James O'Brien meets reformed National Front member | LBC
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James O'Brien talks to Matthew Collins, a former member of the National Front.
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The idea that if we can just sort this _one thing_ out then everything else will fall into place by itself is such a powerful hook to the human brain.
It's exactly how brexit was sold, I wonder how many NF members from the 80s were out there helping the leave campaign.
Yep, the single villain theory.
@@redlightmax
It's action movie logic, isn't it? What appears at the beginning to be a complex series of events with even more complex, partially understood causes ends up being the result of the actions and motivations of one individual, who is then destroyed. What appeared complex and overwhelming becomes simple and comprehensible. Even if you can't solve the problem, that provides a feeling of security - it's sort of, 'Ok. At least I know what the problem is now.' It's like fixing a car or something; you feel so much more stressed when the problem _could_ be any number of things or a number of different things together than you do when you identify that it's just one thing.
@Errors will multiply Very well said! And I’d like to add that it frightens me how many people actually base their reasoning on super hero movies. Tim Pool, for instance, only understands what has been portrayed in a Marvel movie.
It's so important to forgive people when they truely mend their ways, other wise we are all truely f*ct 😳
All these ppl voted for austerity because it would accelerate the crisis.
And brexit*
Yes forgiveness is important. But so is tolerance. Some people simply don’t see things the same way we do. I can’t change their mind - all I can do is take steps when their thoughts become actions. Picking on someone who has done nothing to you personally whatsoever just because they have a different skin colour/sexuality/political view - it’s all wrong.
Unfortunately, if a person is known to be associated with certain taboos, they'll always be stigmatized for it, even if they change their life around. People may forgive but will never forget the things a person did. The only way to move on is, for one to leave their social groups and relations, set up in a community somewhere completely new and build new social relationships.
Fact
I love seeing people rebuild their lives like this
Weird kink
@@joshuataylor3550 Loving seeing something positive isn't considered a kink 🙄 grow up.
Indeed Tommy it gives us hope in humanity .
check out soft white underbelly on TH-cam. not always positive ending but very eye opening
I don’t trust him
It’s always been a tactic to target people that are seeking acceptance or have a damaged upbringing. Hence the “cult like” feeling to many of these movements.
Yeah. I know a woman who's life has been utterly ruined by poor decision making and ravaged by drugs and alcohol. She's nice enough in herself but she knows how messed up her life is. There's basically been lots of abuse in her life and not from foreigners yet she has this habit of talking about how right Tommy Robinson is regarding Pakistani grooming gangs. I'm a mixed Welsh Arab and find listening to that kind of thing pretty hard. I know it happens but the fact that the abuse was from her own and is largely systemic involving so many people annoys me no end.
@@MrPiccolop Just ask yourself why 'Tommy Robinson' concentrates on a specific type of groomer. He doesn't care about the victims.
@@DS-od1kb exactly , he takes a very real issue (Pakistani groomers) and turns it into the only issue rather than one part of a very big issue
Yeah exactly like the cult he's in now
Always, look at religious fundamentalism they aren't targeting the 18 year old guy with his own small business and a BMW, they're going after the one who can't get his act together.
The National Fronts old policies are now Tory Party policies.
There's a lot of black and Asian tories these days. Are they NF?
@@lordsummerisle852 no, the Tory party hooked them. The rest comes later. By then it’s too late…
@@lordsummerisle852 That's just sugar-coating their wicked image and masquerading to seem positive misleadingly.
@A A sure.
It could also be that Labour can no longer just rely on the black and Asian vote as a shoo in.
There's a rapidly growing black and Asian Middle ( bourgeoisie) class who don't automatically gravitate towards voting Labour
If that was true … they would be 20% ahead in the polls
I remember seeing “NF” written on walls everywhere when I was growing up. In my innocence I actually thought that Nottingham Forest had a huge following in London.
Found out that definitely wasn’t the case when I got jumped by them sometime later.
The NF do not represent
Britain. They are a nasty endpoint on a path that some people take to explain away the wrongs in their own lives. There is no excuse or reason to pick on someone who has done nothing to you personally, that’s a bully’s mindset and I find it abhorrent. Unfortunately people like that exist everywhere. Sorry it happened to you. I hope the 1% didn’t cloud your views on the 99%.
I thought "NF" stood for Nottingham Forest as well!
