Creating a powerful zettelkasten setup for learning using Obsidian (Full setup + download)
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Odysseas has had a meteoric rise showcasing the power of self-education to become a modern Renaissance man.
His secret weapon has been to learn and write using obsidian, which is the app he's personally crowned as the king of learning tools. But I question:
Is his advice also fit for the throne? This is because of two major criticisms i have:
First is his credibility. Is he really staying true to promoting proper self-education, or is he actually hindering it?
Second, from my 3 years of experience with using Obsidian for the same reason, I feel like his advice is outdated, oversimplified, and doesn't showcase Obsidian's true potential as a learning tool. so instead, I'll also be critiquing and improving his learning setup later in the video.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:50 - My experience with self-education
02:19 - Crticism 1 - Credibility
07:23 - Criticism 2 - An underwhelming setup
08:21 - My suggestions + free download
SETUP CRITICISMS AND SUGGESTIONS
09:23 - Folders suggestions
11:02 - Fixing templates
17:38 - Improving Log notes
20:53 - Improving Source notes
28:58 - Improving Tag notes
34:50 - Improving Index notes
43:00 - On growing notes
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Unleash the power of Obsidian for self-learning with the zettelkasten method (Full setup + download)
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Extra resources I mention in the video can be found in my zettelkasten vault or published notes
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Nice video, I like the structure. I owe some explanation for each part:
1. I should have referenced some videos, yep. I forgot where I first learned the evergreen tier system idea. I remember using Artem Kirsanov's guide as the technical backbone to mine. It's similar, which is why I thought to put a spin on the video by explaining why the app works in theory, and showing off my own alterations.
2. I should have mentioned MOCs too. I steer away from using new, unfamiliar terms in favour of something more people will have already encountered, like an index, but yeah I ought to have mentioned it.
3. I didn't compare to other zettelkastens because the video would be too long. The purpose was to show off my own process, not claim it was the best way to do it. There is no best way.
4. I call it the 'king of learning tools' because it's a catchy title, and since Obsidian is so flexible in its function, it has a fair claim. I'm sure there's loads of better apps out there, all similar in some ways. I'd be happy using Roam, Logseq, Kortex or anything else with the same basic features.
5. I'm aware my writing log is not sustainable over the long-term. It's a way for me to stay accountable in the short-term, not for long-term statistics. I plan to delete it all when it takes too long to scroll down and start fresh. Most of my temporary notes are just lists to store interesting topics to look into, so I don't worry about them getting large. My writing log was not part of the setup either -maybe I should have stressed that.
6. I wasn't aware of properties when I started this. They're good. Functionally the same for me, but still good.
7. The title in the note is repeated for visual separation of the note from the properties. It's true you don't need it.
8. I didn't say to avoid using plugins. I clarified how I only use two, and gave a warning against getting bogged down in the search for optimisation, especially early on. I expect people to explore and see what they can add, but only if and when it's not an excuse to avoid the purpose of the whole system. Use plugins, but with care.
9. In my source notes, I said I put page numbers for each idea mentioned. I only started this recently, so not all of them in the video may have had it, but that's how I can get more precise in referencing. Your method is good, but I prefer to rewrite or edit from my source notes to atomic notes. It's time consuming, but lets me improve the writing and understand it better through sheer effort.
10. The hotkey to move tags to the tag folder is fair. The strange new world plugin is also cool for the dropdown.
11. I can see how adding context to the indexes/MOCs is helpful, but I don't find this to be a problem in practice. I'm happy to just look into the note and reread it.
12. The custom view for tags and indexes is neat, but I don't see the point in my own workflow, at least for now.
13. The seedling-sprouts-trees system is not that important to me because I don't write detailed notes for the sake of writing detailed notes, but to help me understand ideas and have them eventually serve me in my writing.
If there's a baby/seedling note I never revisit, that's fine -it probably never warranted a return to it. If I do return to it, I'll be sure to expand on it and upgrade the status. Again, this is purely personal preference.
