And he technically still should have won the fight (almost by KO in the late rounds) but the judges robbed him once more, because a dirty opponent and a corrupt/blind referee weren't shitty enough apparently.
it was actually over 80 times there was a video that went viral on facebook counting every lowblow with footage he did against Loma. It was absolute bullshit that referee should lose his job
ESPN Top Rank rankings OFFICIALLY changed Lomas record to 14 - 0 - 1 which makes it a draw now. And without a doubt Salido in that fight needed to be disqualified for all those damn low blows on Loma. Ref acting as if he’s blind. Worst referee ever. Lomachenko would literally embarrass the shit out of Salido now.
Lomachenko is a brilliant boxer. The best skill set I’ve ever seen. I tell you this though. His entertainment factor is off the charts. You know your gonna see action bc he’s an action fight. It’s crazy to say considering how great he is defensively. He makes opponents miss constantly but more importantly in his fights you don’t see running, clinching or any real lulls in the fight. His pace is unreal. He’s a real boxing treasure and I hope he gets the big fights and continues to succeed. He’s just a tremendous pleasure to watch.
@@Nuggifresh what's the challenge. A lot of people said Rigo.. who now? What calibre of fighter would he have to do the same thing he has done to everyone else for you to credit him with the same praise?
Salido came really overweight fought really dirty (and got away with it). Even then, Salido got a split decision the majority still thought Lima won. That says it all.
Tracey Taggart he came in really overweight, it’s not like he missed it by a pound or 2. The fight was at 126 and he came in like 140 plus and yes he was hitting Loma low all night and the ref never did anything. Had the ref took one point it could have been a draw. On top of all that most people did think Loma did enough to win because the punches that were low should have never been counted as landed blows which if u remove all the fouls Loma out landed him by a large amount.
@@marcuslarwa9098 He came in 137 10 pounds over. Loma is good but yet to be great. He couldn't adjust with salido low blows or not he lost. Lesson learned I guess. I'd like to see him step up in competition.
Miami Vice he fought a 12 round championship fight in his second fight from fighting 3 3 min rounds or 4 2 min rounds. Fighters don’t do that until their 20 something fight. He’s fought 10 out of 13 champions. He’s tried to fight everyone title holder in every weight class he’s been in and had to keep moving up to get fights. He’s called out the biggest names in all the weight classes he’s been in. Not sure what else he could do other then move up again but he’s already fighting in a weight class he’s to small for. Your holding him to higher standards then any other fighter in the history of boxing.
On god like Lomachenko at the end of the day wasn't at least outboxing the fuck outta salido while dealing with lowblows the whole fights. Motherfuckers are stupid.
Brendan Jackson think I’ve seen enough going thru a few scrolls and haven’t seen such talk, but it’s possible I haven’t got the time you do to invest and waste in finding the naysayers. from what I’ve seen - most agree that loma got cheated in that fight.
@John Boice What's even more sad is that even counting these as regular punches Loma still outlanded him, had him gassed by the end and almost knocked him out in the 11 and 12, except the referee was quick to gift the mexican some completely arbitrary recovery time. Still, after all this unfairness and coming out on top anyway, Loma was did dirty from the judges as well.
let Pavlik talk dude, he was just about to explain his championship situation when he was chanp and you totally cut him off man, please let guests finish , love the show dude but that can be frustrating.
Mike Canova Joe Rogan is normally really good letting his guests speak, I think he was just that excited to see the record on screen he got a bit carried away with himself, 🤷♂️
I'm a huge fan of Loma, but when Joe rants about how quickly into his professional career he won a world championship, I'm like, you do realise he had 396 amateur fights before that, including gold at two consecutive Olympics, right? The real question is why it took him so long to turn pro?
I think it is because he wanted to make a massive mark on history. How hard is his amateur record going to be to better? Fastest to world championship, fastest to 3 division, I’m not sure if fastest to unify a division is a thing, but I really think he wants to be a historical name, and he is accomplishing that. The number of fights he’s fought with the number of losses he has is insane
Lomachenko's footwork is SO RESPONSIVE it's unreal. It's like the connection from his BRAIN to his FEET is 100X faster than EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S EVER LIVED.
Lomachenko is so good that I am still watching him trying to figure out what it is he knows that we don't. He is the only boxer I feel is sort of reinventing boxing in a way. I honestly think he sees things so quickly and is able to respond accordingly that to the rest of us normal people it just looks like his opponent sucks.
@@jeffpatterson1803 What are you talking about dude ahah he's got KOs on his record and don't forget we're talking about lightweights and featherweights. He's not going to slug like a Heavyweight or Middleweight lol
1:16 And that's exactly what happened to him vs Teo. Loma was my favorite, but Teo fought with the style everyone predicted might be Loma's kryptonite & walked away with the W.
When I boxed amateur, I did ballet for 2 weeks. Not a long time, obviously, but that alone somehow triggered something in my mind that made my footwork SO much better. Thought process changed. Thought of it as an art instead of a crude brawl.
