1978 SPECIAL REPORT: "TIM AND MIKE CARTER SPEAK OUT ON JONESTOWN"
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- By October 1978, all of the defectors had allied with Stoen and the Concerned Relatives.
On October 3, Stoen told the State Department that he would retrieve his son John from Jonestown by force if necessary. Three days later he sent a telegram reiterating the threat and warning of the danger of mass suicide at the settlement.
As pressure grew, the Temple learned that Stoen would accompany a investigatory trip by Rep. Ryan to Guyana. On November 15, 1978, both Grace and Tim Stoen traveled with the Ryan delegation to Georgetown. However, they were not permitted to accompany the delegation on its trip to Jonestown on November 17.
While the Stoens remained in Georgetown, the Ryan delegation was attacked on November 18 at an airstrip in Port Kaituma, near Jonestown. Ryan and four others were killed by Temple members wielding rifles and shotguns, while several others were injured.
Stoen encountered Jones' son Stephan in his Georgetown hotel, neither knowing that Jones was conducting a mass murder-suicide two hundred miles away.
As they spoke, 909 inhabitants of Jonestown, 276 of them children, died of apparent cyanide poisoning, mostly in and around the settlement's central pavilion. An audio recording of Jones, speaking to his followers during the massacre, mentions Stoen: Jones stated:
What we'd like to get are the people that caused this stuff, and some - if some people here are p - are prepared and know how to do that, to go in town and get Timothy Stoen, but there's no plane. There's no plane. You can't catch a plane in time. He's responsible for it. He brought these people to us. He and [Jeannie Mills]. The people in San Francisco will not - not be idle over this. They'll not take our death in vain, you know. ...
It's suicide. Plenty have done it. Stoen has done it. But somebody ought to live. Somebody - Can they talk to - and I've talked to San Francisco - see that Stoen does not get by with this infamy - with this infamy. He has done the thing he wanted to do. Have us destroyed. ...
Tim Stoen has nobody else to hate. He has nobody else to hate. Then he'll destroy himself.
- Jim Jones on the final "death tape"
Jones also discussed whether the Temple should include Stoen among the names of those committing "revolutionary suicide", and whether to include children in the plan:
do you think I'd put John's life above others? If I put John's life above others, I wouldn't be standing with Ujara [nickname of Don Sly, a Temple member who attempted to stab Rep. Ryan]. I'd send John out - out, and he could go out on the driveway tonight. ... I know, but he's no - he's no different to me than any of these children here. He's just one of my children. I don't prefer one above another. I don't prefer him above Ujara. I can't do that. I can't separate myself from your actions or his actions.
- Jim Jones on the final "death tape"
Six-year-old John Stoen was found poisoned in Jim Jones' cabin at Jonestown.[66] The mass murder-suicide was the greatest single loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until September 11, 2001.
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Why would they do this? I will try to help you out.
@@steeveekeys1904They want us to forget the past....We were lied to about Jonestown just like every other EVIL demonic things these demons do to innocent people....
IVe recently been having an obsession with this incident
Same here too!
The 2 or 3 ( can't remember ) part series that Leonardo DiCaprio helped produced has alot of insight about the Jonestown tragedy....definitely worth the watch
@@Ms.Cortez5653 it’s amazing
Yes its a fascinating piece of history iv bin studying this about 6 years its a big case to study wot are your thouts Neil england
Me too…lately
I still think Tim Carter knows more than what he’s said
OF COURSE HE WAS GIVEN $1.5 MILLION DOLLARS 1 HOUR BEFORE THE KILLINGS TO TAKE TO THE RUSSIAN EMBASSY. AND JONES LE HIM GO PERSONALLY BUT TOLD HIM HIS SON WILL DIE FIRST. HE SAID THAT HIMSELF
well, thats like thinking it was all just suicide, or the CIA stuff, it is stupid and pointless, reallity is just more simple, he was like everyone else there, mentally kidnapped by killer Jones.
@@cobijing but I’m basing it in reality. Leslie has questions still and she lives there.
Who are these two? Were they just cult followers? Part of the inner circle in the cult? Or the armed guards that Jim Jones had in the commune?