I don't like your system. It's too complicated, there's too many features and It feels like micromanaging every detail to me.
But it's yours, not mine. If it works for you, it works. That's the core of PKM, and if this setup suits someone's mind more than mine does, they should use it without a scrap of hesitation.
I hope that all makes sense. Bit of a long read, but I tried to be brief.
thank you for taking the time to watch the video and sharing your thoughts and clarifying some of the interpretations i misunderstood. i think my developer and productivity background is what compels me to the more over-engineered setup. even though the system as a whole is too complex for your liking, i hope there was a nugget or two that you might find useful for your own workflow 🫡
@@itsjohnmavrick That makes sense, and indeed there was
I gave up on Obsidian because of the complexity urged by so many on youtube. @Odysseas simplified version has me going back into it head first and loving it again; already making more progress than I did previously. We are trying to build second brains to aid our first brains.
Anything beyond that is mental masturbation.
@@SeanThomasCross glad to hear you were able to come back to find a setup that works for you :)
@@SeanThomasCross same here I’ve always tried to get into it but it was overwhelming until odysseas made that video
Wow, now we're starting to criticize each other people's folder structures and plugin usage? Why not just say: "Look, Oddysseas came up with a nice starting point for starters - good stuff! Here are some next step ideas!"
I agree with John, its like buying a PC instead of the console to then only play games. What you bought is capable of soo much more. Odyseey really missed that point.
after waking up i realized the video packaging went too far and have adjusted the thumbnail and title, you are right that i should have focused more on the message than the character.
Agreed.
I think it would be nice if both of your could do a collab video where both of you exchange your ideas & thoughts on obsidian.
I think watching a video like that would benefit alot people.
hey, just wanted to include a disclaimer and mention that my initial thumbnail and title for the video was extreme and uncalled for. i hope you can forgive my sensationalism and view the video as an extension of Odysseas's setup/video for people looking to have a more complex Obsidian zettelkasten setup.
Big respect for changing it :) I've deleted my previous comment
@@tar-yy3ub respect to you as well for calling me out :) hope you find the video valuable !
You really missed the whole point of his video, congrat👏👏!
hey, i am always open to feedback to learn from my mistakes. if you can share your thoughts I'll take them into consideration :)
Cool vid, gave me some ideas. Love your content. Thanks for uploading a longer one.
thank you, i'm glad my opinions in the video didn't take away from the exposure of new plugins to have in your vault :) fingers crossed i can have a full vault tour soon
Listen… I actually like and appreciate his content just like yours. The beauty of the learning space is that there is someone for every level. I don’t think we want to make the learning space competitive in this way. He does his thing and you do yours which I’m sure we ALL find helpful. More people will enter this space and we will welcome them.
But if his vault is suboptimal and not even using obsidian, why shouldn't he criticise them?
@02thore This could’ve been a bts email creator to creator. As I stated, I find value in O’s content just as JM. This reads as being a show off for literally no reason. He could’ve (and still can) just uploaded these tutorials as intermediate or advanced pkm in obsidian. There is a thing called BEGINNER before you become advanced. Although he may not have unlocked obsidians full capabilities yet doesn’t mean he shouldn’t make content especially if people find it helpful. It’s catty for no reason. We should not make this a thing in pkm and there are creators for every audience. Just because one may be more advanced than another is not a valid reason to publicly accuse them of being a fraud simply because they are less experienced or learn differently. Sometime people just like the creator and that’s fine too. Requiring all obsidian creators to be at the same level or even capability is unreasonable and unnecessary. My suggestion would be to remove this, cut out personal opinions about what’s wrong with another creator’s methods, skills, and content, and reupload the parts giving great information on how to take Obsidian even further.
