A mini-series like a Band of brothers or Chernobyl is the best balance of both. It gets a little deeper into the story then a movie, but doesn't over stay its welcome like a seasonal TV series.
Yeah, I think you’re right. The Wire could be seen as a collection of mini series, each one tells a complete story. That is a good model for how to do multiple seasons.
Or hundreds of other series. Series are much better at adapting books or telling long form stories with extended arcs. To say one medium is better than the other is a pointless argument because they're set up to produce different products. I understand Quinten Tarantino is baised because he makes movies and this is just a snippet of a three hour interview, but it can be tedious listening to him speak for longer than 30 minutes. He's become such a pretentious narcissist that I almost don't want to hear him ramble about how great he is all the time because I love his movies and sometimes it's difficult to separate the art from the artist.
At the end of the day, a good story is a good story, whether it's in a movie, show, or video game. It all comes down to how well it's written and executed. I’m open to any medium, whether it’s a standalone piece or part of a larger series with sequels, prequels, or multiple seasons, as long as the quality and care shine through.
The first season of True Detective plays out like an 8 part epic. Ties in the past, to the present, to a new and unfolding plot - and resolves a massive mystery with two insanely detailed, complicated characters. The Rust getting caught up in the biker gang jacking the guy's house...and how he gets out of the whole situation - epic story presentation!
Agreed. There are so many streaming sites and tv channels that most shows are bound to be bad or drag out. But AMC, HBO, Amazon, Apple, Netflix etc... have produced amazing series with a few 10 episode seasons. They don't drag on and also tell a longfrom story with top notch production and talented actors. There are more bad tv shows because they're produced significantly more than movies. But most movies are garbage so both entertainment mediums are guilty of over producing subpar product's. To say one medium is better than the other is asinine. There are great movies and great series, and each can be more effective to tell a particular story.
Man I watched season 1 n 2 about a year ago. Season 1 was badass n season 2 didn't disappoint. I feel like they had to have a bigger cast for season 2 cuz it wasnt as well written as the 1st
Season 1 of true detective is the great season of television ever made, Matthew Mcconaughay gave a performance of a lifetime. I rewatch that season once a year and every time I’m gripped
The problem with TV is that most don't know when to stop and unfortunately that is a fatal flaw built into that format. A film stands alone, even if it's part of a franchise.
They don't when to stop AND they don't know if they will be canceled. Imagine having a great idea for a show. You put all those great ideas into one season. Now they say they want season two. Uh oh. I just used up all my great storytelling in season 1.
@@goochipoochieStar Wars is a horrible example, the later movies have been trash and only make money because of its rabid fanbase. They should’ve stopped 20+ years ago
Watching House of Cards atm for the first time and now after hearing QT argument i think he is onto something. I could tell what happened in the first season but ask me anything from seasons 2-3 and its all a big blur.
Season 2 was also really underrated. Season 3 was like watching paint dry and Season 4, whoever gave that pile of manure the greenlight needs to be fired.
TV is like the 1st and 2nd act of a movie if the 2nd act just kept reinventing itself over and over. For me what Quentin is saying is TV rarely writes a killer 3rd act (because they don’t want the money to end)- this deeply effects the overall structure. Good movies accomplish closure and that’s rare for a series.
@@LiberatedMind1I thought so at first, but Ive seen great analysis of what the multi choice perspective means depending on whether you think/wanted Tony to die or not. And I honestly have come to believe its a great ending.
Someone once said to me that it wasn’t Tony who got whacked but rather the audience were the ones who got whacked. I never heard that view before, but it made sense to me.
@@PooyaSadeghi But theres only 1,2,3 of those in the history of television... and there's been millions of hours lost on meandering television since in hopes of finding that again. whereas movies only ask for 2 hours of your time and have a beginning middle and end.
There’s plenty of films far better than it. I mean first of all. It’s a mafia story. The mafia are as pathetic and dense as possible. And second, the Italians are regressive beyond belief. They’re fun to watch like animals but that’s about it.
The problem with TV, even when it is “good”, is that the shows aren’t always written with the ending in mind. They keep going until they are canceled. A really good show should be a limited series with a clear story arc.
This obviously doesn't work for shows like the office. Not every show is breaking bad. Every TV show now has to end at 5 seasons are all the fans spit and cry that it's the worst show of all time and they're dragging their feet. All tvs shows don't have to be building to a dramatic last stand.
@@WhimzicoYou raise a good point. But don’t you think that most shows that don’t have a clear story arc become unwatchable after a while? I think The Office is a case in point. It would have been better if it ended after Jim and Pam got together. The later seasons are, for me, unwatchable with absurd plots. Seinfeld might be a better example of what you are saying, but Curb your enthusiasm I think is a better show because each season is tightly written with a clear end that it builds to and that puts the earlier episodes into a proper narrative. Any way thanks for your reply.
Yellowstone was a perfect example of this. First couple seasons go hard. And then at a certain point they just start drawing shit out and getting more ridiculous and pretty soon you’re watching a version of the a team with cowboy hats.
@@gwine7084 maybe. Haven’t seen it. He also said he liked the first season, and sort of implied it got silly which is sort of the problem with most shows, and why it’s funny Rogan brought up ozarks and not sopranos or something that actually brought out the best of what a tv show can be.. ozarks is cool and entertaining but got so ridiculous after a certain point and had no vision for a full series rather just a splashy season one and go from ther.
@@negativefishermen9286 if you don’t think the Sopranos had humour and was a comedy mixed in with all the other aspects of it. Then you didn’t watch the Sopranos.
@ it had plenty of comedic moments in the same way Scarface or the godfather had humor. But the movie’s purpose is not to be a comedy. I’ve watched the sopranos nearly ten times now. I can school you son.
@@angrykramer Season 7-8 were a considerable drop in quantity over the previous seasons. I loved the show but they ruined basically all of the characters plot/story lines.
I hate watching a TV series knowing that there will be a next season and knowing there will be a cliff hanger and the end of the current season. That's why I am drawn to Mini-Series or showed like True Detective or Fargo where there is a new plot and a new set of characters.
Hmm....I've finished several that have conclusive well thought out endings. The Wire, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Boardwalk Empire, Sopranos (though they did leave a couple of loose ends).
Anthologies are better. True Detective and Fargo are some of the best that tie everything up in a neat if not sometimes unsettling bow at the end of each season. Breaking Bad, The Boys, Game of Thrones up to season 4, Mad Men, house of the dragon. They all got better as the seasons went on. Some shows like Daredevil, Loki, Preacher, Mandalorian, Peacemaker, and The Walking dead have a really great start that’s worth a watch. The rest of these series aren’t as good or have pacing issues but they’re still okay.
@@CptWhit3y Ya, and that never happens in the movie industry. I'll finish this comment after I finish Transformers 15 and buy some transformers toys and video games for Chistmas.
With Yellowstone, 1883 and 1923 they take way too long to come out with the next season so you lose interest. Tyler Sheridan has too many shows going on. Dude needs to do one at a time
@@landonic81 Agreed. He and Paramount are trying to cash in on the success while they can. I don't blame them at all, but the quality of Yellowstone went downhill after the first 3 seasons. It's just "Dallas" in a different location.
Sopranos,Breaking bad, The Wire , GOT, True Detective, I remember all the characters, villains plot points , certain scenes , I remember everything. I don’t know what he means when he says you forget with shows unlike a movie
all of these examples are likely not the shows he is talking about. his gripe (to my understand) is with shows that don't bother to lay out a compelling story, choosing to coast off the established characters that have been set up (and the drama between them)
In my opinion in today’s entertainment industry I definitely prefer shows over movies. I feel like the movies today just don’t hold my attention like they did in the past. I’d rather watch older movies again than watch some of these new movies for 20 minutes.
does exactly would tarentiono talked about building to something at the end of the season has hugge finales and big payoff at the end. its s as good as the other big hbo shows but always get slept on
You're missing out if you haven't seen Boardwalk. You're missing out if you haven't seen Peaky Blinders. I also think people are missing out if they don't do True Dectective SEASON 1. Also Justified, House, and Your Honor is my newest one. Half way through the 2nd season. Amazing series. Has Michael Stuhlbarg in it from Boardwalk. A good side mention for a TV show is Oz.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer really pioneered the seasonal arc on network TV. The finale of each season brought several storylines, character arcs and relationships(sometimes ranging over different seasons) together in a collision that had genuine stakes and consequences. In particular, the finale of S2 was just soul shattering in its brutally operatic climax. It is haunting to this day, a quarter century later. The show could well have ended on S5, with its definitive acknowledgement of The Slayer's destiny and the Pyrrhic victory of "The Gift". But the 7th season series finale resolved the central dilemma posed all the way back in the series pilot in a marvelously satisfying way.
@@tomjoslin435 That's a stupid zombie show. I'd rather read up on something that actually blows my mind like quantum mechanics, or Shakespeare than a stupid popcorn tv show.
That's why it was a bad example to say that movies are better than TV shows. If he would have brought up Game of Thrones, it would be a different matter.
I wanted to disagree with Quentin just from reading the title but he’s right in a way. I’ve watched the sopranos complete season a few times and there are scenes and connections I forgot about. It’s the greatest show imo but it doesn’t hit like Goodfellas. Some ppl like having a few beers some ppl like mainlining 🤷
This is the prime comment. Exactly precise. There are hundreds of AMAZING. Breathtaking almost perfect films. There’s like 5 perfect shows and it’s really not even close.