@@BM-qw8hy the Carters were part of the inner circle. They, along with Mike Prokes, were tasked with carrying a suitcase full of money to the Soviet embassy in Georgetown. They dumped it in the jungle.
Tim Carter was as dirty as dirty got in the entire Jonestown massacre. Left Jonestown at the direction of Jim Jones with nearly 1 million dollars and firearms. Was captured trying to flee Guyana and did nothing to try and alert authorities or stop the carnage. Much more to the "Tim Carter" story than this blip.
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By the time the authorities caught up with Carter, the massacre was already over. Who was he supposed to tell while walking through the jungle?
Jackie Spier said that Tim was trying to infiltrate the Concerned Relatives group in Berkeley right before the Guyana trip. She said this in an interview soon after the massacre.
@@msw8839 I wonder how many nights Tim Carter sat alone, wondering how and why he did what he did. Jonestown had a select few absolutly loyal followers who would kill for him, and did. Maria Katsaris, Carolyn Layton, Larry Layton Rebecca Moore, Sarah Troop and good ol Tim Carter to name a few. He knew all that was to be known in Jonestown and what was to happen on that day, yet he did nothing to save 900 lives. On the up side, he lives with this every day, as a coward dies a thousand deaths. The victims in Jonestown only died once.
@@1999glock Yes! Mikes Prokes' suicide... don 't think he could live with himself. Do you mean Annie Moore? What a zealot! Tim also tries to make people think that he saved Leo Ryan from the knife attack. He follows Ryan out to the truck but says nothing to Ryan or anyone. He looks like a brooding, lurking cult member with an oversized Where's Waldo shirt. Mike Carter has not been interviewed for over 40 years on camera. Interesting.
This is a very deep rabbit hole
They don’t call it the Jonestown Vortex for nothing- beware
The Heavens Gate “Space Cult” created by Marshall Applewhite-‘Do’ & his partner Bonnie Nettles-‘Ti’ is also a deep dive research experience. Addictive research.
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Wow, your channel has the most amazing historical documentaries
I thought I've seen most/ if all footage on Jonestown. I was wrong. Bravo sir.
I have watched several interviews with Tim Carter. I have never questioned his story. People think he's lying bc he took an opportunity to get out of there. I would've done the same thing! They left the suitcases full of money in the jungle so it was a not amount money. It was an opportunity to get out with their lives. I've never heard any significant changes in his story beginning with this interview which occurred shortly after it happened to most recent interviews. I guess I am just wondering what facts people have for accusing him of knowing more than he's told or that he was somehow involved. I have read books by survivors and I don't understand why they stayed with Jim Jones even before Jonestown. But, I wasn't there and don't know what caused people to blindly follow him. But, they all did, including Tim Carter.
Yeah, I don't understand the hatred and suspicion these guys get. I think people are used to Hollywood style displays of emotion. Real people don't always wear their emotions on their sleeves. I think these guys are just talking, trying to keep it together, exhausted, just shell-shocked. And people take it to mean they are hiding something
Some interviews he says he left before the massacre but in one interviews he says JJ said to kill his son Malcolm. I feel bad for the guy but he’s obviously not telling the whole story.
@@captainbeastazoid7084He's lying. He was a top aide to Jim Jones. That's why he was trusted with the money. Tim said he went to his wife and child and he hugged them and then she went a took the poison. She died in his arms. Why wasn't he forced to take the poison? Because he was working with Jim Jones.
@@kiasky1He may have even shot him also because it would be hard to do that if I had a gun in my hands.
@@kiasky1were you there?
The two brothers got called out at the end! For real though, they had access to guns, didn’t stop it, they could have shot Jones, but no, they flee armed into the jungle with a small fortune! 🤔
they didn’t flee they were given a chance to live and they dropped the suitcases almost immediately after getting into the jungle
There were many more guys with guns surrounding the pavilion he would have only gotten himself killed if he opened fire
@@romillygroarke7358they took the money out of the suitcases first. They say that in several interviews.
Imagine two black brothers coming out the jungle with guns and money
The brotha's only came out one way from Jim's crib...feet first.
These 2 guys Carter's they know more than they are saying
Yeah and Tim Carter's story changes every time he tells it. It never adds up.
