A People's Temple Panel Discussion and Collection Viewing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ย. 2015
- On October 21, 2015 the California Historical Society hosted a panel discussion with David Talbot, author of "Season of the Witch: Enchantment, Terror, and Deliverance in the City of Love;" Marshall Kilduff, San Francisco Chronicle; Eugene Smith, author and Peoples Temple survivor; and John Cobb, author and Peoples Temple survivor. The panel was moderated by Anthea Hartig, Executive Director and CEO of the California Historical Society.
A CULT IS A CULT IS A CULT!!!!!!
Beautiful...Thank You..We Must Not Forget Those Poor Unfortunate Mistreated & Manipulated Souls That Were The Peoples Temple Agricultural Project
Diabolical aatanic
This was as fantastic a discussion as I have ever heard
This is an amazing perceptive. Thank you for posting it!
Great video. God bless all these brave men. Respect. Thank you for your stories.
I do believe there is some evidence of support for Jim Jones in this gathering. Just referring to Jones as "Reverend" is adherent and insulting to all real men and women of the cloth.
While his "Peoples Temple Christian Church" was pretty remote from Christianity, he was an ordained minister affiliated with a mainstream denomination and he interacted with the outside world as a reverend, so calling him "Rev." isn't out of place, even if I wouldn't do so.
Roy Orbison just wants attention .If he really was at Port Kaituma he would have ditched the sun glasses and taken off running.
Adherent?
Especially when Jones only became a reverend in the first place because he thought that was the best way to push Marxism, and once he had his congregation in place in San Francisco he was openly hostile and dismissive toward the Bible. He encouraged Jonestown residents to use it as toilet paper. Socialism was the god of Jones and Jonestown.
@@dqverify6797 Spot on.
For John Cobb when you are apart of the inner circle and 1/2 your family was dating Jim's inner circle you have perks the others don't have.
That’s an interesting comment. Gene Smith clearly contradicted him on important points.
@@joenelson3037 Exactly... You see when Eugene was describing the Jones stayed on the 3rd floor when they were living in Temple, he looked at John and said "isn't that where you stayed" ?..Johnn Cobb wants to talk about the good because he was apart of a lot the BAD & even Stephan Jones admitted somethings he did and HAD TO DO to avoid certain situations. Smith & Stephan seem like honorable men. And I understand doing what you have to survive; but this is something that should be talked about over & over again ALL ASPECTS OF IT! But something don't seem right about John.. And we found out how Stephanie"his niece got cut around her neck. I don't mean to be cruel, but I have much more RESPECT for Stephan than I would ever have for John.
@@corrynthiaiam9205 I agree completely. This needs to be reminded, that not all survivors had the same experience. The inner circle held up the power structure, while many, many of the other members simply had zero clout in terms of control.
Having said that, I'm still glad he's alive to give a different version of events, though. All perspectives are crucial for us to have a total understanding. Other than that, agree completely.
John Cobb seemed completely detached from the gravity of all those 900 plus people who were murdered..
@@corrynthiaiam9205 How do Stephanie come to have cuts around her neck? Please, do tell😳
Very interesting hearing these sides to the story. Thank you for sharing this information.
Yeah, very interesting hearing these fools justifying why the joined a death cult.
I too, as many other commentors have expressed, felt that John Cobb was “shady” to say the least. However, as I kept watching/listening I paid attention to his intentions which were not to absolve guilt or shame but to also share some of the light that otherwise would be buried under everything that was corrupt or failure. I think he’s just trying to tell a different story and not take away from the ones we all know which he also expressed are very true and horrific. Particularly, hearing that he and other people who would have stood up against him happened to all be gone during the event gives some doubt of their cowardice or moral turpitude
My impression of John Cobb was that he, at least in part, wanted to uphold the integrity of the people who lived and worked within Jonestown, not as victims but as builders of the most positive aspects of that referred
cobb relates a false narrative in order to present himself in the best light
everyone else got conned....but not him or his friends
everyone else was a member of a destructive cult....but not him
It still is hard to believe it happened.