Think a lot of people fell for that at the time.
Ha ha ha ha😂😂😂😂
I used change the NF tag to NFFC at in the classroom etc a few times in the late 70's 😊👍🏼
😳🤯 mind blown! Thank you for your honesty.
Defecting white supremacists talking about how they left the ideology is so valuable that it should be classified as a form of civil service.
White Suprematists?
As perhaps it should with any form of extremism?
@Sam Benford I think its a massive issue.
I've seen a few friends radicalised at football matches.
Its sad
@@sambenford7511 Um, sure. But this is one of the salient threats now, so maybe don't water it down by generalizing immediately?
Hardly a threat these days
To be fair, they talk about how he was "recruited" by guys on the street, but he also said he went up to them and said "I've desperately been trying to join your organisation" so I'm not exactly sure how much recruitment was necessary by the sounds of it.
Yeah I peeped that as well. The story doesn’t check out.
The term is GROOMING
Anyone else see the thumbnail and think Elton John was a NF member?!
I grew up in a small English village in the 70s and 80s and lived next to a family who were all NF. Mum, dad, daughter and son. Stopped me walking along the path, made me walk in the road. Had NF and 'go home' daubed on our house by either them or their mates. Got spat in the face by the daughter. Me, my 2 sisters and mum on a council estate in the 70s and 80s wasn't always fun. But there were several decent people on the estate too, so it wasn't all bad. Left the village when I got older and would go into some of the pubs when I came back to visit, and would see those same old NF faces. I'd talk to them and say hi. Several seemed to be a bit embarrassed around me and were ever so nice, having grown up and times having changed. I think a lot of them saw the NF as a sense of belonging, a lot of those guys were lost with no purpose in life. Me and one of the old NF guys spoke about what happened to my family, but I hadn't brought it up. He said sorry, I didn't ask him to apologise. I told him that it was okay and not to let it bother him anymore, I didn't hold any grudges towards him. Fair play to him for being the man and trying to put things right with me. I could see that he'd changed and we had a pint together.
The old man who was the dad at the NF family next door had recently been keeping an eye on my mother who lives alone and cutting her hedges and going to the tip for her. Until he died a couple of years ago. His skinhead son got serious brain damage following a terrible motorbike accident and his daughter died of illness. His wife passed too. He ended up losing his whole family and lived the last few years on his own. He was actually an ok guy and I thanked him for keeping an eye out for my mother. Life's too short for grudges and bitterness. It's like holding a burning coal in your hand tightly and hoping that the other person gets burned. It's pointless and just eats away at you. People change, time to forgive and move on. And I don't really regret all the abuse we got, it made me a stronger person. There's hope for anyone who wants to change, Groups like NF and also the football hooligan groups of that era were really just something that some young lads felt gave them a sense of identity and belonging. Half of them didn't really know what it stood for, they were just happy to be accepted into a group and given a chance to prove how 'tough' they were. We all make mistakes, time to move on.
Very wise words, I was never part of this movement but as a young middle class kid who due to my dyslexic ended up knocking around with the tough kids, I was always rather embarrassed by some of the young kids around me.
Powerful comment, thanks.
Thank you for your story. I'm not for hate of any kind....but I don't believe in simple forgivness any more either. Sometimes people need to be held accountable to their actions. Sometimes lives are irrevocably damaged by others' calousness, stupidity, meanness, hate. And if it's a systemic problem, and the existing culture is not very helpful, the responsible thing to do is to teach those people a lesson by showing them somethings are not ok and never will be ok.
Because sometimes, you can drop that burning coal only to find out you HAVEN'T gotten stronger as a result of what happened. And that can open you up to more problems. Your post just reminded me of how loving and open I was as a kid (not naive, just naturally open) and how the tactic "to forgive/let it slide" hasn't really worked for many things. But I totally believed me forgiveness was panacea at some point in my life. Now I don't.
how are radicals allowed outside a football stadium to begin with
Because we don't beat seven shades out of them.
As long as they're not being violent or abusive there isn't much anyone can do. Free country and all that.
@DoubtingThomas Freedom of association football* 😉
It was the 1980s. The police certainly weren't stopping them. And football is still struggling to address racism in 2023.
