Is The Sig P365 Safe to Carry?? Firearms Engineer's Viewpoint. Part 4 Will the Striker Break???
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- In this video, we investigate in depth the likelihood of the P365's Striker breaking in half, which could cause a potential accidental discharge. Is it likely for the back portion of the striker to break off??? Watch the video and decide for yourself.
This is the final engineering review of a series of reviews we've done over the past two years covering the P365. We will now be reviewing other popular firearms as time allows and as the business continues to grow. Thank you all for your continued support, and hopefully over the years we can continue to put content out that addresses the technical questions brought about in the firearms community.
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"WPAJR on 4 Oct 12:25
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Stay Safe,
Stephen @ ProTEQ
Gotta respect that you didn’t re-record to erase your initial hypothesis. You showed your full methodology, even though your experiment countered your initial guess, regarding those primers. Good science gets my subscription. Thanks for the time and effort you’ve put into these reviews, sir!
Thank you for your kind words Peter!
I have to agree with this comment. Thanks for what you've done and for your transparency.
I agree. Looking forward to watching more.
I agree, definitely appreciate the honesty even when results are a bit surprising.
You are the reason why I’m going to get a holster from you cause you know your stuff.
Thank you Joe!
When trying to find “whom to trust”, in just about EVERY walk of life, I ALWAYS look at “what” the person stands to gain from his POV. Being that you aren’t employed by Sig... AND you use your own equipment/money, to support your findings... I am WAY MORE inclined to trust what you say, than most “gun guys”.
Thank you Sir!
Your heavy use of quotes and capitilized portions made this hilarious to read. I don't watch anyone who is affiliated with Sig, and realistically people should do more research than watching a single video. Everything is just data that you can compile to help make a decision.
The testing done on this video, should make it clear that the Sig P365 is well designed, tough as it can be and has the blessings of a professional Firearms Engineer. It’s quite clear that there are lots of people who continue to develop scenarios in their minds, whereas things don’t work or fail. These people are overthinking and need to relax.
Very interesting. Thank you for doing this video. I carry my P365 every day and don't worry at all about the striker breaking.
You're welcome!
I like how you kept it real. You can tell a lot about a man’s character when his theory’s are proven inaccurate. You handled that like champ. You got my subscription. Keep up the good work buddy.
Thank you for your kind words Outlaw!
@@proteqcustomgear you’re welcome my friend.
Sorry your vise got damaged but thank you for doing this. Just the amount of effort it took to break that piece off makes me feel so much better. Great content. Subscribed.
Thank you Joseph!
Love what you are doing. Honest knowledgeable, and talented. I'll come back and watch this in full. I just skimmed through it for now. Preemptive thank you.
You're welcome Sasquatch!
Thanks for taking the time and money for the testing. The primer fire with a light strike doesn't surprise or concern me. Your professional experience with a demonstration has convinced me that the striker foot is simply not a potential point of failure.
"I'm a Toyota fan, love you guys. We're here for you if you need a ride." LOL
Haha! Just a friendly jab! Ford Super Duties are legit!
Ha! Ha! Loved it when he said that. FORD - Fix Or Repair Daily ;-)
@@proteqcustomgear which models do you have
I appreciate how objective you are with performing these tests and with sacrificing your own extremely used striker for the greater good. May it, and this issue, finally rest in peace.
I sure hope so too. So many people have been asking this question for so long.
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You have a great channel. No politics and no paid by gun manufacturers for wanted results👍👍
Thank you John!
Great video! I'm really surprised this primers went off. Also I can't believe that striker is that strong!
Thanks for the time and effort in your testing. I would love to see a video showing how the striker could fall off the seer (obviously dropping) but are there otter ways it could fall off or not catch fully.
Great video, and with an actual round there seems to be more pressure to actually ignite a primer. Just a what I’ve seen. I’m simply a garage (have no real experience engineer lol). But excellent video and thanks from the bottom of my heart for being honest! You could have easily finagled or deleted footage but thants honesty at its best! I trust the gun and I trust you more importantly!
This is such a well done video, thank you so much for making it. If I carried this anywhere other than appendix, I wouldn’t worry about the “unique” striker safety that sig uses. However, with sig’s recent track record, I don’t trust them enough to carry this anymore. You’ve finally put to bed the “could it or not” argument I’ve had in my head since I purchased my 365.
