever since I have gotten into the keyboard community I have improved my wpm from 40 to 80. But that doesn’t excuse my awful typing style lol.
@@tjptech5206 Im impressed you can get 80 on just 2 right fingeres lol
What if you use all the mods together?
The switch pads make almost no difference. Might as well just go stock
Did you try it yourself or just an observation from the sound test?
bro really trynna be like shoobs not even try to hide it same camera angle same vibe same hand movements
This is the first time I’ve seen someone with as bad of a right hand as me for typing
Haha I think my more dexterious left hand is from gaming, leaving my right hand useless when typing lol.
@@tjptech5206 pretty much the same with me, don’t think I could fix it either unless I get a split board
@@Joeleon2 yeah I was thinking about getting blank keycaps to try and relearn a proper typing method lol. Idk if it would work, and it would be nice to be able to type faster… and just better lol.
my breathing sounded more diff than this
Another con for the pe foam mod is that it makes all boards with pe mod sound the same or almost the same
Why does that matter if it improves the sound?
@@krystof5271 It does matter if you have multiple keyboards and don’t want all of them to sound like a Jelly75😉
It doesn't matter since almost everyone is going for the same ThOCc sound anyway.
atleast its still a keyboard..yeah!
I noticed the KBD pads did basically nothing
Maybe it’s not so evident in this video but they do sound different when you actually hear them side by side but with all other variables being the same. I do PE foam mod if I want to shoot for a thockier sound (making sure that I use switches and plates that creates thockier sound as well). I would use switch pads for clackier builds but to further help reduce hollowness.
Another enthusiast who spends and absurd amount of time and money on a hobby but doesn't even know the basics of how to use a keyboard. Holy crap, learn how to type. Imagine car enthusiasts who drove with their left foot on the gas and right on the brake.
Jesus use more than just your pointer finger to type lol who on earth didnt take a typing class in high school?!!
you are so silent copared to other videos
my keeb has tempest, holee, switch pads, Poron gaskets, poron case foam, and poron foam under space, shift, enter and backspace.