I mean, she was following the prints in the snow that were clearly from Joel and Tommy’s horses. It’s not farfetched that she could find them. I mean, how likely was it that Joel and Tess were able to find Marlene- Queen firefly who bought their guns. If you complain about one you can not dismiss the other
Joel and Tommy: *save Abby* Abby: Hey look! It's the guy that killed my dad! Even tho if he didn't save me I would have probably died, I'm still gonna kill him!
Look I get it you loved your dad and if I lost someone I love I would kill the person responsible too but you better except the same treatment from people who you have hurt Abby.
@@violet-trash Person A is driven by love for their family, Person B is driven by their sense of purpose to the world (lets assume that Person B's purpose is to save millions of live because he/she has the capability to do it). Someone attacks Person A's family, Person A retaliates to protect their family. Someone takes away (likely) the only way to save millions of lives, Person B retaliates to protect their purpose. I honestly do not see the difference, Person A's purpose is to protect one girl, Person B's purpose is to protect the world. But even to say that there's no difference is one hell of a stretch. Surely we can agree that Joel acted selfishly at the end of TLOU 1, hell Ellie may have not known that she'd die, but the fact that she didn't question whether she'd die speaks volume of her commitment. At the time, Ellie's drive was to save millions of lives. Joel robbed that, died for it, and ruined Ellie, made her as selfish as himself. People make the argument of why Abby gets to walk away alive, Ellie killed a lot of people too, and mostly for the wrong reasons, why does she get to be happy with a child and a girlfriend and I'm over here wanking myself everyday. Getting emotional, but here's a quote that's totally not familiar and known by everyone "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain". TLOU ended with Joel looking like the hero and he made Ellie believe that she was a hero too, there was injustice that day and it irks me. To those who say Abby shouldn't have killed Joel immediately, I dare you to say that if someone kills your entire family, that you wouldn't be overwhelmed with emotions and make some stupid decisions. At least Abby recognized that Ellie and Tommy was not part of her revenge and only killed Joel in her road to revenge, but Tommy and Ellie combined killed several people who probably was not part of the "Killing of Joel". In my opinion, Ellie is the villain here, and Joel was the villain in TLOU 1. Yeah I have the balls to say that, bite me. But I'll admit to one thing, the series was full of things that can make people not buy into the story, they could have done a better job at justifying things. (In my opinion they did, just that it was not very clear.)
People say that TLOU 1 did well, however, I beg to differ, people did not recognise Joel as the villain at the end, and that was why TLOU 2 failed. Not at telling a story tho, mostly at justifying the story, the directors of TLOU 2 should have seen that people were not going to be ready for TLOU 2 and focused more on justifying things better.
@@violet-trash no he died because he did what he thought was right the problem was he was willing to sacrafice anything to do it even if it meant killing children
Jeongmin Kim at least Micah is a better written villain unlike Abby... Seriously tho... are they trying to make Abby a hero,a villain or a anti hero? Because I don’t see any of that qualities.
@builderman b Abby probably told him "behind-the-scene",must have been a while between the initial cutscene and ellie showing up The latter part is shocking though,he died thinking that Ellie and Tommy are next
Do you really expect her to go easy on a guy who killed her father? and besides she wasn't there when Joel killed her father, so she could of assumed Joel doing something more cruel than what she did to him.
@@jonasandriekus7647 Um...you mean who tried to create a cure? Just ridiculous the lack of logical arguments taking place about this game just so people can hate on a new character because she's female, jacked, and killed a prominent character. As if prominent characters can't, and shouldn't, be killed off in ways that directly relate to the choices they have made. You must be one of those people who never wanted anyone on the Walking Dead to die.
Neil Druckmann single handedly destroys the narrative of a once great game by forcing players to control a unlikable sociopath who murders the beloved protagonist of the first game. Druckmann: WHY DON’T PEOPLE LIKE ME!??
Okay but this wouldve been at least passable if Abby at least hesitated, but no, the man who went out of his way to help her is brutally tortured, and murdered by for shock value. Also i love how on Ellie's revenge spree she brutally kills everyone and knowingly loses everything just to spare the one her rage was focused on. Would have been much better if she killed Abby and then realized how hollow it felt after it was all over.
Yeah pretty ironic in ending the cycle of revenge you go ahead and kill hundreds of others in the pursuit of one person like that isn’t planting seeds for another revenge story.
@@hashemxd2631 I'ma explain. Joel didn't trust people in the first game because he saw 20+ years of how the world worked after the outbreak and also being a hunter at one point, so he knew the guy wasn't hurt and it was only a trap for him and Ellie (I get a sense you didn't play the first game). The fact that Joel trusted Abby without even knowing her background, he let his guard down and completely ditched his own rule about trusting people
The way she (cowardly) murdered Joel after he saved her makes it impossible to like her, even if you have to play as her half of the game. I think that is probably one of the games points. The theme of this game is "hate" anyway.
They really try hard to make you empathise with her through her story arc, but that didn't change anything for me. There are some impressive moments in both sides of the game, but I just didn't care for her character at all, which is something the first game did so well.
@@omegbeef I guess it's because Manny never really knew Joel as a person. Manny isn't shown to be a bad guy, he's just going along with it because Joel's the guy who killed his friend's father.
But the point of the 10 hours you play as Abby is to sympathise her when that's impossible when she just tortured your favourite character in front of your eyes and appears to be a psychopath as she does it without second thoughts
Thomas phil the fact that they devised a plan just to go and kill a man because one of them is pissed about the death of a love one is just outraged. Abby could have just gone by herself but ended up dragging a whole group with her to just left them last second and ironically get saved by the man she wanted to kill. I get that she hates Joel but after the span of 4 years of her life and yet she doesn’t even know anything about Joel nor what he does/gone through. The fact that she considered that Joel is just another bad guy based on the death of her father without asking Joel why he did it(at least) baffles me.
@@khangvinh4656 it wasn't one of them, it was the entire group who was in on it, with the exception being Owen. Every single person there went all the way to Jackson just so they could torture and kill Joel for what he did in Salt Lake, which they're most likely angered at him for killing their friends and family as well. Does it suck? Yes, because I love Joel, but I'm not gonna ignore the fact he did kill a lot of people, and the that his actions did have consequences, like how them leaving Ellie and Tommy alive got most of them killed in response.
I can understand if they wanted to have Abby seek revenge for her father's death, but for it to happen the way it did here, and so soon after Joel literally saved her life, just makes it feel too forced. It really makes Abby seem like a complete monster. If she at least showed some hesitation before killing him or acknowledged that the man still saved her life just moments before, it would at least be a little easier to digest. It's almost unrealistic how cold Abby and her crew comes off after this.
Rippin Bags I also would like to point out that for the past 4 years of her life, she's been in a constant rage looking for Joel to get back at him for killing her father. Yeah, Joel definitely was misused in the second game, but it's not like Abby is a bad character
You expect Abby to control her emotions enough to not wanna kill the man who stole her father away from her (which she does, she at the very least recognised that Ellie and Tommy was not part of her revenge) and yet you don't expect to Ellie to control her emotion and ask why Abby killed Joel. Picking favourites are we?
Abby's revenge story was poorly executed, mostly nobody liked her dead friends cause their were all scumbags. I mean Manny spat on Joel's corpse, Owen and Mel tried to attack Ellie when she was just looking for Abby and Abby's dad pointed a knife at Joel in the first game. Not to mention that Joel saved Abby's life in the beggining of the game, of course nobody would relate to Abby this way. 10/10 IGN GOTY Masterpiece
Is no one gonna appreciate how joel acted like as if though he was still controlled by the player? He looks around for loot He keeps finding solutions to get themselves out of sticky situations He’s more useful in combat than most npcs
@@leonpaelinck and backing himself into a corner? Leaving Tommy alone in the other room? There wasn't really anywhere he could've gone where people wouldn't have called it out of character. I'd assume the director chose the middle of the room for framing, and so that no one else would be hit by the pellets.
I know Naughty dog had the best intention on including Abby, but I think we all agree that we collectively hate her. If Naughty dog goes for te Third game, I hope they just leave her story behind, we just want to see Ellie finding something to fight for now to Joel is gone.
The problem is not with Naughty Dog, it’s with Neil Druckmann. He is cancerous and openly said he always wanted to spread his toxic views and agenda in Last of us 2.
Dbomb 12 To be honest, I’m eager to see Ellie having a good ending that gives her closure in the third part. In theory Neil Drukman stated that Ellie and Joel are the heart of the game, but we will see.
TLOU1 -David “Whats your name?” -Ellie *Sarcastically says Why? “Look, I understand it's not easy to trust a couple of strangers. Whoever's hurt, you clearly care about them. I'm sure it's gonna be just fine” -David -Ellie We’ll see TLOU2 Der uhhh I’m Joel, I mean dats my name yip! Joel der, dis my brudda Tammeeee deeeer duhr. Weeeee I love you Abby, come take up all my supplies back at camp duhr dee -Joel Yea, my brudda JOEL is right, come take the fillings out of my teeth Sarah Connor. Me and JOEL will show you da way to our camp. -Tommy TLOU1 Put on your seatbelt Ellie -Joel Are we gonna help him? -Ellie He ain’t even hurt. *steps on gas -Joel “Jesus christ this game is going to suck balls, I hate life.” -fucking me *Update after finishing it completely* TLOU1 It’s called Luck, and it is gonna run out. -Joel I’d say we handled ourself pretty good back there. You especially. -David Pshh, it was luck -Ellie TLOU2 I’m impressed with us. -Dina (after dealing with life or death situations) Me too -Ellie The story did suck. -fucking me
I know it might be stupid to say, but i mean how the fuck did she happen to know it was THE Joel she was looking for and not just a Joel? Unless she was there looking for him?
@@weirduwu4046 ahh I didn't catch that. Wow. It's weird they were able to track down a guy whose face she doesn't know unless he spends his time saving people and spreading his name IM JOEL THE FIREFLY KILLER lol
He had nowhere else to go, and he had grown complacent after living in Jacksonville for 10 years. It makes perfect sense that he revealed his literal meaningless first name. It was mere coincidence that it had meaning to Abby.