Not usually a fan - but fair play great interview James - more like this please
It’s incredibly sad that even today in the age of mobile technology, we seemingly don’t have the ability to research a topic prior to subscribing to a potentially insidious and dangerous organisation. This occurs even today; we only have to look at those who believed the lies of Brexit preferring to believe a myriad of tabloids and gutter press.
I think the NF and groups like them are basically the destination of people with legitimate anger and frustration turning into something genuinely nasty. Mass immigration and cultural assimilation ARE a problem for all kinds of reasons that can and should be debated openly. But picking on individuals for their skin colour who have done nothing whatsoever to you is not a reasonable response. That’s just plain old bullying.
He said he lived in Kidbrooke where NF were daubed on the walls everywhere. I lived there too in the 70s. As very young junior school aged black children, we were always having wyte people set their very big dogs after us for no reason.. sending us running for our lives. Glad when my family left that estate in the late 70s.
Meh they do it to us. Get them out.
As soon as Kidbrooke was mentioned it all fell into place. The area be it Bexley, Welling, Eltham and Kidbrooke was a Petri dish for terrible extremism with the BNP headquarters nearby. Anyone with an issue with society could blame it someone who didn’t look like them and buy the propaganda on their doorstep.
Yes, agreed.
I had to reject an entry into Bexley Grammar for that reason.
Steven Lawrence
This is yet another example of how critical thinking should be a class in school.
Wasn't it partly critical thinking that got Socrates in trouble just before taking the hemlock?
More like critical race theory
So long as it applies to all forms of extremism.
@@kingflixmovies837 That is the point of critical thinking.
@@andrewleyden2752 absolutely but sometimes I feel that James O Brien and his ilk could do more to investigate tribalism within minority communities (it does exist btw) instead of giving the impression that only working class white people are the problem.
I've had the privilege of meeting this man on 2 occasions. His talks and seminars are so interesting, enthralling and he is so engaging. If you have the opportunity to hear him speak please take advantage of this, he will open your eyes. A mind once expanded, never returns to his original size.
But of course it's the fault of the weak, vulnerable and marginalised groups, they're the only ones you can look down upon and you can only look down, because otherwise you're looking at yourself or one's betters and it's definitely not one's betters, they're better, they can't be making a complete mess of things.
thank you Matthew...
Where's the lies. They speak facts. Enoch powell spoke facts. Rip england.
So I ask rather daringly: are we able to apply the same attitude and understanding to people who are radicalised beyond the UK and of a different colour?
Yes, absolutely *if* as this guy has, they’ve completely abandoned the ideology that they used to embrace. To be honest though people within the UK are the priority. Similarly I don’t know why someone outside the UK would want our understanding?
@@CHuzz7777 absolutely. But what if people in this country are not supported to challenge their way of thinking. Instead they are punished and penalised. I raise this question because there is stark differences between how different groups of people yield different response. If Shamima Begum was to renounce the extremist views of ISIS, would she be given the same support and platform? That's where we need to work on, bridge the gap.
@@mariaharmani5013 this guy never killed anyone or watched anyone be killed he just had an extreme view. We also have to bridge the gap on thought to actual murders,
@@elizabethripkey so it's acceptable for British people to go and fight in Ukraine. But another group of people went to fight war, they are labelled as extremists. I am trying to demonstrate persistent biases that are prevalent and affect the way we engage with these people. Whether they have acted on their views or not. In the same way, if you were to review the criminal sentences for those who acted out these extreme views, there is significant disparity betweens members of the far right and acts vomited by people of colour. Future conversations should not be divisive but cohesive. This wats extreme people from anywhere cannot divide a country. We all believe that such views have no place in the UKm
@@mariaharmani5013 I don't agree with anyone fighting in any war, governments have far too much power and control over the population, are you trying to compare isis to the national front? No1 should be punished for extreme views
Its like a real life version of Higher Learning.
It seems to me that the NF played the same role in his life as Andrew Fate does for a lot of young men these days.
Absolutely, Andrew Tate and his incel friends do the same thing, they give answers to vulnerable minded kids and men excuses to their problems. Radicalising them
I suppose you'd rather they were indoctrinated by the state?
@@user-sn2ko1cx6lI’m not an Andrew Tate fan but who do you suggest young men look up to my friend ?