@@ryanjosephdp It's because you can pack in a lot more great ideas in a film than you can in a stupid tv series. in TV series all the ideas become just far too diluted. Overall though I'd still rather read a great book than watch a great movie any day of the week. It's just a matter of practicality.
Yeah, but those shows suffer from these exact issues that Quentin is talking about. For GoT it's obvious so I won't get into it... but Breaking Bad, a show everyone considers to be great television - even that show is too long. You could shorten season 1 a bit, and almost completely get rid of season 2, even shprten season 3 by an episode or two, and it would be better for it.
I still rather watch Tarantino than Tyson, Tyson interrupts in a more annoying way somehow. Tyson is condescending, self-centered, egocentric, and conceited. Also think Tyson’s politics has gotten the better of him, like even Bill Maher had to call him out.
Sons of Anarchy is another good example of what Tarantino is explaining. First season was compelling. But then it just kept dragging on and the storyline was so dragged out and became so convoluted, that I eventually lost the plot and just stopped caring and therefore didn't get to season 3. Nothing ever got resolved.
I don't think it was convoluted, and I would argue everything got resolved. The problem is the show had to keep raising the stakes, and it got to the point where you could no longer suspend your disbelief. I agree with you overall about Sons, just not for the same reasons.
Sons of anarchy was structured like a soap opera from the start though. It never had a story laid out, it never was planned out - just continuous shock value.
@omarcomin148 he was there from episode 1 and kwas killed off in season 2... So your blind hatred proves your dim... Sheridan was on 1 season of 8....and was a part of the best season...
Its kinda true, making a movie is art. To tell a long tragic and interesting story that people will understand and get engaged with in a short amount of time is very hard.
I understand his point, but don't agree with it at all. Using Deadwood as his example doesn't work, because the show is about how a town evolves from a lawless mining camp to self governing community.The death of a well known celebrity is what attracted unwanted attention, and spurred further events. Wild Bill was a catalyst for the development of the town, but not actually the focal point of the series. The strength of the other actors carried Deadwood well through 3 seasons. Fair to say that the recent movie left more people unsatisfied then the series ever did.
Quentin is right on about Yellowstone being soap. But that other guy is so wrong about Deadwood. The conflict between George Hearst, Sheriff Bullock, and Swedgin is far more impactful than the death of Wild Bill Hickok. The show down between Big Dan and Hearst’s man Captain Turner was a classic. IDK what that guy is talking about, I remember a lot about that show.
@@ayearinthelifeofanxietyjoe4413Raised by Wolves was anither that got killed too soon. No one paid attention to it but i was absolutely mesmerized by it. It was wird and crazy but so good
Depends on story depth and the conclusion you want for the main characters. The Dark Knight demonstrates this perfectly. But I find there are a lot of movies that are cut too short with a significant number of questions about the story/characters that audience members might have. To me it all comes down to the writing and the acting. There are a lot of movies out there that I completely forget about because the writing was mediocre and there was no 'awe' in the storyline. Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt's 'The Fall Guy' I've already forgotten about. There was no awe in the story. But Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Stranger Things, The Witcher, (some might say it's too political but if you look past it) The Boys, are all that COULD NOT work as a movie. There are simply too many factors in the storyline that they have no choice but to make it longer. All comes down to how well the writers, actors, and setting can grab your attention and keep it for the duration of the screentime.
I call it the “Lost” effect, where every episode is a cliff hanger, and they are just spinning a simple story into lots of “content”. There are shows (The Wire and breaking bad are good examples) where there is a total vision and the effect is much greater than a single film could ever achieve. I think it’s important to make the distinction…
Nah, it's his ego talking. Justified? Mr Inbetween? Boardwalk Empire? I can keep going. Quentin doesn't do TV therefore TV is inferior in Quentin's mind. That's it.
And too much filler. A season of a show should never be set to 22-24, 12-13, or even 6 episodes. It should take what the story requires. If that means one season is 4 episodes, another is 7, another is 11, another is 5, then so be it. As soon as there's some arbitrary requirement (or one driven by factors not pertaining to the show, like streaming numbers or "content" or ads), then it's compromised.
@@beerosaurusrex This is why television is worse, it's more corporate so you have to make the amount of episodes the network dictates. Episodic shows work better because they aren't stuck to a single arc, they have more leeway.
I forgot about Homeland because I gave up on it after a few seasons. But oh man, that season 1 finale may have been the most emotional thing I have ever seen (that scene Quentin is discussing)…
I don't remember the details, but it was a great series. Still, I think it was great because they were few seasons. If it were like 10 seasons, it would have lost the plot.
@@kamu747 Doesn't Battle Star Galactica (2004) have the same writer and same show runner as the "Star Trek : Voyager" TV show? So Star Trek Voyager and Battle Star Galactica (2004) were supposedly written by the same people weren't they?
Ronald D Moore worked on Deep Space 9 and Voyager but got pissed off with the direction Voyager was going in so he left to do Battlestar. He also does "For all Mankind".
This is why The Shield was so genius: it was episodic AND serialized at the same time. Top 3 series of all time along with Sopranos and whatever... take your pic.
As a self proclaimed TV connoisseur, I've had thoughts about watching The Shield as I've always known its kind of a hidden gem. I have Mad Men and Twin Peaks queued up, half way through finishing Mr Robot. Worth it broze?
@@djdarklyceum I’ve seen all the shows you mentioned if I had to rank them all best to worst imo I’d go 1. Mr robot (one of the five best series I’ve ever watched absolute masterpiece) 2. The shield (one of the ten best shows I’ve seen, and easily one of the most consistently entertaining and well written shows out there. Absolutely worth watching you won’t much or maybe any more engaging shows. It’s phenomenal.) 3. Mad men (one of the top twenty-twenty five best series I’ve watched. Another masterpiece with some of the best writing and dialogue you’ll see in a tv show. The only reason it’s not quite as good as mr robot and the shield imo is because it lacks in terms of plot and can be a bit boring at times. Still nonetheless an incredible show from start to finish. 4. Twin peaks ( ranks somewhere in my top forty-fifty best series it definitely is the most unique/ambitious out of the four but easily the most flawed. It’s certainly an interesting show but I wouldn’t call it an overall great series although it could’ve been with different writers imo. I don’t want to 💩on it as I do think it’s worth viewing just for how unique and odd it truly is but not a masterpiece like the other three imo.
I’m open to stories in any medium as long as they’re executed well. However, when done right, shows have the unique advantage of delving deeply into character development and allowing narratives to unfold at a slower, more deliberate pace, giving themes and emotions the space to resonate. Assuming each episode is an hour long, you're given the opportunity to dive deep into characters and plot, with the entire season offering a multi-layered experience, assuming it’s well-executed. Movies, on the other hand, require precision in pacing and storytelling, where every piece must fit perfectly to create a cohesive whole. While both formats require careful pacing, because all great stories do, the shorter runtime of movies leaves little room for error, making meticulous storytelling an absolute necessity. Which directors like Christopher Nolan beautifully excel at.
Ok, good. I experience the sane thing as Tarantino of totally forgetting about snows afterwards, though very intrigued at the time. Glad its not just me
Except we never forget the truly great ones, do we? Some of my more recent memorable shows were Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones (S1-S5), Mr. Robot, LOST, Boardwalk Empire, Fargo, For All Mankind, Arcane and The Penguin. THESE are real movies in long-form episodic TV format -- a feat which makes them all the more impressive, given their ability to evolve and sustain complex storylines over such tremendous duration.
@@atomicsmith LOST is on my list for 2 reasons: First, it introduced high-quality episodic TV-based storytelling to the masses via primetime programming on ABC. It absolutely was must-watch TV at the time -- very similar to GoT in that respect. Yes, several shows from subscription-based HBO started this trend a few years earlier (Sopranos, The Wire, etc.), but LOST did it for millions at @ 8pm once a week for years on end. You gotta respect that. Second, while it does meander and truly earns it's name by the show's end, IT IS STILL MEMORABLE. To this day, I can close my eyes and rewatch many unique scenes. In that regard, I view it as very special and singular.
2:30 I half agree, I think TV shows nowadays are non immersive and lame, lazily written plot slops, broken up by 5 minute advertising breaks... But I can tell you pretty much verbatim, and probably half of the script of all 6 seasons of Peaky Blinders. I DO remember it, and think about the show often.
@ Thank you diaper enthusiast I was awaiting your spectacular opinion. I just wake up every day saying “I wonder if today is the day that diaper enthusiast will grace me with a single word comment on TH-cam?”
Hes not wrong. One of the problems with TV is they start great and if they get popular then the money men just want to keep it rolling for as long as possible so the story becomes less important and longevity becomes the goal. Basically greed over creativity.
There’s a reason why most TV stars aspire to become movie stars (as they sit at the top of the entertainment hierarchy). That said…Sopranos, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, The Shield, and (the first few seasons of) The Walking Dead, and Game of Thrones…The writing and cinematography for all were…transcendental.