Thank you for your kind words Kevin!
I bet you bought the biggest piece of sh*t on the market didn't you...GLOCK.
Thanks for posting this. Another thing for people to remember, is that the odds of the striker lug simply shearing off while the pistol is being carried in a holster in a static striker-ready position, are below zero. It's just not going to happen under any conceivable circumstance. As an aside, there are no reported failures of any kind involving that component of the P365 that I have heard of anywhere, and this pistol is one of the most popular micro 9's ever made, with many thousand of them carried daily.
You're welcome Phil!
All Sigs are safe. Let the lie go.
Am I correct in my understanding that while that lug clearly held up against your torture test and prying, in reality, the only force it actually has to contend with on a regular basis is what the firing pin spring places on it?
And the only time it would ever see greater force placed on it is in the rare event it actually does come into contact with the firing pin safety block in which case it very likely holds up just fine since even then the force wouldn't amount to anywhere near what you placed on it with the vice and chuck and even if it somehow was damaged, it would slow the pin more than enough to prevent issue (not simply break through/snap like a blade of grass as if nothing was there). Thanks in advance, really appreciate your content and you taking the time to share you professional views
Great question and comment, Zev! You are correct! Stay Safe! -Stephen @ ProTEQ
as a fellow degreed professional mechanical engineer, I appreciated your thoroughness in this series and I have zero concerns for EDC with this gun. Thank you, Scott
Thank you Scott! It's nice running into fellow ME's and hearing similar feedback. 😊
Licensed Mech PE here also….great to see guys like us doing this stuff. Really cut through all the bro science I see online. I get into discussions all the time with people…”the dude on the internet is an operator, what could you know?” 😂. Just physics, math, and material science…nothing really!
You could be the voice of Dale Gribble off of King Of The Hill lol, but in all seriousness thanks for breaking down the mechanics behind the P365 series. It gives me more peace of mind after seeing everything that happened / is happening with the P320. Great reviews!
My man here just sold another P365XL. Bravo to you sir!!!
Congratulations TheHvK, and thank you for the compliment! If you need a super comfortable, robust, and concealable holster look us up!
Amazingly informative video. As I watched the testing part I kept thinking about a couple of things. Your first attempt you drug it back and released it, failure to fire. Then you reevaluated the technique and rolled it up and out of the way, it fired. You used this technique the rest of the test. So the questions would be. Are you replicating the actual design with a clean release? Do you think that even with the cleanest of breaks there might be a bit of drag as the break occurs, having a similar result to the first try? I am not an engineer so my uneducated thought would be the safety spring might have worked as you described if the release is not "clean". Curious what you think about it.
Good Observation Isaac! I don't believe it would have mattered either way, however.
Short answer: YES
Long answer: this guy's been shooting since he was 10, he's a firearms engineer with had worked at FN and Knights Armament for over 13 years, has shot millions of rounds and he and his father either currently carry it have carried this gun and have put it through it's paces.
Ideas:
- G48/43X, safe to carry?
- P365 XL reliability tests
Thanks Miguel!
My P365 was made February 4th 2021. And has zero striker drag. None at all. Good job SIG
I’ve wondered how well a gun as small as a P365 would hold up to the pounding of high round counts and you sure answered that question with 12,000 rounds plus. Pretty amazing and thanks for all the effort you put into the videos!
I attribute a lot of it to both the MIM technology and the chassis design of the pistol.
nobody putting 12,000 rounds through a damn personal defense carry gun.
Regrettably, I am a 'new' subscriber...I wish that I had found your channel since it's inception! This is the second episode that I have seen and already you have touched on something that I have brought up on a few other channels, that I am not sure that they understood the importance of 'notch sensitivity' and 'stress risers', insofar as the role that they play in material strength failures... especially, in situations where work-hardening can occur. You also mentioned the importance of ductility and understanding the tradeoff between yield strength and hardness.
I know that it might get a bit technical, but it would be great if you could go into some detail about the pressure levels involved with the onset of work hardening and the corresponding consequences for 'fatigue strength' vs. 'yield strength'! I know that this is a huge question requiring quite a lot of background but I have an idea given your audience, that many may find it worthwhile!
