This was so much fun nerding out in Obsidian. The linking, the clustering, the LIVE mapmaking! What a joy to see the process of moving a project into a linked-based environment and seeing what resulted.
Sirs @@TiagoForte and Nick Milo, petitioning to make this a whole new series please, I just love your interactions with each other! Such a joy to be a witness of a dialogue of two like-minded experts. Thank you so much!! 😁
My main barrier to moving everything into a third/ out brain ( because your microbiome is your 2nd brain), and with obsidian especially, has been adding anything from my phone. I think I added too many extensions on my obsidian app and it just won't open! I have a stack of dead ends where my knowledge gets captured because I don't have a functional one stop path from every software to drop into obsidian- mobile book marks, save to homescreen on phone, email/ Gmail multiple task lists, spreadsheets with lists of research, my otter Ai summaries. Not including all my analouge notebooks ( not quite commonplace books, more scattered ), some rocket book, so so many documents from external sources etc I can't get everything into one place!!! Help 😅
Thank you so much for the sharing, yes demonstrating thinking/linking on the fly is so satisfactory it motivates me to apply to my current projects! Definitely want to see you two talk more.
Please do more videos of live editing / live thinking !!! It's great to see the thought process instead of only the final setup - the questions and doubts are so insightful
I agree with this - definitely need more videos like this. I have found the Ideaverse vaults, etc. useful and helpful but I have not been able to figure out how to structure notes in Obsidian to "publish" or even just organize into an outline so I can create pieces of orginal writing from my notes. More examples of workflows such as this one are helpful beyond words!
One of the best videos about creating a 2nd brain with Obsidian I've watched, I've learn a lot with you guys here. The idea of creating a map of content from scratch along with the explanations step by step with an expert and a person that is learning how to do it was simply amazing
Evernote was great at one period of time, but it can't even come close to touching what Obsidian can do. The great thing about Obsidian is that it can be as simple or as complex as you need. And those needs can change over time but you can still keep using the same application. I work in research and Obsidian is a powerhouse. Dataview; backlinks and unmentioned links; canvas; markdown all make Obsidian so much more powerful than Evernote. In addition, Obsidian gives you true ownership of your data/information and really good portability. I love that I can just take my Obsidian vault folder and move it into another app. I have been keeping notes in Markdown for over a decade now (first in Bear, then Craft, now Obsidian) and this longitudinal information has been invaluable in my work.
Tried Obsidian and paid courses from Nick Milo himself. Evernote is much easier and simpler to use as a personal productivity tool than Obsidian. Too many steps and plug-ins required to use Obsidian in the same form as Evernote. Ive used Obsidian since it's inception and been supporting it ever since and also on their infitine early bird discount. Obsidian will always for short of Evernote because of how much harder it is to use than Evernote. Para can work on Obsidian, but you miss 90% of the core of Obsidian if you use as such.
Vendor lock-in… it depends. There are a lot of plug-ins and specific workflows that locks you in Obsidian, because it could be the only application providing you with the advanced tools. The files are not locked in, but all the usability is.
Really like this kind of "guided experiment" for tools. This is the most productive for me! To give an illustration, it is like the difference between a video of "what is a hammer" and a video of you creating a table with the hammer. Really like your content!
I am impressed by the level of GENEROSITY of both sharing what they know and humbly learning from one another. The content of course is good. But I am struck by how much willingness to teach us they both put into this.
The visual representation of all the nodes can be fun and informative as well. I was feeling kinda down about my productivity lately but also hadn't gone to the view mode in months. I just popped it open to see if I had some glaring missed connections, and I had added thousands of small notes and tens of ideas that still were pertinent. And having them appear by date created showed that what I thought was an unproductive patch, still had lots of productivity.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🤝 *Introduction to topic* - Tiago and Nick introduce themselves and the topic of using Obsidian for creative projects. 02:03 📚 *Transferring notes from Evernote* - Tiago shows Evernote notes he has collected for a TV show project. - He copies and pastes selected notes into Obsidian, changing special characters in file names. - The initial transfer is like an immigrant arriving in a new world with just a few possessions. 06:16 🗺️ *Creating a map of content* - Nick suggests creating a new "hub" note to map all the project notes. - This map provides a helicopter view of the notes and reveals relationships. - Tiago starts grouping related notes visually under headings in the map. 10:59 📋 *Linking notes* - Nick shows how to link notes under headers so they can be collapsed. - This allows jumping from a search term to the related header section. - Headers provide structure and show what information is missing. 15:20 🎨 *Organizing map sections* - Tiago puts his own ideas at the top since he has little context on the project. - Nick says order should match how Tiago's brain works. - Order can change as understanding increases and ideas develop. 17:34 🧠 *Benefits of mapping* - The map has inherent meaning based on Tiago's choices. - It aids memory and provides a workbench to build on ideas. - Next steps are to refine structure and fill in knowledge gaps. 17:47 🧠 *Benefits of mapping* - The map structure improves recall and understanding. - Tiago can link new ideas to important points for future reference. - The map is a mechanism for learning how all the parts relate. 19:10 💡 *Creating evergreen notes* - Nick suggests making new evergreen notes from key insights. - These notes encapsulate important ideas with strong titles. - Other notes can link to these evergreen notes in the future. 22:10 🔙 *Backlinks* - Backlinks show where a note is mentioned in other notes. - This provides context and a network of connections. - Tiago links his new evergreen note back to the project hub. 24:17 🗂 *Organizing evergreen notes* - Evergreen notes can be manually organized under headers in the hub. - Tags and saved searches can also automatically group them. - Unlinked notes can be dragged into the hub to avoid losing ideas. 27:29 🏁 *Next steps* - Tiago now has a good starting set of research to build on. - He can try writing a treatment and fill knowledge gaps. - Nick's channel has more tips for learning Obsidian. Made with HARPA AI
This format is very risky for a show - which essentially says , both are truly invested and care about uncovering the methods in organizing thoughts, content, ideas, etc. Thank you - proof that you can "learn in real time" and be okay with exposing your first reactions to learning something new. I felt like I was in the room hanging with you both learning as you go. Fantastic format/content. Thank you.