@@Bysanthus depends on the decade and how many people are still alive who can tell on him 😂
@@Bysanthus You said it! I've seen him tell so many differing versions of the story and where he was when his wife and son just happened to get poisoned. I'd say at the very least, he's guilty of the murder of his wife and son, but who knows how many more?
One of the worst tragedies in history!
He never shot anybody in his life to his knowledge? What does that mean? Who thinks "maybe I just forgot shooting someone?"
Righttttttt!!!!
he was in vietnam , he’s not going to say yes i’ve shot people before and have people try use him as a murderous scapegoat, but he’s not going to lie so people can find out he’s a veteran and call him a liar because obviously in war when your handling weapons there’s a chance your bullets have killed
Tim and Mike are clearly hiding things but Tim seems very self preserving and cold while Mike seemed guilty
Maybe that's why Mr Prost blew his brains out when he got back to California. Guilt.
Mike was 20 and probably following his brother’s lead, and Tim is absolutely being evasive at some points.
I always wondered why they were not arrested and tried for murder.
They seem rather evasive and shady. Not telling full story maybe?
@@dmmchugh3714 Definitely not the full story Tim Carter missed his calling by not being a politician. Tim Carter is the reason they couldn't get the children out he infiltrated the Concerned Relatives and informed Jones of their plans Mike Carter is a sociopath, his wife, daughter and sister died and he's like "well we went out to deliver a message and something happened". These are the upper royalty of The People's Temple......both still alive.
@@dmmchugh3714 , I sometimes wonder if Tim Carter or Mike Prokes put the bullet in Jim Jones's head and then left with the money in suitcases. They claim they left during the mass suicide, but I wonder if they left afterwards. I notice during these reunion specials, the other survivors do not want to associate or meet with Tim Carter. Mike Prokes committed suicide in 1979 after a press conference praising Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple.
@@patrickmccarron5059 : I completely agree that one of these guys could have shot Jim Jones. In the TH-cam channel "The Most Evil Follower", someone posts the same thought.
These guys were all Mr. Helper up until the suicides were happening .
In these interviews (and in the succeeding years for Tim Carter) , the brothers decry Jones as a madman. Such a turn-around in belief seems rather odd I would say.
@@patrickmccarron5059 excellent analysis! I think you are 100 percent correct!
Tim Carter has made a living playing the "victim" role for what happened in Jonestown, since he lived to tell the story. He was one of a small handful of trusted Jones lieutenants who would carry out any order given to him. Others may have hands as dirty as Tim's, but they arn't talking, if you know what I mean. Few people at Jonestown were more trusted to do as ordered than Tim Carter. He was as complicite as anyone at Jonestown for what happened that day, yet is a free man....selling his story of "victimhood".
I recently saw a video of a newsprogram from '78. The guy Interviewed insinuated that the shootings at Port Kaituma were the random act of Jim Jones' delusional enforcers, which triggered Jones to implement "White Night". Whether this was true, or not, the decision to kill Congressman Ryan, et al, was last minute, rash and confused, as was the decision to implement "White Night". The Csrters were very likely trusted lieutenants of Jim Jones, but as any other trusted figures, with the exception of Sharon Amos, their loyalty didn't extend much further than the gates of Jonestown. It's not hard to consider that they were considered to transport wealth, by Katsaris (perhaps Jones, as well) because of a mixture of youth, health and persumed loyalty. As soon as they left the compound though, the grasp of Jim Jones was gone and they were left to their own survival instincts.
He's manipulative, that's why
I never trusted him. And there is a video of him bragging about how wonderful Jonestown is a few years before the massacre. That's is not proof of any serious crime obviously, but he was all on board with Jonestown. He believed in it 100 percent.
I mean, he did walk out of the compound alive and with the money. So clearly something was going on.
Tim felt something was going to happen on Nov. 18 and Tim was going to escape with his wife and son but then everyone was called to the pavilion and Jim Jones told Tim to take care of his family before leaving with the money.