@@ProductBae I agree when it comes to the thumbnail, but Odysseas argument is unnuanced. He talks about the toxicity of ultra perfectionism and reacts with it by not using anything. He insists that all plugins and whatever are bullshit and unnecessary, this is the problem John is arguing against.
@@ProductBae thank you for your advice. there is different audiences that need both styles of information, and i should have created this video with a stronger emphasis on the extension of his introductions. it was a mistake of me to include my previous thumbnail
@@itsjohnmavrick I appreciate this acknowledgment, John. We all make mistakes and your ability to accept fair criticism after dishing it is highly respectable. I am using your obsidian template right now and it’s amazing 😻 however I’m still working my way around and building my skills. I follow all you guys, newbs and experts alike. Keep up the good work. We all deserve grace.
When creating indexes/tags, when do you put links in the properties vs in the body of the note while explaining why they're linked? Is it okay to do both? What's the point in having the link section in properties if you're going to add links to the body and explain them there?
needlessly inflammatory thumbnail 👍
you're right, I've removed it immediately after waking up and will work on a new one that focuses on the message not the character.
hmmm I think the POV of Odysseas is to keep it simple and focus on what works for you with the current feature. Your video is helpful for someone who already has experience with using Obsidian as for me who is new it helped me a lot. And I think once im more experience with obsidian ill follow your approach like the properties etc.
fair point, technically his does work and gets the job done but i wanted to share my interpretation on what a "full" setup could look like considering obsidian's uniqueness. i hope your obsidian development is manageable and slowly grows as your needs also do :)
great video man.. & I'm sorry if this is a repetitive question but what theme are u using?
i use minimal theme with dracula option :)
I personally value both yours and Odysseas' setup as they both cover different personalities of self learning. In my opinion i don't feel its very fair to criticise his setup as others have pointed out it was built with the intent of being simplistic for those who needed it, in my position i much prefer your setup that fully utilises the flexibility of Obsidian. In short i believe its just two sides of a coin and in the end people will pick one or the other.
i agree that both setups are viable depending on the person, and am glad you are still critiquing me despite preferring my setup :) i just wanted to bring light to how his initial setup video seemed to be replicable on most writing apps which fails to show why obsidian would be preferred over any of the other apps i mentioned in the video. and so, my extension of his setup being the extension.
hope some of the plugins and points i made in the video was helpful food for thought for your own 🫡
@@itsjohnmavrick Your insight is very helpful to me as per usual haha and i'm loving the professionalism and ability to evaluate feedback, it reflects your content, approach and mindset really well :)
100% Agreed John
can you make a 2024 version of how you would set up your vault if you were to start over?
also yeah I tried to follow as best as I could but as someone who's trying to learn to take notes digitally it's overwhelming. We need more beginner friendly obsidian guides that are not 5 years old
Great watch :)
woah neat to see you here ! appreciate the kind words, im sure the zettelkasten setup is already what you're familiar with but i hope the commentary resonated :)
@@itsjohnmavrick been subbed for a while my friend, your thumbnail game also inspires envy 🤣
@@BryanJenks my previous experience with creating gaming montages takes all the credit for my photoshop skills haha 😅
Did you just install a plugin to something we've always been able to in Obsidian? Block link
yes but i find the plugin to make it more accessible with the hotkey and command as i showed in the video since otherwise from what i know you need to manually type it?
@@itsjohnmavrick Yes, you do have to manually type it. I find that beneficial because I am more intentional about what I am referencing and think about it more
@@DanteMishima so you would want to manually type the block like ^sf90xi every time you want to make a quote? i do see how it increases friction which promotes intentionality though, but i personally am able to do that thinking and can just save time doing the copy paste with the plugin
Now this is where I disagree with you. Odyssey is the only person who has a system that makes sense to me. and the simplicity of it makes you focus on the note making
im glad to hear he's shared a setup that works for your needs :)
cringe pronunciation, just talk normal dude
hey, can you please be more specific on what you mean? do you also mean the same for the actual guide of the zettelkasten vault?