@@simonobeirne4105 Really sad how The Shield’s just been…forgotten. Michael Chiklis delivered a top-notch performance. The Albanian money-train storyline was 🔥.
tv show storytelling is better currently than movies bc there's no need to pander to overseas investors which limit artistic expression. For drama shows, there needs to be a season limit to give a good ending (like 4 or 5 seasons). For comedy shows, they for sure can drag it out until season 10 bc its about the characters rather than plot
🤔 definitely tons of pandering with tv shows. theres so much money to lose when killing off popular characters. also a lot of filler dialogue to meet episode quota. leaving things at cliff hangers to milk another season. i do enjoy the longer format story telling
@X123-c2j never said tv shows have zero flaws. Overseas has waaay more restrictions on the kind of stories they'll give money to hence why film is only funding remakes & sequels that guarantee making their money back from overseas audience. GoT was popular bc they killed off main characters & popular characters. TWD is another example of this. Networks cancel shows left & right willingly losing money despite the audience protesting. Tv shows may have some pandering but not to the extreme that they refuse to fund different genres of projects like the film industry does. A24 is one of the few that actually take chances on risky projects
Umm the pandering is everywhere tf u talkin bout? Drama bores me, and I don't know a series that doesn't do drama, movies on the other hand can do John Wick. Show me one tv show equivalent to John Wick...
@arcguardian pandering in regards to oversea investors & audiences who r the top priority to satisfy according to the few major productions companies that have monopoly of the film industry & can choose what film projects to greenlight. Hence why there r only remakes & sequels being made. It guarantees a return on investment bc they get the most money from oversea audiences. If they lose money in America, they make it up from other countries paying to watch it. The country's govt r the ones who decide if a film is allowed to play in their theaters. Therefore, tight restrictions on genres of storytelling & their content (pandering). Meh im not gonna say ur bad for not enjoying dramas lol its ur personal preference dude. If u like crazy action packed films then cool idc I like them too lol but I also like drama TV shows bc I get bored of only consuming one genre. John wick makes a ton of profit overseas so that means they get to have giant financing in their budget to afford the high-tech equipment, top of the line stunt crew/choreographer, & marketing. TV shows don't get that huge budget bc they don't cater to overseas investors nor depend on oversea audience to help make up the financial loss if they did spend that much money. TV shows profits rely on the American audience to make it successful enough to do another season w hopefully a better budget. The most they can do it crazy cgi like GoT & the new Harry Potter series coming soon
Most TV shows just drag on until they become financially unviable. The "good" seasons are just the early ones where they're setting things up and asking questions. But they can't resolve too much or the story ends, so it just drags until people stop watching.
Just posted something similar. I think this applies to a ton of shows that people consider recent classics. Start off with a really good idea but after the main idea is concluded, they've got nowhere to go so it's just stuff happening until the show is canceled.
@@qcriverrat Most of the best shows (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Game of Thrones before it outpaced the books) have some kind of end date built into the premise so they can stay on track with a long form story
I heavily disagree with this. You look at a show like the sopranos, the first season is a great start but compared to the rest of the show it’s incredibly cheesy. You can tell the writers were playing around with what exactly they wanted the show to be. The first seasons are usually rougher because the formula isn’t quite down yet. Then you get to season 5 of the sopranos, and you realize you’re watching a masterpiece.
I think it’s just that tv shows are high risk high reward. It’s a judgment call on the executives. That show “Heroes” is another example where they took a well calculated gamble but ultimately didn’t pull it off.
Movies are an intimate 2 hour experience that you are locked into a theater. Tv Shows are in your house with distractions and you watch an episode here and there take breaks etc. TV shows are great today but it’s just a different experience and different way of consuming storytelling. Streaming services definitely achieved that cinematic look compared to what is on cable in terms of Tv shows. Yellowstone is also an example of something great going too long and risk loosing stars like Costner then the creators scramble to end the show quickly and clunky.
Me too. I argue with my gf about tv shows that just go on like a soap opera. Tarantino explains it so much better than I. I will have to have my gf watch this clip.
My wife doesn’t understand why I much prefer movies to TV shows. Don’t get me wrong there are a handful of shows I like that are truly fantastic. And some miniseries also hit me like that. But the overwhelming a majority are of TV shows just don’t grab my attention.
@ shows tend to be much more repetitive and derivative. Don’t get me wrong most movies in the last 10 years have suffer from the same problem but to a lesser extent.
I hate how tv plot advancement is always hijacked by misunderstandings and just straight up dumb shit. Television shows try to see how long they can go, it's all about stretching out disposable content. Movies don't (or shouldn't) have time to include filler, but tv shows often feel like they're 40% filler. A movie knows it has a limit and has to tell a story within that time limit, but it has to work harder to get you to care for the characters because of this so everything has to be polished. They have higher budgets, so everything doesn't feel like it has a cheap veneer like TV shows often do. There's a spectacle movies provide that TV just can't replicate. But shows that lean into the drama, like Better Call Saul and Ozark etc. provide something movies generally can't. When you spend a lot of time with a good character, you really care for them. It makes those big moments mean more.
Films are absolutely more memorable and artistic than series. Time is precious. Series appeal mostly to those seeking prolonged mindless comfort, with some exception (Sopranos etc.) but very few.
Dumb take, The Haunting of Hill House was more memorable, artistic, and well crafted than any horror movie that came out in the last 30 years. I think a series is the better medium than movies by default cause of its longer runtime, just like how a feature-length film is superior to a short film. You get to write stories that are way more complex and fully realised than a movie. The only reason Shows Fall Short in the production department is because they dont have very high budgets. Like the budget for a movie is terms of dollars per minute is way higher than a Tv Shows dollar per minute. It's really hard to get that crazy cinematography shots in shows consistently cause of time and money contraints. Plus, you have to take into account that modern TV Industries is relatively new. It didn't really come into its own until Sopranos came and became a respectable subgenre of Cinema. We have way fewer examples of TV shows done right, but the number is growing.
@@irtezaahmed4554 Each to there own, but my comment was about art not entertainment. Film requires communication of an idea within a time constraint. TV series are not held to such constraints, thus I would consider less artistic.
@@bio-hazzard1233 They do not tell the story better in fact a lot worse since they have to make unnecessary subplot to keep the engagement episode by episode, also series are not necessarily longer. The episodic format of 1 hour was born just to add commercials, to fit the schedule of the TV, it is completely unnatural, there is a reason why the format of 3,5-4.5 hours with an intermission has being the norm for the greatest works of humanity in opera, theater or cinema. Even then, after a single work you can continue the story with another one, like Der Ring Des Nibelungen, Il Trittico or in movies divided into Part I, II and III, like The Human Condition, The Apu Trilogy. I mean you could easily with enough budget make a movie series of 5 films of 4 hours each about a serie and it will surpass it in every possible sense.
@@irtezaahmed4554 how is it a 'dumb' take" your take seems dumber to me so there's that. Movies are designed to have meaning and be concise and the good ones do that. TV series are just like chewing gum. Movies are a great meal
@@MrSladej one of my favourite scene is when he jus gets home from prison and he snorts the cocaine for the first time with his golden guns and starts laughing hysterically
Nope. More like a guy who had creepy connections...with creepy people...who got countless opportunities...to make his childhood stories, 1000% ripped off of OTHER movies, into movies. All of his original movies were frame-for-frame ripped off of OTHER movies. Grow up, people
@@tranceformerfx Right - but a lot of people wanted to see Walter's fall from power, which was a mistake in my opinion. Breaking Bad wasn't designed to tell a moral story.
After Fring died it did dip considerably. Still excellent and the best damn thing on TV, but the dip was noticeable as we were just so used to it being THAT good up until that point.
@@ryansmith7987quite the opposite. The stretch of episodes after Gus died are the highest rated episodes of the series. Season 5 is one of the highest rated seasons of TV ever made.
As a film buff with a blu ray collection of close to 2,000, I’d give anything just to sit and listen to Quentin talk for an hour. The guy is a genius and I own everyone of his films
@@224dot0dot0dot10 I don’t think it’s wrong to have that opinion but Tarantino’s catalog is so solid I don’t think there’s a definitive “BEST” that everyone will agree on Imo I’d say his best is either Pulp Fiction or Inglorious
@@224dot0dot0dot10no way lol. The story is great, but the lack of cinematics and everything else brings more to be desired. My personal favorite is by far Jackie Brown
Quentin forgets That he’s not on the same level as many other directors. His movies, even if you aren’t particularly into whatever story he may be telling, are always unforgettable and beautifully and masterfully done! On that note I Can Concede, Quentin’s movies are far better than shows. But that’s it 😅😂
I don't remember any of the kill bills or once upon a time in Hollywood (if that's even the name, I don't remember). I do really enjoy and remember the rest of his films.
Quentin’s brain works faster than he can speak and vice versa. He’s got so much stuff he wants to say but can’t get it fast enough, and then gets side tracked on some other amazing topic. You are absolutely top 3 greatest of all time Quentin Tarantino, maybe the very best, probably the very best
I think Taratino is a great example of how you channel autism for a positive. I bet he is on the spectrum just dont have a diagnosis. People need to stop looking at it as a negative.
and the think is that anything he says almost i find interesting, not sure if he is just smart or he has the aura because we all know what a great writer he is, probably both.
nah, tarantino is getting impassioned talking about what he loves most but NDT is going on a trip down lunacy lane trying to prove a point that isn't provable. guy is telling obama hold my beer on how to ruin a legacy.
3:25 this is so true. I think back to tv show i loved, but I only remember the main premise. Where as a good movie, I can recall all the best scenes and it's whole premise
Quinten has a creative way of saying most shows are drawn out. True, I think that's the point though. Breaking Bad has so many details in its story to appreciate, and that means people will watch it again. I think he might be conflating memorability with impact. Breaking Bad is more impactful, but less memorable, yet because of that, I've watched the series 3 times over in the span of a decade, each time appreciating a different perspective, and rediscovering forgotten details. This is why people love TV.
he is absolutely wrong..he is a movie director ,of course he would have a massive blind spot. Seinfeld , friends Fresh prince, soprano, breaking bad, game of thrones etc...still live on people mind many years aftet they ended.