I read the book, Jim Jones was a master manipulator who tricked all them people into selling everything they owned and moving across seas to what they thought was a tropical dream. But little did they know when they got there they were all basically slaves who were forced to work in the jungle camp by armed sentinels of Jim’s…The food was rationed and was awful..meanwhile Jim Jones lived in a nice cabin with all the creature comforts including his favorite drugs..when the coward knew the police was coming for them from the mainland he made everybody drink poison koolaid…The sight of all the bodies was shocking…too bad that creep took the easy way out because it would have been nice to see him rot in prison for decades!
I always found it to be deliberate when he fed them rice, 3 times a day. Rice is high in arsenic from processing, etc. He was very slow poisoning them.
@@ksjanetka LOL stupid, rice is the main dish in a LOT of countries, nobody dies cuz of that.
the sad was that they believed or feared him so said yes to everything, but they could escape when the temple times in USA, watching stupid magic tricks by Jim, poisoning kids to waking dead men, fake hanging peeps, fake shooting.
Jim Jones was like a government in Jonestown. No wonder Stanley Clayton never trusted an authority that 'has you're best interests', that's why he got out alive in the end
If the Jonestown massacre happened November 18, I'm wondering why so many different Jim Jones and Jonestown videos are popping up on my feed today. Very odd since it's not the anniversary.
Listen to CNN and the democrats they literally parrot jim jones. It hit your news feed to wake you up
@@thomasallen5434
At least democrats didn't attempt a coup when that fat orange clown was in office, etc.
A lot of people are watching because Leonardo about to do the movie
Tim Carter should have been in prison... He was Jones right hand man...
I feel like these 2 were helping keep anybody from running away they were probably on guard thats how they escaped they waited until everyone was dead.
Who the fuck is Tim Carter? You trying to throw an innocent man in prison? You took one mans first name and another mans last name and just said a made up person should go to prison.
@@Pinkugirl Do you even know what you are talking about? Tim Carter was Jim Jones right hand man. He tried to escape with Jim Jones money after they all committed suicide or were murdered. 1:12 is Tim Carter but I'm sure you already know that and you are just trolling because no one can be that dumb.
@@praisekek the video says timothy stoen and mike carter. Did hezakya get it wrong?
@@Pinkugirl Yes he got it wrong. The names are messed up. They are both named Tim. Look it up.
Now he's got tears, his first interview, he was smirking.
Maybe he was in different moods at the time of each recording...
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I suspect Tim had a role in planning the attack on the congressman and his party of defectors. At the very least he probably knew about what was happening before it went down. If so then he absolutely deserves to be in prison.
You’d have no way of proving it. That’s why, 40+ years on, he’s a free man and remains so.
What I’m still trying to figure out is why Larry Layton didn’t do serious jail time in Guyana. He shot both Vern Gosney and Monica Bagby, and tried to kill Dale Parks. He admitted as much. That’s two counts of assault with a deadly weapon, and three counts of attempted murder. That adds up to a life sentence in American courts, yet the Guyanese legal system tossed him. Yet Chuck Beikman, who I’m pretty sure didn’t kill anyone in that bathroom, did five years. I’m pretty sure it’s because the Guyanese wanted to wash their hands of the whole Jonestown affair.
Wow. Just wow.
I’m sure he did, but what was he supposed to do? A lot of y’all don’t take into consideration it seems, the actual conditions these ppl were living in during this time. These ppl couldn’t trust anyone, not even their own relatives living beside them on the commune. I believe he did more than he lets be known as well, but at this point, if it can’t be proven just let God take care of it
Tim didn't forsee the internet. He changes his adjective-laden vague story from interview to interview. He tells different stories in the PBS interview and another story in the 1979 Rolling Stone article, especially in regard to his wife and son.
I saw his interview few different times, everytime it seems the same to me. He saw his wife and son dying and fled from the scene. Though no idea how he could do that.
@@small_joys2022 And don't forget him and his brother had guns. When someone flees the scene of a crime with guns and money, wouldn't you think that they just might be......involved? Barney Fife would have handled this investigation better.
@@steeveekeys1904 true. He simply does not seem distraught enough for somebody who has lost his infant son and wife only few days ago. Seemed like he already had some inkling of what was coming and had planned his escape route accordingly.
Something is up with this dude and it ain't good
@@small_joys2022 Read the Rolling Stone article and compare that to the PBS interview: they are different.