This was the problem, they wanted, expected someone else to put food on their table, give them purpose and structure. No one owes you that and if they are offering that you have to ask what you are giving up because its a form of slavery!!
This comment should be pinned at the top of the comment section 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
This is the dumbest comment on here.. In those times it was no jobs esp for black people. They wasn't asking for hand outs.. they wanted to work.. Jim Jones supplied that.
Thinking about what you say and I agree. I also am analizing here and what you say is describing what socialism is.
Socialism is evil.
Those people already had all of that… being taken for a ride by what bum that’s now trump was the problem… people that are into organized religions never believed that this blue eyed devil would rip them off of their lives that they once had back in the USA and take total control of them they violence and fear… Jim hones created a slavery camp built off the backs of all of those black people.. and everyone else that followed that creep into that jungle…
Cobb refers to James Taylor, author of forthcoming book on PTM at 1:07:37
I get John Cobb point that people of Jonestown were interested in social justice to make it a better world. They were not a bunch of fanatics but dedicated to the cause unfortunately led by evil man. It justirks me that he is not fully acknowledging the real conditions of Jonestown. The majority of that population was held against their will. There were horrific stories of abuse, domineering insane leader and mass murder along with suicide which is the People's Temple legacy. Example: the Nazis are identified with the Holocaust and starting WW II, it really doesn't matter all the good things this party did for the German people
I agree. These people were never free to go. All you have to do is listen to some of the audio recordings of Jones screaming at potential deserters, scaring them into believing that they’d die in the jungles, get bit by snakes, etc. All of the loyalty tests that would occur. Everyone was watching everyone, ready to blow the whistle on any potential deserter just for even bringing up leaving. Fear, and the guilt of betraying Jones and his/her fellow followers kept many in place. Well, not to mention the armed guards.
Cobb was part of the revolutionary 8 that pulled the strap on Jones n ordered him to let them leave
Shaw Sway sounds like ANTIFA OF WHOM WERE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH TODAY
Dean Rockwell ISREAL REMINDS ME OF NAZI GERMANY
I sorta got that too...he seemed to downplay what was really happening in Jonestown. Odd since many "defectors" and/or survivors have told stories of their experiences, which were awful.
Everybody wants to belong. I think after awhile, you just join with whomever gives you that feeling.
"Are you wearing your glasses on purpose?"
No, they fell onto his face by accident.
DMG118 that was disrespectful to the victims and survivors
He mentioned the lights were hurting his eyes
Take Those bitch ass glasses of you sick fuck
He has severe light sensitivity he can't remove the glasses due to CNN's intense TV lights
I'm disappointed that Jim Jones Jr was not able to attend this panel discussion for health reasons. I hope that he fares well and quickly recuperates.
@Nyree Harris
You're sadly mistaken. Jim Jones Jr was not present due to health reasons. Listen to what the moderator says, at 0:57.
This people talks about how good it was at one time, when Jim Jones throw the bible across the hallway that should be a signed but yet people still stayed...
The bible and "old religion" had brought blacks nothing but misery and then this powerful man was telling them that here is something new that brings results, you can see the progress! Forget that black book!
Don't judge.
People that are deeply religious or spiritual and vulnerable in life they are more susceptible to being brainwashed. I watched a documentary about a temple member black female I can’t member her name and she witnessed all the stuff going on in the peoples temple like boxing matches, Throwing of the Bible and all kinds other crazy things like Jim Jones having sex with his temple members and they still followed him to Guyana. They both made it out alive with a son.
@@vintageragdoll1991yes Leslie Wagner is who you're referring to.
"Community" is a weird term. I've seen several documentaries where they said they were forbidden talk to each other and would tattle on each other and beat each other. A lady named Sharon (who worked at their half way house in Georgetown) killed her two young kids and then she and her eldest daughter cut each others throats when Jones gave the word.
It all happened because of self denial and they’re still in denial.