"Cast Away" and "Almost Famous" are two of my all-time favorite films that really showcase the power of a self-contained story. They have that perfect blend of pacing, depth, and emotional weight that might have been diluted if stretched into a TV series. It’s fascinating how certain narratives can hit harder in a confined, 90-120 minute space-almost as if the brevity is what allows them to breathe. Stretching those films out could have risked losing their spark, or worse, turning them into something less urgent. There's a unique kind of magic in a well-crafted movie that doesn't always translate to episodic storytelling.
He does make a point about that peak moment in the arc and never forgetting. Two other great examples is the cliffhanger season 1 of Ozark and end scene/cliffhanger of 24, season 5.
Friday night lights was pretty good but it’s a stretch to call it one of the best shows of all time .. I think that title belongs to a show like Threes Company or the A Team
Quentin Tarantino is one of my heroes. Loud, lots of enthusiasm, extremely passionate, unique and a bit of a contrarian! I want to be him when i grow up LOL
A mini-series like a Band of brothers or Chernobyl is the best balance of both. It gets a little deeper into the story then a movie, but doesn't over stay its welcome like a seasonal TV series.
Brilliantly put!
Yeah, I think you’re right. The Wire could be seen as a collection of mini series, each one tells a complete story. That is a good model for how to do multiple seasons.
Yup. There’s a reason Chernobyl is one of the highest rated IMDB shows of all time
HBO is best at that. Love limited series
@@2Dman533 that Chernobyl is one of the most terrifying thing I’ve ever watched. It was brilliant yet horrific all at the same time.
Imagine Breaking Bad as a movie. That would've been a tragic loss.
Or the sopranos
Skipped season 2 -5 as it was boring, so movie would have been fine
Still would've worked the show is literally just a few key points...
Or hundreds of other series. Series are much better at adapting books or telling long form stories with extended arcs. To say one medium is better than the other is a pointless argument because they're set up to produce different products. I understand Quinten Tarantino is baised because he makes movies and this is just a snippet of a three hour interview, but it can be tedious listening to him speak for longer than 30 minutes. He's become such a pretentious narcissist that I almost don't want to hear him ramble about how great he is all the time because I love his movies and sometimes it's difficult to separate the art from the artist.
Breaking Bad is a masterpiece, if you could combine a ranking with Tv/movies it would be top 10 for me.
The problem with a lot of TV shows is they don't know when to stop!!!!!
The walking dead *cough*
And movies do?
Jaws franchise, Jurassic Park, the MCU, Pirates of the Caribbean, Fast and Furious, the entire horror genre, to name only some.
@@freethefoolishliterally thinking the same. Mission Impossible, Aliens, Predator, Star Wars
@FortuneFinders the irony of the walking dead franchise is that it went on so long past its prime, it's now a walking corpse itself.
@@shawnsmith4692 hahaha, and you're right
At the end of the day, a good story is a good story, whether it's in a movie, show, or video game. It all comes down to how well it's written and executed. I’m open to any medium, whether it’s a standalone piece or part of a larger series with sequels, prequels, or multiple seasons, as long as the quality and care shine through.
I dont think Ive ever agreed with a comment more than this
Agree, good story and not try to milking it dry, just ended in perfect ending
I love watching Joe not being able to get a word in with Quentin Tarantino. Makes me laugh.
Yeah Tarantino is just super passionate about movies. It’s great lol
I was just sat here thinking the exact same thing. It's unusual for Joe to relent so much.
If they are talking about cinema I only care about what Quentin has to say anyways
well he makes his job easier.
That's why Joe's good. It's not all about him, he's a generous host who knows it's the guests opinion that matters to the viewer
The first season of True Detective plays out like an 8 part epic. Ties in the past, to the present, to a new and unfolding plot - and resolves a massive mystery with two insanely detailed, complicated characters. The Rust getting caught up in the biker gang jacking the guy's house...and how he gets out of the whole situation - epic story presentation!
This: I always rave about the first season because it’s practically an 8 hour film. Brilliant season, probably the best singular season of any show.
Agreed. There are so many streaming sites and tv channels that most shows are bound to be bad or drag out. But AMC, HBO, Amazon, Apple, Netflix etc... have produced amazing series with a few 10 episode seasons. They don't drag on and also tell a longfrom story with top notch production and talented actors. There are more bad tv shows because they're produced significantly more than movies. But most movies are garbage so both entertainment mediums are guilty of over producing subpar product's. To say one medium is better than the other is asinine. There are great movies and great series, and each can be more effective to tell a particular story.
Man I watched season 1 n 2 about a year ago. Season 1 was badass n season 2 didn't disappoint. I feel like they had to have a bigger cast for season 2 cuz it wasnt as well written as the 1st
Agreed!
Season 1 of true detective is the great season of television ever made, Matthew Mcconaughay gave a performance of a lifetime. I rewatch that season once a year and every time I’m gripped
The problem with TV is that most don't know when to stop and unfortunately that is a fatal flaw built into that format. A film stands alone, even if it's part of a franchise.
They know when to stop. They choose not to for money
>Cough cough cough< The Simpsons >cough cough
They don't when to stop AND they don't know if they will be canceled.
Imagine having a great idea for a show. You put all those great ideas into one season. Now they say they want season two. Uh oh. I just used up all my great storytelling in season 1.
Breaking bad and Star wars thoroughly dismantle your entire argument
@@goochipoochieStar Wars is a horrible example, the later movies have been trash and only make money because of its rabid fanbase. They should’ve stopped 20+ years ago
Quentin is right, there is so much visual stimulation, that after 5-6 seasons, we remember bits, but lots is forgotten.
For most shows yes, but shows like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Sopranos, Better call Saul they are necessary
Watching House of Cards atm for the first time and now after hearing QT argument i think he is onto something. I could tell what happened in the first season but ask me anything from seasons 2-3 and its all a big blur.
True Detective season 1 is another one that really hits, the ending was incredible.
exactly what I was thinking
Oddly, Tarantino hated it. 😢
@@alienanxietyreally? Do you have a link of him talking about it?
Season 2 was also really underrated.
Season 3 was like watching paint dry and Season 4, whoever gave that pile of manure the greenlight needs to be fired.
The ending was weak, really only the middle episodes were great.
TV is like the 1st and 2nd act of a movie if the 2nd act just kept reinventing itself over and over. For me what Quentin is saying is TV rarely writes a killer 3rd act (because they don’t want the money to end)- this deeply effects the overall structure. Good movies accomplish closure and that’s rare for a series.
Well said
That’s a great point.
Agreed
this should be the top comment.
That’s why I loved Beef
I think The Sopranos has still stayed with me all this time. I still go back to watching the show from time to time. Great show.
Wasn't the ending dumb?
@@LiberatedMind1I thought so at first, but Ive seen great analysis of what the multi choice perspective means depending on whether you think/wanted Tony to die or not. And I honestly have come to believe its a great ending.
Best show ever made for TV!
Someone once said to me that it wasn’t Tony who got whacked but rather the audience were the ones who got whacked. I never heard that view before, but it made sense to me.
If you actually sit through those psychiatrist scenes or Carmella, you have some issues
So many episodes of The Sopranos have stayed with me and genuinely no movie compares to it imo.
Exactly
@@PooyaSadeghi But theres only 1,2,3 of those in the history of television... and there's been millions of hours lost on meandering television since in hopes of finding that again. whereas movies only ask for 2 hours of your time and have a beginning middle and end.
Definitely one of the few exceptions and not the rule though
There’s plenty of films far better than it. I mean first of all. It’s a mafia story. The mafia are as pathetic and dense as possible. And second, the Italians are regressive beyond belief. They’re fun to watch like animals but that’s about it.
The problem with TV, even when it is “good”, is that the shows aren’t always written with the ending in mind. They keep going until they are canceled. A really good show should be a limited series with a clear story arc.
Though there are quite a few exceptions, I agree. True detective season 1 is a perfect example of what you’re saying
This obviously doesn't work for shows like the office. Not every show is breaking bad. Every TV show now has to end at 5 seasons are all the fans spit and cry that it's the worst show of all time and they're dragging their feet. All tvs shows don't have to be building to a dramatic last stand.
@@WhimzicoYou raise a good point. But don’t you think that most shows that don’t have a clear story arc become unwatchable after a while? I think The Office is a case in point. It would have been better if it ended after Jim and Pam got together. The later seasons are, for me, unwatchable with absurd plots. Seinfeld might be a better example of what you are saying, but Curb your enthusiasm I think is a better show because each season is tightly written with a clear end that it builds to and that puts the earlier episodes into a proper narrative. Any way thanks for your reply.
@@moonlightblade8934True Detective season 1 is a masterpiece.
This or some use of non linearity that would allow a clear arc to be present even upon early cancellation
Yellowstone was a perfect example of this. First couple seasons go hard. And then at a certain point they just start drawing shit out and getting more ridiculous and pretty soon you’re watching a version of the a team with cowboy hats.
This last season is god awful
The whole show is awful!
I'm so glad to have someone else say that, I have been thinking the same thing, it got pretty hard to watch
Now I only watch Yellowstone for the acting. All of them are brilliant
Nah the walking dead had the game in a chokehold 😂😂
BREAKING NEWS: Movie Director likes movies more than TV shows
I'm sure if he wanted to they would let him direct a tv series.
