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- Fraymakers - the most promising take we've seen on indie Smash Bros yet is currently in Early Access, but there's still time to wishlist the game on Steam to help the project out!
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In the meantime, here are 10 characters I think they should put in, lest I make a very loud and annoying noise from the highest place I can find.
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0:00 - 4:58 Intro/What IS Fraymakers?
4:58 - 6:27 What ISN'T On The List?
6:27 - 8:41 #10
8:41 - 10:03 #9
10:03 - 11:05 #8
11:05 - 14:42 #7
14:42 - 16:38 #6
16:38 - 18:03 #5
18:03 - 20:46 #4
20:46 - 22:20 #3
22:20 - 24:37 #2 + Honourable Mention
24:37 - 28:16 #1
28:16 - 29:46 Ending & Post-Video - เกม
Dang now I really want to watch a 2-hour video about all these indie crossover smash Bros that never got off the ground
Brawlout is one
Super Indie Kart is still going fairly strong I guess
personally I wish they'd just make Peppino a full character
Peppino not being a full character is why I haven't bought the game. It's criminal
@@ButtslammerBobit’s entirely possible they could, the playable characters also have assists, so it’s not gonna stop from the future
For me it's not just Peppino. I feel like Among Us should be a playable character as well. And Fancy Pants, and the guy from Wandersong. I also hope they add characters like Hollow Knight (who feels like a no-brainer), Shovel Knight (maybe that won't work because he's in RoA), and Gungeon.
@@ButtslammerBobthey could add him, they Said that an assist character Can totaly be a full playable character, so peppino or even Fancy Pants man can become playable in the futur.
The problem is that the dev team can't _just_ make full character, because they work very slowly. They probably want to make a bunch of full characters, including Peppino and others, but haven't gotten to it yet. They need to finish the base roster first, and then go through their whole slow process of creating a new character.
Honestly I think the best way to implement the Castle Crasher Knights is to make them a customizble character like the Mii's in Smash. You can pick between 3-4 different attacks, recoveries, and special attacks just like the Mii fighters. That way you still have the core of the knights moves but you can play them however you want.
Great Vid but I'd like to point out that Shantae has been in other indie games like Runbow so it's not far-fetched to think that Wayfoward would play ball with Fraymakers. I think she's highly likely to be playable considering how many smash fans were requesting her in ultimate.
CASTLE CRASHERS LETS GOOOOOO
They were my "Literally never gonna happen but a person can dream" pick for smash bros lol, so it would be amazing to see them here
I want the degen zoner to be V1 from Ultrakill, it would do more damage the closer range it is to mimick the fresh blood mechanic from its home series.
I know she's an assist already, but I really want Lea as a playable character. She's one of the best picks for a stance character with her 4 elements, with each element emphasizing an aspect of her kit. While she would probably be a very difficult character to fully realize, I would be eternally grateful for one of my favorite characters and a more technical character appearing in this game.
I am making her as a character in Rivals of Aether's Workshop.
I think they should add Mario, give him another game cameo because fuck it we ball
They need to ad kaos from skylanders
This is actually a really cool list with a lot of underrepresented games. That being said I think there are some other candidates who could shownup, if not as a character then as an assist who I think would be doable. Hat Kid from A Hat In Time would be a big get and she has been in another game as a cameo before. Also if the roster really wants a character like Sonic in there you have some decent options, Spark the Electric Jester and Lilac from Freedom Planet are almost ready made for a platform fighter.
That being said I think the actual best crossover is Rivals of Aether because of the game's Workshop, meaning literally every indie game character can fight each other in that game. There are already mods for the likes of Viridian, Lilac, Hat Kid, Yooka and Laylee, The Knight, Hornet, Sans, Cuphead, Chara, Kris, Spamton, Blacksmith, Candyman, Madeline, Peppino (made by the actual Pizza Tower devs) and Shantae which go nicely alongside Ori and Shovel Knight in the base game... not to mention all the other characters in the Workshop from more contemporary games as well as anime, cartoons and even TH-camrs.