Orlando canizales is the small fighter who originally made it real popular to pivot quickly or step quickly around opponent or even switch up stance quickly just to land a good shot from a different angle. He was one of the most dominate champions in 118 pound history in boxing and an all time great in that unpopular weight class... originally he was the guy in boxing that left people in awe in terms of footwork...
And missed weight. There's a reason lomachenko fought someone else for the same exact vacant title in his next.fight against someone else. Lulz. And even so, he said he felt the decision was fair. Can't call him a sore loser even though there was some shady shit going on there
Here we are a year later and Lopez has put a whooping on lomachenko and his Matrix style boxing can't wait to see the results of that in the analyst community
Lmao if there was a rematch he would getting fucking destroyed he had 14 months off, also you gotta take in the fact he is a small lightweight taking on the biggest lightweight in boxing.
He is dumb as fuck actually when he said loma can jump weight classes just like Manny did it's dumb when you know that Pac-Man started his pro career at 17 and loma at almost 30 his fucking body can't pack that much weight anymore and i think he is already fighting over his weight class so that's dumb as fuck considering that shit coming from a insightful pro.
That was my favorite time in boxing, Taylor was my favorite until I saw Pavlik on that undercarriage against Miranda, and I swear, I was rooting against Taylor, for Pavlik when he Ko'd Taylor. I was sad when he retired, and pissed when he wouldn't punch back against Hopkins.
Dee Kuz Roy’s foot work is no way comparable to Loma. Roy did cover a lot of ground but loma sets everything(!) off his foot work. It’s Lomas’ best weapon aside from his iq. I like Roy I always felt his foot work was his weakest attribute. If you want to see a boxer similar to RJJ look up josh pb kelly.
kmden Rt Negative. Loma is a next generation fighter. He moves better than anyone. Roy was just a fast boxer with skill and very conventional. Calzaghe was closer to Loma in terms of footwork and work rate.
@kmden Rt 🤷🤷🤷 whatever u say... I agree loma doesn't have nearly as much power as Roy Jones that's a given. But man, my eyes and a lot of other ppls eyes, we like what we see in loma. Once again, I'm a RJJ fan, but I guess I'll get my eyes tested
The salido fight wasn't just about an experienced boxer making the fight dirty, it was straight up cheating and the ref was blind. He got punched in the nuts over 20 times and still nearly knocked salido out. Salido lost that fight even cheating, judges were nearly as blind as the ref. Annoying thing is there is no way salido will rematch him. He avenged his only loss in the amateurs, he won't get that chance in the pros.
Salido weighed well over the limit for that fight, climbing in the ring at nearly 20 lbs heavier. Salido was never once warned or had points taken away.
Loma is 100% the most entertaining boxer out there right now. Watching him fight you don't know whether to watch his hands or his feet. The guy is unreal. I hope he fights Garcia then maybe in a year or 2 Gervonta Davis. The way he beat a top fighter like Linares shows how good this guy really is. Linares is a top class fighter and Loma done him good. The only way to have a chance of beating Loma is to go out and smother him and don't let him move, but so far nobody has been able to do that. Even in his fight he lost, he wasn't at his best but he got fucked over by poor refereeing and judging, but he accepted it and learned from it and hasn't looked back since. Loma and Billy Joe Saunders are the 2 most technically gifted entertaining boxers out there right now hands down. Sure canelo, ggg, the big 3 heavyweights, Crawford and uysk are all top fighters but in terms of entertainment and skill saunders and loma are on a different level. It's just a shame about the drug test thing with saunders giving him a setback before his big fight in America with Andrade. The brits and Ukrainians are at the top right now no doubt about it.
@@relativelybasic I think you're probably right, Davis is at the very least 2 years away from being able to challenge him I think, but you're right, Mayweather knows how to milk the cash cow. The longer the fight takes to happen the more money its worth and if Davis loses his stock drops big time for big money fights.
An0nim0u5 lol😂😂😂😂😂 Mayweather fought more elites and even Anthony Joshua lol😂😂😂😂😂 tell me all the elites lamo has beat elite's not hype jobs or B rank fighters he's a great fighter but GOAT lol not even close
WIKIPEDIA are you smoking crack so basically Charissa Shields is better then loma she got 2 and already unified in 8 fucking fights!!!! And Anthony Joshua has a better resume then lamo these are facts shit if wilder beats Brazil and other top 10 like whyte and kownisk he arguably better but lamo is better then both when it comes to skill I say but goat not even close
@@spartanz9991 Loma's skill set is far superior than any of the fighters I have seen... Don't bore me with the 'sucker punching', 'reactionary' boxer like Mayweather who could not even knock an amateur boxer like Connor in the first 5 rounds let alone 9... Judging by your response I guess no matter what I say you won't even re-consider your reaction... Anyway I don't like boxing as much as it's not a discipline that prepares you to be a real fighter due to its limited skill set but Loma took this sport to another level where even a guy like me is tuned in for each & every one of his fights...
I agree. Even now he’s still undeniably one of the most skilled boxers today. As long as he bounces back and gives us a few more good dominations of world class fighters then the Lopez loss won’t overshadow him that much.
Salido deliberately came in overweight as a tactic to allow himself be able to manhandle Lomachenko - then he proceeded to punch him in the balls all night with the assistance of a complicit/incompetent referee...