01denese It was different at different times. Before things got too toxic it was a very vibrant communitu
Apparently you didn't pay much attention in those documentaries of how this "community" devolved over time.
Pretty sure is was called Jonestown.
It was a good community before JJ arrived to fuck it all up in 1977
I still remember as a child the image of the dead bodies on the evening news, and now today being middle age, it always sends chills and creeps me out to see the videos of this man, the church and the brainwashing that went on. One of the panelists said that the church attracted many intelligent people, and that may be true but there were also ignorant souls, drug addicts and poor children born into this cult. My question is WHY DIDN'T PEOPLE SEE ALL THE RED FLAGS before surrendering all of their assets and going to Guyana? Some people I guess fell prey to this man's (jim) sales skills and gift of gab, remember he was a business man who sold monkeys? and he was already talking suicide and calling him God before going to Guyana! And to top it all off one of the survivors said in an interview that this sicko personally said to him "I'll F*K you in the ass if you want, just let me know...and this guy STILL WENT TO GUYANA AND REMAINED A LOYAL MEMBER! Also what makes me mad is that this sicko Jim started verbally abusing the people and using real nasty and vulgar profanity. He needed his ass fed to hungry lions, the bastard! Never again.
Never again? 2030 agenda is here to tell you differently
His majority followers were blind and brainwashed
Interesting! Thanks for posting!
What a good guy
What brand sunglasses did you wear?
Its interesting to watch people yapping that were never in Guyana.
John Cobb and Eugene Smith were both in Guyana.
@1:07:37 what opportunities is he referring to? I suppose yeah for anyone willing to work for food it was a decent opportunity but that's about it.
There were people who got off of drugs and otherwise found productive things to do in the Temple, whether learning skills (like repairing stuff), watching after children, helping out senior citizens, etc. Nothing incredible, but a lot of people evidently found it preferable to life on the streets.
I'm doing a show and want to rule the C.I.A. completely out of this horrible situation. I have read Guyanna Massacre , Season of the Witch, & The Road To Jonestown. I'm about to close the book on Ricard Dwyer and do the show as is without conspiracy. Does anyone suggest any books or articles for more extensive research?
Go where the information takes you
Get to the point
Jeez
Did they really need a guy with sunglasses on the panel???? Geez
Talbot has severe light sensitivity and CNN has major lights shining on them in a small space that is not a TV studio. He is a distinguished and accomplished journalist who interviewed members and wrote about The People's Temple in his book, Season of the Witch. So yes, they really needed the guy on the panel and yes, he needs to keep his glasses on.
These people were tired, hungry, sick and scared. They were going to challenge anybody??? I doubt it.
Rover
I guess it doesn’t take a lot of energy for a woman to drink a cup of kool aid. There were men with guns ensuring they did.
I could have lived a lifetime without listening to the moderator woman, Hartig?It is like wishing Jonestown had existed without Jim Jones.I would have preferred more input from the panelists. We don't need political editorializing or spin from an alleged historian.
Fast forward. Problem solved snowflake.
Before the panelist and survivor, John Cobb spoke he appeared to me to be quite creepy. When he started speaking I knew why I felt that way.
So why?
Why?
Cobbs was kinda saying; "I had a great time, I don't care about all the corruption and death". Cobbs was saying Me..Me..Me.. Eff everyone else..
Cobbs is too STUPID to understand that the devil is very beautiful just before he eats you..
Somethings not jiving with his perspective..
It’s apparent that you did not listen to him towards the middle-second half of the discussion. He himself stated that his intentions aren’t to take away from those horrible facets but to also give credit to essentially all of the positive efforts of people who deserve their stories to be told besides more than having such a morally corrupt leader and what came to be
John Cobb seems to remember with fond memories 'granted terrible things happened.'🤔
Because his family was a part of Jones inner circle. He got much more perks than others got. His older brother was part of the "Concern Relatives" who came with Congressman Ryan. His very brother is a very fine man much sympathetic to what happened. Him & personality (just from video) is like night & day.