15:20 technically the player character from Hollow Knight doesn't have a name, Ghost would probably be a better name since it is called that by Hornet.
Cult of the Lamb would be a solid get. They could do a lot with that character.
I was just googling other attempts at indie crossover platform fighters and found one on kickstarter that no joke DOES have the post-modern RPG guy as one of it's 6 characters.
for the castle crashers, I remember someone suggesting the different costumes have different hit effects, but be purely visual
3:39 *Coughs in Cross Impact*
Tbh if you wanted to go crazy, you could make the Castle Crashers character a transformation character like Pokemon trainer
Say you switch between them to alter your magic moveset, but keep their normals the same since all the sword swings are the same in castle crashers itself
Then you could include all 4 of the starter knights, which I think would fit perfectly
I want to see Cassette Beasts representation in this game somehow, assist or otherwise. Its sorta like Pokémon, you have a bunch of unique little fellas to pick that are all different and the game's lore allows them to be a really unique transformation character if they would want that
As much as i understand the fear of fatigue, Shovel Knight is the Mario of indies, he shouldn't be missing of the closest thing we have of an Indie Smash. Not having Shovel Knight there is like if Smash didn't had Mario, or Multiversus didn't had Bugs Bunny.
Played the hell out of castle crashers. hell yeah.
I feel like an Indie Games crossover thing feels empty without Cave Story or Touhou Project representation.
So I’m surprised that the latter didn’t get a single mention.
Unfortunately I hate all anime girls indiscriminately
@@NocturnalFudjBASED?! HELLO?!
Rare based Fudj take
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Would be cool to see Dorothy from SteamWorld Dig 2, She could dig up minerals and upgrade gear like Steve.
Could even give her gear and abilities from other SteamWorld games, which would give her access to teleporters which doesn't sound terrifying at all.
I have this game on early access thanks to my friend's kickstarter backing and I've been following their work since Smash Flash 1, so needless to say this is something I'm excited for too. I love every pick on this list but I think Owlboy, Guy, Mina and Mr Crasher would fit in the most with the current roster, maybe Silk for the fans and Clunk later on for fun. I'm looking forward to winning the Scrimblo Scramble in the distant future of 2026
My usual obvious pick would be Quote/Curly from Cave Story, but I understand why that likely wouldn’t happen, as unfortunate as it is. Instead, I’d like to expand on a character you mentioned that you didn’t have much faith in. I think Madeline from Celeste could unironically work great as a fighter. As a base to start with, Madeline could be modeled off of the Ice Climbers. She could basically just be one slightly bigger and stronger Ice Climber who uses her backpack instead of a hammer. After that, her specials could be based on stage gimmicks from Celeste + dashing as her neutral special (or if you wanted to try something really out there, map her special button to nothing but dashes based on the direction of the analog stick with two dashes between refreshes to balance a lack of variety in specials). There are bunch of different ways to incorporate Badeline as well. She could show up to pummel and throw after a grab, for a final smash equivalent, or even just be Nana and make them work even closer to the Ice Climbers. I really think there’s a lot of ways to go about including Madeline (and just to cover my bases, Madeline doesn’t strike me as the kind of character who absolutely wouldn’t partake in a fight with an invitation).
Edit: Come to think of it, if you wanted to go even further with the idea, Madeline could even use a bow & arrow for at least one move (maybe more) in reference to her appearance in Towerfall.
I agree, although I think it'd be a must to include Badeline as a major part of her moveset. You could include her energy balls and/or lasers, and Madeline's recovery could be Badeline boost. Some other moves or maybe even just the taunts could incorporate the bird as well
My top 10 for anyone interested.
10: Cave Story.
9: Fall Guy/Bean. The moves could be pretty interesting, and strange. Maybe he'd work as an assist better.
8: Gravity Circuit looks cool and could probably have a cool moveset.
7:Cassette Beasts. I don't know too much about this game, but it looks really cool and I think it would make for an interesting character.