Lmao
Agreed 🤝
😂😂
He has directed TV shows before.
I really enjoy when Quentin is on the pod. He brings interesting topics and information regarding Hollywood.
Rogan thinking Quentin would like ozark is adorable he thinks it’s like the best show ever lmao
@@Walko-talko I still haven’t even watched it lol, but I am a movie person
I gave up watching it after 2 episodes. It's horrible. You can tell he's never seen True Detective 1st season, Fargo or the wire.
Ozark is breaking bad cucked version.
If he liked a crap show like Yellowstone he could enjoy Ozark lol
@@gwine7084 maybe. Haven’t seen it. He also said he liked the first season, and sort of implied it got silly which is sort of the problem with most shows, and why it’s funny Rogan brought up ozarks and not sopranos or something that actually brought out the best of what a tv show can be.. ozarks is cool and entertaining but got so ridiculous after a certain point and had no vision for a full series rather just a splashy season one and go from ther.
Joe: "Why do you like Movies instead of TV Series?" Tarantino: "BECAUSE THEY"RE SO MUCH FUN JOE!"
"GET IT!!"
C'mon Jan!
Oh... I thought this was Rodney Mackay...
You can tell Joe finds Tarantino tiresome.
@@radagast7200 two ENTP's so that checks out.
Joe chiming in with 'Ozark' at 0:55 is hilarious
What a disappointment that show was
Tarantino blew right by that comment. LOL
Ozark mid as fuck after season 2
@@jimmygan801yes, good point. I really wanted it to be good, disappointed....
Worst joe opinion
I never really give a fuck what Quentin is talking about, but I can never stop listening either.
Facts 😂
I still think about Tony Soprano and George Costanza years after the show’s ended
Comedy sitcoms are different in general
But talent was different back then
@@europasopranos wasn’t a comedy
@@negativefishermen9286 if you don’t think the Sopranos had humour and was a comedy mixed in with all the other aspects of it. Then you didn’t watch the Sopranos.
That was back when TV series ruled, and movies were kind of shit. I feel like that has switched.
@ it had plenty of comedic moments in the same way Scarface or the godfather had humor. But the movie’s purpose is not to be a comedy. I’ve watched the sopranos nearly ten times now. I can school you son.
Breaking Bad, The Wire and even Game of Thrones has great set up and payoff’s I don't see myself ever forgetting.
Game of thrones had a good payoff? Wtf are you smoking?
Game of thrones till season 6
@@tstret3104 Not referring to ending of the show, but throughout the series
@@notvaas3093 Nah, in order to justify itself as a great show all of the seasons must be at least consistently-ok.
True Detective is the exception.
@@angrykramer Season 7-8 were a considerable drop in quantity over the previous seasons. I loved the show but they ruined basically all of the characters plot/story lines.
The Penguin is a great example of what a movie like TV show is like.
Andor too
penguin sucked
@@radisbpenguin was solid but there were prob 3 episodes they could’ve cut out
@@PRICEX Yeah far too many episodes, wasn’t going any further forward at points.
@@radisb It really did
First season of true detective is the pinnacle of a TV show.
He’s exactly right. I never finish a series and feel satisfied. I ALWAYS feel like…oh. This was pointless.
I hate watching a TV series knowing that there will be a next season and knowing there will be a cliff hanger and the end of the current season. That's why I am drawn to Mini-Series or showed like True Detective or Fargo where there is a new plot and a new set of characters.
Hmm....I've finished several that have conclusive well thought out endings. The Wire, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Boardwalk Empire, Sopranos (though they did leave a couple of loose ends).
@@doublestrokerollwhat loose ends did the sopranos leave
Anthologies are better. True Detective and Fargo are some of the best that tie everything up in a neat if not sometimes unsettling bow at the end of each season. Breaking Bad, The Boys, Game of Thrones up to season 4, Mad Men, house of the dragon. They all got better as the seasons went on. Some shows like Daredevil, Loki, Preacher, Mandalorian, Peacemaker, and The Walking dead have a really great start that’s worth a watch. The rest of these series aren’t as good or have pacing issues but they’re still okay.
Ozark and heroes also come to mind, great starts! Heroes is especially unique.
Series always gets dragged out to oblivion, until they lost all credit, but same can be said about sequels, and triquels(trilogies)
They try to milk all the money/merchandise/etc out of it. Eventually the milk always spoils.
@@CptWhit3y
Ya, and that never happens in the movie industry. I'll finish this comment after I finish Transformers 15 and buy some transformers toys and video games for Chistmas.
With Yellowstone, 1883 and 1923 they take way too long to come out with the next season so you lose interest. Tyler Sheridan has too many shows going on. Dude needs to do one at a time
@@landonic81 Agreed. He and Paramount are trying to cash in on the success while they can. I don't blame them at all, but the quality of Yellowstone went downhill after the first 3 seasons. It's just "Dallas" in a different location.
Setriloquies
Sopranos,Breaking bad, The Wire , GOT, True Detective, I remember all the characters, villains plot points , certain scenes , I remember everything. I don’t know what he means when he says you forget with shows unlike a movie
Better Call Saul
Mindhunter
Yeah. That’s just not true 😂 what are you? A pc?
Yes. Babylon 5
all of these examples are likely not the shows he is talking about. his gripe (to my understand) is with shows that don't bother to lay out a compelling story, choosing to coast off the established characters that have been set up (and the drama between them)
In my opinion in today’s entertainment industry I definitely prefer shows over movies. I feel like the movies today just don’t hold my attention like they did in the past. I’d rather watch older movies again than watch some of these new movies for 20 minutes.
Broadwalk empire is a great series that feels like a movie every season
Yes, loved it!
does exactly would tarentiono talked about building to something at the end of the season has hugge finales and big payoff at the end. its s as good as the other big hbo shows but always get slept on
First 2 seasons were great. Got a little hard to watch after that, TBH.
Couldn't really get into it, prefer Peaky Blinders more
You're missing out if you haven't seen Boardwalk. You're missing out if you haven't seen Peaky Blinders. I also think people are missing out if they don't do True Dectective SEASON 1. Also Justified, House, and Your Honor is my newest one. Half way through the 2nd season. Amazing series. Has Michael Stuhlbarg in it from Boardwalk. A good side mention for a TV show is Oz.
I watch Trailer Park Boys over and over and over. I remember specific episodes, movies, and character arcs.
its the way she goes sometimes
it's because you watch it over and over and over. Nvertheless Trailer Park Boys was a great series
Smokes lets go.
Tpb is the best
it's just water under the fridge
@@zwiadra8982 I watch it over and over cuz it's great.
Tarantino’s take on Homeland season 1 is awesome
really eloquently put
Buffy the Vampire Slayer really pioneered the seasonal arc on network TV. The finale of each season brought several storylines, character arcs and relationships(sometimes ranging over different seasons) together in a collision that had genuine stakes and consequences.
In particular, the finale of S2 was just soul shattering in its brutally operatic climax. It is haunting to this day, a quarter century later.
The show could well have ended on S5, with its definitive acknowledgement of The Slayer's destiny and the Pyrrhic victory of "The Gift".
But the 7th season series finale resolved the central dilemma posed all the way back in the series pilot in a marvelously satisfying way.
If a movie falls off in the end you wasted 1 1/2 to 2 hours. If a television show falls off it feels like you wasted years.
See Walking Dead
@@tomjoslin435 That's a stupid zombie show. I'd rather read up on something that actually blows my mind like quantum mechanics, or Shakespeare than a stupid popcorn tv show.
TV show "Lost"... what a moment of just giving up by the last season.
Game of Thrones…
@@robertsmith2088you’re pretentious af. It’s a very human show. The despair and dread is displayed perfectly.
Good lord imagine Quentin Tarantino and Neil Degrasse Tyson trying to have a conversation without talking over one another
one if not both of their heads would fkn explode😂
What do they have in common? Inflated egos. It's a turn off trait, don't mimic it folks. You're just making yourself less likable, trust me......
Great question lol
I think it would end with Tarantino doing Neil in like Tony did Coco in the restaurant scene in Sopranos.
I would have to tap out. Early.
Hes right some shows like Yellowstone are just soap opera
That's why it was a bad example to say that movies are better than TV shows. If he would have brought up Game of Thrones, it would be a different matter.
So are movies though
I wanted to disagree with Quentin just from reading the title but he’s right in a way. I’ve watched the sopranos complete season a few times and there are scenes and connections I forgot about. It’s the greatest show imo but it doesn’t hit like Goodfellas. Some ppl like having a few beers some ppl like mainlining 🤷
I get what he’s saying and I actually agree with Tarantino. And it makes shows like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones that much better in that context.
This is the prime comment.
Exactly precise.
There are hundreds of AMAZING. Breathtaking almost perfect films. There’s like 5 perfect shows and it’s really not even close.
@@ryanjosephdpthere are even more movies that sucks then shows, shows just take longer to make do to… time lol
@@ryanjosephdp It's because you can pack in a lot more great ideas in a film than you can in a stupid tv series. in TV series all the ideas become just far too diluted. Overall though I'd still rather read a great book than watch a great movie any day of the week. It's just a matter of practicality.
Game of Thrones is a bad example. They had no idea how to resolve the story.
Yeah, but those shows suffer from these exact issues that Quentin is talking about. For GoT it's obvious so I won't get into it... but Breaking Bad, a show everyone considers to be great television - even that show is too long. You could shorten season 1 a bit, and almost completely get rid of season 2, even shprten season 3 by an episode or two, and it would be better for it.