God the wasted potential, instead of it being a plot about revenge it could've simply been a plot about the relationship between Abby and Joel much like Joel and Ellie in the first game, except instead of it being based on a father and daughter relationship, it could've been about forgiveness and understanding about survival in a wasteland as Abby begins to understand why Joel did what he did for someone he deeply cares about. But nah, we get this piece of shit instead lmao.
Yeah imagine how incredibly complex a love/hate relationship could develop between someone like Abby and Joel. He killed her father, but saved her. What does that tell her? It isn't personal. He did what he did for the ones he loves. He is not a bad man. This would lead to understanding, and in time forgiveness and acceptance. Now imagine all that through a game with this setting, voice actors, and graphics. We'd have an absolute masterpiece. How difficult would it be to deal with that turmoil in a world like that. It would be so interesting to watch it develop. You could have a stand off at the end as well where it isn't Ellie that chooses mercy over murder towards Abby, but Abby who chooses it towards Joel.
I agree, I was hoping at the end that Ellie and Abby would have come to some kind of forgiveness for doing what they did. I would even say that Ellie's execution of Abby's friends would balance for what she did to Ellie and her friends. But the ending just felt unsatisfied. Maybe in their own heads Ellie let her go for that reason but it isn't explained well.
@KitchensAreHot notice how she looks at Joel like "what? I finally found him?" as soon as Tommy reveals his name and then he asks if she's ok and she's still distracted by her thoughts than she snaps back to reality and answers his question
@Miguel Angel Claros Jordan nah it’s the writers fault for writing Joel like that when he clearly he survived 20 years in the zombie apocalypses pretty stupid to me and million others
@Miguel Angel Claros Jordan joel should’ve changed his identity to ‘mark’ or ‘joe’ or something that fitted his appearance, but it was obviously too late.
This story makes me sick :/ I get the point they were trying to go for and the game is no doubt a technical wonder but it still just pains me to see how it went down. It will be interesting to see the metacritic score in the next week or so.
Man it could’ve been amazing, it could’ve had Abby, Joel, and Ellie go after a big threat with Abby having a conflicted mindset throughout the trip ending with Joel making a sacrifice saving Abby or Ellie and Abby either having her revenge or helping Joel with Joel allowing it or helping her in return but Na we got this big pile of shite
Joel not only saved Abby from dying, he also saved her from being scratched, chewed, clawed up and eaten alive. Imagine having all that maliciousness in your heart to even torture that guy.
@Shree Kaushik and what did she expect a medal a trophy, for not killing him? No of course not you tortured until death and make him watch that's something a villain would do
@DOOM! He didn’t murder her dad for no reason. He saved someone he cared for when there wasn’t a guarantee the surgery would even be successful. Lots of time went by after in which Abby should have moved on by then. To have that much hate towards Joel under those circumstances makes Abby so messed up.
Yea,i rewacth this scene and he's did't just say their name in mansion in here too....so we can clearly its Tommy fault,however in mansion they faking their name,but abby heard it here there's no way out they're still fuck up.
Neuro But they had the advantage on Abby then. They thought she was alone. It was two on one. They were a couple of strangers, and didn't want to make Abby (who was a loner as far as they knew) feel like she was in even more danger. So he had a moment of honesty with her, PLUS asking for HER name as well. If he had lied, it would cause mistrust and complications with her impressions towards them, especially in a tense situation like this. Sincerity often prevails over mistrust in warm, welcoming Jackson. The tables simply turned on them when it was too late.
Isaiah Young He killed her father 4 years earlier and saved her seconds away from getting bit, yet she showed absolutely no hesitation or regret for torturing Joel. And we’re supposed to sympathize with her lmfao
Isaiah Young He killed her father 4 years earlier and saved her seconds away from getting bit, yet she showed absolutely no hesitation or regret for torturing Joel. And we’re supposed to sympathize with her lmfao
@@windighost I never said your suppose to show sympathy for her lol but I don't hate Abby she was pretty justifiable in my opinion and as I said before Joel saving someone's life doesn't automatically erase all the things he did to people
Hey I was waiting to kill you for 4 years but hey you just saved me, let's be friends. Not how the world works. Like Abby can do what she wants, some people will always hate her, the same Joel can do what he wants, she wants revenge. Seems some people are not that different from Abby
M.M meant by Joel saving Abby as a coincidence and then walking to her house with armed strangers, telling them their names and location considering in the first game he was cautious of strangers. They shit on his character. Joel died because he acted like a dumbfuck and he saved her life! It didnt match his character and the Execution was poor.
He didn't distrust her, he wanted to stay away from her because of Sarah. Plus Joel living 20 years just day to day to survive is a little different from Joel after 4 years of Jackson. And it was Tommy saying the names not Joel
Can somebody tell me how Abby even knows/recognizes Joel?? Like does she know everything about her fathers death or something and has been looking or Joel ??
That’s a good point. How does someone, especially in a world like TLOU know what someone looks like years later and their full name. Especially when there were no witnesses
All she knows is the name "Joel". That's right, she hunts down and kills anyone with the first name Joel and just happened to luck her way into finding him LOL.
LegendaryPredalien12 wait do u mean the doctor? I didn't kill him one time but the first time i played i uh might have um t bagged him and the other surgeons...
6:15 This moment right here is why the “Joel wouldn’t give out his name to a group of strangers” criticism is, and has always been, incredibly poor. Abby and Tommy exchange names here under perfectly acceptable circumstances. THEN Abby reveals that she’s with a group of people. If Joel and Tommy suddenly decided to give different names whilst with her crew, Abby would have just called them out. It’s amazing how this detail, which isn’t hard to miss at all, is consistently missed by people who make this criticism.
In the first TLOU it was all about survival, revenge doesn't matter. If one of your loved one gets killed, then this is it. That's how world works now. BUT in TLOU 2, well...
@@razaqadeanova3255 What a stupid comments. The surgeons aren't survivors or criminals: it was different than average survivors to got them killed. Abby had not got revenge for her father but for how that destroyed her life, exactly the same as Ellie later. This is the best representation about revenge, not simply rage or hate, it is a foundational trauma and a fucking dilemma. But you... "Jil wis dith with a gilf clib criippi writing" jajajaja so pathetic.
@@diegonieves3157 The point is that the doctor were irrelevant as a character in the first game and then they suddenly decided to somehow make him a crucial part to the plot. That doesn't sit right with me
@@diegonieves3157 yeah but one of my problems with this games is that the characters don't behave like they used to specially ellie and joel interactions in this game and believe i played the hole thing and the gameplay still as the same in the first game a the enemies in the game are not thread and in the first game is about saving the MOTHERFUCKING WORLD and in this one is just ellie behaving super out of characters and abby's crew is super unlikeable and in some point in the game they try to make you feel "bad" because oh no she's pregnant and abby just dissappear in the final battle with her is stupid.
it's about how someone's life is ruined because of the apocalypse and how they come to terms with the senseless chaos. last of us is not thematically about surviving in the zombie apocalypse, dumbass.
I mean ... I understand Abby because if it was my dad I would also have revenge on someone who killed him but I don't know how to explain it ... we just got attached to Joel and Ellie all the more and why she didn't take revenge on Abby? This is crazy .. I don't know what to think. Im so sad....
Her taking revenge on Joel is understandable, the biggest qualm I have about this scene is the fact she doesn't even explain who she is/give exposition. Joel dies without knowing who the hell killed him loool
I guess the point of the game is that shit happens. We can't expect Joel and Ellie be inmortal just because they are the protagonist. They went for a more realistic story wich has more out of the blue moments. Just like real life i guess. It's fucking sad Joel died like this and i was fucking mad that the game is making us play as Abby, the murderer of our beloved Joel. But in the end, they are all humans. Ellie, Joel, Abby and everyone else in this game. They do what they do because of the whacky shit that they experience. Unexpected shit can happen in this apocalyptic world. In the end Joel's actions led him into his demise. I like the ending. Revenge cycle and such, that is the whole point of the game. Ellie's decision at the end; letting Abby go is the end of her arc as a woman who lusted for revenge. She has learned to let go and end the cycle. I know people are going to trash this game just because of Joel's death. They need to let go. This stuff happens in real life too and you need to let go.
It wasn’t just her dad, it was her community. Joel’s rescue of Ellie cost the lives of many, for a selfish reason that makes sense in his eyes but not anyone else in the story. His and Ellie’s story definitely diverged after that, lies separating them more and more. A happy follow up would be a disservice to the ambiguous ending. Ellie didn’t kill Abby because she realized, maybe too late, the cost of violence for revenge. It was the same lesson taught in the show Fullmetal Alchemist. Joel did horrible things but he was not a villain. Abby did horrible things, but was not a villain. Ellie followed suite, but realized in the end that the outcome didn’t have to be the same. Mercy does not mean forgiveness, it does not mean forgetting. It’s just... moving on. Ending the cycle. Starting something new.
It would’ve been interesting if she traveled with Joel and Tommy the whole game all while contemplating wether she should kill him or not learning the nuance of Joel’s decision to kill the fireflies in the first game where she learns that revenge would be a never ending cycle and her killing Joel would just result in someone coming after her, Ellie’s side of the story would have her traveling to try and find Joel.
Ellie and Tommy never killed Abby's dad. That's why Owen spared them. So we can thank Owen for convincing the group not to kill our beloved Ellie and Tommy. He was better than Abby in my opinion coz all she wants is revenge
Abby: "People who saved my life are important to me." Also Abby: **Kills Joel even though he saved her life from an infected** Joel: Am I a joke to you?
@John Wayne alright but let’s consider the context. I’m gonna assume Abby knows why Joel killed her father. It was to save his surrogate daughter. He didn’t just blatantly murder him. Abby’s dad was going to cut open a 14 year old girl and Joel saved her from that, and Abby knows this.