Just strange talking positive about that place. And good food? People ate rice with bugs in it. Many members have witnessed the people in Jonestown had meager food portions. Not to mention other forms of daily abuse.
c0maB Perhaps conditions were better in the early years-I don’t know; it’s horrifying to me, but I was about 18 in 1978 and had a community, was not marginalized and was safe and not hungry. Had those things not been true, would I have been vulnerable? Sure I would.
@@lakb45 Yes: conditions were far superior during the initial establishment of the settlement. Jonestown was designed to support maybe 200 people max (with only 80 people were living there) when almost 1,000 came in over the span of less than a year. Two-thirds of those were elderly and children.
Perceptions of the settlement are different depending on who you ask and when they lived there. But the people who lived there from beginning to near (or at) the end, gave a more historical perspective.
Does anybody else think that the Jonestown dudes wearing the dark glasses is a little on the creepy side? It comes across as a subtle tribute to Jones.
Steevee Keys I thought that was very disrespectful of him to wear those glasses.
Does it ever cross your mind that some people wear shades for health reasons (e.g. light sensitivity)? I don't believe it was an intentional tribute to Jim Jones.
I had the same exact thought.
Starting at 7:42, the lady asks David Talbot about his dark glasses and he explains why he wears them. I didn't even see that part when I first watched the video (I tend to skip the beginning minutes of a long speech/interview as it's usually filled with greetings, introductions and other minor stuff).
I kinda wish they would have asked that immediately, because it did look really creepy.
God this sounds just like Scientology
Except for much higher stakes apparently.
No, Peoples Temple was much more grounded in reality than Scientology. A warped reality, mind you, but nothing too cosmic. Also, Scientology has always only catered to the wealthy. Peoples Temple catered more to the downtrodden, poor, and oppressed.
Yes. Im sure there are some differences and yet all of these cults have many fundamental similarities. Blind loyalty to a leader, shunning of defectors, "us vs. them" attitude with the outside world, a secret lingo, humiliation by the group if one is not fully 'with the program', sacrifice of personal money, property, etc............the list goes on and on. The isolation of Jonestown mixed with the cult values, was this groups downfall. So sad.
I personally can't get past the negatives... the preaching he did about six and how he had to "take" bucks in the back and all that. I think the ppl had to so so brainwashed to follow that man to Guyana...
I would never go either. I read somewhere that when the government seized the records at the Peoples Temple Church they discovered that there was 5,000 "card carrying" members on file. 1,000 went to Guyana. They were the supposedly the hardest core.
Jim Jones was such a master at manipulation and by that time they were so brainwashed. BUT he did so many really f'd up things that were so weird. Even when they were in San Francisco. The followers would just turn a blind eye. They knew it was wrong but it was "all for the cause". They were pretty much trapped by the time they got to Guyana.
Seems like she wants to take over what happened when all the people died RIP......why do all these interviews think they can understand Jim Jones better than the people who were there
Keeping the kvlt alive, perhaps?
Smart and intelligent people huh, sheep To the slaughter
"People's Temple didn't attract ignorant people, it just did not". Except for the fact that I've heard those tapes, but I digress.
" "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan
Marxist reasoning is filled with sophistry, mendacity and specious conclusions. If you listen to the tapes all the rabid baiting, paranoia and sick minded accusations of being right-wing and fascist against anyone who differs even slightly from their party line has gone mainstream today in "progressive" circles.
@@NewsHistorian Yep. It's pretty astonishing (and scary) to hear people who, say, defend the rights of the accused being called "fascists," and to have people openly claiming that a blatantly fascist organization is somehow not fascist just because they claim to be against fascism. If it looks like a duck, and fights free speech like a duck, and supports penalizing people for "thought crimes" like a duck...
@@dqverify6797 That's a good point but I think it's important to remember that many of his members HAD to recite Marxist rhetoric in order to avoid suspicion by the inter circle and Jones in particular. The fact that many cannot even pronounce much of their 'own statements' tells me they simply didn't believe in it, because it wasn't their thoughts, and likely thought it was mere political bs anyway (something which Jones spouted every single day).