Thanks in advance for considering this question and as always, for your service!
Thank you for your kind words Cheryl! That would be a wonderful conversation to have, and you're probably right that some on the channel would truly appreciate going deeper into the mechanics of the material.
I just finished watching your series on this pistol as I quite liked the feel of the P365 in the store. I am just 2000 rounds into firearms ownership so most of this went over my head, but that's how it always goes with these technical things. I enjoyed your videos and hearing why the P365 is well designed and safe, but the biggest thing that stuck with me is when you showed off your holsters. I have seen the kybrid type before, but none that gave as much access to the handgun while in the holster. I have never carried, but while looking at other holsters I realized how clunky they would be to get a proper, secure grip quickly. I always strive to be as safe as possible with dangerous tools even in stressful situations, so I saw myself fumbling with other holsters. I am hitting the range to try out some P365s soon and you'll be the first stop I make when I get home. Thank you for all the work you've done and made available to us for free.
Sig 365 critics, adios. Thanks for the professionally informed video.
Would the striker safety plunger still block the firing pin movement inside the channel, if the lug broke off? When removing the striker, I need to press down on the plunger to get the striker to move. Seems its putting some friction/blocking movement of the striker in some fashion.
Thanks for the great video. What is the purpose of the deceleration safety spring?
As a fellow Hoosier, I’m glad I found your channel! You provide a great data driven analysis and seem like an honorable and just man. May God continue to bless you, your family and community.
We also have to account for the odds of the big if that the striker lug broke off it would likely do it during re-engagement and tumble and bind the striker. It's so unlikely that something bad would happen. I was convinced after the vise.
Great point Sir!
No comment on the test, others have done that. I am just amazed at how clean the shop is, did you buy all of that equipment last week?
Thank you Larry! We just keep stuff clean. :)
Just to be clear, the striker or the safety that holds it back could break, and either of those 2 failures alone, would cause the cartridge to fire. All it takes is a bad heat treat and a few years of hot and cold stress (sitting In truck during summer and winter) along with the stress of firing the gun to potentially break one of those components, and the gun will go bang. This is a fundamentally flawed design, and I can't take anyone seriously that believes this is an acceptable way to manufacture a handgun that is marketed as a 365 day a year carry gun. Never seen such mental gymnastics that people are coming up with to justify purely negligent, fundamentally flawed design.
I do understand that You Tube demonetizes Gun channels and creators deserve and need to get paid! Creators should just take the money and say they represent whichever product. Everyone is biased as we are human. Gun related company’s should do their advertising directly through creators paying them and use no threat names for guns and ammo so they do not get sued and we keep our manufactures. Guns and ammo work the same without scary names anti gun groups like to use in court.
Absolutely great ideas!
awesome vid, i learned A LOT. you earned my sub! I carry my xl daily.
Thank you Travis!
Damaging the spring would make it harder, not easier to hit the primer. Worst case would be to remove the spring altogether. In fact, that spring isn't even in the striker on most pos 365s. This dude is a complete clown.
I really appreciate it. Thanks.
You're welcome JD!
I like this video. It did build some of my confidence in the strength of the striker. Thank you for making the video.
However, since you were "trying to break it" I would've loved to see you pull the striker back in the slide and release it allowing that little extention on the striker sear to slap into the drop safety. Pull it back to the regular cocked position and release it several times letting it slam into the drop safety. If it doesn't break, pull it back further and further until ultimately pulling it as far back as physically possible and letting it slam into the drop safety. That would provide a more realistic situation of what would be happening inside the gun instead of bending it in a vice.
Thanks again for making this video though!
Good stuff!
Great point Corey! That would have been a good test to add to the regimine. I'll try to remember that if we do it again.
My battery is on 10,% can I get the summery in the description or the short form video 😅. Appreciate all you have done seriously. But you gotta understand the plus he video I won't watch all the way through even at 1.5 speed
I'm willing to bet if you would have used radial stress, it would have sheared off. The vice would have held for twisting radially instead of just pulling upwards. Regardless, the amount of force required shows the engineers did their job.
I am truly amazed that a MIM part is so sturdy.