@John Wayne that doctor was willing to cut open his surrogate daughter. At this point in the game we know that Joel takes no risks, so he killed the person that was gonna kill someone he cared about, like he killed Marlene, because he know he couldn’t take any risks. Abby killed Joel for revenge. Not the same reason that Joel killed the father. Abby wasn’t protecting anyone. Joel was.
@John Wayne I do see your point. I just personally think that the doctor got what was coming to him. I mean yh Ellie dying would have maybe given a cure, but with what the current world is in the last of us universe, it’s really not deserving of one. Even if it was, think about it. How would the fireflies broadcast there’s a cure, and would they even use it for good. They’ve been shown to be incompetent and some would argue that they’re terrorists. I feel Joel’s actions was completely justified. They were gonna kill a 14 yr old for a possible cure, for a world that is undeserving of one. It was immoral what he did sure but it was at the very least understandable. I don’t see Abby’s actions as justice, because I feel she knows why Joel did what he did. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just how I think.
You know, when Joel is first introduced to Abby, the faces she makes seem like she's processing what just happened. She's spent four years obsessing over killing the guy who murdered her father, building herself up to what a monster he would be. But then he saves her life and learns who he is, and then she has a short while to watch him and learn about him and his brother, and she learns that he's not a monster, but just a man who did the decent thing by saving her, and by offering her shelter at their town. He's not so evil after all. And the faces she makes show that she's processing this. But still, even after all that, the first chance she gets, she murders him for revenge, instead of at least talk to him about it first. That's where the writing gets sloppy. She knows she's killing someone who doesn't necessarily deserve it, but she does it anyway.
On the money.....a better game would have been her and her gang going to Joel's city to find out more about him, who he is, and his habits....it would have developed a sort of conflict between them and she would have had to rationalize killing him the end....if she could
That in my opinion is the biggest flaw of this game. Half the game you play as Abbie yet the most prominent time you see her? She's represented as a psychopath.
don't forget Tess was also a tough woman, just not muscular. I mean, Tess is way better than Abby but people hate on her just for being a tough woman. guess who was also known as a tough woman 7 years ago?
Joels actions are kind of explained here that his love for Ellie has made him soft and after 5 years it doesn't seem they have had any problems with other groups, Joel even says at the end that Groups do come through Jackson and they trade with them, so when he finds someone in distress he has no reason to suspect anything.
"He has no reason to suspect anything" Yes he does, he's possibly the most wanted person in the world at the time, he murdered hundreds of people. Either way, shouldn't be giving out your name like that in a world like this. Peace doesn't happen in this world, if it does that's unrealistic. Sure one day you might let one person in but there must have been countless times where people tried to invade Tommy's place. Growing softer also doesn't mean losing basic survival instincts.
This whole "Living peacefully for 4 years" BS is just incoherent. Maria(Tommy's Wife) said that the community had been attacked by hordes of infected and strangers often at times. So theres a reason there was a patrol to look after the community. Joel saving Abby, following her at her hideout was just terrible writing
Neil Druckmann said in an interview Abby originally died at the end (if only) but they changed it to what we got, so I say that theme of forgiveness was added in last minute to try justify that ending without realizing how much it messed up the whole game.
NO, part 3 is going to consist of SOME Abby, but it will be a short scene. Abby ends up getting infected because Ellie bit her. now while ellie isnt affected herself, she still has the ability to infect other which is what well learn for a fact in part 3. ellie will encounter abby as an infected and she will kill her then. almost like the thanos death in end game, super quick but satisfying at the same time.
6:15 That moment! The one of the most important moment of the whole game! Her look was more eloquent than any words! 9:08 And the second most important moment! The way they all looked at him at once, the tension in the air, the way they all sat down at once.
@@MM-hi No. Most people knew that Joel would die, but it's the way that he died that got people mad. It also doesn't help that you have to play as his killer for half the game.
@@MM-hi it is the way his death is executed. His death makes no sense. In the first game he knew right away when people were good or bad. So how did he fall for the trap in this game?
@KitchensAreHot because either tommy will shoot her or the horde of infected will swarm her. By leading joel and tommy back to the mansion, she has a higher chance of isolating herself with joel and getting the drop on him and eventually getting away with it
*The Plot for this Game should’ve been like a Western* : Abby has to travel across Cities to Find Joel.. She wants to kill him - - But along the way she is forced into similar situations Joel went through, She becomes a Hunter, Has someone to take care of (Lev) and basically has to walk a mile in His shoes before meeting him - - And then she could Forgive him or gain a new perspective. Anything but the version we got.
This game is about character development. As horrific and “unforgivable” as Abby behaved, Abby decides to change for the better upon realizing she was wrong for killing Joel. Her new found commitment to yara and lev is her attempt at redemption and self forgiveness. In this game Abby develops and matures into a better person. In contrast Ellie descends further into the cycle of violence and merciless revenge, abandoning Dina and the baby to pursue violence. However at the last moment she has an epiphany and breaks the cycle of violence by letting Abby go. Perhaps by witnessing Abby’s willingness to sacrifice her own life for lev awoke in Ellie a spark of humanity, together with a reminder of Ellie’s own willingness to try to forgive Joel as she sees the image of him with the guitar. Perhaps she could direct that willingness toward Abby. This is the ultimate lesson of the game. The dichotomy and incompatibility of Justice vs compassion and mercy. So many of the comments are from the perspective of justice. However it’s important to notice and recognize how these deeply flawed characters grow and develop.
"You sure were tough out there, girl." "Thanks." "You know, you kinda remind me of my daughter." "Your daughter?" "Yep. Her name's Ellie. A real fighter, just like you. Though you're pretty big for a gal your age, I bet." "Well, you know, I stay active. Running, weights, a little golf..." "My little girl is about your age too... But I still love her to pieces. I someone even thought about hurting her, I'd kill a whole HOSPITAL BUILDING full of people just to make sure she was okay." "Huh, interesting..." (Pulls out shotgun) "What's your name, old man?" "Joel... er, Baker. That's my brother, Tommy." "Oh. Hello, Joel. I'm Abby." "Nice meeting ya, Abby. You should come to Jackson with us! Rest up, get some food. I bet you and Ellie'd get along real well too." "Lead the way!"
Bit too on the nose for Joel, but otherwise, that would actually serve into a pretty awesome game. Only real change I'd make is this. "If someone even thought about hurting her, I'd take 'em out. Already have before." Seems more like the dialogue he'd have. Maybe not the 'Already have before', since Jackson might've softened him up.
@Neffarious Politan your dad being killed doesn't warrant you to be obsessed over one person on a hunt for blood, to torture a person for 10 minutes in front of their loved ones and not having a second thought after they saved your life. Yeah Abby was handled terribly in this scene
@Neffarious Politan sad thing is, Joel killed his father on the headshot which is in a mercy way, even though it's kind of brutal but it was painless. While here you got Abby, bashing Joel's face in and had to suffer painful death multiple times before he totally close his eyes forever but still take pains from those hits. Abby is a fucking psychopath who enjoy torturing people and let it away.
As a man who never played any of the games and just an average story enjoyer, so pls take my opinion with a grain of salt, I don't hate the way Joel died. It was the process to get to that point that I hated. How so? Exhibit A: 6:12 Normally when you check someone, you say your name LAST. The first thing they should've done was first check if she is always, if she was bitten anywhere, politely ask her why she was in a middle of a blizzard. And even after all that, Tommy wouldn't just blurt both their names because of the fact that Abby looks well equipped. Normally, they would've thought that she couldn't have gotten that equipment alone unless: A. She got it from a group. Thus being suspicious on why she left that group B. She stole, showing she could be an untrustworthy person. C. She got it on her own. But knowing Joel and Tommy, they would think more of A and B. Therefore it might be risky to not only give their names, but also the location of Jackson. It would've been understandable if Abby was poorly equipped, that way Joel and Tommy won't expect much from her and just think she is either a lone survivor or just wandered of her group
6:17 - Lol. People complaining that Joel wouldn't give his name to a bunch of strangers. It wouldn't have mattered since Tommy already told Abby Joel's name. Not defending the game, because I still don't agree with what they did to Joel, but a nice thing I wanted to point out.
Hey remember the first game where joal left behind a family even before the outbreak got bad and then when he saw the guy injured he didn't help him because he assumed it was a trap and he was right?
I can excuse that one. In a flashback, Owen states that they learned he was living with his brother Tommy in Wyoming. Right here Tommy proceeds to introduce himself and Joel to her. If it isn't the same Tommy and Joel, then it'd be one hell of a coincidence.
I didn't even know this happened so he saved her from a hoard and that didn't even register in her head as she was clubbing him. I gave Abby a chance, but this context ruined any pity i had left for her loss of her Dad. She had way too much time to cope with his death, the killer saves your life- And in the end it was Ellie who let it go and she didn't have to. Abby is trash.
I was gonna make a big metaphor about Hitler, spies, and a random dude named Hans, but I'll settle for this. Joel saved Abby's life, yes. Abby may have saved him one golf-club swing because of that, but every other swing represents a life that he took away. Every swing is one brave Firefly doctor or soldier. Every swing is one person that couldn't be cured or vaccinated before they turned. Every swing is one heart that was crushed because a vaccine was now impossible. She settled for a couple dozen swings at Joel, knowing she could never avenge the thousands he took away from the world, including her father. And yet, she still spared Ellie and Tommy. They didn't do anything wrong to her or to the world. If she killed them, she would be "no better than he was." -Owen
@@toptart4925 Because the fireflies were the heroes. Joel transports Ellie literally across the whole country with minimal supplies nor support and all he gets is a whack to the head,ellie's confirmed death in an low-chance operation without her or his consent nor any chance to talk and is then about to be walked out of the hospital at gunpoint without any weapons,his own or the promised ones by marlene,supplies or anything into an infected zone,until he intervenes and kicks their ass,yeah they clearly were heroes
@@toptart4925 she doesn't care about the firefly doctors. Yeah it's bad, but you can clearly see that this is about her dad. She would have a second thought about torturing Joel if she wasn't a psychopath
The whole revenge arc just doesn’t work well in a post apocalyptic world. I mean any sensible person wouldn’t be focusing on putting themselves in danger just to get even. I mean let’s face it had Joel actually been in character and not given a shit about Abby she would have been as good as dead. Also wtf is Joel doing in trusting an outsider. I mean even in our pre apocalyptic world I wouldn’t go and stay with complete strangers I didn’t know. You are just asking for trouble in that situation.