6:30 Neil Degrasse Tyson's interruptions were a WARM-UP for Tarantino's. 😂
I still rather watch Tarantino than Tyson, Tyson interrupts in a more annoying way somehow. Tyson is condescending, self-centered, egocentric, and conceited.
Also think Tyson’s politics has gotten the better of him, like even Bill Maher had to call him out.
@@PurpleT-Rex bill maher wanted a scientist to comment on gender issues and he stayed quiet
class
Sons of Anarchy is another good example of what Tarantino is explaining. First season was compelling. But then it just kept dragging on and the storyline was so dragged out and became so convoluted, that I eventually lost the plot and just stopped caring and therefore didn't get to season 3. Nothing ever got resolved.
I don't think it was convoluted, and I would argue everything got resolved. The problem is the show had to keep raising the stakes, and it got to the point where you could no longer suspend your disbelief. I agree with you overall about Sons, just not for the same reasons.
SOA started going downhill after Taylor Sheridan showed up.. coincidence?
Sons of anarchy was structured like a soap opera from the start though. It never had a story laid out, it never was planned out - just continuous shock value.
@omarcomin148 he was there from episode 1 and kwas killed off in season 2... So your blind hatred proves your dim... Sheridan was on 1 season of 8....and was a part of the best season...
Soa was a modern take on Hamlet...
Its kinda true, making a movie is art. To tell a long tragic and interesting story that people will understand and get engaged with in a short amount of time is very hard.
the balls on this guy saying that Deadwood was only good until when they had Carradine
I couldn't agree more . . . It wasnt good at all regardless.
Deadwood was awesome Al Swerenger is a character I'll remember forever.
Deadwood was a masterpiece.
I understand his point, but don't agree with it at all. Using Deadwood as his example doesn't work, because the show is about how a town evolves from a lawless mining camp to self governing community.The death of a well known celebrity is what attracted unwanted attention, and spurred further events. Wild Bill was a catalyst for the development of the town, but not actually the focal point of the series. The strength of the other actors carried Deadwood well through 3 seasons. Fair to say that the recent movie left more people unsatisfied then the series ever did.
@@ChristianDarkwood well said, couldn't agree more!
Quentin is right on about Yellowstone being soap. But that other guy is so wrong about Deadwood. The conflict between George Hearst, Sheriff Bullock, and Swedgin is far more impactful than the death of Wild Bill Hickok. The show down between Big Dan and Hearst’s man Captain Turner was a classic. IDK what that guy is talking about, I remember a lot about that show.
I completely agree. Deadwood was one of those rare shows that pissed me off because it ended and I wanted more.
@@ayearinthelifeofanxietyjoe4413 Same with Carnivale
I wish I could forget deadwood so I could watch it for the first time again.
@@ayearinthelifeofanxietyjoe4413Raised by Wolves was anither that got killed too soon. No one paid attention to it but i was absolutely mesmerized by it. It was wird and crazy but so good
And Francis Wolcott! One of the sickest villains in tv history.
The Wire, Fargo (Series), Breaking Bad/ Call Saul, Sopranos. I have those shows on a continual loop. Timeless. Better then a movie.
same
I like watching Different Strokes when I get home from Tuba class
Nah it’s always inferior to great movies.
❤❤❤
Quentin’s the real deal, doesn’t chew too much shid - really enjoy and appreciate his perspectives
Good movie is always better
Sone shows/specials like 1 long movie! Friend & i just binged watched that "The Madness" felt lije a movie we watched in 2 days lol
Agreed
A tv show fills in details for you. Movies allow your imagination to fill in details; making it more memorable.
I never understood people who watch a tv show on a Friday/ Saturday night rather than putting on a movie.
A movie you can only see once. I can watch a show for months if I havent seen it and it has a lot of seasons
If a movie nails it then 2 and a half hours is plenty to tell a story and make it good
Depends on story depth and the conclusion you want for the main characters. The Dark Knight demonstrates this perfectly. But I find there are a lot of movies that are cut too short with a significant number of questions about the story/characters that audience members might have.
To me it all comes down to the writing and the acting. There are a lot of movies out there that I completely forget about because the writing was mediocre and there was no 'awe' in the storyline. Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt's 'The Fall Guy' I've already forgotten about. There was no awe in the story.
But Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Stranger Things, The Witcher, (some might say it's too political but if you look past it) The Boys, are all that COULD NOT work as a movie. There are simply too many factors in the storyline that they have no choice but to make it longer.
All comes down to how well the writers, actors, and setting can grab your attention and keep it for the duration of the screentime.
The amount of great things fitted into 'casablanca' is insane considering it's what 1hr 35mins
Some movies can. But take LOTR or Dune. You need more then 90 minutes to really tell the stories.
@@JJ-nu8qithat's irrelevant, because u don't need every detail to make a good movie, including LOTR.
@@arcguardian That depends. Some stories need more detail to explain the characters and world. Especially scifi and fantasy.
Quentin is bang on.
Pretty much every TV series eventually turns into a glorified soap opera.
Or jumps the shark in one way or another, a phrase coined to describe it passing its prime and becoming corny or somehow losing its way.
The best are the ones that don't intend for a second season. As with life there is no meaning without the impending end.
That's because movies are contained stories. With TV, at a certain point, the writers just start making up BS to extend and pad out the stroylines.
I call it the “Lost” effect, where every episode is a cliff hanger, and they are just spinning a simple story into lots of “content”.
There are shows (The Wire and breaking bad are good examples) where there is a total vision and the effect is much greater than a single film could ever achieve.
I think it’s important to make the distinction…
Nah, it's his ego talking. Justified? Mr Inbetween? Boardwalk Empire? I can keep going. Quentin doesn't do TV therefore TV is inferior in Quentin's mind. That's it.
This is why the sopranos as a show is regarded as one of the best of all time.
Character: *has interesting story arc
Tarantino: “*THAT SHOULDA BEEN A MOOVIE!*”
Not a huge fan of Yellowstone but Taylor Sheridan wrote Sicario and Hell or high water and they are great
His other show set in the 1800's is also very good.
Wind River too. I like his movie writing more than his tv stuff.
@@shanerjedi1138 for sure forgot he did, that movie is what true detective season 4 should have been lol
True detective season 4 sucked
He also played sheriff David Hale in Sons of Anarchy which was...not the best use of his talents.
It is true that many great TV shows have lackluster "payoff" when compared to movies
And too much filler. A season of a show should never be set to 22-24, 12-13, or even 6 episodes. It should take what the story requires. If that means one season is 4 episodes, another is 7, another is 11, another is 5, then so be it. As soon as there's some arbitrary requirement (or one driven by factors not pertaining to the show, like streaming numbers or "content" or ads), then it's compromised.
@@beerosaurusrexor u can just not do filler, idc if it's 1000 episodes long, just so long as it isn't soap opera...
You need to watch some better tv lol
@@beerosaurusrex This is why television is worse, it's more corporate so you have to make the amount of episodes the network dictates. Episodic shows work better because they aren't stuck to a single arc, they have more leeway.
Lost may win the prize for this.
I forgot about Homeland because I gave up on it after a few seasons.
But oh man, that season 1 finale may have been the most emotional thing I have ever seen (that scene Quentin is discussing)…
Homeland man. Doesn't get enough love. That arch through season 3 is pretty damn good. He pretty much nailed it. I guess that's not strange but...
Yes first couple seasons were incredible, whether or not Brody had been turned or not
Than Battlestar Galactica (TV Series 2004-2009) was great movie because 15 years later I can still remember many impactful scenes from all 4 seasons.
I don't remember the details, but it was a great series.
Still, I think it was great because they were few seasons. If it were like 10 seasons, it would have lost the plot.
@@kamu747 Doesn't Battle Star Galactica (2004) have the same writer and same show runner as the "Star Trek : Voyager" TV show? So Star Trek Voyager and Battle Star Galactica (2004) were supposedly written by the same people weren't they?
Ronald D Moore worked on Deep Space 9 and Voyager but got pissed off with the direction Voyager was going in so he left to do Battlestar. He also does "For all Mankind".
This is why The Shield was so genius: it was episodic AND serialized at the same time. Top 3 series of all time along with Sopranos and whatever... take your pic.
Agreed the shield and sopranos are both masterpieces
As a self proclaimed TV connoisseur, I've had thoughts about watching The Shield as I've always known its kind of a hidden gem. I have Mad Men and Twin Peaks queued up, half way through finishing Mr Robot. Worth it broze?
@@djdarklyceum I’ve seen all the shows you mentioned if I had to rank them all best to worst imo I’d go
1. Mr robot (one of the five best series I’ve ever watched absolute masterpiece)
2. The shield (one of the ten best shows I’ve seen, and easily one of the most consistently entertaining and well written shows out there. Absolutely worth watching you won’t much or maybe any more engaging shows. It’s phenomenal.)
3. Mad men (one of the top twenty-twenty five best series I’ve watched. Another masterpiece with some of the best writing and dialogue you’ll see in a tv show. The only reason it’s not quite as good as mr robot and the shield imo is because it lacks in terms of plot and can be a bit boring at times. Still nonetheless an incredible show from start to finish.
4. Twin peaks ( ranks somewhere in my top forty-fifty best series it definitely is the most unique/ambitious out of the four but easily the most flawed. It’s certainly an interesting show but I wouldn’t call it an overall great series although it could’ve been with different writers imo. I don’t want to 💩on it as I do think it’s worth viewing just for how unique and odd it truly is but not a masterpiece like the other three imo.