@@reidycruise No one. Look up to no one and you’ll look down on no one
@LBC it would be great if you published these podcasts as full videos. You lose so much nuance when you can't see people's faces especially with the topics discussed on full disclosure. It's the reason why so many long form podcasts with full video releases are far more popular than those without.
It's also probably why James' daily LBC clips are so popular. Running the full daily timeslot as VODs each day would likely rake in an absolute TON of views on TH-cam.
I fully agree
It has been, the link is in the details 😊
@@thefirm4606 it's just audio unfortunately
@@jpjapers ah, my apologies! Then I wholeheartedly agree, they should include the entire interview.
Adults taking an unaccompanied minor to a pub for drinks? Not dodgy at all.
Having a pint somewhat under age really wasn't out of the ordinary back then
When we were in the sixth dorm 16/17 maybe we'd meet up in the pub on a Friday. Often our teachers were in the other bar, I realise now this was so they could plausibly "not see us"
These groups don't even need to recruit anymore and that says a lot.
yes scary fascism is on the rise again
That's one of the many consequences of the internet. These people can congregate online and radicalise each other so easily now.
Yeah. I mean pretty much everyone is far right these days apart from Saint James and Owen Jones
You want to be far more worried about the threat of foreign criminals than you do the Far Right!!
Is the National Front, the same as the " Front National " in France?
They are similar.
I listened to this in full last week and it was a engrossing listen. Also the pod with Tony Robinson this week was also superb.
Where can we hear the full clip?
@@dylansharkey6040 look for James' 'Full Disclosure' podcast.
1 man's experience,2 mens' conflation and 0 salient points. Too much virtue.
A narcissistic coward who couldn't just change his mind and slip into the background. No he decided to become a 'grass' and inform on his friends. Information that led to people being imprisoned and separated from their families. A little boy who craved being in the company of proper men.
The population of London is so happy and not angry!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Fair play that he realised his mistakes ! But I was a working class, uneducated teenager In the 70s going to football every week and I still knew what was right or wrong even back in those dark days !! I had black mates and I could
never understand all the hate.Not to sure I can trust anyone like him!!
"Not to sure I can trust anyone like him" Then your prejudice runs deeper than his based on choices instead of skin colour.
Would you rather he just stayed the way he was?
@@Chris-xl6pd think he’s saying he can’t rationalise with the guy’s choice regardless of being reformed or not. Even though they have similar upbringings.
@@Chris-xl6pd All Trust involves an element of risk. Personally, I am quite impressed by the guest.
@@leonhenry4861 ⁷
No one is beyond redemption.
NF was 40 years or so ago ! Hardly a groundbreaking interview.
There are many other problems now plaguing London and the rest of the country.
Yes, a former BNP member would be more relevant
I think you need to interview a ex Muslim extremists. That would help
Similar motivations. Initially, poverty or feeling of lack, feeling of exclusion, the "other" made your life a misery, without the "other" your life will be miles better, the promise of Nirvana/Heaven/Paradise/Better life/better society, either now or after death, if the "other" is eliminated/removed/get rid of, etc.
There are very few differences in extremist recruitment techniques and motivations. It's always others' fault, either the insignificant minority or the non-plussed majority. It's the others' faults. Remove them!
The full podcast should be on TH-cam
Genuinely thought that was Mark Francois at the start.
Steady on, the poor guy's had a rough time as it is :-)
Francois is a perfect caricature for an NF member from the 70s. I was around a few NF politicians in the late 70s…all of them very deluded but committed to their hatred. 😳
How can I watch the full interview?
Bring back the national front 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 needed more than ever.
Wow this was so insightful
Has there been a duller 10 minutes ever uploaded to the internet?
RIP Ian Anderson.
James
Great example of interview 👍
the school I went to in the early 80s, most of my class were skins and a lot were NF, it was basically normalised I remember another boy in the class telling me that his red bootlaces were about "blood over the blacks" and other guys just nodding along. The walls on the estate were covered in NF and swastikas
Radicalisation is in all walks of human life , no matter your skin colour , religion , beliefs , age , where you live. Hope this show , shows radicalisation from other walks of life from today's society too and not just from 40 years ago.
Lil Matty Collins used to come and see our band back in the 90's.He used to hang around with some top boys.I always thought he was a nice lad.
I remember the days of NF graffitied on every wall. Nigel Farage is its metaphorical contemporary reincarnation.