I really liked this video, the experience was incredible, showing someone who really didn't know anything about working using obsidian, explaining the ideas and showing the step by step. I use Obsidian daily for my studies and notes, but with this video I was able to get a new perspective on how to organize projects and ideas efficiently with an extremely practical example. I fully support more videos like this, whether using Obsidian or any tool, just objectively exploring a project was satisfying to watch.
THIS is such a helpful video! I love watching you go through the process like this, I learn so much better this way! More videos like this please?! MORE OBSIDIAN CONTENT!!! I just learned about Obsidian a few days ago & it feels like something I’ve been looking for my entire life. Almost finished reading your “BASB” book & Obsidian really does feel like the TRUE Second Brain to me. More Obsidian & more Nick Milo collabs please 👏👏👏🙌🙌🙌💖💕
Thank you both for this clear beginning step in creating links in place of folders. I see a series using this format for Tiago's evolution while implementing Obsidian for various aspects of his professional and personal life. And Nick continues to light the way for a deeper practice of using the vast array of plugins available. I'm waiting...
I loved the last 2 years on Obsidian but have since migrated because I found there is a plateau in how effective you are when you have a large number of files and folders; it was this realisation that made me decide I needed to move to another tool that released me for this restriction, where I could completely live on the Graph. Obsidian is a great tool to start with and maybe the only Note-Making tool you ever need however, please recognise that a tool has to work for you and not the other way around.
This was a great video. I teach people a lot in my role. I have learned that there is no substitute for direct demonstration and training on how to do something like this. That approach turned this into a great video. Nice job.
Thanks Tiago and Nick for sharing this video! It was really insightful! I've been using Tiago's Para method in Obsidian for a couple of months now, and this video gave me a lot of new ideas!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *📝 User está desenvolvendo um programa de TV e está usando o Obsidian para organizar suas ideias e pesquisas.* 01:07 *📝 Nick Milo, especialista em Obsidian, destaca a importância de não apenas armazenar e organizar notas, mas usá-las para projetos criativos concretos.* 02:03 *📝 Desenvolver um programa de TV é um desafio que requer a capacidade de sintetizar e entender um novo campo ou indústria.* 03:25 *📝 O Evernote é ótimo para capturar e organizar informações, mas falha na reestruturação e análise de conteúdo, o que o Obsidian pode fazer com suas ferramentas de relacionamento.* 04:08 *📝 O Obsidian permite pensar não tanto temporalmente, mas através de relacionamentos, criando um banco de trabalho digital para organizar e interconectar notas.* 05:07 *📝 Ao migrar notas do Evernote para o Obsidian, é necessário ajustar caracteres especiais nos títulos para garantir que sejam reconhecidos corretamente.* 06:16 *📝 A analogia de sentir-se como um imigrante no final do século XIX, com uma bagagem preciosa, ilustra a jornada de explorar novos territórios criativos.* 06:58 *📝 Criar uma "TV show map" no Obsidian permite ter uma visão geral de todas as notas relacionadas ao programa de TV, facilitando a organização e conexão das ideias.* 08:32 *📝 Agrupar notas relacionadas em clusters no Obsidian ajuda a organizar visualmente as informações e identificar lacunas no conhecimento.* 09:28 *📝 No Obsidian, é possível adotar uma abordagem de baixo para cima, começando com um monte de notas soltas e gradualmente organizando-as em um mapa coerente.* 12:22 *📝 Ao criar um cabeçalho em uma nota do Obsidian, é possível fazer uma busca global que destacará o cabeçalho, facilitando a navegação e referência futuras.* 13:55 *📝 É importante criar notas "evergreen" no Obsidian para capturar ideias e insights importantes que podem ser referenciados e vinculados a outras notas no futuro.* 16:55 *📝 A ordem das notas no Obsidian pode refletir as preferências e necessidades individuais, como colocar pesquisas externas antes das próprias ideias para aumentar a confiança no conhecimento adquirido.* 21:15 *🔄 Repetições são melhores do que memorização baseada em roteiro, na minha opinião, para lembrar e aprender algo, pois você vê suas notas sobre TV e logo as reconhece como suas.* 21:28 *📝 Notas de espaço reservado podem se tornar notas reais ao clicar novamente nelas.* 22:10 *🔍 Configurações de backlinks permitem ver as ligações para a nota e são úteis para saber onde a nota foi criada.* 22:53 *🌀 Criar uma rede de notas confiável vinculando notas permanentes ao projeto ou base de conhecimento em que você está focado.* 24:03 *🧭 Tags e buscas salvas podem ajudar a organizar e encontrar notas, especialmente útil para pesquisa.* 25:13 *💰 Produzir episódios de TV é extremamente caro, o que levanta a questão de se é possível fazer isso de forma independente ou se é necessário buscar financiamento externo.* 26:07 *📝 Adicionar um prefixo às suas notas para identificar facilmente o tipo de nota no futuro.* 26:50 *📚 Criar uma seção de "Lições aprendidas" ou "Takeaways" em suas notas pode ajudar a capturar insights importantes.* 27:29 *💡 Após aprender os fundamentos do Obsidian, você pode começar a aplicar esse conhecimento em projetos reais, como escrever um tratamento para enviar a empresas de produção.* 28:11 *🛤️ O conhecimento adquirido pode ser usado para preencher lacunas e aprimorar projetos, proporcionando um processo de aprendizado contínuo.* Made with HARPA AI
2 very important features in my experience that wasn't mentioned in this video were 1. Canvas 2. Graph View ( I understand many people consider it a gimmick but I have found many instances of missing pieces while going through Graphs , at least it is visually very satisfying to watch )
I've been hearing a lot about Obsidian but I switched from Evernote to notion a while back and that was quite a move. I would love to see a comparison of notion vs obsidian video. Honestly I feel like switching apps again might kill me.