I love how they zoom in on the body language
Tim and Mike Carter gave multiple interviews from Georgetown just a few days after the massacre. They're very insightful and very anti-Jim Jones here, however why weren't they before Nov. 18th? Considering all the insane tirades on the tapes, the all night "white nights", the concentration camp conditions, they didn't notice anything amiss before? 25:50 "You're liars". I don't think they were, however we know that Tim was kind of a righthand man of Jim Jones. The one hiding the most was Mike Prokes who was going along with these interviews, all the while totally pro-Jones and ended up committing suicide 4 months later in tribute to his hero Jones. So sick.
And who was that guy that said that?
@@maryyoung777 was either a family member, or press, or an escapee who called their lying asses out
Gerry Parks, one of the defectors who was staying at the same place in Georgetown.
i remember when this happened, i was quite young....about 13....everyone talked about it.it seemed so bizzare, esp since i had not heard or known of such a thing, since i was so young...[.jones, a madman.]
Funny how the money carriers and watchers miraculously escaped. Tim looks more guilty than sad, and his words are telling to this.
That's bc Tim was a undercover agent & someone of big importance. Jonestown believe it or not was a secret mind control experiment that Leo Ryan was looking into!
Tim Carter is nervous as hell during this interview. Illogical responses to questions, shifting his head, and builds on answers already given. I have a feeling all of us know how these two survived.
HOW?
@@youssefkhattab6615 cos they were in on it
They were all weak minded and broken from the start. Jones just took advantage. Tim and his brother were completely brainwashed and under the control of Jones. He molded them for years to set the up for this point. Tim and his brother had lost all ability for rational thought and if they did figure it out it was too late
he’s in shock
They were so in on it…
Who is that guy accusing them of lying? Starting at 25:53
I think its Walter Jones a former Temple member and one of the concerned relatives group that went to Guyana with Leo Ryan.
I was just informed it’s Harold Cordell…one of the defectors on November 18
WOW!!!
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they're good people who got taken advantage of. Sad.
They willingly followed a psycho path cult leader that believed he was God.
At 0:52 into the interview, the reporter asks: "what did you see before you ran" ? He takes a few minutes before answering and looks around him... it is an indication that he has to think, he has to elaborate, he has to invent a story .... I do not believe him. It is very evident that they are not telling the truth. It turns out that the guy watches his wife and son die and does nothing about it?
In another interview that an argentine reporter did in those days, the question went deeper as to whether they saw who fired the shots. Faced with this question, both decided to leave the interview without answering ...
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25:53, can I buy than man a beer?
Shifty eyes boy....
These interviews are so hard to watch... Especially knowing what happens in Jonestown... Tim and Mike Carter are interesting men...
More like suspicious men
That's wot makes them interesting
I was being nice to say interesting... I 100% Believe the Carter brothers know way more than they are telling... Tim Carter was in San Francisco a week prior to the murders... Mike Carter and Tim prokes(other guy that left with them) worked in the radio room so they knew the codes...
Also Tim Carter(green striped shirt) is seen in the NBC footage when Ryan went to jonestown... He hovers around Jones alot and escorted Ryan back to the truck after he got attacked...
I think everybody's really hard on Tim. I feel like you can really tell here that he was deeply traumatized by what happened and that he felt tremendous pain and loss when his family was murdered. I don't think he wanted it to end the way it did.
You can see remorse all over him bro, come on, don't tell me you believe his BS
Tim was planning on escaping with his family but then everyone waa called to the pavilion.Jim Jones then told him to take care of his family before leaving with the suitcases with the money.
@@MrMelgibsteinGood point!
These two were there. They knew what was going to happen. And they saw it start happening. They were in control of the radio. But I stead of going and calling for help, they stole some money and guns and tried to save their own ass. I see Tim cater at the memorials and it makes me sick to my stomach to see. These men knew full well what was about to happen. I firmly belive that Steven did as well.
Yes, Steven beat kids and adults in the camp. He's just as evil as his father Jim Jones. Listen to the tapes. You can hear him being mean.
His son was not involved. His relationship with his father was strained for years and he even contemplated killing him at certain point from several interviews he gave decades later.