@@mrmalio I could almost buy the excuse of him being incompetent/blind, but what convinced me Lawrence Cole was straight up corrupted is how he protected Salido from the KO in the last two rounds, stopping the fight without reason to gift the mexican time to recover when he was completely gassed and waving. Even Jim Lampley and Roy Jones called him out on this during the fight.
@@TucoBenedicto they need to do more to make sure in world title fight these judges and referees aren't currupted. Like having an anti corruption panel or something it's happening way too much in boxing now
Thank you for informing me. I did hear his dad took him out of boxing, enrolled him at a traditional Ukrainian dance class before back to boxing. I just never looked it up further )
@@dragonsdynamite6403 I looked it up and its funny cause in the West people equate hopak to ballet, but Hopaks origins come from Cossack soldiers the whole low kicking Russian dance trope is Hopak it basically originated from soldiers doing these weird dance moves after victories to showcase their strength and skill, its normal for dudes to learn it out there
@@JeffPenaify It's Ukrainian, not Russian. I don't understand why in 2019 people still don't know the difference between 2 different nations. Yes, Ukraine used to be part of Russian empire.. but so was India part of UK empire
@@sergeyb8 I was just explaining as a westerners to other westerners, we all recognize the low kick squat dance as Russian, through media and other things I understand its Ukrainian and comes from Cossacks but most people in the West would recognize it as Zangiefs dance in Street Fighter, I always thought it was Russian dance moves til I actually researched it. We are profoundly ignorant of Eastern European cultures in the West I actually didnt start researching these histories til I was a grown man on my own time they dont really teach about it
Loma went and watched the old greats. Marciano always crouched to the right and parried your jabs,the old school guys would hit you in the shoulders and arms. He trains his reflexes and speed with balls.
@@Gyttripin because in the former Soviet countries being an Olympic athlete is preferable to grinding at the lower levels, I'd imagine. Also, maybe he wanted to win another gold at the higher weight (which he did). Only Lomachenko could answer that tho.
@@Gyttripin Because he was winning gold medals and world championships left and right and you usually don't quit when you are the pride of your nation. After the second Olympic gold he decided that the amateurs didn't have anything more for him. He was still just 24 by then, anyway.
Part of it is that he made the choice to walk away from competing earlier than many others have. Good to see a talented boxer have the smarts to realize that he can't go through too many more wars like that and think more of his long term health.
Lomachenko's father had him learn Ukrainian dancing, traditional for his country. It's rigorous. Joe might look at the colors he wears of his country. It isn't Russia. Kelly Pavlik is awesome. Great to hear him. Let the top pro talk Joe.
Huge loma fan, but not gonna drink the koolaid here: Jose Pedraza was able to neutralize much of lomas footwork and also weathered lomas flurry without too much trouble in the later rounds. His power is lacking in his current weight class and I have concerns about a fight with Mikey.
Wtf.. U are saying he was not a professional boxer before!? Everyone forgets he has 2 Olympic gold medals or what? This dude was already a pro AND a champ when he began boxing in usa. He embarrassed all those champion's in the ring.. Team loma 🥊💪
Fighting is one of the things that I think I’ll never be good at, I get really nervous and get panic attacks that paralyzed me, at most confrontations. Even watching fighting videos sometimes I get that feeling. Would love to be more brave, but don’t know how to overcome that.
It's tough, you gotta accept your fate, no matter what it may be, and just be resolved to live in the moment. Only then does that fear of future outcomes go away, but that is easier said then done. Usually, you only learn this by acclimating yourself through experience - choosing to face those situations regardless and willing yourself to become more.
Everyone is afraid when in that position my friend but by learning techniques and Co ordination and understanding skill level you can use fear to motivate what happens
Oh I get that too. I think you need to listen to Rory MacDonald talking about how scared George’s st Pierre before every single fight. He says it’s hilarious but georges just overcomes it time and time again.
Erick Quiñones you gotta really get the shit beat outta you in a fist fight. After that you’ll be good. Once you figure out you’re not made outta glass and can take a punch youll wanna fight all the time.
The fact that whenever I ask my Ukrainian friend how he's doing, and he answers with something along the lines of "good, but could be better if not for Russian's", tells me that Vasyl would be unlikely to go on the JRP after this.
People give Salido waaaaaaay too much credit for that "victory" over Lomachenko. 40+ low blows and not one warning. Lawrence Cole had a "D" in all his orify that night
Loma was hit below the belt *41 times* in that "loss"
And he technically still should have won the fight (almost by KO in the late rounds) but the judges robbed him once more, because a dirty opponent and a corrupt/blind referee weren't shitty enough apparently.
*9 times stop with the lies dude
it was actually over 80 times there was a video that went viral on facebook counting every lowblow with footage he did against Loma. It was absolute bullshit that referee should lose his job
ESPN Top Rank rankings OFFICIALLY changed Lomas record to 14 - 0 - 1 which makes it a draw now. And without a doubt Salido in that fight needed to be disqualified for all those damn low blows on Loma. Ref acting as if he’s blind. Worst referee ever. Lomachenko would literally embarrass the shit out of Salido now.