Thank you for commenting, Owl! I was trying to imitate the tension and compression vectors it sees in the gun. The stress described in your comment sounds more torsional, and it doesn't appear to experience torsion while in the gun unless I am mistaken (which I've been mistaken plenty of times). Stay Safe!
Once he said he liked Toyotas over fords I knew he knows mechanically what he's talking about.
44:05 I have a P365XL built in Feb 2021 and the spring cups on the striker assembly are now 1pc instead of 2. Do you know anything about why they made that change?
That's interesting Greg! I wonder how they were able to assemble it?
@@proteqcustomgear it has a split in it
Hats off to to you sir for not allowing pre-test bias to skew your methods!
Thank you Sir!
Its funny you uploaded this so recently because I had just started watching your series on the p365 yesterday
so the real threat is some demon absconding with our pistol in the middle of the night , taking an angle grinder to the striker and stealthily replacing the amputated firearm in our drawer before daybreak.😮
So, did the striker safety plunger not do its job when you manually pulled back and released the stricker?
Not sure if my request is appropriate but you appeared to have a significant background in firearms and also appear to have handled the SIG P365 more than most reviewers. I picked up a new P365X (date of mfg 05/27/21) looks okay but if I rapidly shake the gun up and down I hear and feel a slight slapping between the top of the frame grip module and bottom of the slide assembly. I know the parts have an acceptable tolerance to allow the slide action but, should you hear and feel a small slapping or tapping together when I vigorously shake the gun up and down between these two parts? I have a 20y+ old H&K USP Compact 40 Variant 7 LEM that’s my point of reference and it’s different. Thank you.
Yes, that will happen especially if there is no upward pressure from a loaded magazine pushing the slide up against the rails on the chassis.
@@proteqcustomgear Thank you for the courtesy of a reply
Thanks for this Stephen. The thing I keep asking myself is since the striker is captured in a narrow channel in the slide, even if it broke inside the gun (where you cut it off) wouldn’t it still be stuck in the same position and thereby still serve its purpose? Seems like it has nowhere to go.
You're welcome Patriot! I believe it would still fire. I demonstrated that later in this video.
Thoughts on an after market primer made of titanium for the p365?
Way more technical explanation than is required but I eat it all up knowing your expertise and carry with confidence.
I respect your opinion but you were making an awful lot of excuses for Sig and striker fired guns in this video.
If this video is proof of anything it's that the P365 is not safe to carry. Powerball is 1 in 300 million odds, yet people win it all the time. If you want to play the odds that's fine but this video proves if the odds aren't in your favor you'll be in a lot of trouble.
You can make that argument about most things in life including driving and flying but people still drive/fly!
@@Dimabuildingadventures I get where you are coming from, but there is a readily available safer alternative to striker fired guns so I don’t think it’s a good comparison.
Nice cross! Are you saved? And that’s my next gun!! Thanks
Thank you Sir! Yes, I love Jesus Christ with every fiber of my life!
I didn’t think of your voice like dale gribble until you mentioned it. Now I can’t I unhear it haha
I do appreciate the fact that you went through this experiment and demystified the striker myth. The truth is that this test was performed on a single gun. Having heard of too many issues about the P365 even watching this, does not give me confidence that my gun won't have the issue, my gun is not the one in the video. I put my money and business on a Glock 43x for that reason. There are now issues with the Sig P320, its not Sig's best period to buy from them, perhaps in the future.
goddamn as a 34, almost 35 yo i may look younger but i sure as shit haven't accomplished nearly as much as yourself
Excellent Video. Very interesting and informative. Thanks for your time and your patience. You are a Engineer with knowledge and experience. Very professional. I know you are talking with evidence That the best thing! I'm carry p365Xl every single day no issues. I love Sig Guns. Thank you so much.
Would you say the Springfield Hellcat could in theory be a bit safer, as it has a firing pin plunger similar to a glock?
I would say so. The p365 makes the lug both it's method of retraction to cock the striker AND the surface that the plunger safety interfaces with. As demonstrated in the video, should the lug ever shear off (God forbid), that chambered round would likely go off because there is no redundant safety. However in a Glock or a Hellcat, even if the lug were to shear off and the striker was to move forward because of it, because the safety plunger is in front of the striker, it would still catch it. So the Glock/Hellcat design is inherently safer because it would require two points of failure (both the striker lug AND the plunger safety spring) instead of one. As unlikely as that failure may be, Sig has made an inherently less safe design by putting all of their eggs into one basket.