How are there so many of infected around the place? I thought the Jackson crew did patrols around these areas. And somehow there are like a bazillion of them
I loved this game, but this is actually a really good criticism. A lot of places in both games are like this. Could be explained that there's just wandering groups that get unlucky, and big uncleared patches of infected form. Whole cities full of infected move south for the winter, perhaps? Maybe multiple small groups can be attracted by enough noise to form a bigger group as well. But like every other piece of zombie media, they're just there because the world requires them to be. No explanation on how they keep going for so long either. There's also no infected children either. Aside from Sam, but he was in a cutscene so he doesn't count.
I don't like Abby at all, not because she killed Joel who isn't even my favorite character. No what really seals the coffin is that Joel saved her LIFE and she still tortures him. Granted that she was a zealot when it came to the cure and she believed her father should do it. The problem was she never considered how OTHER'S mightve felt. She focused on her own ends. Joel saved her a COMPLETE stranger only for her to kill him so brutally. I love my dad, if someone killed him, I would kill them. If I spent three years looking for one dude then finally finding him after he saved my life, I'd take him out quick. And the fact she did it in front of ellie was beyond fucked up. I get that she found her killer and she was on her "I finally got the fucker" high but still I wished Owen would've known that Joel saved her and felt that deserved some kindness. Hell Abby could've at least told Joel why he died. Joel probably didn't even know who she was, that's a shitty revenge execution. You want that person to know what was coming, to know why they were being punished instead Abby just beat him to make HERSELF feel better, not to avenge her father. Idc what anyone says Abby's actions weren't for her father they were for herself, at least ellie realized (in a poorly written way) that revenge wasn't everything and that it shouldn't consume her life anymore than it already had and decided to let go. In the end, Joel would've been proud of ellie while Abby's father would be disappointed
Every zombie apocalypse game even Joel in the first game: TRUST NO ONE!! Joel and Tommy: I am Tommy, this is my brother....Joel and we live down hill....LIKE WTF!
The Dues Ex Machina here is insane - she travels all this distance and JUST HAPPENS upon the man who killed her family and friends?! Ugh....
I mean, she was following the prints in the snow that were clearly from Joel and Tommy’s horses. It’s not farfetched that she could find them. I mean, how likely was it that Joel and Tess were able to find Marlene- Queen firefly who bought their guns. If you complain about one you can not dismiss the other
@@thequickonesxd8064 marlene found them
Frank Toth she wasn’t looking for them. Tess literally says “we have to find a firefly now” and BAM Marlene shows up
TheQuickOnes Xd they didn’t find her. She was following them so they could smuggle Ellie
@@thatfilmbuff8135 no she wasn't.... she was looking for Robert
Joel and Tommy should have used Aliases
"I'm Jim Milton and this is my business partner Tacitus Kilgore"
Bro this is my favorite comment
"Nice to meet ya, I'm Arthur Callahan"
100% Joel was smarter than that the writers just wanted an excuse to have Abby in the game poor execution
Rip Vanwinkle!
@@george4111 I agree. He and tommy would never just say their real names and say exactly where they live... it doesnt make any sense
Joel and Tommy: *save Abby*
Abby: Hey look! It's the guy that killed my dad! Even tho if he didn't save me I would have probably died, I'm still gonna kill him!
Look I get it you loved your dad and if I lost someone I love I would kill the person responsible too but you better except the same treatment from people who you have hurt Abby.
Ha! Yeah right abby killed her father killer.. but ellie let's her go free for doing the same
We don't need the offered supplies from the city anyway.
She did what Ellie should have done.
"gonna torture him to death"
Joel died ONLY because he still had a heart.
Joel died because he tries to save children, Abby's father died because he tries to murder them.
@@violet-trash Person A is driven by love for their family, Person B is driven by their sense of purpose to the world (lets assume that Person B's purpose is to save millions of live because he/she has the capability to do it). Someone attacks Person A's family, Person A retaliates to protect their family. Someone takes away (likely) the only way to save millions of lives, Person B retaliates to protect their purpose.
I honestly do not see the difference, Person A's purpose is to protect one girl, Person B's purpose is to protect the world. But even to say that there's no difference is one hell of a stretch. Surely we can agree that Joel acted selfishly at the end of TLOU 1, hell Ellie may have not known that she'd die, but the fact that she didn't question whether she'd die speaks volume of her commitment. At the time, Ellie's drive was to save millions of lives. Joel robbed that, died for it, and ruined Ellie, made her as selfish as himself. People make the argument of why Abby gets to walk away alive, Ellie killed a lot of people too, and mostly for the wrong reasons, why does she get to be happy with a child and a girlfriend and I'm over here wanking myself everyday. Getting emotional, but here's a quote that's totally not familiar and known by everyone "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain". TLOU ended with Joel looking like the hero and he made Ellie believe that she was a hero too, there was injustice that day and it irks me.
To those who say Abby shouldn't have killed Joel immediately, I dare you to say that if someone kills your entire family, that you wouldn't be overwhelmed with emotions and make some stupid decisions. At least Abby recognized that Ellie and Tommy was not part of her revenge and only killed Joel in her road to revenge, but Tommy and Ellie combined killed several people who probably was not part of the "Killing of Joel". In my opinion, Ellie is the villain here, and Joel was the villain in TLOU 1. Yeah I have the balls to say that, bite me.
But I'll admit to one thing, the series was full of things that can make people not buy into the story, they could have done a better job at justifying things. (In my opinion they did, just that it was not very clear.)
People say that TLOU 1 did well, however, I beg to differ, people did not recognise Joel as the villain at the end, and that was why TLOU 2 failed. Not at telling a story tho, mostly at justifying the story, the directors of TLOU 2 should have seen that people were not going to be ready for TLOU 2 and focused more on justifying things better.
@@violet-trash no he died because he did what he thought was right the problem was he was willing to sacrafice anything to do it even if it meant killing children
Out of character for Joel though, remember when he left behind those people in the prologue
Micah Bell: I'm the most hated character in gaming history
Abby: Hold my golf club
Even Micah had a decent quality
At least Micah didn't kill John.
Jeongmin Kim at least Micah is a better written villain unlike Abby...
Seriously tho... are they trying to make Abby a hero,a villain or a anti hero? Because I don’t see any of that qualities.
Micah is so much better, at least we are not forced to play him after Arthur dead.
General Shepherd: hold my revolver
Imagine getting your faced bashed in with a golf club by the person you literally just saved a few minutes ago...
Bruuuuh I'd be livid as fuck.
@@b1gs3xy17 You'd probably be already dead
@builderman b Abby probably told him "behind-the-scene",must have been a while between the initial cutscene and ellie showing up
The latter part is shocking though,he died thinking that Ellie and Tommy are next
Biggest U turn in history
lazy writing
Lets agree bout that abby's father draw weapon first and joel killed him in 1 shot but abby litteraly beat the shit out of joel with a golf club :/
If you don't kill him he kills you in the first game.
@@GhostwalkerSparrow I have a question: Can you shoot this surgeon just in his leg? Or hand?
Do you really expect her to go easy on a guy who killed her father? and besides she wasn't there when Joel killed her father, so she could of assumed Joel doing something more cruel than what she did to him.
Thomas phil but I shot the surgeon in the foot 🥺
RPS I’m pretty sure he dies whatever you do.
*Abby tortures and murders the man that literally just risked his life to save her*
wHY DoNt PEoplE LiKE hEr!??!!
he killed her father.....
@@shapiers1 who tried to kill joel and ellie
@@jonasandriekus7647 Um...you mean who tried to create a cure? Just ridiculous the lack of logical arguments taking place about this game just so people can hate on a new character because she's female, jacked, and killed a prominent character. As if prominent characters can't, and shouldn't, be killed off in ways that directly relate to the choices they have made. You must be one of those people who never wanted anyone on the Walking Dead to die.
@@jarg8 yeah! I really wish the fireflies did make the cure. TLOU2 wouldn't have existed. I would have preferred that.
Neil Druckmann single handedly destroys the narrative of a once great game by forcing players to control a unlikable sociopath who murders the beloved protagonist of the first game.
Druckmann: WHY DON’T PEOPLE LIKE ME!??
Okay but this wouldve been at least passable if Abby at least hesitated, but no, the man who went out of his way to help her is brutally tortured, and murdered by for shock value. Also i love how on Ellie's revenge spree she brutally kills everyone and knowingly loses everything just to spare the one her rage was focused on. Would have been much better if she killed Abby and then realized how hollow it felt after it was all over.
Yeah pretty ironic in ending the cycle of revenge you go ahead and kill hundreds of others in the pursuit of one person like that isn’t planting seeds for another revenge story.
John Wicked
The ending doesn’t even feel like it will pave way for a sequel. I mean, what should we expect comes next?
@@stephenking5852 TLOU 3
Ellie gets killed by Abby stabbing her with a fork
@@karolclark791 Then abby gets killed by dina, and then more retarded shit.
Tlou 1 Joel: Don't worry he ain't even hurt *(Steps on gas)*
Tlou 2 Joel: yA GuYS aCT LiKe YoU'Ve hEArD oF Us oR SumThIN
I'm sorry I'm a retard..I dont get it
@@hashemxd2631 I'ma explain. Joel didn't trust people in the first game because he saw 20+ years of how the world worked after the outbreak and also being a hunter at one point, so he knew the guy wasn't hurt and it was only a trap for him and Ellie (I get a sense you didn't play the first game).