The ref in that fight just watched him get punched into the balls over and over again. Did nothing. That ref and the judges were bought.
Pavlik impressed me in this podcast. He is a great speaker and interview.
an intellectual
He sounds like he's caught a few.
@1504245 well he got out at 30 smart guy and a great fighter too
@Eye_Dee well I mean look at the arms on him, 😂 you'd have to wouldn't ya
I agree
Lomachenko is a brilliant boxer. The best skill set I’ve ever seen. I tell you this though. His entertainment factor is off the charts. You know your gonna see action bc he’s an action fight. It’s crazy to say considering how great he is defensively. He makes opponents miss constantly but more importantly in his fights you don’t see running, clinching or any real lulls in the fight. His pace is unreal. He’s a real boxing treasure and I hope he gets the big fights and continues to succeed. He’s just a tremendous pleasure to watch.
Facts
Beautifully said sir.
No hes not ...hes great but hes not the caliber your describing. You have to fight better comp bedore that falls together
@@Nuggifresh HAHAHAHA look at this bum, we know why you're saying this.
@@Nuggifresh what's the challenge. A lot of people said Rigo.. who now? What calibre of fighter would he have to do the same thing he has done to everyone else for you to credit him with the same praise?
Salido never once got a point deducted. It really pissed me off. He had more cheap shots than just about any fight I've seen.
Very unfair. But it is a fight. Salido was fighting the only way he knew how to.
Apparently that was aim for the dick.
Let's not forget the fact that lomachenko was up against a dude way over weight
My point exactly. That was the dirtiest fight I have see in a long time but Loma never complained and took it like a Champ he is!
I blame it on the ref, Salido did what he was aloud to do
I think joe needs to chill with cutting people off Pavlik was about to spit some knowledge
Agreed
His worst trait by far
I want to see all you haters on your own podcast.
Maybe watch the whole podcast instead of clips?
That’s what annoys me everytime. His guests are about to say something important and he immediately cuts them off and starts rambling again
Salido came really overweight fought really dirty (and got away with it). Even then, Salido got a split decision the majority still thought Lima won. That says it all.
Tracey Taggart he came in really overweight, it’s not like he missed it by a pound or 2. The fight was at 126 and he came in like 140 plus and yes he was hitting Loma low all night and the ref never did anything. Had the ref took one point it could have been a draw. On top of all that most people did think Loma did enough to win because the punches that were low should have never been counted as landed blows which if u remove all the fouls Loma out landed him by a large amount.
@@marcuslarwa9098 He came in 137 10 pounds over. Loma is good but yet to be great. He couldn't adjust with salido low blows or not he lost. Lesson learned I guess. I'd like to see him step up in competition.
Miami Vice he fought a 12 round championship fight in his second fight from fighting 3 3 min rounds or 4 2 min rounds. Fighters don’t do that until their 20 something fight. He’s fought 10 out of 13 champions. He’s tried to fight everyone title holder in every weight class he’s been in and had to keep moving up to get fights. He’s called out the biggest names in all the weight classes he’s been in. Not sure what else he could do other then move up again but he’s already fighting in a weight class he’s to small for. Your holding him to higher standards then any other fighter in the history of boxing.
marcus larwa Do you dumb asses even watch boxing? Salido came in at 128. 2 pounds over the limit. 140? GTFOH!
Miami Vice 2 pounds bitch! Stop making excuses for your BF Lomo
Y’all acting like Salido destroyed Loma when in reality he took over 20 lowblows, while being outboxed by Loma most of the fight aswell
He took 40. There's a video counting them lol
On god like Lomachenko at the end of the day wasn't at least outboxing the fuck outta salido while dealing with lowblows the whole fights. Motherfuckers are stupid.
Never heard anyone say or ‘act like salido destroyed loma’.....
@@dhl671 Someone obviously hasn't been in really any comments sections dealing with Lomachenko.
Brendan Jackson think I’ve seen enough going thru a few scrolls and haven’t seen such talk, but it’s possible I haven’t got the time you do to invest and waste in finding the naysayers. from what I’ve seen - most agree that loma got cheated in that fight.
Rogan quit interrupting I want to hear about that lineal vs undisputed shit
Yeah he kept insulting the man in front of him by running his mouth about Lomachenko
Seriously... like he couldn't just wait for him to finish what he was saying. Disrespectful.
Yeah wtf that shit pissed me off.
03:25 ...04:10
@@Mr-E.Agreed he really ought to have shut up a bit here.
Salido threw something like 27 low blows and no points deducted; cmonnnnn
Hehe 51 actually xD
Finally! I thought i was Crazy if i only see that
@John Boice What's even more sad is that even counting these as regular punches Loma still outlanded him, had him gassed by the end and almost knocked him out in the 11 and 12, except the referee was quick to gift the mexican some completely arbitrary recovery time.
Still, after all this unfairness and coming out on top anyway, Loma was did dirty from the judges as well.
Dusan Nikolic 41
ZGJ Finance 41 low blows
Solido was constantly committing fouls. Low blows like crazy! The ref was awful.