Having said that, Jim Jones and some of his inner circle absolutely were, or became, radical types who were increasingly aware of the power they held, because they were AWAY from the US and the watchful eye off the authorities, and which they could try and enforce their own paranoid, and murderous, fantasies - usuallyupon the ordinary, and helpless, members of Jonestown.
Near the end, jonestown was being run by tyrants. It was literally a case of the fox guarding the chicken coop and i truly wonder just how much the 900 or so understood this. Despite them truly wanting this to be a loving commune, which it could have been, with people from all backgrounds, the danger they were constantly in was in the extreme bracket. No wonder many tried to flee it.
They were absolutely ignorant of the evil they were being deceived with.
The historian needs to stop and let the panel speak. And "Reverend Jones"??
Well, he *was* a reverend. I guess they didn't just want to call him "Jim" or "Mr. Jones."
@@IsmailofeRegime You are right, it's important to use the term reverend so people don't forget that someone with that moniker shouldn't just be automatically "revered." Using Jim or Mr. Jones is too respectful.
Ikr?? he KILLED almost 1000 ppl, NOTHING reverable there..🙄😡
Maybe they could have called him Commissar Jones??
Exactly
41:23 He just described government in general.
sad thing that this posting is 2 years old and noone has responded.
not to mention the drone killings around the world of the usa
that's how mafia works
20 minutes in and the question "who taught you to be sheep?"
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"Didn't attract ignorant people" hmm, listening to the recordings from Jonestown says....that was a lie! 😄
Following an evil cult leader into the jungle for socialism is the definition of ignorance.
The moderator is not very good. Getting infos wrong and making light of important serious things.
All of the “uhhh” & “umms” are all I can hear, Jesus.
The guy in the shades look like Jim Jones.
It's a coincidence. That's distinguished journalist, David Talbot who wrote Season of the Witch. He has extreme light sensitivity but those CNN lights are not in a TV studio so they're closer and right in their faces.
John Cobb needs therapy
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Kimberly Tats Ramsey Laura Johnston Kohl will talk to you. Her book is Jonestown Surviver. Look her up, she will talk to you.
Thanks for sharing..
The people in the People's Temple were mostly good people with good aims, in fact I imagine much of their California work with feeding and housing disadvantaged communities and their (unique for the time) inter-racial outreach would have resonated even more in the climate of 2021 with BLM etc than even it did in the 1960s and 1970s. But their leader was a maniac, and their demise unnecessarily cruel and pitiful. Maybe there was a stockholm syndrome involved in so many good hearted people following a bad seed over the cliff. I think it might be this enigma that still resonates with people and makes the Temple so compelling to study to this day, 40+ years after that fateful, final night.
im an sf native....the narrative that while they were in sf they were a force of good is total bs
Blm is the same fraud. Manipulating black people for power.
Speaking of that political climate in San Francisco then; you keep voting for the same political party expecting different results. Foolish.
Correct. Democrats destroy cities.
5mins & I'm ready to tune out, can't stand talks where individuals believe their ego & turn themselves into "stars"... Lady needs to let the panel get on with it.. Only came to hear Talbot
Fast forward snowflake. Problem solved.
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But out of all this evil mass cult leader made those people commit suicide I hope and pray people from all over the world had learned who they should trust not to trust evil doers , evil worshipers , so on
Milagros Muniz evil never presents its of so ugly at first.
Milagros Muniz He also made some people murder others. They weren’t all suicides.
@@lakb45 he had soliders of 3 countries including our CIA, to assist in the murders...
Dr Mootoo
Well in God's eyes there's no excuse so he Jim Jones did what he did for his own pleasures for his greedy selfishness
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Kind of goofy making jokes about David Talbot, his books, his sunglasses etc when this is such a serious matter. Lot's of People's Temple characters came back to the States, or had remained there, to freely work, live & walk around after what was. let's face it, the world's worst mass murder. I'd say anyone associated, including all the politicians & journalists, should have been jailed!