The fact that Joel trusted Abby without even knowing her background, he let his guard down and completely ditched his own rule about trusting people
Joel never trusted anyone in tlou but for some reason in this game he trusts some random ass people
@@dismembered_body_limbs thx for explaining....actually I played the game 4 times🤣 but forgot a lot of it cuz I'm in the middle of finals
@@earthy8886 thx
The way she (cowardly) murdered Joel after he saved her makes it impossible to like her, even if you have to play as her half of the game. I think that is probably one of the games points. The theme of this game is "hate" anyway.
They really try hard to make you empathise with her through her story arc, but that didn't change anything for me. There are some impressive moments in both sides of the game, but I just didn't care for her character at all, which is something the first game did so well.
Same with her squad
Like, I'm supposed to like the dude the spat on joels corpse and called him a bitch?
@@omegbeef I guess it's because Manny never really knew Joel as a person. Manny isn't shown to be a bad guy, he's just going along with it because Joel's the guy who killed his friend's father.
@@J_C_CH i don't care i still hate him and all his friends
But the point of the 10 hours you play as Abby is to sympathise her when that's impossible when she just tortured your favourite character in front of your eyes and appears to be a psychopath as she does it without second thoughts
Joel and tommy save her and what happens next she kills joel and knocks out tommy. Great game.
And she lives at the end
I love how she kills everyone but abby to avenge joel.
Makes alot of sense right.
@Murv her father was about to kill elly and he pointed a gun at joel ? What you want him to do ? Say oh continue, kill her i'll leave ?
I’m lost. How does Abbie recognize Joel in the first place
@@TheMojaveCourier She just attacked the first person with the name Joel
Abby should never kill Joel immediately like that right after he saved her , this is so dumb
yup
Kids nowadays are reckless
What do you expect? their plan was to kill Joel from the start, it would have been silly for them to deviate from the plan.
Thomas phil the fact that they devised a plan just to go and kill a man because one of them is pissed about the death of a love one is just outraged. Abby could have just gone by herself but ended up dragging a whole group with her to just left them last second and ironically get saved by the man she wanted to kill. I get that she hates Joel but after the span of 4 years of her life and yet she doesn’t even know anything about Joel nor what he does/gone through. The fact that she considered that Joel is just another bad guy based on the death of her father without asking Joel why he did it(at least) baffles me.
@@khangvinh4656 it wasn't one of them, it was the entire group who was in on it, with the exception being Owen. Every single person there went all the way to Jackson just so they could torture and kill Joel for what he did in Salt Lake, which they're most likely angered at him for killing their friends and family as well. Does it suck? Yes, because I love Joel, but I'm not gonna ignore the fact he did kill a lot of people, and the that his actions did have consequences, like how them leaving Ellie and Tommy alive got most of them killed in response.
I can understand if they wanted to have Abby seek revenge for her father's death, but for it to happen the way it did here, and so soon after Joel literally saved her life, just makes it feel too forced. It really makes Abby seem like a complete monster. If she at least showed some hesitation before killing him or acknowledged that the man still saved her life just moments before, it would at least be a little easier to digest. It's almost unrealistic how cold Abby and her crew comes off after this.
Rippin Bags
I also would like to point out that for the past 4 years of her life, she's been in a constant rage looking for Joel to get back at him for killing her father. Yeah, Joel definitely was misused in the second game, but it's not like Abby is a bad character
You expect Abby to control her emotions enough to not wanna kill the man who stole her father away from her (which she does, she at the very least recognised that Ellie and Tommy was not part of her revenge) and yet you don't expect to Ellie to control her emotion and ask why Abby killed Joel. Picking favourites are we?
Abby's revenge story was poorly executed, mostly nobody liked her dead friends cause their were all scumbags. I mean Manny spat on Joel's corpse, Owen and Mel tried to attack Ellie when she was just looking for Abby and Abby's dad pointed a knife at Joel in the first game. Not to mention that Joel saved Abby's life in the beggining of the game, of course nobody would relate to Abby this way. 10/10 IGN GOTY Masterpiece
Valentino no one would relate to her but it’s pretty easy to recognize why she did what she did. Still hate her though
@@gabrielduenes5515 Exactly
I love how Joels gun just conveniently dissapears from his side once they go into the basement lol he’s always armed
Is no one gonna appreciate how joel acted like as if though he was still controlled by the player?
He looks around for loot
He keeps finding solutions to get themselves out of sticky situations
He’s more useful in combat than most npcs
I noticed that Ellie does this too when you fight her as Abby. She's still excellent at hiding and always the element of surprise
he allows strangers to surround him instead of staying in the garage
I think that was more decision about the game director than the writers
They could have at least let us play as him in that segment.
@@leonpaelinck and backing himself into a corner? Leaving Tommy alone in the other room? There wasn't really anywhere he could've gone where people wouldn't have called it out of character.
I'd assume the director chose the middle of the room for framing, and so that no one else would be hit by the pellets.
Abby "as a thanks for saving me, can I treat you to a round of golf?"
I know Naughty dog had the best intention on including Abby, but I think we all agree that we collectively hate her. If Naughty dog goes for te Third game, I hope they just leave her story behind, we just want to see Ellie finding something to fight for now to Joel is gone.
Facts facts
I say just find a new cast of characters entirely. Wouldn’t mind playing as a soldier in fedra or something
The problem is not with Naughty Dog, it’s with Neil Druckmann. He is cancerous and openly said he always wanted to spread his toxic views and agenda in Last of us 2.
Dbomb 12 To be honest, I’m eager to see Ellie having a good ending that gives her closure in the third part. In theory Neil Drukman stated that Ellie and Joel are the heart of the game, but we will see.
JOEL AND ELLIE DIE in the last of us 2 didn’t hening quit before uncharted 4
TLOU1
-David
“Whats your name?”
-Ellie
*Sarcastically says
Why?
“Look, I understand it's not easy to trust a couple of strangers. Whoever's hurt, you clearly care about them. I'm sure it's gonna be just fine”
-David
-Ellie
We’ll see
TLOU2
Der uhhh I’m Joel, I mean dats my name yip! Joel der, dis my brudda Tammeeee deeeer duhr. Weeeee I love you Abby, come take up all my supplies back at camp duhr dee
-Joel
Yea, my brudda JOEL is right, come take the fillings out of my teeth Sarah Connor. Me and JOEL will show you da way to our camp.
-Tommy
TLOU1
Put on your seatbelt Ellie
-Joel
Are we gonna help him?
-Ellie
He ain’t even hurt. *steps on gas
-Joel
“Jesus christ this game is going to suck balls, I hate life.”
-fucking me
*Update after finishing it completely*
TLOU1
It’s called Luck, and it is gonna run out.
-Joel
I’d say we handled ourself pretty good back there. You especially.
-David
Pshh, it was luck
-Ellie
TLOU2
I’m impressed with us.
-Dina (after dealing with life or death situations)
Me too
-Ellie
The story did suck.
-fucking me
So true
I know it might be stupid to say, but i mean how the fuck did she happen to know it was THE Joel she was looking for and not just a Joel? Unless she was there looking for him?
Bingo Dingo as much as i hate to say it, remember that "guy" Abby and Owen were talking about. Yeah that was joel unfortunately.
@@weirduwu4046 ahh I didn't catch that. Wow. It's weird they were able to track down a guy whose face she doesn't know unless he spends his time saving people and spreading his name IM JOEL THE FIREFLY KILLER lol
He had nowhere else to go, and he had grown complacent after living in Jacksonville for 10 years. It makes perfect sense that he revealed his literal meaningless first name. It was mere coincidence that it had meaning to Abby.
God the wasted potential, instead of it being a plot about revenge it could've simply been a plot about the relationship between Abby and Joel much like Joel and Ellie in the first game, except instead of it being based on a father and daughter relationship, it could've been about forgiveness and understanding about survival in a wasteland as Abby begins to understand why Joel did what he did for someone he deeply cares about.
But nah, we get this piece of shit instead lmao.
True
Shane your wife boyfriend liked it so you should you .......
Great plot man , I really think things could’ve have been so much better.
Yeah imagine how incredibly complex a love/hate relationship could develop between someone like Abby and Joel. He killed her father, but saved her. What does that tell her? It isn't personal. He did what he did for the ones he loves. He is not a bad man.
This would lead to understanding, and in time forgiveness and acceptance.
Now imagine all that through a game with this setting, voice actors, and graphics. We'd have an absolute masterpiece. How difficult would it be to deal with that turmoil in a world like that. It would be so interesting to watch it develop. You could have a stand off at the end as well where it isn't Ellie that chooses mercy over murder towards Abby, but Abby who chooses it towards Joel.
I agree, I was hoping at the end that Ellie and Abby would have come to some kind of forgiveness for doing what they did. I would even say that Ellie's execution of Abby's friends would balance for what she did to Ellie and her friends. But the ending just felt unsatisfied. Maybe in their own heads Ellie let her go for that reason but it isn't explained well.
1:36 This was where the player should have switched to Joel's character.
Yeah that would be better
*Press Triangle to save Abby*
*Press circle to leave her*
@@thecalamity278 ⭕
@@johnlark9986 me too ,kid
Unfortunately we cant
Can’t be the only one who fw Joel’s new look bruh he looks dope asf
Fr
sadly he didn't play a big role in this game. I was proud when the old Joel kicked in and he pushed Seth to defend Ellie
This game ain't canon in my book. The story ended perfectly in the first one.
100%
Agree, i’m so disappointed
Just a fan fic bro im still waiting for the real sequel
I'm glad to see someone else with this view too. Ellie is still at the Dam hanging out with Joel.
I am ok for this game to be canon except the part where they meet Abby and they just live a long life.
“I’m Tommy, that’s Joel.” Damn it Tommy why?????
Righteous, notice how she looked at Joel soon as Tommy said that
@KitchensAreHot 6:12 watch face and reaction
This sooooo stupid
@KitchensAreHot notice how she looks at Joel like "what? I finally found him?" as soon as Tommy reveals his name and then he asks if she's ok and she's still distracted by her thoughts than she snaps back to reality and answers his question
Everyone just ignors this
Tommy: Get to the mansion!
Joel: What?
Tommy: Go, you got Abby. I can outrun 'em!
I just realised....Tommy killed Joel first.