Great guest
A true, proud Englishman. This country has a great future with these sort of people. The greatness of English people is blinding
I hate to dampen your enthusiasm, but do you recognise the irony of your post?
You cheered the virtues of this man breaking free of extreme nationalistic views in very nationalistic terms. You placed great emphasis on his "Englishness" which seems quite at odds with his message.
Would a German or a Welshman breaking free of a right wing extremist group be worthy of any more or less adulation? Is there some uniquely English trait that makes this change of heart possible?
Maybe it was a joke, maybe the irony is the point. On the Internet you can never be sure so I thought I'd just check.
His background is part Irish - I hope if he was part Nigerian or part Jamaican you would also be celebrating the greatness of his Englishness?
@@b3n3d1ct10n Strange use of the word ‘part’. How many generations have to pass before you consider someone is just English or will they and their descendants remain forever ‘part’ of a country and culture in which they weren’t born and which didn’t shape them? The NF would be pleased that some people still wish to divide us in this way.
You mean the foot-soldiers of the Norman-French ?
@@CHuzz7777His father is (was?) Irish, so there’s very little separation in this case.
He was 14 or 15 and they took him to the pub and bought him a pint?
Illegal drinking does happen in pubs more so going back the years.
Clearly you are not aware of how alcohol laws are/used to be in certain countries. They also at least partially reflected what is/was considered acceptable.
No problem, back in the day there was no IDing people as a matter of course. You looked 18 or near enough and bingo...a pint.
@@verystripeyzebra Then there was the older guy bought you a pint while you stayed out of sight.
@@briancarton1804 lol that old chestnut.
Or smoking a cigar and reading the evening paper, to blend in as a businessman. Lol.
"Every wall had NF on it?"
Really? I grew up in Carshalton in the 70s and 80s and never saw one. "Anarchy" and CND few times but never NF.
If this doesn't interest you then nothing will
Anyone know, whether Global pay their taxes?
This is why critical thinking/reason/logic/philosophy should be taught at school. - If the NF newspaper sellers were 'convincing' in a conversation then I would suggest the person listening was not particularly bright and probably quite needy.
He said himself that he was. He also said it was the first time in his whole life that adult men had sat down and listened to him - how sad is that? He was ripe for the picking.
Grooming before it was a thing 😱
The living standards of the average UK citizen has fallen to that of a Slovene, and within the decade will be equal to a Pole (which is lower still). Take from that what you will
UK Reform party ,I think it's called now.😉
Wunch of bankers.
Yes, the latest facet of the right-wing cult is Reform and Richard Tice, the fuhrer.
@@ohgosh5892 Gesundheit.
This guy was never in the nf
Sounds like the beginnings of Gilead.
Why can't James look at this fella when he's talking? Re-arranging paperwork, looking miserable.
It's amazing how he's changed when he's gone past his youthfulness of strength and aggression, very admirable 🤷🏽♂️🤣glad he's a better human being 👍🏽
Back in the day, strength and aggression were admired qualities in a man. I like to think we are starting to move on from that time.
@@shaunclubberlang2887 Strength, whether of body, mind or character, remains admirable surely?
Britain had slaves.what happened to them?they intermarried so we all got black,Chinese, indian.accept it
Eh??
Not to dissimilar to Andrew tates modern day method of recruitment
It really isn't
As ever …. JOB thinks right wingers are everywhere
A reformed member of the National Front? So he is still a member of the National Front then... where does the reformation come into it?
Obviously not
Careful dude, dont pretend you arent expressing the same hate you think you stand against. You are just drawing it ideologically which you seem to think is ok.
@Chris Listen, my friend, I am a Black man. Overstand this, I am not expressing any hate, just questioning the curious phrase 'a reformed member of the National Front'. How can you be 'a reformed member of the National Front'? He is either a member of the National Front, or he isn't. Makes no sense. Don't make assumptions about what I think or the views you think I espouse.
I don't think the NF members register is anything to worry about. They're not well known for their administrative precision.
The Catholic Church doesn't have a resignation process to go through either. If you become an atheist, you simply become another kind of Catholic, a lapsed Catholic, which is like the prodigal son before he returns to the faith.