Esp the CIA.
What would you charge them with though?
Jim Jones jr is just as evil as his dad. He still believes the things is dad was teaching.
Really, how do you know that?? I've heard some interviews but I did not get that from him.
I remember him saying he didn't like that woman who killed her kids because she was a fanatic of his Dad.
@@chrissytina6379 he is a socialist just like his dad
I think you are reaching there. Junior has gone on record multiple times how he hated his father
@@MENFUSSMIKE yes he hates his father. But he still believes the evil ideology that his dad did.
We get it... The opening g talk woman is "honored" (as she stated MANY times)! The truth of Jonestown is much uglier than I am hearing. Wtf is this crap?
The mk ultra CIA cult still in action, with its backers funding.
im only a half hour through but i haven't heard the word cult once
To be fair, it seems a lot of the survivors avoid the word too, not because they deny Jones was a coercive megalomaniac but because when people hear the word "cult" they get the mental image of brainwashed, zombie-like morons, which the survivors know they aren't.
52:10
Mk ultra
Jones met CIA in Richmond Indiana.
The moderator seems to be driven by her own agenda. She sorta ruins it for me. Let the people who EXPERIENCED it talk more.
She's brilliant
she is a very pampered "intellectual" , dont ya know?
Everyone should read the book "was Jonestown a CIA medical experiment" by Michael meiers
Dr mootoo as well
The wotld is living another Jim Jones event at a differentvscale. Everything done so far is the same..
VERY BORING: 8 minutes in and the moderator is still waffling on. I'm going elsewhere
I’m going to be fine, I was over in Virginia, viewing a video film, on Nat Turner. There is this one part that I share regarding the tie to why my mind is here, and between me and her, woman and I, I’m conquering Palmdale? Sunnyvale? I’m saying this is all about you, and my love for you, the not having you here, has distorted his world and I’m going to be fine. By the way, Nat Turner a squire before I didn’t follow thru in finish the comment on that video. Nat Turner presents the ultimate divinity; in slavery, i newb idk right from left personally, but I know of a pot prior to the Egyptian culture before pharaoh scorpion or king Medes, I’m implying for a person human still unclassified and undefined when I have to be found. .! Nat Turner wasn’t Nat Turner, Nat Turner wasn’t the Parrish or the preacher, he wasn’t god, his usage of what he knew at that era in world that called him a slave. I think as I refute being vessel for the spirit of the almighty, and speaking towards tomorrow a world I’m not happy in. But tomorrow and I mean 2075 in you 13, 21, 95. That environment it’s almost like I seen dna stain and could exert the strain and create a formula to make a hanging garden for her, cos that’s how loss I am. I sympathize i empathy for anyone that is today and it matters surrounding this incident again Nat Turner namesake. The spirit is uncanny in portrayal of what the world should know, I look at changing cloth I don’t think Nat Turner can imprint boldly (Catalina Villalpando)the image after a certain king I seen Jesus bow before him, god the father! All on the cross having being forsaked. This man would be offended cos man is a word in bible and it’s trial a tribulation, I can’t capture what it means to confess if to repent to forgive everything would mean that man wasn’t there. Look in depth at Nat. Who was he confessing to, is old, the new player in the universe are our god. god. Idk ... but we know that wii play. any thoughts, y’all want me to delete it?
Why in the world is this guy wearing sunglasses like Jim Jones. It’s creepy.
People have light sensitivity I can be really painful to the eyes be at their age or medication cause.The lady at the beginning was even talking about how the lights are so bright on stage, she couldn’t see the people in front of her.. There’s two men at the table wearing sunglasses but everyone’s focusing on the white guy.
The guy is David Talbot who had a severe stroke. It's a miracle he's alive let alone attending talks like these and participating so well. The stroke damaged his eyesight and gave him intense light sensitivity. Talbot wrote the excellent book Season of the Witch which has a chapter on the People's Temple which is why he's participating. He conducted some of the most important interviews of people who were there.