40 blatant below the belt strikes. Number of points deducted? 0
Mayweather paid for ref that night
He doesn't anticipate his opponents movements...
He controls them
Jon Trownson shit, best comment right here man, loma is the matrix man
he controlled teos punches in hos stomach pretty good
let Pavlik talk dude, he was just about to explain his championship situation when he was chanp and you totally cut him off man, please let guests finish , love the show dude but that can be frustrating.
Mike Canova Joe Rogan is normally really good letting his guests speak, I think he was just that excited to see the record on screen he got a bit carried away with himself, 🤷♂️
Lomachenko is exciting to watch. Havent seen anything like him in what..the past 15 years? Great fighter.
Chenn Forajido manny was first 🥊
@@jamaltimbobolan5238 Manny don't really fight like him, hes a legend though defiantly a top 10 all time great
homebody. Manny and loma are completely different fighters🤦♂️loma has way more speed and smarts than manny when it comes to fighting
Who'd you see 15 years ago???
*Ever
I'm a huge fan of Loma, but when Joe rants about how quickly into his professional career he won a world championship, I'm like, you do realise he had 396 amateur fights before that, including gold at two consecutive Olympics, right? The real question is why it took him so long to turn pro?
I think it is because he wanted to make a massive mark on history. How hard is his amateur record going to be to better? Fastest to world championship, fastest to 3 division, I’m not sure if fastest to unify a division is a thing, but I really think he wants to be a historical name, and he is accomplishing that. The number of fights he’s fought with the number of losses he has is insane
Because he wanted to win gold at x 2 consecutive olympics, 🤷♂️
@@jimkhana007 actually 3 Olympics golds
1st one he lost in final then won against that guy twice
MrdjMob can’t have won 3 if he lost one? Surly 🤔
You find answer in rare Loma's interviews. His father recommended him to win second Olimpic
Pavlik comes across as s cool guy, patient and knowledgeable
If boxers continue to refuse fighting Loma, he's going to end up giving MMA a whole new meaning.
ProGamingProphecy i wishhhh 😭
He will get smoked in The ufc
moroccan Warriors he can wrestle and fight, his athletic skill isn't seen in the ufc. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
@@moroccanwarriors2717 Wallahi Lomachenko would dominate in the UFC
@@Inoke_Faletau just say you can’t fight
Lomachenko is incredible.
Great to see Kelly Pavlik doing this. His inputs are invaluable. Was a fan of his thanks for all the fights
Loma will go down as one of the best boxers if not the best
spagati confetti 100% one of the best
THE best! People need to stop pussying out and just admit it.
So will Salido
@@jaycee9153 lmao ok
idk salito kinda fucked him up
Lomachenko's footwork is SO RESPONSIVE it's unreal. It's like the connection from his BRAIN to his FEET is 100X faster than EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S EVER LIVED.
Lomachenko is so good that I am still watching him trying to figure out what it is he knows that we don't. He is the only boxer I feel is sort of reinventing boxing in a way. I honestly think he sees things so quickly and is able to respond accordingly that to the rest of us normal people it just looks like his opponent sucks.
Loma make people quit
Lol
Nomaschenko
He dont have knockout power but his constant beating makes people give up
@@jeffpatterson1803 What are you talking about dude ahah he's got KOs on his record and don't forget we're talking about lightweights and featherweights. He's not going to slug like a Heavyweight or Middleweight lol
Salido gave em an L tho
1:16 And that's exactly what happened to him vs Teo. Loma was my favorite, but Teo fought with the style everyone predicted might be Loma's kryptonite & walked away with the W.
Lomo had me hooked watching his first fight. He is a one of a kind phenom
I been on the loma train his footwork is like cinderella man watching him is art
When I boxed amateur, I did ballet for 2 weeks. Not a long time, obviously, but that alone somehow triggered something in my mind that made my footwork SO much better. Thought process changed. Thought of it as an art instead of a crude brawl.
Orlando canizales is the small fighter who originally made it real popular to pivot quickly or step quickly around opponent or even switch up stance quickly just to land a good shot from a different angle. He was one of the most dominate champions in 118 pound history in boxing and an all time great in that unpopular weight class... originally he was the guy in boxing that left people in awe in terms of footwork...
Salido also threw shots to his balls 16 times every single round
Yeah, the amount of illegal moves by Salido in that fight was astonishing. The ref was asleep.
no its called bought out, probably a fan, bet on salido, or just bribed to turn a blindside to low blows that happen right in front of his face
@@AliMohamed-fu5lc Yeah, either way that fight was bullshit.
Thank you Alexander! It drives me crazy that no one mentions this !!!
And missed weight. There's a reason lomachenko fought someone else for the same exact vacant title in his next.fight against someone else. Lulz.
And even so, he said he felt the decision was fair. Can't call him a sore loser even though there was some shady shit going on there
Here we are a year later and Lopez has put a whooping on lomachenko and his Matrix style boxing can't wait to see the results of that in the analyst community
Lmao if there was a rematch he would getting fucking destroyed he had 14 months off, also you gotta take in the fact he is a small lightweight taking on the biggest lightweight in boxing.