Bro, are you sure you need to switch? this programs are best suited for different purposes. Notion is great when you want create rigid system and collaboration. Evernote are good for permanent notes. And obsidian are great for ideas and navigating in chaos. I actually use 2 of them. For last month I tried to switch Evernote to Obsidian, and I dont feel they equal. Trying to make system and folders in Obsidian, doesnt look right, in my opinion (I have couple of month of experience with Obsidian)
I agree with @batmanyk . I've never used evernote. I use both notion and obisidian, they are both an integral part of my organization system.. However, I use them for different purposes. If you wanna manage lots of data, properties, tables and databases then Notion is quite unbeatable. However if you wanna take deep notes, research notes, study and develop concepts and see how everything is connected.. Obdisian is the best app for that. I'm gonna share a real life example, I use notion to track my readings (when I read which pages, how was that reading session, how much of the book is left. I kinda have a contenct consuption calendar) However, for my actual book notes, I always use obdisian.. the power of linking ideais e concepts is awesome!
The most important difference between Obsidian and Notion is Obsidian uses plaintext, so it won't hold your notes hostage. Or harvest them for training AI like Notion has started doing. The fact that the notes are in plaintext means that migrating from Obsidian to something else is absurdly simple. Good luck moving from Notion to something else.
Fantasic video - and I can't believe you went through all of that and didn't once jump into the Graph View. (I'd understand purely from a time perspective), but even just a glimpse of it to understand what that can show and represent. The Notion guys minds are going to explode when they see that... and DataView... and Properties... and Canvas... oh my My problem is now to _not_ see how every bit of knowledge I have should belong inside of Obsidian 😄
Even knowing the Linking your thinking channel I only understood the idea of creating MoC by watching your conversation and Demo! Very helpful, thank you! Is there a reason you didn’t „fly“ through the Graph of this new vault? I remember this one video by Nick doing this and developing connections between notes in this visual exploring and linking way …
I’m a college professor and about 5 years in to my career I noticed my pop cultural references I regarded as common knowledge were being met with pity laughs/nods. They had no idea what I was talking about. Now 20 years in it’s gone from a puzzled, “what’s a CD?” to “what’s an album?” Yes indeed it hits hard about your age!
I think it's good to start simple. Obsidian is quite overwhelming with what it can do at first. I don't think I'd have fallen in love with it if I dove right into these advanced topics.
Trying to do this to make a MOC for my mathematics degree. I want a note maybe called topics with headers for algebra, calculus etc. When I made the note I don't see the option to pin the note. How important is this? Also, is there a way to get the pin command back? EDIT: On version 1.5.3. The pin option possibly removed? SECOND EDIT: Solution - Right click on the tab itself at the top, the pin option is there.
I'm on a transition moment right now, although I really enjoy Evernote. What I cannot understand is why EN does not launch features like double brackets and in-line search suggestions to make notes linking easier. It's not that difficult, is it? Anyway, I'll probably keep using both (EN as a digital cabinet, and Obsidian to organize my thoughts, distill knowledge and expressing myself)
I was once a great fan of Evernote, but now it has been reduced to only a storage place - for various records and archives that I only need to search a bit for, and nothing else. Also since its web clipper is still one of the best out there. It is a filing cabinet - nothing else. I don't spend any time in the app. It is still a mystery to me how they could squander so badly, once having such a power position. Even though they modernized the UI and all this - I just find it too clunky to work in, for any real content work. It is like they haven't really understood what are the basic / most important use cases. Even just moving notes between folders is not easily accessible. The search capabilities are not that great either. Also, they messed up the really nice preview of PDFs and images that they had in older versions.
Comecei a usar Obsidian a 2 semanas atrás, e já mudou completamente a forma como eu escrevo meus roteiros. Agora não preciso mais partir do zero e pesquisar toda vez coisas que eu já tinha pesquisado e anotado meus insights. Excelente vídeo! :)
The only next generation PKMS tool there is is Notion because it has Q&A. It can actually think and synthesize for you. And if we talk about capturing information, Obsidian is MILES better than Evernote because it is SO fast. And with all of the templates and links it is much easier to extract as much information as possible for later use. I usually capture things in Obsidian and then add them to Notion.
Only 10 min in, but this is almost exactly how I work in Evernote: CMD SHIFT C copy's a hyperlink to current note; you then can paste it into another note. ... Cool episode, enjoyed it, ty! But didn't see anything there that Evernote can't do, except the bulk drag into a table of contents. But since you need to re-org links anyway, it's not much extra work to copy paste links individually.
You can do this basic workflow with Evernote or OneNote (you can do the drag and drop with multiselect and Copy Link), or Notion too. The specific payoffs from using Obsidian or another newer-generation notetaking tool come more from going a bit deeper with having inline searches on the page, or pages being able to automatically find their own mentions.
This was really interesting. I am, however, curious why your focus is becoming more Obsidian-centered. An earlier video you did of Logseq convinced me to begin using it and I haven't looked back (too much). In this video, everything you showed can be equally accomplished using Logseq. Is there a reason you are focusing on Obsidian? You also had a video where you discouraged use of back-linking note taking apps because the data wouldn't be portable should the tool be discontinued. This would seem to rule out both products. I would appreciate your thoughts.
Obsidian hits Tiago. I hope the spark and the magic jumps over. The graph view hasn't been shown what makes up the power of obsidian. Excalidraw and canvas such powerfull plugins. Dive deeper to this powerfull tool and Tiago becomes unstoppable.
I bought an Evernote annual subscription because of your past videos, Tiago. This is like telling me to buy an ugly dress, then showing up with Nick Milo making a 29-minute video on why that dress is ugly and why you should have bought the prettier dress. You broke my heart.
The one thing I hate about obsidian is that it’s software, and as an employee, I can’t just install random software on my work computer. I prefer it to notion, but I love that I can access notion via a web browser.
Interesting, I use in Apple Notes kind of the same 'system'! Per hub/project I make link from my main note -> that linkes to another hub note which excist in another folder. From there I backlink in Apple Notes back like breadcrumbs. And I make new notes from the linking menu. So that all the hub/project notes are in the same folder. But when on the Mac I just open "a note" and hide the main window. And navigate everything from that one note ;-)
I have a bilingual brain, should I keep my second brain in only one language or use both. Some things might be harder to find because I used different languages but I would prefer to use both languages. Is there a way around this? Any tips for bilingual or poliglot second brains??