People’s Temple be like;
“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”
2 Timothy 4:3
I cash y'all out as its late nite and my envy and lust will be transmitted but before I do, you have to bring a word, and pastor jones brought a word that obviously Parrish, loved him. There are secrets and to keep it let's examine a woman or mans virginity you keep it until marriage is the righteous message to anyone reading, but in this case regarding Victoria secrets allegory suggests when it's between yin and yang it's hard to stay at in between, your on one side or the other, you know I attest to there transitional phrases that I can't give as the reward throughout my life and greater deeper vintage the USA is my account with a joke Morgan chase, you know is not showing the amount needed to give that transitional phrase or adjective that is not defined, that's how far ahead I were and could drop a word that moving forward will be forever what I mean is there's a space between yin yang. That space I can do a lot in time so that to protectorate a being from themselves the people you state as is almost like a child the author said its a mans world, and the singer said its white mans burden, and us know it as Dylan Thomas as related too. So that as the Pentecostal movement at its finest transitioning seasons, that GOD the whether that dreaded day surfaced a enigma to the people we've since this wheatger really give the kingdom of Spain solace here in California, lots Angeles San Francisco you know I mean people hungered and gathered you label communities growth into cities and the pastor will protect his sheep as soldier for Christ turned general no, no! That Spain Rome were all foreign man, men. I pretend basketball knowingly anybody in the world will share a court with me for 100 hours it was California historical society, telling you the spotlight evaded cos I'm not apart of Spain I live in greater Los Angeles, and call.
How do you turn off Siri from auto correcting let me go to settings and I tried
i accumlated 2 n half gours of intel into this, so years of that story im just anotha comment, from the intel i recieve alike locker room or family business it got out, what i did with that film that isnt any of my buisness really is understand the fear of the lord as the psalimists david son solomon in proverbs that was my first and only bible study at 15, i didnt have anotha but i learned and taught with a comrade once that was it. but to be pastorial i cant fathom why pilate would ask the peoppe whom they wanted, when Rome is the dominant empire and they like how i learned about this (spaces n spaces) cant even call it a generations later what happened, i know that pastor jones n jonestown in a distant land isnt on level with manson or kempler i found out about within month and am still distraught about not moving forward. like press the wrong vid and be psychologically or suffer a psychosis where that is the referral to wtf you talking about, a viewer reader of me can be more personalble and im ready to bate to pretty girl and get off this mug . edit this to really say roman emperors and pilate to be in that era and to ask is a key to my oerspective of what after the flash thunder storm prob scared the people that nov. day and it seem like pastor was saying there going shoot pilate that was the message i didnt get past 25 minute work you gotta be brave you gotta foster some real armour to listen in real time or read the transcript once it began i was gone, on halloween i try, its best to let it go. final word i think theres a pact among south american kndom of spain to hold that location and next centiry it prob be the breadwinner or money maker if the attn gets off europe, that location is exposed and exported im really good with words so i cant enrich california historical society thats neen how my life has gone
Is this whats going on in 'Frisco? Freaky. Dig your heels in folks or you'll end up like the UK.
Donald Dump makes a lot more sense in the context of this history than without it.
Yes, because the majority of people still reject the socialism espoused by Jones and his leftist supporters then and now.
Joe Biden is today's Jones. Mentally ill evil dictator fascist communist.
This is a murder case evil doer worshiper and psychopath killer calling himself God lying and leading those God's people whom he had created to hell with him they too decided to follow him no matter what being Greedy too
Words like SOCIALISM, PROGRESSIVE AND LEFT are really scary words. RUN
How so?
Why doesn't anyone go to one of the many many normal established choices of christian churches. What is this need to set up a new weirdo church with a hystrionic personality disorder leader. Charles Manson same thing. And the list goes on and on. WHY??!!!!
Cuz people like Jim jones want to be worshiped and want control
It's called nk ultra
“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”
John Cobb is still drinking the Kool Aid.