@@mmdo8789 so he is gonna fighting a even more experience Lopez
@@mmdo8789 did you pull that excuse out of your Christmas wish list
Kelly Pavlik, respectful. Knows his shit, and knows what he doesnt know. Youngstown born n bred. Seems like a great guy.
Pavlik is dead on how Lomachenko could lose. He is a very insightful boxing analyst, hope to see more this.
He is dumb as fuck actually when he said loma can jump weight classes just like Manny did it's dumb when you know that Pac-Man started his pro career at 17 and loma at almost 30 his fucking body can't pack that much weight anymore and i think he is already fighting over his weight class so that's dumb as fuck considering that shit coming from a insightful pro.
Regards mirroring it ... wait till you see Usyk in the heavyweights! He's already cleaned out the cruiserweights.
Every single one of lomachenko's fights has had a belt on the line furthermore he's never fought a fighter with a losing record
It's a shame that Loma turned pro so late too.
Never forget when Pavlik beatdown Edison Miranda. He was the underdog going into that fight. Then obviously huge underdog against Jermain Taylor
That was my favorite time in boxing, Taylor was my favorite until I saw Pavlik on that undercarriage against Miranda, and I swear, I was rooting against Taylor, for Pavlik when he Ko'd Taylor. I was sad when he retired, and pissed when he wouldn't punch back against Hopkins.
loma should be undefeated. he was robbed when he fought salido. caught so many low blows too.
Loma and Roy Jones Jr are my two fav boxers with similar footwork.
Dee Kuz Roy’s foot work is no way comparable to Loma. Roy did cover a lot of ground but loma sets everything(!) off his foot work. It’s Lomas’ best weapon aside from his iq. I like Roy I always felt his foot work was his weakest attribute.
If you want to see a boxer similar to RJJ look up josh pb kelly.
bolo yeung I appreciate the comment! I cant really argue with that. I will def have to check out Josh Kelley not too familiar with him. Cheers!
They share similar athleticism.
This guy's energy is good . I trust him and I've never met him 👊👍
Loma has brought the art of boxing to a perfection.
Teofimo Lopez vs Lomachenko will be a very exciting fight to watch!
.... good interview with Kelly Pavlik.. he knows his stuff and presents his knowledge and insights very well... great clip!
I felt the same. I never expected Loma to make Rigo look helpless
I'll bet that Rigo never expected that either :-)
Loma has the potential to become the greatest of all time!
Lomachenko is a next level boxer, he moves like no one can
Lomachenko has the reflexes of Roy Jones and the skill set of Mayweather...ultimate package.
Tracey Taggart the skill of Mayweather? Nah loma doesn’t run around or wait for fighters to get old
He exceeds the reflects of Roy and the skills of a Floyd. Lomas on an other leve.l
kmden Rt Negative. Loma is a next generation fighter. He moves better than anyone. Roy was just a fast boxer with skill and very conventional. Calzaghe was closer to Loma in terms of footwork and work rate.
@kmden Rt Roy did everything better than Loma??? 🤦🤦🤦 I'm a Roy Jones fan but u reaching man... Power absolutely, footwork and reflexes? Hell no
@kmden Rt 🤷🤷🤷 whatever u say... I agree loma doesn't have nearly as much power as Roy Jones that's a given. But man, my eyes and a lot of other ppls eyes, we like what we see in loma. Once again, I'm a RJJ fan, but I guess I'll get my eyes tested
Not that Loma has been beat I can't wait to see what Teo's career is going to be like. He is 23 years young and still fought and won against the best
If he stands in front of you flat footed. He has you! Best fighter I've ever saw and I've watched many
Kelly is a real class act✊🏼
The salido fight wasn't just about an experienced boxer making the fight dirty, it was straight up cheating and the ref was blind. He got punched in the nuts over 20 times and still nearly knocked salido out. Salido lost that fight even cheating, judges were nearly as blind as the ref. Annoying thing is there is no way salido will rematch him. He avenged his only loss in the amateurs, he won't get that chance in the pros.
Salido weighed well over the limit for that fight, climbing in the ring at nearly 20 lbs heavier. Salido was never once warned or had points taken away.
Lomachenko and Rigondeoux similar styles? They are polar opposites
Willie Pep was the original master of angles, foot work, spinning his opponent the matador of sweet science. Legendary skills
Loma is 100% the most entertaining boxer out there right now. Watching him fight you don't know whether to watch his hands or his feet. The guy is unreal. I hope he fights Garcia then maybe in a year or 2 Gervonta Davis. The way he beat a top fighter like Linares shows how good this guy really is. Linares is a top class fighter and Loma done him good. The only way to have a chance of beating Loma is to go out and smother him and don't let him move, but so far nobody has been able to do that. Even in his fight he lost, he wasn't at his best but he got fucked over by poor refereeing and judging, but he accepted it and learned from it and hasn't looked back since. Loma and Billy Joe Saunders are the 2 most technically gifted entertaining boxers out there right now hands down. Sure canelo, ggg, the big 3 heavyweights, Crawford and uysk are all top fighters but in terms of entertainment and skill saunders and loma are on a different level. It's just a shame about the drug test thing with saunders giving him a setback before his big fight in America with Andrade. The brits and Ukrainians are at the top right now no doubt about it.