@@douglasmcnay644 Thank you for the reply. I actually now have a Hellcat on order to join my Sig. I suspect it will see carry duty far more because of what you've mentioned. I still love my little P365 though.
I know multiple people besides myself who have had 0 issues with their OG 365's. This doesn't diminish the fact that there were issues, but people act as if you were gaurenteed to have an issue if you had an early model (mine was after the striker fixes so 1 year after release). The P365 remains the most compelling small offering on the market for me, and the only other option I'm keeping my eyes on is the one from HK (would take years for the aftermarket to catch up).
My prayers and condolences to Stephen Brannan’s family. May his memory live on and may his soul be in heaven with our lord Christ Jesus.
Oh no, he passed away!? How terrible. Indeed, prayers and condolences to his family.
I carry a P365XL and have never even heard of this issue on the P365. I keep seeing people posting about "is the P320 safe? I just bought one and want to know if..." and I always face palm before I reply.
Have watched this 2 times already as well as your earlier videos. So, safe to say you would have absolutely no issue whatsoever carrying the p365 AIWB with a round chambered (condition 0)?
Great question, Zev! Yes, I would have no issue as long as it was carried in either The Cup, or The Kitchen Sink made by a little holster shop called ProTEQ Custom Gear.
@@proteqcustomgear appreciate the response, I’ll definitely take a look a those. Thanks again for the reply and the education you bring in your videos
Thabks for taking the time and effort to run these tests. I am now convinced that I will not be purchasing the P365. The chances of the striker lug breaking is low; however I am not taking a chance with my testes. Sticking with a proven striker system which is not completely cocked (no pun intended) back and has a firing pin safety completely blocking the firing pin in case of an emergency (ie Glock, Springfield, CZ)
Get ready to be disappointed then because striker fired guns are moving in that direction. The new shield plus has this design, the new Glock performance trigger has this etc.
@@pillcosby3949 I am aware. The Shield as well as M&P strikers have always had that design but S&W and Glock both have striker plungers that physically block the front of the striker providing a secong barrier point or safety. Sig decided to to go with just one point. Now if both of those companies would get rid or disable that plunger then it would be a different story.. a very stupid story.
Thank you for such a thorough test. This is much better than a short term "gauntlet" test. MIM is new to me, but now I have much more confidence in my 365. I did see a Springfield Hellcat with a broken striker. It was the foot or sear contact that broke off on the Hellcat striker. Thanks again.
You're welcome!
Great vid! Seeing how you cranking on that sear didn't bust it, that was definitely reassuring! Considering all of us who are carrying this pistol aiwb are flagging our nether regions all day, yeh that was a concern, the what if....mine's got the manual safety, but that would do nothing with the sear broken off. In regards to that little spring, I think that may be the "return" spring which Sig eventually omitted for the P365. That's why the striker kind of rattles in there when you pull the trigger while the pistol is not cocked, and then tip the barrel up or down. I think that's also why the thumb safety will or won't engage, depending on barrel position when last pulling the trigger in the uncocked pistol. In any case, awesome testing bud, thanks much!
Hope to at some point soon get the time to watch the whole video. However, for now, could you (or anyone) please give me a summary conclusion in text form?? Thank you.
You're welcome --! Basically, there is a snowballs chance in a very dark place that this striker is going to catastrophically break.
So now, apparently the strikers don’t have a reset spring included. Will that change any results from this test?
From what we've tested if it fires with the spring then it will fire without it. Maybe that spring is to help reduce the movement/noise produced when the striker is in it's "fired" position.
I really appreciate your experiment. I have a 2nd generation XL, with a Romeo zero. My main carry gun is my sheild 2.0 but was gifted my XL. I carry it from time to time but have always had the smallest feeling of mistrust about it, probably just psychological. Does the sheild have the same striker set up?
Thank you! I believe The Shield has a similar set up, but I seem to remember a few differences.