The graph view in Obsidian is amazing, but a huge downside is that the text editor there is very basic and you can only style in Markdown (even when I downloaded plug-ins). One Note has the best features tbh, if they could just add this graph/cluster view.
There are three types of knowledge: unknown unknown, known unknown and known known. The unknown unknown is something that you don't even know exists. The known unknown is something you've heard of, or you just aware of it's existense, but your knowledge lacks of any fine details about it. And the last type of knowledge - known known - is a 'true' knowledge - it's something well-known to you.
I think, I find this too technical. I don't want to backlink, group it too much or have a connection between the notes. Just want to put dense information into "the right place". It is totally understandable that people like to use more of the technology but I find this pretty unproductive. I mean, I am supposed to use this system for a long time (in a time efficient manner). My brain should have all the connections. But probably it is just me. Everyone has a different style of thinking. Thanks for the video!
🤯 I can't believe the number of hours i've watched videos of people using obsidian, and I have never seen someone drag and drop all those notes. That makes making a MOC (at least initially so much less intimidating!
Imagine spending years/decades creating your second brain on a piece of software and the company which makes the software goes bust. This is a fear I have. My second brain is mind manager.
This is exactly why I like Obsidian, even the whole things disappears, I have all the same raw data and all the organization and links keep working because it's all just markdown files
Surprisingly, this video gave me nothing. I'd expected some new tip or two, but this is Thiago's first video without it. I blame it on Obsidian 😊. It's similar to LogSeq, but the default workflow is "just another note taking app" and AFAIK a level bellow of the default LogSeq workflow. Obsidian has it all (backlinks, extensions, you name it), but doesn't seem they promote working with them and really people don't utilize the features that meaningfully.
Not everyone does it the way they are doing it. It is actually incredibly easy to use obsidian without thinking much if you use it day to day. As long as you add a bracketed tag to each note, you will always be able to group notes by the main subject of each text.
@sofiawren agreed! I also feel like while Obsidian can have a learning curve, it doesn't have to. But the possibility that you can keep refining and developing more efficient methods of note-taking/organisation over time at whatever pace you want is what I love about it
So the biggest question is - have u moved away from Evernote Tiago to obsidian? And if not why not? Come on. We want to know. Also with obsidian, after you have created a map of content. Once you add a new note in the future how does that get added to the map of content created prior. Does that now have to be done manually. I just get the feeling I’m becoming a content curator not a content creator.
That's where the power of a popular Obsidian plugin called Dataview comes in. To address your scenario, instead of building the MOC manually as they did in the video (it would have to be maintained manually), you build it via a Dataview query, which basically shows a list (or a table) of all the notes that have, for simple example, type = "book" (you can base your query on as many properties as necessary). Then when you create your next book note, all you need to do is set the frontmatter property type = "book" which can also be done by using a book template. Then, next time you view any note that runs a Dataview query looking for books, a link to your new note will be included.
Don't need it. It's all in my head. Just sit down, pen paper and a few hours, and you can do all. Never used Obsidian, but it seems an awfully long way to a short cut.
This was so much fun nerding out in Obsidian. The linking, the clustering, the LIVE mapmaking! What a joy to see the process of moving a project into a linked-based environment and seeing what resulted.
Thank you so much for offering your knowledge so generously! 🙏
Sirs @@TiagoForte and Nick Milo, petitioning to make this a whole new series please, I just love your interactions with each other! Such a joy to be a witness of a dialogue of two like-minded experts. Thank you so much!! 😁
My main barrier to moving everything into a third/ out brain ( because your microbiome is your 2nd brain), and with obsidian especially, has been adding anything from my phone. I think I added too many extensions on my obsidian app and it just won't open!
I have a stack of dead ends where my knowledge gets captured because I don't have a functional one stop path from every software to drop into obsidian- mobile book marks, save to homescreen on phone, email/ Gmail multiple task lists, spreadsheets with lists of research, my otter Ai summaries. Not including all my analouge notebooks ( not quite commonplace books, more scattered ), some rocket book, so so many documents from external sources etc
I can't get everything into one place!!! Help 😅
Thank you so much for the sharing, yes demonstrating thinking/linking on the fly is so satisfactory it motivates me to apply to my current projects! Definitely want to see you two talk more.
Please do more videos of live editing / live thinking !!!
It's great to see the thought process instead of only the final setup - the questions and doubts are so insightful
Thank you! Will do.
I agree with this - definitely need more videos like this. I have found the Ideaverse vaults, etc. useful and helpful but I have not been able to figure out how to structure notes in Obsidian to "publish" or even just organize into an outline so I can create pieces of orginal writing from my notes. More examples of workflows such as this one are helpful beyond words!
One of the best videos about creating a 2nd brain with Obsidian I've watched, I've learn a lot with you guys here. The idea of creating a map of content from scratch along with the explanations step by step with an expert and a person that is learning how to do it was simply amazing
Evernote was great at one period of time, but it can't even come close to touching what Obsidian can do. The great thing about Obsidian is that it can be as simple or as complex as you need. And those needs can change over time but you can still keep using the same application. I work in research and Obsidian is a powerhouse. Dataview; backlinks and unmentioned links; canvas; markdown all make Obsidian so much more powerful than Evernote. In addition, Obsidian gives you true ownership of your data/information and really good portability. I love that I can just take my Obsidian vault folder and move it into another app. I have been keeping notes in Markdown for over a decade now (first in Bear, then Craft, now Obsidian) and this longitudinal information has been invaluable in my work.
Tried Obsidian and paid courses from Nick Milo himself. Evernote is much easier and simpler to use as a personal productivity tool than Obsidian. Too many steps and plug-ins required to use Obsidian in the same form as Evernote. Ive used Obsidian since it's inception and been supporting it ever since and also on their infitine early bird discount. Obsidian will always for short of Evernote because of how much harder it is to use than Evernote. Para can work on Obsidian, but you miss 90% of the core of Obsidian if you use as such.