I’m open to stories in any medium as long as they’re executed well. However, when done right, shows have the unique advantage of delving deeply into character development and allowing narratives to unfold at a slower, more deliberate pace, giving themes and emotions the space to resonate. Assuming each episode is an hour long, you're given the opportunity to dive deep into characters and plot, with the entire season offering a multi-layered experience, assuming it’s well-executed. Movies, on the other hand, require precision in pacing and storytelling, where every piece must fit perfectly to create a cohesive whole. While both formats require careful pacing, because all great stories do, the shorter runtime of movies leaves little room for error, making meticulous storytelling an absolute necessity. Which directors like Christopher Nolan beautifully excel at.
Ok, good. I experience the sane thing as Tarantino of totally forgetting about snows afterwards, though very intrigued at the time. Glad its not just me
Right. Thunderstorms are usually more memorable than snowfalls.
Yeah I hadn’t thought about it before. Can’t remember any part of Yellowstone apart from like a few seconds here and there
Except we never forget the truly great ones, do we?
Some of my more recent memorable shows were Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones (S1-S5), Mr. Robot, LOST, Boardwalk Empire, Fargo, For All Mankind, Arcane and The Penguin. THESE are real movies in long-form episodic TV format -- a feat which makes them all the more impressive, given their ability to evolve and sustain complex storylines over such tremendous duration.
@@schmiggidyLost is the poster child for overblown series. One series would have been more than enough for that show…
@@atomicsmith LOST is on my list for 2 reasons:
First, it introduced high-quality episodic TV-based storytelling to the masses via primetime programming on ABC. It absolutely was must-watch TV at the time -- very similar to GoT in that respect. Yes, several shows from subscription-based HBO started this trend a few years earlier (Sopranos, The Wire, etc.), but LOST did it for millions at @ 8pm once a week for years on end. You gotta respect that.
Second, while it does meander and truly earns it's name by the show's end, IT IS STILL MEMORABLE. To this day, I can close my eyes and rewatch many unique scenes. In that regard, I view it as very special and singular.
@ 7:13 legitimately forgot there was a third dude in the studio 🤣
2:30 I half agree, I think TV shows nowadays are non immersive and lame, lazily written plot slops, broken up by 5 minute advertising breaks... But I can tell you pretty much verbatim, and probably half of the script of all 6 seasons of Peaky Blinders. I DO remember it, and think about the show often.
Cough cough Colion Noir let his channel become one big commercial for big box Gun companies
I mean, The Wire. I've rewatched The Wire more than any film
Nowadays. TV shows were designed around commercial breaks since the 1950s
How many tv shows have you even watched?
He is ABSoLUTELY right ! I remember almost all my childhood films and even the ones as an adult 😃
This is the only part of this podcast I will watch. These guys 3:07 are crazy Hollywood bubble people
He is spot on with the TV vs Movie
Imagine having Quentin say he loves your show. Who cares what he says after, he is right but still. That accolade alone would feel amazing.
Who cares what he thinks
Quentin likes a lot of crap
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@ Thank you diaper enthusiast I was awaiting your spectacular opinion. I just wake up every day saying “I wonder if today is the day that diaper enthusiast will grace me with a single word comment on TH-cam?”
He also said he liked Joker 2, so...
Tv shows need to max out at 5 seasons at best .
I loved the walking dead but my god was it a struggle to get to the end .
The soap opera analogy is so damn true.
Hes not wrong. One of the problems with TV is they start great and if they get popular then the money men just want to keep it rolling for as long as possible so the story becomes less important and longevity becomes the goal.
Basically greed over creativity.
There’s a reason why most TV stars aspire to become movie stars (as they sit at the top of the entertainment hierarchy). That said…Sopranos, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, The Shield, and (the first few seasons of) The Walking Dead, and Game of Thrones…The writing and cinematography for all were…transcendental.
Sopranos,The Shield,Mad Men, Breakind Bad and The Wire deffo Top 5 shows of all time
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Really sad how The Shield’s just been…forgotten. Michael Chiklis delivered a top-notch performance. The Albanian money-train storyline was 🔥.
tv show storytelling is better currently than movies bc there's no need to pander to overseas investors which limit artistic expression. For drama shows, there needs to be a season limit to give a good ending (like 4 or 5 seasons). For comedy shows, they for sure can drag it out until season 10 bc its about the characters rather than plot
🤔 definitely tons of pandering with tv shows. theres so much money to lose when killing off popular characters. also a lot of filler dialogue to meet episode quota. leaving things at cliff hangers to milk another season. i do enjoy the longer format story telling
@X123-c2j never said tv shows have zero flaws. Overseas has waaay more restrictions on the kind of stories they'll give money to hence why film is only funding remakes & sequels that guarantee making their money back from overseas audience. GoT was popular bc they killed off main characters & popular characters. TWD is another example of this. Networks cancel shows left & right willingly losing money despite the audience protesting. Tv shows may have some pandering but not to the extreme that they refuse to fund different genres of projects like the film industry does. A24 is one of the few that actually take chances on risky projects
Umm the pandering is everywhere tf u talkin bout? Drama bores me, and I don't know a series that doesn't do drama, movies on the other hand can do John Wick.
Show me one tv show equivalent to John Wick...
@arcguardian pandering in regards to oversea investors & audiences who r the top priority to satisfy according to the few major productions companies that have monopoly of the film industry & can choose what film projects to greenlight. Hence why there r only remakes & sequels being made. It guarantees a return on investment bc they get the most money from oversea audiences. If they lose money in America, they make it up from other countries paying to watch it. The country's govt r the ones who decide if a film is allowed to play in their theaters. Therefore, tight restrictions on genres of storytelling & their content (pandering). Meh im not gonna say ur bad for not enjoying dramas lol its ur personal preference dude. If u like crazy action packed films then cool idc I like them too lol but I also like drama TV shows bc I get bored of only consuming one genre. John wick makes a ton of profit overseas so that means they get to have giant financing in their budget to afford the high-tech equipment, top of the line stunt crew/choreographer, & marketing. TV shows don't get that huge budget bc they don't cater to overseas investors nor depend on oversea audience to help make up the financial loss if they did spend that much money. TV shows profits rely on the American audience to make it successful enough to do another season w hopefully a better budget. The most they can do it crazy cgi like GoT & the new Harry Potter series coming soon
@@arcguardian The terminal list and it has an objectively better story than John Wick
Most TV shows just drag on until they become financially unviable. The "good" seasons are just the early ones where they're setting things up and asking questions. But they can't resolve too much or the story ends, so it just drags until people stop watching.
Just posted something similar. I think this applies to a ton of shows that people consider recent classics. Start off with a really good idea but after the main idea is concluded, they've got nowhere to go so it's just stuff happening until the show is canceled.
@@qcriverrat Most of the best shows (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Game of Thrones before it outpaced the books) have some kind of end date built into the premise so they can stay on track with a long form story
I heavily disagree with this. You look at a show like the sopranos, the first season is a great start but compared to the rest of the show it’s incredibly cheesy. You can tell the writers were playing around with what exactly they wanted the show to be. The first seasons are usually rougher because the formula isn’t quite down yet. Then you get to season 5 of the sopranos, and you realize you’re watching a masterpiece.
Homeland was great. Still haven't seen the last second half of the last series.
The way he explains this all, resonates with big time.
I think it’s just that tv shows are high risk high reward. It’s a judgment call on the executives. That show “Heroes” is another example where they took a well calculated gamble but ultimately didn’t pull it off.
Movies are an intimate 2 hour experience that you are locked into a theater. Tv Shows are in your house with distractions and you watch an episode here and there take breaks etc. TV shows are great today but it’s just a different experience and different way of consuming storytelling. Streaming services definitely achieved that cinematic look compared to what is on cable in terms of Tv shows.
Yellowstone is also an example of something great going too long and risk loosing stars like Costner then the creators scramble to end the show quickly and clunky.
I can binge watch a series and watch 4 episodes without taking a break. What are you talking about???
Yep, agree with Quentin’s points.
I 100% understand what Tarantino is saying. Absolutely.
Me too. I argue with my gf about tv shows that just go on like a soap opera. Tarantino explains it so much better than I. I will have to have my gf watch this clip.
My wife doesn’t understand why I much prefer movies to TV shows. Don’t get me wrong there are a handful of shows I like that are truly fantastic. And some miniseries also hit me like that. But the overwhelming a majority are of TV shows just don’t grab my attention.
Once you watch a good show, movies seem too short and not as good
@ shows tend to be much more repetitive and derivative. Don’t get me wrong most movies in the last 10 years have suffer from the same problem but to a lesser extent.
sarcasm😂
I hate how tv plot advancement is always hijacked by misunderstandings and just straight up dumb shit. Television shows try to see how long they can go, it's all about stretching out disposable content. Movies don't (or shouldn't) have time to include filler, but tv shows often feel like they're 40% filler.
A movie knows it has a limit and has to tell a story within that time limit, but it has to work harder to get you to care for the characters because of this so everything has to be polished. They have higher budgets, so everything doesn't feel like it has a cheap veneer like TV shows often do. There's a spectacle movies provide that TV just can't replicate.
But shows that lean into the drama, like Better Call Saul and Ozark etc. provide something movies generally can't. When you spend a lot of time with a good character, you really care for them. It makes those big moments mean more.