Mayweather won't let Gervonta fight Loma. No way. Not until Loma is at the end of his career.
@@relativelybasic I think you're probably right, Davis is at the very least 2 years away from being able to challenge him I think, but you're right, Mayweather knows how to milk the cash cow. The longer the fight takes to happen the more money its worth and if Davis loses his stock drops big time for big money fights.
rocking a jedi mind tee talking loma...gotta love it
My apology to Kelly Pavlik--- I judged You. I appreciate the insights You brought to this interview. Be Blessed.
I was devastated when pavlik retired, a great guy
Salido fought so dirty with low blows and everything, plus he outweighed him by like 15lbs!
Loma is brought boxing back into popularity! Forget MMA...LOMA all the way.
Holy s... Pavlik looks like a heavyweight now!
I was a huge pavlik fan, good to see him
The guys a living legend
Happy to see kelly looking good. Thanks champ!
After that fight he’s “Nomaschenko”
That loss in his 2nd match ... why did they not mention he was hit in the groin 40+ times and the ref didn't see shit.
Lopez put the Masterclass on Loma. How about that for next podcast? 😂😂😂
Lopez is a good fighter, but he was gifted that win by outside forces. It was at least a draw.
thats so cool you got kelly pavlik on here one of the 2000's great boxers
Lomachenko is the GOAT...
An0nim0u5 lol😂😂😂😂😂 Mayweather fought more elites and
even Anthony Joshua lol😂😂😂😂😂
tell me all the elites lamo has beat elite's not hype jobs or B rank fighters
he's a great fighter but GOAT lol not even close
WIKIPEDIA are you smoking crack so basically Charissa Shields is better then loma she got 2 and already unified in 8 fucking fights!!!!
And Anthony Joshua has a better resume then lamo these are facts
shit if wilder beats Brazil and other top 10 like whyte and kownisk
he arguably better
but lamo is better then both when it comes to skill I say but goat not even close
@WIKIPEDIA Mayweather got robbed of silver and a gold fight.
@@spartanz9991 Loma's skill set is far superior than any of the fighters I have seen... Don't bore me with the 'sucker punching', 'reactionary' boxer like Mayweather who could not even knock an amateur boxer like Connor in the first 5 rounds let alone 9... Judging by your response I guess no matter what I say you won't even re-consider your reaction... Anyway I don't like boxing as much as it's not a discipline that prepares you to be a real fighter due to its limited skill set but Loma took this sport to another level where even a guy like me is tuned in for each & every one of his fights...
@LAVAR BALL Was that directed at me...???
Loma trained raditional Ukrainian dancing called hopak. The dance has a martial art verient and was performed by Ukrainian Zaporizhian Kozaks.
Watching Lomachenko box would have been like watching Mozart play piano.
Salido threw the craziest low blows I ever seen. He was throwing them shits like jabs.
Its sad that people have just discarded Loma as a hype job ane have pounced on him like vultures because of the Lopez fight.
I agree. Even now he’s still undeniably one of the most skilled boxers today. As long as he bounces back and gives us a few more good dominations of world class fighters then the Lopez loss won’t overshadow him that much.
@@rickyabell6309 Have you heard that he had surgery on the monday and his dad wanted to pull him out of the fight but Loma refused?
People were jumping the gun by saying he was the best ever. This is why people are saying he’s overhyped. Not because of his skill.
Salido deliberately came in overweight as a tactic to allow himself be able to manhandle Lomachenko - then he proceeded to punch him in the balls all night with the assistance of a complicit/incompetent referee...
Salido also threw blatant low blows all night and the ref magically didn’t see them
I feel they paid him off tbh
@@mrmalio I could almost buy the excuse of him being incompetent/blind, but what convinced me Lawrence Cole was straight up corrupted is how he protected Salido from the KO in the last two rounds, stopping the fight without reason to gift the mexican time to recover when he was completely gassed and waving.
Even Jim Lampley and Roy Jones called him out on this during the fight.
@@TucoBenedicto they need to do more to make sure in world title fight these judges and referees aren't currupted. Like having an anti corruption panel or something it's happening way too much in boxing now
I love how Joe is reppin Jedi Mind Tricks. Love the shirt Joe.
Traditional Ukrainian dancing NOT Russian.
If you look up Ukrainian Hopak it will all make sense why Lomachenko is so good on his feet
He is Boxerian fuck ukrain
Pavlik did great in this interview
not russian but ukrainian dance, its called "hopak"
Thank you for informing me. I did hear his dad took him out of boxing, enrolled him at a traditional Ukrainian dance class before back to boxing. I just never looked it up further )
@@dragonsdynamite6403 I looked it up and its funny cause in the West people equate hopak to ballet, but Hopaks origins come from Cossack soldiers the whole low kicking Russian dance trope is Hopak it basically originated from soldiers doing these weird dance moves after victories to showcase their strength and skill, its normal for dudes to learn it out there
@@JeffPenaify
It's Ukrainian, not Russian. I don't understand why in 2019 people still don't know the difference between 2 different nations. Yes, Ukraine used to be part of Russian empire.. but so was India part of UK empire
@@sergeyb8 I was just explaining as a westerners to other westerners, we all recognize the low kick squat dance as Russian, through media and other things I understand its Ukrainian and comes from Cossacks but most people in the West would recognize it as Zangiefs dance in Street Fighter, I always thought it was Russian dance moves til I actually researched it. We are profoundly ignorant of Eastern European cultures in the West I actually didnt start researching these histories til I was a grown man on my own time they dont really teach about it
@@JeffPenaify LOL, I get it. I just hope you understand that since 2014 it's a very sensitive subject.