I’ve always had the same feeling: just a nagging “what if” and this video has provided enough proof that I will be retiring my 365 (I’m an appendix carrier) The shield uses are more traditional plunger striker safety that blocks from the “front” (the striker runs into the plunger) and is much more safe (in my opinion) than the p365 striker safety.
How do you know what gen XL you have?
Thank you so much for the series of videos with P365. Your videos helped me finally decide to buy a SIG P365 XL. It's a shame that I can't buy the corresponding IWB holster from you, because the postage to the Czech Republic with tax would cost more than the holster itself. (But maybe I will personally go to the USA for him sometime.) Thanks for your videos!
I'm surprised anyone understood your post. You actually "BUY" instead of the phony, poser sounding "PURCHASE" that's so stylish these days!🤡
Had to come back to you on this given your knowledge of various platforms.
How similar are the FCUs on the P320 vs the P365? How different? Enough to consider them totally separate platforms to the point that whatever is going on with the P320 just does not in anyway translate to the P365?
There is a video out now with the P320 CLEARLY going off while in a secured holster. Is this something to be concerned about with the P365?
Maybe worth a video? 😅 thank I’m advance for any thoughts you may have.
Made the video early yesterday morning, and it is about to be released.
@@proteqcustomgear awesome looking forward to it!
@@zevfima1027 it's up! 👍
Aren't alot of striker fired guns, with the exception of the Glock, set up fairly similar to this too?
Some are, some aren't. Several other pistols have the firing pin operate on the front of the striker, rather than create a single point of failure. And several pistols have partially-tensioned strikers in addition to glock, including some Rugers (SR9C) , CZ's (P10C), FNs, the Walther pps m2.
Great question Phil! Typically the striker block (a.k.a. firing pin safety) interacts with a part of the striker body that is in front of the part that includes the sear.
I feel much more comfortable with my p365 x macro, a lot of Glock guys telling me it's not safe. It is, and it's reliable, slim fit and great ccw, even better with the comp on the x macro... Happy i got one. Thanks again
Well, I'm far more confident of the durability of that little sear piece. I do question the effectiveness of that "spring safety" now though, even though it was only indenting the primer 0.01" as you've shown that's enough to set it off. And the "well 0.01 won't reliably set it off" isn't a valid argument for a safety. So in my eyes, it may as well not even be considered a redundant safety. Now the real argument is whether or not you believe the primary striker safety is durable enough to not matter.
Great comment, Superhero! In hindsight, that spring is more of a striker return spring, I believe to help remove the tip of the striker from the primer after making its indent.
You should be marketing your super sensitive primer technology. A good cross breeze or sneeze could set off those rounds.
Haha! Agreed! Those look like excessively light primer strikes. It would be interesting to see if it would still ignite them if it were a complete cartridge. Less than 1/3 of the normal indent and it still went off?? We could do a live fire test on the range, but I think the main point of the video is to note the strength of the striker.
@@proteqcustomgear Good point. Maybe the increase in pressure from a sealed case would prevent them from igniting.
I’d just like to say, that I love my Sig P365 XL in grey with the black slide, and my Sig Sauer M400 enhanced AR-15. 2 of the best firearms one could own !!!
Even when an experiment fails you still learn.
Agreed.
Sig should pay you for this and I believe your proof. I will never trust a Sig again. With that said I am looking to order a couple of holsters from your website. Thanks again.
“I don’t know what to do with my hands that’s why I smoke” baaaaahahahaha honestly thanks for the video dale… you have managed to combine my two favorite things king of the hill and firearms. Plus I really enjoyed watching you destroy myths on the 365 it is refreshing to see an engineer dissect these concerns instead of a male model in a flannel…subscribed!!!
Haha! Thanks John! Welcome aboard!
Very interesting. I'm not a engineer. I do have over 30 years of reloading experience. High primers usually require a 2nd strike to seat the primer, then it ignites with a second strike. Primers do back out with just the primer in the empty case. With a loaded cartridge the primer backs out, then reseats with pressure. You would need to do a live ammo test to get accurate results. I believe the pistol would fire with a broken pin, but I think it highly unlikely the pin will break.
That's a great point Monte! With this particular test however it is a bit unsafe to use live ammo. I don't trust my "punch holding" abilities enough for that. 😅
Yep, next video should be an assembled firearm with a broken firing pin. Safe test conditions.