I completely agree with this. There isn't vendor lock in and files are in simple markdown format that gets saved locally in our device.
How does this compare to Notion? Or is Notion just another version of the same thing?
Vendor lock-in… it depends. There are a lot of plug-ins and specific workflows that locks you in Obsidian, because it could be the only application providing you with the advanced tools. The files are not locked in, but all the usability is.
I wish I had started a decade ago. There wasn't obsidian then but I could have started with just text file. That's a treasure that you have there.
Really like this kind of "guided experiment" for tools. This is the most productive for me!
To give an illustration, it is like the difference between a video of "what is a hammer" and a video of you creating a table with the hammer.
Really like your content!
Thank you!
What a great video. It’s cool seeing both Tiago and Nick’s mindsets in action here.
Thank you!
I am impressed by the level of GENEROSITY of both sharing what they know and humbly learning from one another. The content of course is good. But I am struck by how much willingness to teach us they both put into this.
The visual representation of all the nodes can be fun and informative as well. I was feeling kinda down about my productivity lately but also hadn't gone to the view mode in months. I just popped it open to see if I had some glaring missed connections, and I had added thousands of small notes and tens of ideas that still were pertinent. And having them appear by date created showed that what I thought was an unproductive patch, still had lots of productivity.
Finally! The big minds on note taking are working together. Love it!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🤝 *Introduction to topic*
- Tiago and Nick introduce themselves and the topic of using Obsidian for creative projects.
02:03 📚 *Transferring notes from Evernote*
- Tiago shows Evernote notes he has collected for a TV show project.
- He copies and pastes selected notes into Obsidian, changing special characters in file names.
- The initial transfer is like an immigrant arriving in a new world with just a few possessions.
06:16 🗺️ *Creating a map of content*
- Nick suggests creating a new "hub" note to map all the project notes.
- This map provides a helicopter view of the notes and reveals relationships.
- Tiago starts grouping related notes visually under headings in the map.
10:59 📋 *Linking notes*
- Nick shows how to link notes under headers so they can be collapsed.
- This allows jumping from a search term to the related header section.
- Headers provide structure and show what information is missing.
15:20 🎨 *Organizing map sections*
- Tiago puts his own ideas at the top since he has little context on the project.
- Nick says order should match how Tiago's brain works.
- Order can change as understanding increases and ideas develop.
17:34 🧠 *Benefits of mapping*
- The map has inherent meaning based on Tiago's choices.
- It aids memory and provides a workbench to build on ideas.
- Next steps are to refine structure and fill in knowledge gaps.
17:47 🧠 *Benefits of mapping*
- The map structure improves recall and understanding.
- Tiago can link new ideas to important points for future reference.
- The map is a mechanism for learning how all the parts relate.
19:10 💡 *Creating evergreen notes*
- Nick suggests making new evergreen notes from key insights.
- These notes encapsulate important ideas with strong titles.
- Other notes can link to these evergreen notes in the future.
22:10 🔙 *Backlinks*
- Backlinks show where a note is mentioned in other notes.
- This provides context and a network of connections.
- Tiago links his new evergreen note back to the project hub.
24:17 🗂 *Organizing evergreen notes*
- Evergreen notes can be manually organized under headers in the hub.
- Tags and saved searches can also automatically group them.
- Unlinked notes can be dragged into the hub to avoid losing ideas.
27:29 🏁 *Next steps*
- Tiago now has a good starting set of research to build on.
- He can try writing a treatment and fill knowledge gaps.
- Nick's channel has more tips for learning Obsidian.
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This format is very risky for a show - which essentially says , both are truly invested and care about uncovering the methods in organizing thoughts, content, ideas, etc. Thank you - proof that you can "learn in real time" and be okay with exposing your first reactions to learning something new. I felt like I was in the room hanging with you both learning as you go. Fantastic format/content. Thank you.
The map of content. Mind blown! 🤯 and Nick is just getting started.
I really liked this video, the experience was incredible, showing someone who really didn't know anything about working using obsidian, explaining the ideas and showing the step by step. I use Obsidian daily for my studies and notes, but with this video I was able to get a new perspective on how to organize projects and ideas efficiently with an extremely practical example. I fully support more videos like this, whether using Obsidian or any tool, just objectively exploring a project was satisfying to watch.
THIS is such a helpful video! I love watching you go through the process like this, I learn so much better this way! More videos like this please?! MORE OBSIDIAN CONTENT!!! I just learned about Obsidian a few days ago & it feels like something I’ve been looking for my entire life. Almost finished reading your “BASB” book & Obsidian really does feel like the TRUE Second Brain to me. More Obsidian & more Nick Milo collabs please 👏👏👏🙌🙌🙌💖💕
Thank you both for this clear beginning step in creating links in place of folders. I see a series using this format for Tiago's evolution while implementing Obsidian for various aspects of his professional and personal life. And Nick continues to light the way for a deeper practice of using the vast array of plugins available. I'm waiting...
I loved the last 2 years on Obsidian but have since migrated because I found there is a plateau in how effective you are when you have a large number of files and folders; it was this realisation that made me decide I needed to move to another tool that released me for this restriction, where I could completely live on the Graph.
Obsidian is a great tool to start with and maybe the only Note-Making tool you ever need however, please recognise that a tool has to work for you and not the other way around.
What are you using now?
Yes, please share what you use in place of Obsidian.
This was a great video. I teach people a lot in my role. I have learned that there is no substitute for direct demonstration and training on how to do something like this. That approach turned this into a great video. Nice job.