Steven was reported to the F.B.I as being a hot head and he's basically trailer trash like the rest of the planning commission
The guy at the end should have stayed there longer and given them more.
Name of the video is wrong! This is Tim and his brother Mike Carter.
. They all stole money from people and lied to them . When I said all I meant his lawyers and his family . Why aren’t his sons in jail ?? When the victim becomes the predator 😡😡😡😡I’m just mad for all those kids that they kill. Because they did kill all those kids
All the money should be given to the victims family
I think it all ended up in the GDF pockets. Do not think a dime made it back to the states.
In the words of Stephen Jones Jim’s Son. Don’t judge it don’t put it down. Learn from it so this doesn’t happened again. And let’s all remember that a lot of people that died there were good people. From Laura one of the servers her interview. And to all of the servers thank God you are still with us. To all of the people who died there RIP You are gone but you will never be forgotten.
Stephen Jones is as guilty as the rest. Stephen Jones and his basketball team were patrolling the outside of the hotel where the Concerned Relatives group was staying. These inner circle guys of Jim Jones are shady.
Jim Jones was a madman that convinced the impressionable to kill themselves and their children...but don't judge him. Apparently we all needed to "learn" that joining a cult led by a psychopath is a bad idea. Stephen Jones is clearly trying to deflect his role in the murders/suicides.
@@maximumpayne575 His son was not involved. His relationship with his father was strained for years and he even contemplated killing him at certain point from several interviews he gave decades later. We do not know who exactly were patrolling the hotel but empty assumptions never helped anyone.
Stephen was his son he was 18 & very brainwashed like the rest! his fathers sins are not on his shoulders
@@12354ronythat's true
I'm lost when was this interview conducted.
I'm guessing just a few days or weeks after it first happened.
You obviously resisted the urge to use a certain band for an intro.
Lol....I felt no intro needed...their stories are enough.
I meant the Brian Jonestown Massacre!
This band is underated.
Who's the guy at the end who gets mad at tim and his brother??
He called them liars.
Edit: nevermind it was Harold Cordell.
That right there. Connection ain't two steps from them.
I think they are murders
At the end when he mentions having guns at Kaitima air strip...yep. They definitely were part of the execution squad.
Don't trust the Carter brothers they both shifty
Yet Jim Jones was a saint??
@@spb7883 Where did I say that?
You're a bad judge of character and possibly a Karen that protests too much.
@@nickypoundtown9568 And you are a 🍆 head who uses the word "karen" for anyone you disagree with. Be more creative man
@@emd1494 is that a willy or a vegetable?
Wow very interesting 🧐🤔 especially there at the end where they get called out as 🤥😬
I wonder where these men are now and how their lives turned out since jonestown.
Tim Carter appears frequently in documentaries about Jonestown. I think his grief is entirely real, but he’s…..…never been completely forthcoming, in my opinion.
They are both waiting to burn in hell would be my guess.
I will say this, it's obvious that at best a lot of half truths are being spoken and at worst flat out lies. With that being said Tim at least always mentions Gloria and Malcolm going so far as to never remarry only having a partner for like 30 years. Mike on the other hand has never said a word about his wife or son. My only observation is simply that even if Jones arranged the marriage Mike has never cared enough to even utter their names in memory. To me I get all kinds of red flag warnings listening to this.
I know how to repair radios but I could never figure out how to even use a gun.
These two Jokes stories smells worse than a recent fish kill on a once live pond on a hot summer day.
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I 100% understand why people joined in the beginning of People’s temple. Hell it would of sucked me in. They were all doing great things in the very beginning! Feeding/housing the homeless. Getting people off drugs. I get it. What ever happened to Jones and why he snapped I don’t get. If he would of kept up the good stuff we would be talking about a very different man today. That’s just my opinion!
He was a very evil cult leader and drug addict, imo
@@sabinchich999 yeah I know that. He wasn’t in the beginning.
I understand this is your opinion and respect that. But you have to consider that - even in the beginning - Jones engaged in behavior that someone of even a modicum of intelligence would see through. Healing the sick, for example. And of course, those “healed” were later revealed to be Temple members acting for unsuspecting would-be converts.