@Miguel Angel Claros Jordan nah it’s the writers fault for writing Joel like that when he clearly he survived 20 years in the zombie apocalypses pretty stupid to me and million others
@Miguel Angel Claros Jordan joel should’ve changed his identity to ‘mark’ or ‘joe’ or something that fitted his appearance, but it was obviously too late.
If u looked closely at 6:14, she stares at joel after tommy introduced them to her. So basically he’s the one that made joel killed
This story makes me sick :/ I get the point they were trying to go for and the game is no doubt a technical wonder but it still just pains me to see how it went down. It will be interesting to see the metacritic score in the next week or so.
Fucking 10/10 because Abby is am ambiguous looking character
I spit out my Mac&cheese after seeing that clip of Abby Owen sword fighting
Transgender inclusive 10/10 - IGN
Man it could’ve been amazing, it could’ve had Abby, Joel, and Ellie go after a big threat with Abby having a conflicted mindset throughout the trip ending with Joel making a sacrifice saving Abby or Ellie and Abby either having her revenge or helping Joel with Joel allowing it or helping her in return but Na we got this big pile of shite
@@fankdaggot8961 what the hell???
Please stop
She is not trans
Joel not only saved Abby from dying, he also saved her from being scratched, chewed, clawed up and eaten alive. Imagine having all that maliciousness in your heart to even torture that guy.
poorly written character no doubt
@Shree Kaushik because if a person saved your life you wouldn't go torture them after that
@Shree Kaushik and what did she expect a medal a trophy, for not killing him?
No of course not you tortured until death and make him watch that's something a villain would do
@DOOM! In these same fucking circumstances? Without question.
@DOOM! He didn’t murder her dad for no reason. He saved someone he cared for when there wasn’t a guarantee the surgery would even be successful. Lots of time went by after in which Abby should have moved on by then. To have that much hate towards Joel under those circumstances makes Abby so messed up.
Joel: *Saves Abby’s life multiple times*
Abby: “Were just gonna kill em.”
@Jay Morales
"And I'm going to do it in front of his brother and daughter."
Joel saved her once wdym
@@mryoung6090 While they were all trapped, if Joel and Tommy would not be there, I doubt she would survive... Big arms or not...
She came there specifically to kill Joel, she didn't care if he saved her life or not
mmm i wonder if something more is at play
6:13
Basically the moment where everything went to shit.
Yea,i rewacth this scene and he's did't just say their name in mansion in here too....so we can clearly its Tommy fault,however in mansion they faking their name,but abby heard it here there's no way out they're still fuck up.
Tommy basically killed Joel
THEDUMPSPAWN doesn’t matter. Tommy should be more careful especially since he has been through the apocalypse for decades.
Neuro But they had the advantage on Abby then. They thought she was alone. It was two on one. They were a couple of strangers, and didn't want to make Abby (who was a loner as far as they knew) feel like she was in even more danger. So he had a moment of honesty with her, PLUS asking for HER name as well. If he had lied, it would cause mistrust and complications with her impressions towards them, especially in a tense situation like this. Sincerity often prevails over mistrust in warm, welcoming Jackson. The tables simply turned on them when it was too late.
Top Tart they would have no reason to follow her into the large house though. Imo that whole part goes completely against who they were before.
She’s so filled with hatred for Joel, she doesn’t even acknowledge the fact that he saved her life.
He still killed her father though and one good deed doesn't make you a saint
Isaiah Young He killed her father 4 years earlier and saved her seconds away from getting bit, yet she showed absolutely no hesitation or regret for torturing Joel.
And we’re supposed to sympathize with her lmfao
Isaiah Young He killed her father 4 years earlier and saved her seconds away from getting bit, yet she showed absolutely no hesitation or regret for torturing Joel.
And we’re supposed to sympathize with her lmfao
@@windighost I never said your suppose to show sympathy for her lol but I don't hate Abby she was pretty justifiable in my opinion and as I said before Joel saving someone's life doesn't automatically erase all the things he did to people
Hey I was waiting to kill you for 4 years but hey you just saved me, let's be friends. Not how the world works. Like Abby can do what she wants, some people will always hate her, the same Joel can do what he wants, she wants revenge. Seems some people are not that different from Abby
Tommy : im tommy , here my brother
Joel : ... Im Jeff
Joel: I'm Joe
Buff Trans: *ThAtS hIm*
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Abby: Don't kill her.. She saved my life!!
Also Abby: Kills joel after saving her life
Her doing that to Joel is what changed her
The scene of Joel meeting Abby was pointless to begin with!
How is it pointless, she was clearly looking for a man that lived in jackson and that man was Joel
M.M meant by Joel saving Abby as a coincidence and then walking to her house with armed strangers, telling them their names and location considering in the first game he was cautious of strangers. They shit on his character. Joel died because he acted like a dumbfuck and he saved her life! It didnt match his character and the Execution was poor.
Joel didn't trust ellie at beginning in part 1...... How did joel trust strangers in part 2 ????
He didn't distrust her, he wanted to stay away from her because of Sarah. Plus Joel living 20 years just day to day to survive is a little different from Joel after 4 years of Jackson. And it was Tommy saying the names not Joel
@@pulpficti dont bother, they wont listen
Can somebody tell me how Abby even knows/recognizes Joel?? Like does she know everything about her fathers death or something and has been looking or Joel ??
That’s a good point. How does someone, especially in a world like TLOU know what someone looks like years later and their full name. Especially when there were no witnesses
All she knows is the name "Joel". That's right, she hunts down and kills anyone with the first name Joel and just happened to luck her way into finding him LOL.
Cause she's the daughter of that surgeon u "kill" when u don't even need to kill him smh
@@weirduwu4046 funnily enough, he's actually an essential kill character, buuut it doesn't excuse the cancer that is The Last of Us part 2
LegendaryPredalien12 wait do u mean the doctor? I didn't kill him one time but the first time i played i uh might have um t bagged him and the other surgeons...
I miss Joel with his old man strength. Not Woman on horse pills.
Red Dead Redemption 2's ending executed better than this game .
@Murv huh? Thats not what he meant
You cant even compare this crap to rdr2
I think the first rdr with jack marston revenge mission can win this shit whole story
don't compare art(red dead redemption 2) to this trash (the last of us part 2)
I'm saying rdr2 is art while the last of us part 2 is trash
6:15
This moment right here is why the “Joel wouldn’t give out his name to a group of strangers” criticism is, and has always been, incredibly poor.
Abby and Tommy exchange names here under perfectly acceptable circumstances. THEN Abby reveals that she’s with a group of people. If Joel and Tommy suddenly decided to give different names whilst with her crew, Abby would have just called them out.
It’s amazing how this detail, which isn’t hard to miss at all, is consistently missed by people who make this criticism.
In the first TLOU it was all about survival, revenge doesn't matter. If one of your loved one gets killed, then this is it. That's how world works now. BUT in TLOU 2, well...
Think they're running out of ideas and started thinking "Hey, what about that doctor that Joel killed, let's make a character that related to him !"
@@razaqadeanova3255 What a stupid comments. The surgeons aren't survivors or criminals: it was different than average survivors to got them killed. Abby had not got revenge for her father but for how that destroyed her life, exactly the same as Ellie later. This is the best representation about revenge, not simply rage or hate, it is a foundational trauma and a fucking dilemma. But you... "Jil wis dith with a gilf clib criippi writing" jajajaja so pathetic.
@@diegonieves3157 The point is that the doctor were irrelevant as a character in the first game and then they suddenly decided to somehow make him a crucial part to the plot. That doesn't sit right with me
@@diegonieves3157 yeah but one of my problems with this games is that the characters don't behave like they used to specially ellie and joel interactions in this game and believe i played the hole thing and the gameplay still as the same in the first game a the enemies in the game are not thread and in the first game is about saving the MOTHERFUCKING WORLD and in this one is just ellie behaving super out of characters and abby's crew is super unlikeable and in some point in the game they try to make you feel "bad" because oh no she's pregnant and abby just dissappear in the final battle with her is stupid.
it's about how someone's life is ruined because of the apocalypse and how they come to terms with the senseless chaos. last of us is not thematically about surviving in the zombie apocalypse, dumbass.
I mean ... I understand Abby because if it was my dad I would also have revenge on someone who killed him but I don't know how to explain it ... we just got attached to Joel and Ellie all the more and why she didn't take revenge on Abby? This is crazy .. I don't know what to think. Im so sad....
Her taking revenge on Joel is understandable, the biggest qualm I have about this scene is the fact she doesn't even explain who she is/give exposition. Joel dies without knowing who the hell killed him loool
I guess the point of the game is that shit happens. We can't expect Joel and Ellie be inmortal just because they are the protagonist. They went for a more realistic story wich has more out of the blue moments. Just like real life i guess. It's fucking sad Joel died like this and i was fucking mad that the game is making us play as Abby, the murderer of our beloved Joel. But in the end, they are all humans. Ellie, Joel, Abby and everyone else in this game. They do what they do because of the whacky shit that they experience. Unexpected shit can happen in this apocalyptic world. In the end Joel's actions led him into his demise. I like the ending. Revenge cycle and such, that is the whole point of the game. Ellie's decision at the end; letting Abby go is the end of her arc as a woman who lusted for revenge. She has learned to let go and end the cycle. I know people are going to trash this game just because of Joel's death. They need to let go. This stuff happens in real life too and you need to let go.
@@elcomemierda2624 not gonna spend 60 bucks for a bad written story about muh "revenge"
It wasn’t just her dad, it was her community. Joel’s rescue of Ellie cost the lives of many, for a selfish reason that makes sense in his eyes but not anyone else in the story. His and Ellie’s story definitely diverged after that, lies separating them more and more. A happy follow up would be a disservice to the ambiguous ending.
Ellie didn’t kill Abby because she realized, maybe too late, the cost of violence for revenge. It was the same lesson taught in the show Fullmetal Alchemist. Joel did horrible things but he was not a villain. Abby did horrible things, but was not a villain. Ellie followed suite, but realized in the end that the outcome didn’t have to be the same. Mercy does not mean forgiveness, it does not mean forgetting. It’s just... moving on. Ending the cycle. Starting something new.