Thanks Tiago and Nick for sharing this video! It was really insightful! I've been using Tiago's Para method in Obsidian for a couple of months now, and this video gave me a lot of new ideas!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 *📝 User está desenvolvendo um programa de TV e está usando o Obsidian para organizar suas ideias e pesquisas.*
01:07 *📝 Nick Milo, especialista em Obsidian, destaca a importância de não apenas armazenar e organizar notas, mas usá-las para projetos criativos concretos.*
02:03 *📝 Desenvolver um programa de TV é um desafio que requer a capacidade de sintetizar e entender um novo campo ou indústria.*
03:25 *📝 O Evernote é ótimo para capturar e organizar informações, mas falha na reestruturação e análise de conteúdo, o que o Obsidian pode fazer com suas ferramentas de relacionamento.*
04:08 *📝 O Obsidian permite pensar não tanto temporalmente, mas através de relacionamentos, criando um banco de trabalho digital para organizar e interconectar notas.*
05:07 *📝 Ao migrar notas do Evernote para o Obsidian, é necessário ajustar caracteres especiais nos títulos para garantir que sejam reconhecidos corretamente.*
06:16 *📝 A analogia de sentir-se como um imigrante no final do século XIX, com uma bagagem preciosa, ilustra a jornada de explorar novos territórios criativos.*
06:58 *📝 Criar uma "TV show map" no Obsidian permite ter uma visão geral de todas as notas relacionadas ao programa de TV, facilitando a organização e conexão das ideias.*
08:32 *📝 Agrupar notas relacionadas em clusters no Obsidian ajuda a organizar visualmente as informações e identificar lacunas no conhecimento.*
09:28 *📝 No Obsidian, é possível adotar uma abordagem de baixo para cima, começando com um monte de notas soltas e gradualmente organizando-as em um mapa coerente.*
12:22 *📝 Ao criar um cabeçalho em uma nota do Obsidian, é possível fazer uma busca global que destacará o cabeçalho, facilitando a navegação e referência futuras.*
13:55 *📝 É importante criar notas "evergreen" no Obsidian para capturar ideias e insights importantes que podem ser referenciados e vinculados a outras notas no futuro.*
16:55 *📝 A ordem das notas no Obsidian pode refletir as preferências e necessidades individuais, como colocar pesquisas externas antes das próprias ideias para aumentar a confiança no conhecimento adquirido.*
21:15 *🔄 Repetições são melhores do que memorização baseada em roteiro, na minha opinião, para lembrar e aprender algo, pois você vê suas notas sobre TV e logo as reconhece como suas.*
21:28 *📝 Notas de espaço reservado podem se tornar notas reais ao clicar novamente nelas.*
22:10 *🔍 Configurações de backlinks permitem ver as ligações para a nota e são úteis para saber onde a nota foi criada.*
22:53 *🌀 Criar uma rede de notas confiável vinculando notas permanentes ao projeto ou base de conhecimento em que você está focado.*
24:03 *🧭 Tags e buscas salvas podem ajudar a organizar e encontrar notas, especialmente útil para pesquisa.*
25:13 *💰 Produzir episódios de TV é extremamente caro, o que levanta a questão de se é possível fazer isso de forma independente ou se é necessário buscar financiamento externo.*
26:07 *📝 Adicionar um prefixo às suas notas para identificar facilmente o tipo de nota no futuro.*
26:50 *📚 Criar uma seção de "Lições aprendidas" ou "Takeaways" em suas notas pode ajudar a capturar insights importantes.*
27:29 *💡 Após aprender os fundamentos do Obsidian, você pode começar a aplicar esse conhecimento em projetos reais, como escrever um tratamento para enviar a empresas de produção.*
28:11 *🛤️ O conhecimento adquirido pode ser usado para preencher lacunas e aprimorar projetos, proporcionando um processo de aprendizado contínuo.*
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Eu estava lendo o livro (li em 3 dias) e começando no Obsidian...e olha o que vem de presente! Tks!
2 very important features in my experience that wasn't mentioned in this video were
1. Canvas
2. Graph View ( I understand many people consider it a gimmick but I have found many instances of missing pieces while going through Graphs , at least it is visually very satisfying to watch )
Is Canvas free in Obsidian? (If yes - same feature set as the free plan in the cloud, or better?).
@@DonDealiocanvas is absolutely free, you can create as many as you want with the free plan. Not sure about the other question tho
Thank you Tiago and Nick!
I've been hearing a lot about Obsidian but I switched from Evernote to notion a while back and that was quite a move. I would love to see a comparison of notion vs obsidian video. Honestly I feel like switching apps again might kill me.
Bro, are you sure you need to switch? this programs are best suited for different purposes. Notion is great when you want create rigid system and collaboration. Evernote are good for permanent notes. And obsidian are great for ideas and navigating in chaos. I actually use 2 of them. For last month I tried to switch Evernote to Obsidian, and I dont feel they equal. Trying to make system and folders in Obsidian, doesnt look right, in my opinion (I have couple of month of experience with Obsidian)
its great exactly in what being shown in a video - when you have bunch of notes and dont know where to start and what to do with them 3:00
I agree with @batmanyk . I've never used evernote. I use both notion and obisidian, they are both an integral part of my organization system.. However, I use them for different purposes. If you wanna manage lots of data, properties, tables and databases then Notion is quite unbeatable. However if you wanna take deep notes, research notes, study and develop concepts and see how everything is connected.. Obdisian is the best app for that. I'm gonna share a real life example, I use notion to track my readings (when I read which pages, how was that reading session, how much of the book is left. I kinda have a contenct consuption calendar) However, for my actual book notes, I always use obdisian.. the power of linking ideais e concepts is awesome!
There is a plug-in basically that can convert your notion to obsidian…but I personally use both for different things and it’s great 👍
The most important difference between Obsidian and Notion is Obsidian uses plaintext, so it won't hold your notes hostage. Or harvest them for training AI like Notion has started doing. The fact that the notes are in plaintext means that migrating from Obsidian to something else is absurdly simple. Good luck moving from Notion to something else.
A really really effective way to both know the potentially of Obsidian and taking away a use case. Thank you!