Brainwashing and dictatorship of any type occur gradually. People have a natural defense mechanism toward being controlled, and it takes a lot to break down that defense. Even in the beginning, Jones was interested in controlling people. He didn’t *become* crazy: he became *crazier* . And so much of his ability to break down defenses had to do with the rhetoric he used. If things seemed better in the beginning, it’s cause that’s how he sold it. Sadly, many people in power in California politics bought it hook, line, and sinker.
@@spb7883 thank you for not coming at me in a attacking way. Everything you said makes since❤️🙏🏾
@@spb7883 good point there
Judy and Patty Houston and their mother Phyllis ended up dead on the cover of newsweek wearing the same clothes they were wearing when NBC interviewed them on Nov. 18.
I’m so confused about how sex came up lol
And u just figuring all this out huh Tim?
Why would the mafia have a contract to kill ex members?
Jim Jones was always lying to his inner circle that he had mafia contacts and could have anyone taken out.
They didn't. Jim Jones made up things.
Tim Carter LOOKS guilty.
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No man could ever be God to me.
How did Tim Carter escape Jonestown?
When they were preparing to poison everybody, somebody, I don’t remember who, gave Tim and Mike a briefcase full of money and bonds and were told to give it to the Russian embassy. They left as the killings were taking place.
He and his brother, along with Mike Prokes, were assigned by Maria Katsaris to carry suitcases stuffed with cash to Georgetown, to be handed over to the Russian embassy. They ditched the suitcases soon after reaching the jungle. The GDF found them. The Carters and Prokes heard Jones ranting over the loudspeakers as they were leaving Jonestown, exhorting everyone to drink the poisoned Flavor-Aid.
Tim Carter witnessed the deaths of his wife and son before he left.
Tim Carter lieing he was one of the leaders. Video on you tube shows him going after the people that wants to leave.
..underrated video.
I want to know the deal with this dwyer. A question that will never be answered of course.
Because this issue is just another conspiracy bs. Don't fell for it.
Yes, the mysterious Dwyer. He claims he was shot in the buttocks. Also states that he stayed and helped the victims that were shot. I've never heard Jackie Speer say one thing about dwyer. Does she know anything? She said she had no medical help after she was shot point blank five times! Well wasn't Dwyer there?! Mrs Speer claims that Guyanese rum is what saved her and a couple of aspirin?. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
@@steeveekeys1904 You have absolutely no clue. I guess you believe in flat earth too, right?
Her bullet wounds are well documented. REAL medical help from Dwyer, a man from the embassy??? Are you kidding??? All this conspiracy crap is very easy to debunk. Get well soon!
@@tolaga9172 Dwyer said that he helped people that were shot at the airport. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put a sock on a spurting bloody wound. Conspiracy theory is just another word for unspeakable truth. You'll realize that someday. To think that Jonestown is a clear-cut event is really naive, it is the most convoluted confusing mess in American history. You honestly think we know everything about jonestown? I guess you think the Kennedy assassination is closed and shut! Give me a break. Have you ever known someone fired from a job? Well that's a conspiracy at the office right there. Conspiracies are everywhere. I would suggest you pull your head out of the sand. I could also suggest you pull it out out of something else, but there's no reason we can't keep this civil. And thanks I feel a lot better today than I did yesterday.
Get Dwyer out of here!
Liars
22:37 his baby was so beautiful
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That's why I never accept any pre-mixed Kool-Aid, or open drink!
We dont need koolaid..we got television and the Smith Mundth Act and the covid19 Jab
What the hell is the Smith Mundth act? Never heard of it.
Stfu.
Your tinfoil hat is slipping
@@judahslion5611 why wont you google laws that affect you in everyday life?..Smith mundth act allows entities to dominate propaganda domestically (brainwash you)
@@robmarsh6025
I did search for it but found nothing
Jim Jones’ form of socialism failed miserably.
Socialism always works, but only for the elite. It’s no different than what’s going on in the U.S.S.A.
@@ivanjimenez8868 socialism is a system of dictatorship which ensures the poor remain poor while the rich keep profiting off them.