Private Joker great comment. I like the ending as well. I think this game is a bit dark for me to play at this time, but likely down the road.
And just like that Abby lost any and all love she could’ve gotten
It would’ve been interesting if she traveled with Joel and Tommy the whole game all while contemplating wether she should kill him or not learning the nuance of Joel’s decision to kill the fireflies in the first game where she learns that revenge would be a never ending cycle and her killing Joel would just result in someone coming after her, Ellie’s side of the story would have her traveling to try and find Joel.
"We let you both live and you wasted it!"
Joel:...
Ellie and Tommy never killed Abby's dad. That's why Owen spared them. So we can thank Owen for convincing the group not to kill our beloved Ellie and Tommy. He was better than Abby in my opinion coz all she wants is revenge
Abby: "People who saved my life are important to me."
Also Abby: **Kills Joel even though he saved her life from an infected**
Joel: Am I a joke to you?
Naughty Dog: Yes... yes you are
@John Wayne alright but let’s consider the context. I’m gonna assume Abby knows why Joel killed her father. It was to save his surrogate daughter. He didn’t just blatantly murder him. Abby’s dad was going to cut open a 14 year old girl and Joel saved her from that, and Abby knows this.
@John Wayne that doctor was willing to cut open his surrogate daughter. At this point in the game we know that Joel takes no risks, so he killed the person that was gonna kill someone he cared about, like he killed Marlene, because he know he couldn’t take any risks. Abby killed Joel for revenge. Not the same reason that Joel killed the father. Abby wasn’t protecting anyone. Joel was.
@John Wayne I do see your point. I just personally think that the doctor got what was coming to him. I mean yh Ellie dying would have maybe given a cure, but with what the current world is in the last of us universe, it’s really not deserving of one. Even if it was, think about it. How would the fireflies broadcast there’s a cure, and would they even use it for good. They’ve been shown to be incompetent and some would argue that they’re terrorists. I feel Joel’s actions was completely justified. They were gonna kill a 14 yr old for a possible cure, for a world that is undeserving of one. It was immoral what he did sure but it was at the very least understandable. I don’t see Abby’s actions as justice, because I feel she knows why Joel did what he did. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just how I think.
@John Wayne yh that’s true. It was over the top.
6:14 I hate Abby but I love the look of realization and anger on her face when she realizes she found her fathers murderer.
You know, when Joel is first introduced to Abby, the faces she makes seem like she's processing what just happened.
She's spent four years obsessing over killing the guy who murdered her father, building herself up to what a monster he would be. But then he saves her life and learns who he is, and then she has a short while to watch him and learn about him and his brother, and she learns that he's not a monster, but just a man who did the decent thing by saving her, and by offering her shelter at their town. He's not so evil after all. And the faces she makes show that she's processing this.
But still, even after all that, the first chance she gets, she murders him for revenge, instead of at least talk to him about it first. That's where the writing gets sloppy. She knows she's killing someone who doesn't necessarily deserve it, but she does it anyway.
On the money.....a better game would have been her and her gang going to Joel's city to find out more about him, who he is, and his habits....it would have developed a sort of conflict between them and she would have had to rationalize killing him the end....if she could
That in my opinion is the biggest flaw of this game. Half the game you play as Abbie yet the most prominent time you see her? She's represented as a psychopath.
Joel didn't have to kill the Doctor and Marlene tbh
"Look how they massacred my boy" My man Joel, the OG, and they did him dirty like that, absolute no respect given for the character. Shame.
That’s why this area is so familiar 7:00, this was the place where Tommy, Joel and Ellie hung out in that Finding Strings chapter. Man, the juxtapose.
Tommy- "That's my brother"
Joel- "Joel
*It was that this moment that he didn't knew He f up*
Joel in tlou1: never trust anyone
Joelin tlou2: you heard us or something?
it's almost like his character evolved. Like Ellie made him a human again and the ability to help and trust people.
Abby OP running like captain America, and ripping pipes out of the wall. Nah. Imma just play part 1 again
Haha woman strong 💪🏽 so dat excuse to make bad game
@@BobShady2488 Well, she's pretty hateable so calling her she hulk is the least you can do
don't forget Tess was also a tough woman, just not muscular. I mean, Tess is way better than Abby but people hate on her just for being a tough woman. guess who was also known as a tough woman 7 years ago?
R.I.P JOEL MILLER
my hero😭
Yup
Our*
At least he died listening to Ellie crying and begging for him to be spared. He knows that she forgives him🥺
Joel saving Abby is like Arthur saving Micah, it doesn’t end well for either of them
Joels actions are kind of explained here that his love for Ellie has made him soft and after 5 years it doesn't seem they have had any problems with other groups, Joel even says at the end that Groups do come through Jackson and they trade with them, so when he finds someone in distress he has no reason to suspect anything.
"He has no reason to suspect anything"
Yes he does, he's possibly the most wanted person in the world at the time, he murdered hundreds of people.
Either way, shouldn't be giving out your name like that in a world like this.
Peace doesn't happen in this world, if it does that's unrealistic. Sure one day you might let one person in but there must have been countless times where people tried to invade Tommy's place.
Growing softer also doesn't mean losing basic survival instincts.
This whole "Living peacefully for 4 years" BS is just incoherent. Maria(Tommy's Wife) said that the community had been attacked by hordes of infected and strangers often at times. So theres a reason there was a patrol to look after the community. Joel saving Abby, following her at her hideout was just terrible writing
The zombies tried to save Joel from dying (LITERALLY)
Can't believe I never thought of that lol. For the first time the infected could have done something heroic😄🔥
But if there wasn't zombies, Joel and Tommy would have no reason to join abby and his friends
When the game is about forgiveness yet ignored the fact that there was none towards Joel by Abby-
Neil Druckmann said in an interview Abby originally died at the end (if only) but they changed it to what we got, so I say that theme of forgiveness was added in last minute to try justify that ending without realizing how much it messed up the whole game.
I can see the Part 3 featuring Ellie and Abby being best friends 🤦♂️
Who’s even going to play part 3?
@@Mr.Dark.Equinnox Hah! you got me there! excellent arguement, mate, not like this Game's.
NO, part 3 is going to consist of SOME Abby, but it will be a short scene. Abby ends up getting infected because Ellie bit her. now while ellie isnt affected herself, she still has the ability to infect other which is what well learn for a fact in part 3. ellie will encounter abby as an infected and she will kill her then. almost like the thanos death in end game, super quick but satisfying at the same time.
@@retroultra1212 It won't be satisfying because Abby wouln't be conscious being infected.
There's not going to has a part 3
I like how the hoard of infected inexplicably appear from nowhere and then vanish when their plot relevance is gone. Great writing.
they got killed with fire
6:15
That moment! The one of the most important moment of the whole game! Her look was more eloquent than any words!
9:08
And the second most important moment! The way they all looked at him at once, the tension in the air, the way they all sat down at once.
I agree, the tension in that scene was masterfully excecuted
Bill was right all along “You aren’t gonna make it” and he was right how he only protected himself. If only Joel was the same person 5 years ago
Honestly this was my favorite mission.
Just seeing Joel shooting infected with his shotgun.. such a badass
Why isn't everyone fucking talking about Tommy being the one to give away their names?
The biggest mistake joel made in his life saving abby
This game could have been amazing if the Abby character didn't exist and if Joel didn't die.
Joel has to die at some point. He isn't Deadpool
so the game is automatically terrible because joel dies?
@@MM-hi No. Most people knew that Joel would die, but it's the way that he died that got people mad. It also doesn't help that you have to play as his killer for half the game.
@@MM-hi it is the way his death is executed. His death makes no sense. In the first game he knew right away when people were good or bad. So how did he fall for the trap in this game?
@@elliott915 he's also not a retard. He wouldn't fall for their trap dude and you know that.
Joel's sudden appearance here was so well done.
I remember waiting for him to show up and this just isn't where I expected him.
"Hey, I'm Tommy, this is Joel" THE ONLY MAN IN THE WORLD THAT HAS THAT NAME OH MY GOD IT MUST BE HIM.
6:14 abbys reaction when she finds out that her savior is actually the man who killed her father...
6;53 and then she had to ride with him
@KitchensAreHot no she does know
@KitchensAreHot because either tommy will shoot her or the horde of infected will swarm her. By leading joel and tommy back to the mansion, she has a higher chance of isolating herself with joel and getting the drop on him and eventually getting away with it
Joel's last words to Abby should have been "...you're welcome" in a sarcastic tone.
*The Plot for this Game should’ve been like a Western* : Abby has to travel across Cities to Find Joel.. She wants to kill him - - But along the way she is forced into similar situations Joel went through, She becomes a Hunter, Has someone to take care of (Lev) and basically has to walk a mile in His shoes before meeting him - - And then she could Forgive him or gain a new perspective. Anything but the version we got.
Yeah this version is terribly rushed
This game is about character development. As horrific and “unforgivable” as Abby behaved, Abby decides to change for the better upon realizing she was wrong for killing Joel. Her new found commitment to yara and lev is her attempt at redemption and self forgiveness. In this game Abby develops and matures into a better person. In contrast Ellie descends further into the cycle of violence and merciless revenge, abandoning Dina and the baby to pursue violence. However at the last moment she has an epiphany and breaks the cycle of violence by letting Abby go. Perhaps by witnessing Abby’s willingness to sacrifice her own life for lev awoke in Ellie a spark of humanity, together with a reminder of Ellie’s own willingness to try to forgive Joel as she sees the image of him with the guitar. Perhaps she could direct that willingness toward Abby. This is the ultimate lesson of the game. The dichotomy and incompatibility of Justice vs compassion and mercy. So many of the comments are from the perspective of justice. However it’s important to notice and recognize how these deeply flawed characters grow and develop.
"You sure were tough out there, girl."
"Thanks."
"You know, you kinda remind me of my daughter."
"Your daughter?"