Such a great video! Very calm, detailed and positive. Live walkthrough and perspective. Very inspiring and informative
Fantasic video - and I can't believe you went through all of that and didn't once jump into the Graph View. (I'd understand purely from a time perspective), but even just a glimpse of it to understand what that can show and represent. The Notion guys minds are going to explode when they see that... and DataView... and Properties... and Canvas... oh my
My problem is now to _not_ see how every bit of knowledge I have should belong inside of Obsidian 😄
Kudos Tiago and Nick ❤
That was an awesome tutorial, thank you both so much!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Even knowing the Linking your thinking channel I only understood the idea of creating MoC by watching your conversation and Demo! Very helpful, thank you! Is there a reason you didn’t „fly“ through the Graph of this new vault? I remember this one video by Nick doing this and developing connections between notes in this visual exploring and linking way …
Found this really insightful, the walk through was a great idea! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I see Obsidian, I like
some really great frameworks for thinking about how to use Obsidian here so great vid :)
That piece about the TV audience age hits REALLY hard. Makes you think about your own age.
I’m a college professor and about 5 years in to my career I noticed my pop cultural references I regarded as common knowledge were being met with pity laughs/nods. They had no idea what I was talking about.
Now 20 years in it’s gone from a puzzled, “what’s a CD?” to “what’s an album?”
Yes indeed it hits hard about your age!
Best solution for MOCs ever
Be aware: obsidian can be an everlasting love
6:40- figured out enough and felt the breakthrough
It’d be easier to use note properties and the dataview plugin, rather than having to maintain all of the MOCs.
I think it's good to start simple. Obsidian is quite overwhelming with what it can do at first. I don't think I'd have fallen in love with it if I dove right into these advanced topics.
Great episode!
I love how Tiago humbly considers concepts from other “pkm/2nd brain” people out there.
Trying to do this to make a MOC for my mathematics degree. I want a note maybe called topics with headers for algebra, calculus etc. When I made the note I don't see the option to pin the note. How important is this? Also, is there a way to get the pin command back?
EDIT: On version 1.5.3. The pin option possibly removed?
SECOND EDIT: Solution - Right click on the tab itself at the top, the pin option is there.
I'm on a transition moment right now, although I really enjoy Evernote. What I cannot understand is why EN does not launch features like double brackets and in-line search suggestions to make notes linking easier. It's not that difficult, is it? Anyway, I'll probably keep using both (EN as a digital cabinet, and Obsidian to organize my thoughts, distill knowledge and expressing myself)
I was once a great fan of Evernote, but now it has been reduced to only a storage place - for various records and archives that I only need to search a bit for, and nothing else. Also since its web clipper is still one of the best out there.
It is a filing cabinet - nothing else. I don't spend any time in the app.
It is still a mystery to me how they could squander so badly, once having such a power position.
Even though they modernized the UI and all this - I just find it too clunky to work in, for any real content work.
It is like they haven't really understood what are the basic / most important use cases.
Even just moving notes between folders is not easily accessible. The search capabilities are not that great either.
Also, they messed up the really nice preview of PDFs and images that they had in older versions.
Comecei a usar Obsidian a 2 semanas atrás, e já mudou completamente a forma como eu escrevo meus roteiros. Agora não preciso mais partir do zero e pesquisar toda vez coisas que eu já tinha pesquisado e anotado meus insights. Excelente vídeo! :)
The only next generation PKMS tool there is is Notion because it has Q&A. It can actually think and synthesize for you. And if we talk about capturing information, Obsidian is MILES better than Evernote because it is SO fast. And with all of the templates and links it is much easier to extract as much information as possible for later use. I usually capture things in Obsidian and then add them to Notion.
Funny I found Obsidians capturing to be rather cumbersome. Notions is so much faster and cleaner imo.
There are plugins to add ai synthesis or whatever you what it to do with your obsidian vault as well
Obsidian the TOP for linking notes app imho, but quite not easy for begginers!
Only 10 min in, but this is almost exactly how I work in Evernote: CMD SHIFT C copy's a hyperlink to current note; you then can paste it into another note.
... Cool episode, enjoyed it, ty! But didn't see anything there that Evernote can't do, except the bulk drag into a table of contents. But since you need to re-org links anyway, it's not much extra work to copy paste links individually.
That's what I was thinking as well. But perhaps missing something - perhaps some Evernote/Obsidian user can comment
Also my thought. The video showed an interesting concept, using a hub as a map of content. But the same can be done in Evernote and other tools.
You can do this basic workflow with Evernote or OneNote (you can do the drag and drop with multiselect and Copy Link), or Notion too. The specific payoffs from using Obsidian or another newer-generation notetaking tool come more from going a bit deeper with having inline searches on the page, or pages being able to automatically find their own mentions.
This was really interesting. I am, however, curious why your focus is becoming more Obsidian-centered. An earlier video you did of Logseq convinced me to begin using it and I haven't looked back (too much). In this video, everything you showed can be equally accomplished using Logseq. Is there a reason you are focusing on Obsidian? You also had a video where you discouraged use of back-linking note taking apps because the data wouldn't be portable should the tool be discontinued. This would seem to rule out both products. I would appreciate your thoughts.
Obsidian hits Tiago. I hope the spark and the magic jumps over. The graph view hasn't been shown what makes up the power of obsidian. Excalidraw and canvas such powerfull plugins. Dive deeper to this powerfull tool and Tiago becomes unstoppable.
Loved this ❤
I bought an Evernote annual subscription because of your past videos, Tiago. This is like telling me to buy an ugly dress, then showing up with Nick Milo making a 29-minute video on why that dress is ugly and why you should have bought the prettier dress. You broke my heart.
Tiago next book should be about PARA and Zettelkasten method. Im trying to make that in Obsidian. Im a fan of your work. Hugs from Peru.
Awesome!
Can you talk about Microsoft Loop? Is that an alternative, for us office drones that ate stuck with Microsoft Ecosystems?
What is this 16:26 background image.. ?
8:18 how did he select all of that?
This video should be pinned to the top of obsidian tutorials!
the great video and good tips
Is there a way to generate a MOC via Canvas? I find it easier to drag and drop rather than cut and paste
The one thing I hate about obsidian is that it’s software, and as an employee, I can’t just install random software on my work computer. I prefer it to notion, but I love that I can access notion via a web browser.