I wish you could understand how much a stupid comment like this hurts and is counter productive. John is a stand up man and has done more to help others than most, you speak of what you do not know.
@@wankster1020 AND SO DO YOU.
All I. An hear is “ummm”. Ummm ummm ummm uh uh. Umm ummm ummm.
Let's hear what happens when you are called upon for public speaking
These guys in the dark glasses secretly still worship Jim Jones !
So everybody wearing Sunglasses are Jim Jones worshippers ?? Like...I have a Swastika Tatooed on my forehead... Am I a Nazi now ?? or a Charles Manson Follower ??
@@Hanzey1966 Well, if you truly do have a swastika tattoo, it makes you a scumbag racist. Does that answer your question?
@@TotsNater are you aware of the symbol the Nazis adopted originally was a symbol for the sun?
They clearly down and stated why they were wearing glasses, did you even watch the video at all?
Truth.
They keep the mk ultra kvlt alive, the sun sensitivity is a mock at us.
Cheap irony is much too simple🙄
im sorry, but the history of the people's temple, when given by the survivors, is muddled, in an attempt to show themselves in the best light and makes it appear that jones and his cult were doing good works.....until jonestown
nothing could be further from the truth
I’ve been fascinated by the Jonestown story over the past 43 years. This was an exceptional panel chosen for this event, but I think if I were an audience member, I’d have taken my cyanide straight. Boring, nothing much new brought to light, slow.
Have you seen the Cindy Davis Show. "Jonestown Survivor Tells His Story"? The guest is Dr. Hue Fortson, who was in San Francisco at the time of the tragedy. His wife and child died at Jonestown. Definitely worth watching.
@@peggypeggy4137 - Thanks, yes I did see it. He’s an interesting man, with quite a story to tell. He says if he had been there, he might have taken the poison as well. Quite an admission.
I found it intensely interesting!
Socialist praising Socialism.
I hope these ppl aren’t around when the true anti christ arrives. They were deceived once, it’s happen again. The chosen one had discernment and wisdom to recognize the spirit of Jim Jones and not follow him.
... yawnfest. 💤
A little too cerebral for you ?Sorry , this isn't your standard 25 funniest girl fails video. Perhaps your mind would be better engaged on one of those or maybe binge watch "try-on hauls" .
Where do Jim Jones learn to be so manipulative?
Watch more documentaries on this, you’ll get your answers.
CIA
God left the true word so it can be taught to people to God's teachings on how a christian should live while living in this world so corrupted sinful world
Put these survivors in mental hospitals
William Ballz lol
Thay were all potty
Marshall was so 😏 smug
JIM JONES BILLY GRAHAM RON HUBBARD
Are you an atheist?
rob yohn Any thoughts on the murderer and atheist leader, Jim Jones?
By the way, any proof that Billy Graham “hated gays and lesbians”?
As you may know, there are far worse sins than sex sins, like idolatry, rebellion, and witchcraft. Did you know that?
@Robbie John I feel sorry for you.
Snooze fest 😴
20 years from now they will be holding panel discussions about the Trump cult.
Long live the Peoples Temple!!
+James Warren Jones s...son is that you??
Yeah well you're biased.
Progressive a term being used a lot with Jim Jones and look at what happened! Now we are hearing a lot about progressive but with Hillary Clinton imagine where she would take us!
And 'Amen' was a favourite word of Charles Manson, so I guess all those Pastors who use the same word are mass-murderers in waiting?
Peter Stephens vote Clinton and see the ride you will be on my friend!
If any member of my family would have been killed at the hands of Jones, I would have gone after Jim Jones sons. An eye for an eye. Someone would have had to pay for what Jones did.
Suz Valentino So you will demonstrate that killing is wrong BY killing people. Huh???
That's stupid. Stephan Jones hated his father and contemplated killing him. The sins of the father are not the sins of the son.
Suz Valentino Clearly you don’t understand the power of mind control. Jim Jones’ sons didn’t make anyone stay or join in the first place. And killing his sons wouldn’t bring those people back.