6: Obviously Hollow Knight has to be on the list. I won't say who I would prefer (Cornifer), only that the game needs representation.
5: Risk of Rain. I have the game, but I haven't played that much of it. I think the Commando is a solid choice because he's kind of their mascot for both games, but I think any character is well-designed enough to be chosen.
4: Cuphead. I can actually think of a good moveset for Cuphead. I also don't need to, as there are tons of characters already modded in Rivals of Aether, including Cuphead.
3: Any Shovel Knight character. I'd prefer Plague Knight but would be happy if any of them got added.
2: Untitled Goose Game. A fun idea for a character.
1: Enter the Gungeon characters. I know that the most likely character is the Gunslinger, and I don't really want the Bullet, so I want the Robot. They could have a moveset based off of getting guns and loot from chests, and all that stuff that makes EtG, without being gimmicky like the Bullet. Seriously, the Bullet has a sword as his main weapon so I don't think that he should represent a game about wacky guns.
Honorable Mentions/Characters that would be better as Assists: FNaF, of course, is too big to be in this, but it would make a cool assist. Fez: I would love Gomez being playable, but I don't see that working. Of course, there are plenty more, Meat Boy, Limbo Kid, etc., but I'm not going to list every indie game character.
my number one pick for a character in fraymakers would have to be Arthur Ford, who is the main character of the VR game BONEWORKS. I hope that he can at least make it in as an assist, VR games having any sort of appearance in Fraymakers would be awesome to see!
Vi from Bug Fables or have a character that switches between Vi, Kabbu, and Leif like Pokémon Trainer.
Any world where Terry Hintz have a chance of being in a crossover fighter is a world worth living in
eyy, a lisa the painful mention
That's a W.
12:36 how bout Rusty from SteamWorld Dig as a ‘cowboy’?
Shantae has been in a LOT of indie crossovers already though I see no reason why Wayforward wouldn't collaborate here
If we have the workshop it doesn't matter who's in the base game tbh
3:40 ooOOOOOOOAauagoagoAOAUUAGHHHHH I'M GONNA YIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIK!!!!
Fancy Pants is only an assist!? NOOOOOOO!
Anyway, I absolutely want Plague Knight. I don't care if the average person finds zoners annoying and only wants all-rounders and rushdown characters to be playable. He's awesome and he's earned his place.
they need to add Zade from Vestaria Saga (the game made by the original fire emblem creator) purely on the reason it would irritate the people coming from smash that do nothing but moan about fire emblem characters
That would be really funny
I disagree, they absolutely should add Alex YIIK to Fraymakers
it would be fun to punch him
If this game has good netcode count me in for the scrimbling scrabling.
I haven’t heard of this game till today, but I love indie games and smash bros ultimate so this looks awesome
Hank J Wimbleton from Madness Combat.
Although I get your reasoning and your current picks are amazing, I still think an Undertale rep would work... but only if it is Frisk/Kris. There are many items and stuff that happens in cutscenes that would very well for their moveset. I think it would be a fun Villager-like character.
Also an Enter the Gungeon character would be very lit. Bullet would be the best represent the game in visuals I think. But probs the Gunslinger would be more appropiate.
I disagree with your assessment that Cuphead would be difficult to make a move set for because Welltaro from Downwell is already in the game. His game has a much more limited move set than Cuphead (he jumps and shoots bullets downward that’s it) and they managed to make him work.
Tbh im holding out for Waluigi
I got to say, Im gonna put my 5 I want to see
5: player character in Muck
4: Phill Egtrey (riddle school games)
3: The Lizards (rain world)
2: Specimen 9 (spookys jumpscare mansion)
1: OMORI (OMORI)
GREAT LIST FUDJY MY BOY
I think you justified your choices well
woudl you like to play castle crashers again
All great picks here. I am kicking myself for missing out on this Kickstarter.