Loma is truly my favorite boxer to watch fight by a very long shot... I love watching him
He brings in a whole new level of cutting the corner.
Loma went and watched the old greats. Marciano always crouched to the right and parried your jabs,the old school guys would hit you in the shoulders and arms. He trains his reflexes and speed with balls.
Been a fan of lomachenko since Dan Rafael turned me on to him after his first Olympic gold medal (2008 if I remember correctly).
spsawyer22 why was he in amateurs
So long?
@@Gyttripin because in the former Soviet countries being an Olympic athlete is preferable to grinding at the lower levels, I'd imagine. Also, maybe he wanted to win another gold at the higher weight (which he did). Only Lomachenko could answer that tho.
@@Gyttripin Because he was winning gold medals and world championships left and right and you usually don't quit when you are the pride of your nation.
After the second Olympic gold he decided that the amateurs didn't have anything more for him. He was still just 24 by then, anyway.
Tuco Benedicto he was 24 fighting teenagers in the amateurs, I find nothing special about that
Pavlik was this slender middleweight! The guy’s got some 💪🏻!!!
Considering all the damage he’s taken in his wars with Taylor and Hopkins, it’s great to see and hear Kelly still sharp and articulate.
Part of it is that he made the choice to walk away from competing earlier than many others have. Good to see a talented boxer have the smarts to realize that he can't go through too many more wars like that and think more of his long term health.
Lomachenko's father had him learn Ukrainian dancing, traditional for his country. It's rigorous.
Joe might look at the colors he wears of his country. It isn't Russia.
Kelly Pavlik is awesome. Great to hear him. Let the top pro talk Joe.
Who’s here after Loma just lost to Lopez 🙃
Lomachenko was seasoned with all that amateur experience and two Olympic golds he had to be on the fast track when he turned pro
Huge loma fan, but not gonna drink the koolaid here: Jose Pedraza was able to neutralize much of lomas footwork and also weathered lomas flurry without too much trouble in the later rounds.
His power is lacking in his current weight class and I have concerns about a fight with Mikey.
I think that was because he couldn't throw his best punch the right hook
That pedrazza fight was 6 months after his surgery so I don't think he was at 100% for that fight
Wtf.. U are saying he was not a professional boxer before!?
Everyone forgets he has 2 Olympic gold medals or what?
This dude was already a pro AND a champ when he began boxing in usa.
He embarrassed all those champion's in the ring..
Team loma 🥊💪
“Rigon-dee-oww” - Joe Rogan
pure class=kelly pavlik.thank you for showing us what BOXING means.
Fighting is one of the things that I think I’ll never be good at, I get really nervous and get panic attacks that paralyzed me, at most confrontations. Even watching fighting videos sometimes I get that feeling. Would love to be more brave, but don’t know how to overcome that.
It's tough, you gotta accept your fate, no matter what it may be, and just be resolved to live in the moment. Only then does that fear of future outcomes go away, but that is easier said then done.
Usually, you only learn this by acclimating yourself through experience - choosing to face those situations regardless and willing yourself to become more.
Everyone is afraid when in that position my friend but by learning techniques and Co ordination and understanding skill level you can use fear to motivate what happens
Oh I get that too. I think you need to listen to Rory MacDonald talking about how scared George’s st Pierre before every single fight. He says it’s hilarious but georges just overcomes it time and time again.
Erick Quiñones you gotta really get the shit beat outta you in a fist fight. After that you’ll be good. Once you figure out you’re not made outta glass and can take a punch youll wanna fight all the time.
Martial arts is easily one of the best ways to gain confidence.
Lemochenko reminds me of myself well done pav and Joe for the breakdown
Nobody can beat Lomo's angles. Change my mind!!
Teofimo Lopez
Damn! Kelly Pavlik should fight as a heavyweight, I think he'll do good, he has the skills to do it.
The fact that whenever I ask my Ukrainian friend how he's doing, and he answers with something along the lines of "good, but could be better if not for Russian's", tells me that Vasyl would be unlikely to go on the JRP after this.
People give Salido waaaaaaay too much credit for that "victory" over Lomachenko. 40+ low blows and not one warning. Lawrence Cole had a "D" in all his orify that night
Before watching the vid, I’ll say that the fight I was sold on was Rigondeaux. Amazing feat.
Glad to see Pavlik is good
Joe knows JUST enough about boxing to be a casual fan. When it gets into any depth he's completely lost.
The dude may or should go down as the best technical boxer ever.