"Yep. Her name's Ellie. A real fighter, just like you. Though you're pretty big for a gal your age, I bet."
"Well, you know, I stay active. Running, weights, a little golf..."
"My little girl is about your age too... But I still love her to pieces. I someone even thought about hurting her, I'd kill a whole HOSPITAL BUILDING full of people just to make sure she was okay."
"Huh, interesting..." (Pulls out shotgun) "What's your name, old man?"
"Joel... er, Baker. That's my brother, Tommy."
"Oh. Hello, Joel. I'm Abby."
"Nice meeting ya, Abby. You should come to Jackson with us! Rest up, get some food. I bet you and Ellie'd get along real well too."
"Lead the way!"
ultimate ending
Hopefully that’s what they do if and/or when they remaster it on the PS5
Bit too on the nose for Joel, but otherwise, that would actually serve into a pretty awesome game. Only real change I'd make is this.
"If someone even thought about hurting her, I'd take 'em out. Already have before."
Seems more like the dialogue he'd have. Maybe not the 'Already have before', since Jackson might've softened him up.
This comment has so many core issues but you had me dying at "a little golf"
Lmao
Abby: „Joel Miller….“
Joel: „My name is Joel Winstonson, get it right….“
Abby: „Fu-„
They save her and she repay them with one dying and the other one getting knocked out.
@Neffarious Politan your dad being killed doesn't warrant you to be obsessed over one person on a hunt for blood, to torture a person for 10 minutes in front of their loved ones and not having a second thought after they saved your life.
Yeah Abby was handled terribly in this scene
@Neffarious Politan sad thing is, Joel killed his father on the headshot which is in a mercy way, even though it's kind of brutal but it was painless. While here you got Abby, bashing Joel's face in and had to suffer painful death multiple times before he totally close his eyes forever but still take pains from those hits. Abby is a fucking psychopath who enjoy torturing people and let it away.
@@syafiqdaniel7822 no Joel originally stabbed abby’s father in the neck
As a man who never played any of the games and just an average story enjoyer, so pls take my opinion with a grain of salt, I don't hate the way Joel died. It was the process to get to that point that I hated.
How so?
Exhibit A: 6:12
Normally when you check someone, you say your name LAST. The first thing they should've done was first check if she is always, if she was bitten anywhere, politely ask her why she was in a middle of a blizzard.
And even after all that, Tommy wouldn't just blurt both their names because of the fact that Abby looks well equipped. Normally, they would've thought that she couldn't have gotten that equipment alone unless:
A. She got it from a group. Thus being suspicious on why she left that group
B. She stole, showing she could be an untrustworthy person.
C. She got it on her own.
But knowing Joel and Tommy, they would think more of A and B. Therefore it might be risky to not only give their names, but also the location of Jackson.
It would've been understandable if Abby was poorly equipped, that way Joel and Tommy won't expect much from her and just think she is either a lone survivor or just wandered of her group
6:17 - Lol. People complaining that Joel wouldn't give his name to a bunch of strangers. It wouldn't have mattered since Tommy already told Abby Joel's name. Not defending the game, because I still don't agree with what they did to Joel, but a nice thing I wanted to point out.
3:00 damn tommy got hands just like his brother
Does anyone else think that part of this map, kinda looks like "Summit" from Black Ops 1 multiplayer lol?
3:28 Shit, you're right it does look like Summit
@@lucas169 oh damn
How could "Joel" (most savage character in gaming history) go down like that what a disappointment smh -.-
Its ma"am edition
Abby is not trans
Hey remember the first game where joal left behind a family even before the outbreak got bad and then when he saw the guy injured he didn't help him because he assumed it was a trap and he was right?
Pretty stupid that she starts making faces when she finds out his name is Joel, there's nobody else in the whole state with that name?
I can excuse that one. In a flashback, Owen states that they learned he was living with his brother Tommy in Wyoming. Right here Tommy proceeds to introduce himself and Joel to her. If it isn't the same Tommy and Joel, then it'd be one hell of a coincidence.
Shes such a psycho how she just looks at the man who saved her life and thinks "I'm gonna torture him :)"
good luck trying to find anyone else at Jackson named Joel on a patrol with his brother Tommy
Why are these comments so retarded
I didn't even know this happened
so he saved her from a hoard and that didn't even register in her head as she was clubbing him.
I gave Abby a chance, but this context ruined any pity i had left for her loss of her Dad.
She had way too much time to cope with his death, the killer saves your life-
And in the end it was Ellie who let it go and she didn't have to.
Abby is trash.
yeah they really messed it up
Abby is not trash, she's worse than horse shit
I was gonna make a big metaphor about Hitler, spies, and a random dude named Hans, but I'll settle for this.
Joel saved Abby's life, yes. Abby may have saved him one golf-club swing because of that, but every other swing represents a life that he took away. Every swing is one brave Firefly doctor or soldier. Every swing is one person that couldn't be cured or vaccinated before they turned. Every swing is one heart that was crushed because a vaccine was now impossible. She settled for a couple dozen swings at Joel, knowing she could never avenge the thousands he took away from the world, including her father.
And yet, she still spared Ellie and Tommy. They didn't do anything wrong to her or to the world. If she killed them, she would be "no better than he was." -Owen
@@toptart4925 Because the fireflies were the heroes. Joel transports Ellie literally across the whole country with minimal supplies nor support and all he gets is a whack to the head,ellie's confirmed death in an low-chance operation without her or his consent nor any chance to talk and is then about to be walked out of the hospital at gunpoint without any weapons,his own or the promised ones by marlene,supplies or anything into an infected zone,until he intervenes and kicks their ass,yeah they clearly were heroes
@@toptart4925 she doesn't care about the firefly doctors. Yeah it's bad, but you can clearly see that this is about her dad.
She would have a second thought about torturing Joel if she wasn't a psychopath
This story makes me sick
Idiots like you who havn't played it but make judgements make me sick.
@@miniraise258 and u dont need to "play it" to understand the story when u have youtube.
Miniraise Ah yes the typical excuse
@@miniraise258 right because they can't have played it if they disagree with your opinion
@@miniraise258 your IQ 10 makes me sick
The fence scene is the one we saw in the trailer
The whole revenge arc just doesn’t work well in a post apocalyptic world. I mean any sensible person wouldn’t be focusing on putting themselves in danger just to get even. I mean let’s face it had Joel actually been in character and not given a shit about Abby she would have been as good as dead. Also wtf is Joel doing in trusting an outsider. I mean even in our pre apocalyptic world I wouldn’t go and stay with complete strangers I didn’t know. You are just asking for trouble in that situation.
How are there so many of infected around the place?
I thought the Jackson crew did patrols around these areas. And somehow there are like a bazillion of them
I loved this game, but this is actually a really good criticism. A lot of places in both games are like this. Could be explained that there's just wandering groups that get unlucky, and big uncleared patches of infected form. Whole cities full of infected move south for the winter, perhaps? Maybe multiple small groups can be attracted by enough noise to form a bigger group as well.
But like every other piece of zombie media, they're just there because the world requires them to be. No explanation on how they keep going for so long either. There's also no infected children either. Aside from Sam, but he was in a cutscene so he doesn't count.
Tommy mentions in a flashback with Ellie that hordes like to move through this area during WINTER
I don't like Abby at all, not because she killed Joel who isn't even my favorite character. No what really seals the coffin is that Joel saved her LIFE and she still tortures him. Granted that she was a zealot when it came to the cure and she believed her father should do it. The problem was she never considered how OTHER'S mightve felt. She focused on her own ends. Joel saved her a COMPLETE stranger only for her to kill him so brutally. I love my dad, if someone killed him, I would kill them. If I spent three years looking for one dude then finally finding him after he saved my life, I'd take him out quick. And the fact she did it in front of ellie was beyond fucked up. I get that she found her killer and she was on her "I finally got the fucker" high but still I wished Owen would've known that Joel saved her and felt that deserved some kindness. Hell Abby could've at least told Joel why he died. Joel probably didn't even know who she was, that's a shitty revenge execution. You want that person to know what was coming, to know why they were being punished instead Abby just beat him to make HERSELF feel better, not to avenge her father. Idc what anyone says Abby's actions weren't for her father they were for herself, at least ellie realized (in a poorly written way) that revenge wasn't everything and that it shouldn't consume her life anymore than it already had and decided to let go. In the end, Joel would've been proud of ellie while Abby's father would be disappointed
didn’t read all that, but id kill the person who saved me and killed my dad. abby is realistic asf and y’all just mad at the truth
@@tigrispanthera5496 If you read the comment you'd know I never said I wouldn't have killed Joel
1:43 - It's only for 4 seconds but that's the most badass Joel ever looked.
Why couldn’t this game be good?
Everything except from the story was good (music, graphics, gameplay)
Yeah but the story is so bad that is imposible for me to enjoy those aspects
Didn’t they say their names at 6:05 though? Why would she recognize them after. Was it because she wasn’t paying attention?
Tommy was helping Abby in this chapter and after a long playthrough, he was trying to kill her
His hunter side scared the shit out of me lol. It's like death coming after u
If only he didnt say his name when they introduced himself maybe Abby wouldn’t have killed him
The topic should be as-
Tlou2 Joel's saves Abby from an infected horde and in return Abby kills Joel.
You see if I were playing as Joel he’d still be alive
People say they saved Abby, which is true but if it wasn't for Abby helping them and telling them there is a secure house, they may have died anyway.
I rather Joel died to the infected to that awful way in the cabin.
As soon as Joel said his name everyone in that room flanked him 9:10
The dumbass put himself in the middle of the room
You know, joel gonna regret this in other world
He's in a better place. ND can't hurt him anymore.
I hope he got to see Sarah again.
He’s with Sarah now
TH-cam captions when Tommy quickly introduces himself and Joel's name to Abby: hey I'm Tommy let's joke
Every zombie apocalypse game even Joel in the first game: TRUST NO ONE!!
Joel and Tommy: I am Tommy, this is my brother....Joel and we live down hill....LIKE WTF!