Films are absolutely more memorable and artistic than series. Time is precious. Series appeal mostly to those seeking prolonged mindless comfort, with some exception (Sopranos etc.) but very few.
Wrong. I like tv shows over movies because they tell the story better. Movies aren’t long enough and I don’t like the tv shows you’re describing
Dumb take, The Haunting of Hill House was more memorable, artistic, and well crafted than any horror movie that came out in the last 30 years. I think a series is the better medium than movies by default cause of its longer runtime, just like how a feature-length film is superior to a short film. You get to write stories that are way more complex and fully realised than a movie. The only reason Shows Fall Short in the production department is because they dont have very high budgets. Like the budget for a movie is terms of dollars per minute is way higher than a Tv Shows dollar per minute. It's really hard to get that crazy cinematography shots in shows consistently cause of time and money contraints. Plus, you have to take into account that modern TV Industries is relatively new. It didn't really come into its own until Sopranos came and became a respectable subgenre of Cinema. We have way fewer examples of TV shows done right, but the number is growing.
@@irtezaahmed4554 Each to there own, but my comment was about art not entertainment. Film requires communication of an idea within a time constraint. TV series are not held to such constraints, thus I would consider less artistic.
@@bio-hazzard1233 They do not tell the story better in fact a lot worse since they have to make unnecessary subplot to keep the engagement episode by episode, also series are not necessarily longer. The episodic format of 1 hour was born just to add commercials, to fit the schedule of the TV, it is completely unnatural, there is a reason why the format of 3,5-4.5 hours with an intermission has being the norm for the greatest works of humanity in opera, theater or cinema. Even then, after a single work you can continue the story with another one, like Der Ring Des Nibelungen, Il Trittico or in movies divided into Part I, II and III, like The Human Condition, The Apu Trilogy. I mean you could easily with enough budget make a movie series of 5 films of 4 hours each about a serie and it will surpass it in every possible sense.
@@irtezaahmed4554 how is it a 'dumb' take" your take seems dumber to me so there's that. Movies are designed to have meaning and be concise and the good ones do that. TV series are just like chewing gum. Movies are a great meal
2:45 i feel this way about "Face Off". Every moment of that movie and each of its characters pulled me in. I remember every minute. Absolutely love it
Im Caster Troy!
@@MrSladej one of my favourite scene is when he jus gets home from prison and he snorts the cocaine for the first time with his golden guns and starts laughing hysterically
i love watching quentin talk about movies. its like watching davinci talk about his favorite types of paintbrushes
He does it in a way that makes you jealous of the perspective that he has.
Nah
He's just mad there aren't more foot shots in these shows
Painting is the least interesting part of Davinci
Nope. More like a guy who had creepy connections...with creepy people...who got countless opportunities...to make his childhood stories, 1000% ripped off of OTHER movies, into movies. All of his original movies were frame-for-frame ripped off of OTHER movies. Grow up, people
I can't imagine a world without Tarantino
That is why Breaking Bad is the best show ever. Its the only one that is not dragged on at all.
except the fly episode
Ehhhhhhhhh not true, Breaking Bad definitely drug its feet when Gus Fring was killed. It should have ended there.
@@tranceformerfx Right - but a lot of people wanted to see Walter's fall from power, which was a mistake in my opinion. Breaking Bad wasn't designed to tell a moral story.
After Fring died it did dip considerably. Still excellent and the best damn thing on TV, but the dip was noticeable as we were just so used to it being THAT good up until that point.
@@ryansmith7987quite the opposite. The stretch of episodes after Gus died are the highest rated episodes of the series. Season 5 is one of the highest rated seasons of TV ever made.
When did Tarantino become Jay Leno?
Quentin "Have you seen this? Have you heard this? This is true!" Tarantino
I was thinking the same thing lol
well he always had that chin
It's the high pitched stutter 😂
the chin was always there
This homie cooking
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As a film buff with a blu ray collection of close to 2,000, I’d give anything just to sit and listen to Quentin talk for an hour. The guy is a genius and I own everyone of his films
It seemed to me as if Reservoir Dogs was better than Quentin Tarantino's other films, or am I totally wrong about this?
@@224dot0dot0dot10 I don’t think it’s wrong to have that opinion but Tarantino’s catalog is so solid I don’t think there’s a definitive “BEST” that everyone will agree on
Imo I’d say his best is either Pulp Fiction or Inglorious
@@224dot0dot0dot10 Yes, you are wrong. Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown were his high water mark. It's been all downhill ever since.
@@224dot0dot0dot10no way lol. The story is great, but the lack of cinematics and everything else brings more to be desired. My personal favorite is by far Jackie Brown
Quentin forgets
That he’s not on the same level as many other directors.
His movies, even if you aren’t particularly into whatever story he may be telling, are always unforgettable and beautifully and masterfully done!
On that note I Can Concede, Quentin’s movies are far better than shows.
But that’s it 😅😂
I don't remember any of the kill bills or once upon a time in Hollywood (if that's even the name, I don't remember). I do really enjoy and remember the rest of his films.
He doesn't forget.
Quentin’s brain works faster than he can speak and vice versa. He’s got so much stuff he wants to say but can’t get it fast enough, and then gets side tracked on some other amazing topic. You are absolutely top 3 greatest of all time Quentin Tarantino, maybe the very best, probably the very best
I think Taratino is a great example of how you channel autism for a positive. I bet he is on the spectrum just dont have a diagnosis. People need to stop looking at it as a negative.
If best talk over everybody guy, yes, he is that
and the think is that anything he says almost i find interesting, not sure if he is just smart or he has the aura because we all know what a great writer he is, probably both.
According to Michael Pollan, he is a coffee addict.
So true and he is authentic with his love of movies and TV. He is not a snob about it.
5:34 he sounds so stoned 😂
Or does it just so happen that you see smoke in the background
This is such a profound analysis. Not many would have picked up a bone against tv series these days but he chose to and won 🏅
6:30 this interruption was worse than any Neil Degrass Tyson clip
Joe Rogan is an idiot and needs this
I think Joe was fine with it, he realizes Quentin is just a old autistic man
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nah, tarantino is getting impassioned talking about what he loves most but NDT is going on a trip down lunacy lane trying to prove a point that isn't provable. guy is telling obama hold my beer on how to ruin a legacy.
He was probably getting frustrated that Joe was failing to grasp his point.
3:25 this is so true. I think back to tv show i loved, but I only remember the main premise. Where as a good movie, I can recall all the best scenes and it's whole premise
I'm like that with movies too 😂
I’ve seen some movies that would be better as shows and some shows that would be better as movies. Goes both ways
Quinten has a creative way of saying most shows are drawn out. True, I think that's the point though. Breaking Bad has so many details in its story to appreciate, and that means people will watch it again. I think he might be conflating memorability with impact. Breaking Bad is more impactful, but less memorable, yet because of that, I've watched the series 3 times over in the span of a decade, each time appreciating a different perspective, and rediscovering forgotten details. This is why people love TV.
Tarantino is spot on about a soap and a movie.
He's absolutely right
he is absolutely wrong..he is a movie director ,of course he would have a massive blind spot. Seinfeld , friends Fresh prince, soprano, breaking bad, game of thrones etc...still live on people mind many years aftet they ended.
@@blueXcss and i can't remember 90% of the movies i see whereas i remember all of those shows vividly
Black sails was the only series that did not drag on. 4 seasons was perfect.
Dragged on for me. I stopped halfway through the second season. That seems to be about how long I last on most tv series.
Black Sails was good until they made the main character gay. Unfortunately that was the beginning of the gay character quota.
The gay story line was boring
I've watched more than 100 tv-shows, black sails is one of the slowest shows I've watched.
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"Cast Away" and "Almost Famous" are two of my all-time favorite films that really showcase the power of a self-contained story. They have that perfect blend of pacing, depth, and emotional weight that might have been diluted if stretched into a TV series. It’s fascinating how certain narratives can hit harder in a confined, 90-120 minute space-almost as if the brevity is what allows them to breathe. Stretching those films out could have risked losing their spark, or worse, turning them into something less urgent. There's a unique kind of magic in a well-crafted movie that doesn't always translate to episodic storytelling.
He does make a point about that peak moment in the arc and never forgetting. Two other great examples is the cliffhanger season 1 of Ozark and end scene/cliffhanger of 24, season 5.
The last episode of Ozark as dumb. You could tell they made quick changes cause the show was suddenly not going to a new season
Friday Night Lights was ONE OF THE BEST tv shows of all time!! Highly recommended if you love football and brotherhood
Friday night lights was pretty good but it’s a stretch to call it one of the best shows of all time .. I think that title belongs to a show like Threes Company or the A Team
Movies are king. Unfortunately Hollywood has lost 90% of their creativity and imagination.
I’m writing a lot of original scripts, WITHOUT AI 😂, and I hope someone in Hollywood takes a chance on them!
They got woke
They lost to Chinese funding and streaming services, which is sad
watch a good Korean drama
@@StoveyStoveTop you are using AI
Quentin Tarantino is one of my heroes. Loud, lots of enthusiasm, extremely passionate, unique and a bit of a contrarian! I want to be him when i grow up LOL
Wonder what Quentins' opinion is on Breaking Bad? IMO best tv show of all time
He would have thought it was just okay. Not one scene in the entire series showed Skylar's bare feet.
@ 😭😭😭 trueeeee, out of the all the homage to pulp fiction I would have loved to see a jab at FDTD in breaking bad.