You’re misinformed if you think he was genuine. He was a full blown narc who exploited whatever people believed in to get them to follow him
I know some think he knows more then he leads on he might but he has had to live with all this for a longtime now lost his family just like many others im glad we have him and a couple others to hear from on this tragedy and learn from it..
They believed whatever Jim Jones told them.
C.I.A.
I think tim was given a final mission to go kill someone. maybe pretend to give money to someone and then kill them. he seems too cold in this interview. He seems a little normal these days but he just doesn't seem innocent to me. Why would Jim Jones leave this task to you? Who are you to him
That last sentence is a great point. If he is telling the truth, he clearly knew bout all the other stuff, Jim jones was evil, but he was not dumb, he must’ve had a reason to trust Tim for the final mission. I never even thought about that before but omg
They asked a bunch of unnecessary questions and repeat it the same questions over and over when they were clearly told the first second and third time. In my opinion the interviewers did a very poor job, they are very repetitive and antagonistic and a very slow methodical way. They seem to act more like detectives than journalists in which they've already talked to the detectives about the jonestown situation and it seems to me the so-called journalist have a lack of understanding when it comes to people that have been indoctrinated and that are dealing with trauma because of offense that were reoccurring that led up to one awful finale of an event but yet in steel they're prying for answers that they're not going to get and they know it but yet for their own gratification they're putting these people through it over and over again by asking these remedial questions.
That's what a good reporter does, plays detective. Today, reporters are merely actors who get paid to read a script, those who control what you see on the fake news , control what people think, kinda like Jim Jones himself, he only allowed his followers to hear what he wanted them to hear. But hey, go ahead and drink that liberal democrat sponsored fake news kool aid every day.
Something bothers me about this. There is not enough sorrow or something! You should not be even able to speak! My prayer is that God bust this thing wide open-- government involvement.
Ikr. Besides the man ran away when he saw his wife and baby dying? That too with a suitcase full of money. It just seems like a whole different realm of evil.
Can you understand the fact that they had endured 18hours of having their endorphins absolutely jacked by fear? He would have been completely drained at this point and possibly running on autopilot, his lack of emotions is a result of lack of dopamines
As I said in an earlier comment, Carter had just seen his wife and child die in front of him. Everything he had ever known died at Jonestown. He is obviously in an advanced state of shock in this interview.
@@BassPlyr23 He doesn't seem to be in shock to me. Quite the contrary. I would say that his answers are carefully crafted and effectively, tactfully evasive. Actually they are all quite the manipulators. But please realize they had one of the greatest examples of brainwashing and manipulation ever to walk this Earth..... and his name was Jim Jones.
I can’t believe black people follow him And took💵 Their money
Not only took their lives but raped the men women and children how bad is the United States that people fall for something like this but most sociopaths are very intelligent
Typical democrat playbook.. convince the blacks they are oppressed and they'll follow you anywhere...
I was 12 when this happened. Don’t understand how easily people can be manipulated. They believed this weirdo and it cost them their lives.
@Jerry McLusky all bureaucRATS are political parasites. Democrats and republicans are 2 sides of the same wicked coin.
@@ivanjimenez8868 Exactly! Thank you!
Tim Carter had a perfect nose. Just sayin’.
This is why I’m a Republican and have to think for myself
LOL!!! Yeah we've seen how much Trumplicans think for themselves
@@dennisblunt6580 yeah that’s what Trumplicans are independent thinkers. That’s the whole point to support Trump. That’s why we hate leftist because they are taking independent thoughts away from a country of people who are designed to have a free mind. But I have to admit not always. Now the people or anti free thinkers aka democrats they celebrate non-free thinkers. Words like “unity” and “come together” you get the gist are the thought police. Another thing when did you see 900+ Trumplicans drink poison
@@stevemtc1 when did we see them drink poison? Those dumb azzes that decided to try to storm the capitol. They drank the proverbial poison. Those that are really going around still saying that Trump won the election, they are still drinking the Kool-aid
@@dennisblunt6580 as you Liberaltards March up to take shot after shot and even submitting your children to it! Name one positive thing Biden had ever done😂He is a racist war criminal!
Exactly
I feel sorry for Tim Carter
Watch out Trump followers!