It just shows that single mothers can do thier best but you cant replace a string father figure
Single fathers do better - with much less support
Too many confused people in this world live and let live
Nt stand that james o Brian he is far left
Tripe
I was in the Music Against Nazis movement early 70s right up to January 1990. I must say that I really, really hate Nazis. And I resent the way I am treated NOW because I have changed my nationality from British to Irish, (thanks grandad), because of Brexshite racism.
Mad respect for this guy but… He’s like Penfold from Danger Mouse
James doesn’t listen at all
The whole time the other guy was talking he seemed so so so so so disinterested and desperate to speak
James is an awful journalist
You might need a trip to Barnard Castle.
I'm guessing you wrote this without even watching the video... Most of the time Matthew Collins was speaking JOB was out of shot, so how do you know how disinteerested he looked? JOB gave him plenty of time to talk without interuption. You just dislike JOB, if I was to hazard a guess it would be due to your political leanings.
@@Weejie2011 please don’t tell me that you misunderstood that story
@@MrBigSeanno the tone was set in the first half
James doesn’t listen
He just waits to talk
@@MrBigSeanno my political leanings have nothing to do with JOB
this isn’t football
You don’t have to hold a scarf and blindly love or hate someone
I can give examples of him not listening if you want?
At least half a dozen times - JOB’s answer doesn’t match that was said before
Another example is the interviewee doesn’t once speak over the interviewer
At least a dozen times James speaks over him
Often to pause, hold his head and look like he is a great thinker
Holding his arms, looking down and saying “yeah” is just an awful way to conduct an interview
Radicalising someone is literally grooming, people forget that.
I wonder when a former knee taker will ever show such humility.
Don't think you understand what taking a knee meant fella 🤣🤣
Or more accurately, when will an anti knee taker show such humility. Anyone that is against a symbol promoting racial justice needs to take a look at themselves.
Found the comment boys!
@@MrBigSeanno my boy tried cheating in his maths test.
"Who gave you that idea, son?"
"Raheem Sterling. He's my role model."
humility for what
NF was always marginal in my lifetime.
This interview gives it undeserved airtime.
British fascism trying to reinvent itself.
And if they get a grip/edge on power, watch what will happen:
Loss of people's rights.
Boomer take
Pretty sexist to say women need men to change lightbulbs
Has he really changed?!
I think in alot of cases, it's because men are taller 😄
Are you thick or purposely missrepresenting what he said? Did you ignore the context so you could have a little rant.
@@namesurname2958 how can you tell someone is a man?
@@Chris-xl6pd bless you 🐑
You must have missed the bit where he said his Mum did absolutely everything.
Classic mod character type who infiltrated the plp. Closet torys, austerity voters, accelerationists, keks..
Why give it a platform??
what nf front said would happen has happened.
we now have unrestricted immergration.
will not get that in Hungary.
this conversions is one way.
this guy is a water melon
green on the outside red on
the inside.
Untrue. You don't have unrestricted immigration. Not the type you're thinking off. European immigration was unrestricted but not blacks or Asians which inknow is what your thinking off.
A watermelon is pink on the inside.
immergration? lol. Gotta try some of that.
@@Shaggy-8392 We never had unrestricted EU immigration we could send them back after 3 months if they didn't have jobs but successive governments chose not to implement it.
@@MrRailjunkie Farage, the sun,Mail and Express never mentioned that.
Education is very important for understanding how the world works ( and for being able to spell 'immigration' correctly). The uneducated are vulnerable to simplistic solutions, often hateful and violent ones because anything else is too difficult to grapple with.
There was a recent mini-series about Martin Collins called The Walk In.
Didn’t watch the whole video but I assume James brings up brexit at some point.
I always find it incredibly frustrating when I see Irish people of descent complaining about 'blady foreigners" in Blighty!
' No Blacks
No Dogs
No Irish'.
Morrissey and Anne Marie Waters et al....
Yes, this is crazy to me. I grew up in Manchester though and most Irish people lived amongst the Jamaicans/Africans in areas like Moss Side. Many of them now have Black people in their friendship circle and families.
Maybe it was different down south, but a lot of the Irish community in Manchester have strong links with the Black community.
Top banana! This guys done great work. Solidarity!
Nobody likes a quitter
You still IN the NF, Dillon? 🤔
@@andrewrobinson2565 not British my man, so don't think they'd have me to be honest. This is England is literally my only reference for nf and I didn't like how they dressed so I think I'll pass if they ever reach out