Please tell me The Penitent One (or at least someone from Blasphemous) scored well on the character request ballot that backers filled out in the survey? A rep from Moonscars would be badass too.
juliette omega strikers... lebron james mvs of fraymakers... or juno for a zoner
3:40 play cross impact yall
all i know about this game is it has fancy pants man. i like fancy pants
I think Deltarune (and thus Undertale) is no longer considered Indie due to... SOME big company acquiring it on the business end in some way? I don't remember what it's called though. Anyway it's a similar situation to the unfortunate disinclusion of Bloons Tower Defense 6.
You don't think MADELINE seems like a fun character? With the cool airdashes and stuff?
I mean, those characters are literally ASSISTING Otus, so having them be assists that do what they expect doesn't seem too weird, right?
I don't think I've heard much of Owl Boy but yeah Otus seems like a fun pick!!
Yeah Cuphead seems cool, definitely would be funny since the style is such a core part of the identity with that character, though that isn't to say that he couldn't be animated in a cool way that essentuates (90% chance didn't spell that right) his original style considering the talent on display with Fishbunjin. I don't know why you think Cuphead is limited in moveset though... a Rubberhose cartoon character? The possibilities are limitless!
wait, the protagonist of hades isn't hades? anyway yeah get him in there
13:28 Too much what?
Oh yeah a Hollow Knight character would be great, not that I've played or really know anything about that game I can just tell, plus I have a general idea that the game is good of course
ya lethal league seems sweet
We shall see
I think the Fraymakers initial kickstarter campaign and marketing was almost too successful. To me, it seems like the devs' plan was to de-emphasise content and characters, instead to spend a while polishing the basic controls, movement, and mechanics. The purpose of early access in such a plan would be to get continual feedback on the elements from a core group of players, probably mostly brought over from the ssf2 fanbase and competitive scene, who would be willing stick with the game despite the lack of content in EA. I think perhaps Fraymakers got more attention from people outside of the ssf2 fanbase than the devs were anticipating, leading to an excess of unhappy players who thought the early access would be a finished game. And ironically, Fraymakers hasn't received as much attention from ssf2 players as you might expect, due to issues with Fraymakers' online and rollback netcode making the ssf2 competitive experience simply superior right now.
My absolute number one pick is from my absolute number one favorite game: Hat kid from a hat in time. C'mon! At least as an assist or something? Please?
I think they should add someone from the indie darling of fighting games skullgirls
yes v1 ult kill and crasher castle but meatboy??? I mean all his cameos (besides jill and steve minceraft) are in the game.
I’m hoping for AHIT representation, even just as an assist.
Just make castle crashers like 4 ice climbers lol
You do realize how difficult that is to program right? Even in SSBU Sakurai and his team had trouble getting Ice Climbers to work.
Tough crowd 😭
Man, this Gagne gets slower updates than SSF2, these guys need to get a move on with the character releases, I’ve had this sitting in my library for like 4 months without playing. If they don’t want to end up like that other indie platform fighter that just died (pick one) they need to settle down a date. Short of that, give me a refund because there is literally 4 characters in the game right now. Considering they want 16 characters at most, they are already at a huge disadvantage of being forgotten simply from a lack of variety.
The problem is that the artstyle takes too long to create animations for.
It has the knock on effect of the game's modding community not even trying to replicate it.
@@Aperson-62 That makes sense, considering game released without full moveset designs. I think they should have just waited to be honest
Gah Fudj you gotta play Hades
Hat kid
did they just steal orcane form rivals of aether lol
Castle Crashers is cool but I also really want to see Alien Hominid
You’re exclusions are the reasons why we’ll never get a real indie smash
God I wish I gave a shit about smash or smash clones. It looks and sounds really good but I refuse to spend another fucking dime on games where I just fall into pits while other people have a blast. Not again.
This sounds like a skill issue.
@@Wizard_Lizard_ Quite literally. :)
Why do you need THEM to add these characters? Just mod them in! 😂
Oh, right, it’s not out yet…
Edit: wait, is it???
Can we PLEASE just let Castle Crasher die, already?
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2 weeks ago
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