Where are the dates of improvements & refinements ?
The old one is the first release, and the new one is dated in late 2019.
WAS THAT A PIN PRIOR TO 2018?
Thank you very much Stephen. I love my P365X Macro but have had a mental hangup about the strength of the striker. Dumb....I know. But your attempts to break it have given me the confidence to carry one in the chamber now while AIWB. Could not ask for more.
You're welcome Donald! Stay Safe, Sir!
Check out The Cup and The Kitchen Sink on our website if you're interested in our AIWB Offerings. They are very comfortable!
Sig 320 goes off just by sitting. Where were the Sig engineers there? Anything man made can fail.. anything.
The only car that I have ever owned that literally left me stranded on the road was a Toyota Corolla. I literally had to spend two days in a motel waiting for rains to pass because moisture was getting inside the distributor.
Wow!
Taht’s one in a million brother
Absolutely cannot beat a Toyota. A little moisture in a distributor cap was so common in the old days with any make. Maybe why today DIS is so prevalent.
Cool story bro
Heh when you mentioned “Top Guns” and referred to your college as “engineering school” I was like “this guy has got to be a fellow Rose alum”
Thanks for doing this video and giving me more confidence in my P365!
This guy is great. I love his videos. Seems like he’d be the type of guy you could just kick it with after work and talk firearms
Thanks Jason! I have a fire pit out front that I sit by and do that very thing from time to time. Haha!
Shake , rattle and roll. Hey , do you know about the bendix hardness scale? Try testing the new parts versus the old German made parts!
Thank you so much! I don’t think anyone could have gained my trust in any other way.
The Ford jokes are funny. The sad thing is… Toyotas are better.
About that small spring on the striker, it retracts back the striker after the firing pin hits the primer. On Glocks the firing pin stays protruded until the action recycles. On the P365 the firing pin retracts right away, if you manually push forward the striker (still in the slide) so you can see the firing pin protrude, it’ll retract as soon as you let go because of that small spring.
Thank you for this experiment, I always wondered what were the internal safeties on the p365 and couldn’t find any “good” answers.
Great point, Babaho!
The pos 365 has a single point of failure. Striker breaks, gun fires. The end.
@18:40 and @35:48 That spring is not gonna stop anything. Because if it would stop the striker, then the gun won't fire normally either.
That's there just to extract faster the striker from the primer, after ignition. They had those strikers getting stuck there and breaking. They later even changed the tip shape, to a wedge, to be easier to be pushed out from the depression.
Also, if yours didn't break in the vice with steady loading it doesn't mean that there cannot be a metallurgical failure in another part, or the repeated shocks won't age the material.
The safety block needed to be in front of the striker and that would made all this irrelevant.
Great points Freedom!
This was my thought as well with the safety block. But I think the block also engages the pin inside the channel as well and not just the lug. Going to take a look at that soon. If thats the case, then the only way the pin would be able to contact the primer would be to somehow break in the middle of the pin, however, then the return spring would prevent that from happening as there would no longer be any pressure from the striker spring pushing the broken half forward.
I just took a look and in fact the firing pin block ONLY engages with the lug. I think if they could move the spring forward just 1/16th of an inch or so forward they could make a lug on the shaft of the pin itself to have a redundant point of contact for the block.
So long story short .. is my p365 safe to carry chambered all day ?
YES
Would love to see a review of the Shield Plus from you. Thanks for all the work you did on these p365 videos.
Thank you for your hard work on the vids. This one really helped build up my confidence on this firearm. Have a blessed day^
PRIOR TO 2018, THE P365 HAD FIRING PIN ISSUES. THEY FRACTURED. THAT WAS REPLACED WITH A BETTER FIRING PIN.
The tip is what would break, not this Lug. Completely different issue
what effect would the manual safety have on this? would it stop the striker from moving forward if the striker were to break (which you have adequateley shown it will not)
Apparently not iv heard
If the 365 is safe to carry, so is the X macro correct? Since the whole p365 line up is modular?
Yes, we believe so.
Can’t wait for the Dale Gribble video😂
People forget there is a striker safely plunger similar to Glock plunger in p365
Great point, mr2! It is similar for sure. Different location, but same general function. Stay Safe! -Stephen @ ProTEQ