So wait, is Obsidian an Evernote replacement? Does it capture as good as Evernote? Or is Obsidian a place to synthesize one's notes?
My screen does not look like this at all. Very frustrating for us non-Apple folk. But I loved the ideas!
Interesting, I use in Apple Notes kind of the same 'system'! Per hub/project I make link from my main note -> that linkes to another hub note which excist in another folder. From there I backlink in Apple Notes back like breadcrumbs. And I make new notes from the linking menu. So that all the hub/project notes are in the same folder. But when on the Mac I just open "a note" and hide the main window. And navigate everything from that one note ;-)
omg! i loved. but... pin not existing in windows?
A documentary shouldn't cost more than $50,000 - $100,000 per episode. . . unless it's "star-driven" (25:48)
I have a bilingual brain, should I keep my second brain in only one language or use both. Some things might be harder to find because I used different languages but I would prefer to use both languages. Is there a way around this? Any tips for bilingual or poliglot second brains??
Tiago do one of these shows for Onenote, please!
OneNote can do everything done in this video.
The graph view in Obsidian is amazing, but a huge downside is that the text editor there is very basic and you can only style in Markdown (even when I downloaded plug-ins). One Note has the best features tbh, if they could just add this graph/cluster view.
Have you used obsidian recently? Because they updated the text editing this month to be easier for people to change it without markdown.
Watched whole video just for Nick to show him graph view
I like paper and pen 🖊
Looking at the title I am thinking "you can't" a second brain is a collection of tools... will watch now 👀
"This Nick dude is good 😮 he should start a youtube channel."
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There are three types of knowledge: unknown unknown, known unknown and known known. The unknown unknown is something that you don't even know exists. The known unknown is something you've heard of, or you just aware of it's existense, but your knowledge lacks of any fine details about it. And the last type of knowledge - known known - is a 'true' knowledge - it's something well-known to you.
I think, I find this too technical. I don't want to backlink, group it too much or have a connection between the notes. Just want to put dense information into "the right place". It is totally understandable that people like to use more of the technology but I find this pretty unproductive. I mean, I am supposed to use this system for a long time (in a time efficient manner). My brain should have all the connections. But probably it is just me. Everyone has a different style of thinking. Thanks for the video!
🤯 I can't believe the number of hours i've watched videos of people using obsidian, and I have never seen someone drag and drop all those notes. That makes making a MOC (at least initially so much less intimidating!
Even God needs a tutorial!😂
But isn't this contradictory with what we learnt from tiago forte's second brain book?
Instead of copy + pasta - use the importer plugin
20:21 *scratches
22:24 * scratches
Imagine spending years/decades creating your second brain on a piece of software and the company which makes the software goes bust. This is a fear I have. My second brain is mind manager.
I use plain text and iA Writer as a fronted, I do exactly the same things as in the video, which is basically hyperlinks as in the 1990s
It's markdown and you can read the notes in 100 years.
This is exactly why I like Obsidian, even the whole things disappears, I have all the same raw data and all the organization and links keep working because it's all just markdown files
tiago looks like elon musk if he was animated in rick and morty
I don't know, I was thinking Elon looks like Tiago.
Surprisingly, this video gave me nothing. I'd expected some new tip or two, but this is Thiago's first video without it. I blame it on Obsidian 😊. It's similar to LogSeq, but the default workflow is "just another note taking app" and AFAIK a level bellow of the default LogSeq workflow. Obsidian has it all (backlinks, extensions, you name it), but doesn't seem they promote working with them and really people don't utilize the features that meaningfully.
You..didn't show...him...the graph.... can't believe it 😅
Idk, I'm liking Notion the best
I'm irish and I don't know anybody with the name Forte....😂😂😂😂
This shit is over kill😂😅
ok now do one with logseq
my name is tiagooo... i dont know whos margoo
Nick Milo has the creamiest complexion 😍
It feels easier to do this kind of knowledge structure emergence in Tana.
A really nice overview @linkingyourthinking !
Onenote Forever! The amount of time you waste to think about how to group these clusters is not worth it...and for what?!
Not everyone does it the way they are doing it. It is actually incredibly easy to use obsidian without thinking much if you use it day to day. As long as you add a bracketed tag to each note, you will always be able to group notes by the main subject of each text.
@sofiawren agreed! I also feel like while Obsidian can have a learning curve, it doesn't have to. But the possibility that you can keep refining and developing more efficient methods of note-taking/organisation over time at whatever pace you want is what I love about it
@@hannahmorgan4743 yes! That's true. I have had a lot of fun with it out of the box, but also as I slowly learned new things with it
Too much laborious. I prefer logseq or Tana, which is what I use now.
So the biggest question is - have u moved away from Evernote Tiago to obsidian? And if not why not? Come on. We want to know. Also with obsidian, after you have created a map of content. Once you add a new note in the future how does that get added to the map of content created prior. Does that now have to be done manually. I just get the feeling I’m becoming a content curator not a content creator.
That's where the power of a popular Obsidian plugin called Dataview comes in. To address your scenario, instead of building the MOC manually as they did in the video (it would have to be maintained manually), you build it via a Dataview query, which basically shows a list (or a table) of all the notes that have, for simple example, type = "book" (you can base your query on as many properties as necessary). Then when you create your next book note, all you need to do is set the frontmatter property type = "book" which can also be done by using a book template. Then, next time you view any note that runs a Dataview query looking for books, a link to your new note will be included.
I stopped watching when he mentioned you can’t use certain characters for the title 5:58 🤷
Don't need it. It's all in my head. Just sit down, pen paper and a few hours, and you can do all. Never used Obsidian, but it seems an awfully long way to a short cut.
Are you a blood related of Elon Musk? You two's appearance and the actions are similar.
I don't know exactly why, but this was one of the less useful content I've ever seen on TH-cam.
Tiago is a thief. Go Next
skinny elon?
All this lingo, jargon and slick marketing makes me sick
I use obsidian because of the ![[your cool]] feature
Its awesome
Agreed