Bronco is a fantastic vehicle but the price is outrageous. Wrangler prices are outrageous as well so obviously that's why Ford prices it the way it does.
@@gothops154wranglers have never been sold under MSRP….. they are always over MSRP. Dodge,Jeep,Ram has a tendency to sell there vehicles way over MSRP. I would know…. Tried looking everywhere for a wrangler under MSRP but every single Jeep dealership wanted almost $10,000 over MSRP
I have an Explorer ST and that 3.0TT is a mean engine. With a tune and fuel pump on E60 it’ll make 540hp to the wheels. Stock turbos, stock cats/stock downpipes and stock injectors. The weakpoint is the 10R60 and the rear end subframe bolts.
Double Topher Drive can’t be beat. They’re both great vehicles. I would however be flabbergasted if any dealer is selling Bronco Raptors at MSRP. My flabber would be gasted. But hey, if you have the money…🤷🏻♂️. Thanks for the great drives Gents!
I have a '24 Braptor. I came from an F150 Raptor. Just an amazing vehicle. So capable but still so agile for driving around town or going to the airport. And offroad, it's unmatched. They put the full size truck suspension on a smaller vehicle with massive tires. Just incredible.
@orangemanbraptor Now that's saying something, coming from an F-150 Raptor to a Ranger Raptor! What year was your F-150 Raptor? I traded in my 6-Inch lifted 2021 F-150 Lariat for my Ranger Raptor. Haven't even had it a solid month yet.. I also own a 2020 Explorer ST, so I'm very familiar with the Ranger Raptor's powertrain. Leveled it out, installed some actual 33-Inch tires on 20-Inch wheels. Just waiting for a tune to come out for it now..
There are a bunch of new Bronco Raptors at my local Ford dealership that have been sitting there since the beginning of May. They are all priced at/around $90,000. There are so many better vehicles you can get at that price. The msrp should realistically be $65,000 in terms of the quality your getting.
Either of these trucks would be so far down the list of vehicles desirable to me that you would never see me rent one for a day much less own one, but you are both such consummate professionals of your craft that I will always click a recommended video to watch to be educated and entertained once again. Great engine sounds! Bravo to another job well done!
Not everyone like us wants a sports car some people just want good build quality, large space, and good reliability which is what your really paying for in a car like this 🙂↕️(but your right 90k is a little crazy but who buys any car new anyways 🥲)
Someone who has a Whipple charged mustang making 800hp, I like taking trips to my families beach house and needed something off road capable 😅 I've seen a variety of cars get stuck in the sand, and trucks too who didn't air down 😂😂
The Bronco Raptor being 90k+ is insane and I can't imagine they're selling much at all. I can still acknowledge that both are definitely great vehicles, but the Bronco being over 90k in my opinion is not worth it. 60k maybe but over 90k no way. I'm definitely thankful that both vehicles have a proper dash and radio setup, this whole two screens placed on top of dash is ugly and lazy.
That is so weird with the traction control in the braptor. I have a normal bronco and I can just hold traction control and the loading bar comes up (like you said in your ranger raptor). That is really weird that they would change that for the bronco raptor.
Just paid $77860 for my new bronco raptor with tax out of NJ. I like the Danger ranger as the daily, Quicker/nicer inside. Bronco's better at crawling, but the ranger is better at mostly everything else. Also no big THUD when you jump it in the bronco. Well the Danger ranger needs the buckle up sensor guards, as they come unplugged offroading when hooning.....
i slightly disagree lmao i think the braptor does almost everything better except it's just slightly less sporty (still very sporty especially for what it is) and the interior is a little better in the bronco along with the overall aesthetic. not hating on the ranger though its an absolute beast and the things it can do that the bronco isn't as good at is for sure a potential deal breaker. both are arguably too close to even say one is better than the other imo
@@purpytwinzo4290 I still like the ranger interior better, stereo is better, it is way quicker as a daily. The bronco raptor is an off-road beast but feels like I’m wasting it in the car line. I did the bronco raptor off roadeo, loved it. I’ve jumped mine and really enjoyed. It also drifts off-road way better than the ranger. Guess I’ll have to make my bronco raptor faster.
@@ImportImageRacing think they upgraded the stereo in the braptor but if ur comparing both 24’ models and that’s still the case that might be unfortunate. but yea u right in terms of typical street performance and fun hooligan behavior the ranger is definitely the one😂 literal drift missile
I'd love to see this comparison between the Bronco Raptor and the F150 Raptor, the F150 Tremor too. That's where my decision seems to be coming down to. If I got the Tremor I'd do a roughly 3" level/lift and add 35's. I thought about the new Yukon AT4 Ultimate but it's road clearance sucks, even with the adjustable air ride suspension. I seek a daily driver with maximum interior luxury/comfort that is my go anywhere, any time, any kind of weather vehicle, especially during big snowstorms in mountainy ski country, those are the best ski days after all.
Added note, the Bronco raptor only has. Direct injection engine , the Ranger Raptor has port and direct injection. This is a deal breaker on the bronco raptor, who wants to have to get a valve job after 30,000 miles
They probably won’t when you look at the competition the ranger is cheaper than the taco trd pro and Chevy Colorado zr2 the bronco is priced that way because of the wrangler 392
+1 to going to wildpeaks, had a couple of sets of at3w's they are tons better than the k02's I've had. Currently on wildpeaks mt01's and they're pretty sweet aswell. I'd say on road manners are still better on the mt01 vs the k02
This is the video everyone needed. I'm in the market for a truck and with the price coming down on the Bronco Raptor below MSRP, it's becoming a tempting choice Is there any aftermarket wider fender for Ranger Raptor for wider tire/wheel setup?
Huh? I ordered one just a few weeks ago and have a build date of September 2nd direct from Ford. I ordered Oxford white though. Maybe there is a black paint shorage.
@@krcjeep1 You should definitely go to another dealer. I had to go across state lines to find a dealer that would order one for me. Seriously, it was only weeks ago and I got an email from Ford saying that my build date was Sept 2. There are a lot of scumbuzzard dealers out there. They just want your truck so they can mark it up $10K. I have no idea where you live but there are Ford dealers everywhere. Call around, complain to Ford.
@@krcjeep1 You should have received an email directly from Ford days after the order. I did. Then a few days later they send you another with a build date. Something is wrong here. Your dealer is pulling something. Go somewhere else.
For the price of the Bronco Raptor, it needs the Hi-po 3.5 EB, with 440 hp and that 510 ft lb. As is, I am taking the RR all day, but in Cactus Grey. I would switch out the KO3's for 34" or 35" but understand keeping them in the meantime.
the bronco is such amazing, and sounds more alive and fun, the thing is the price, but if it was at the same 68K it would be a steal for what it offers!
Jeep just drives bad day to day with the front axle for daily driving it is not great. The 10 speed is makes it faster than a 8 speed would be. There is a difference 93 octane almost a second faster than 87 octane 0-60. The car expert did a test of the difference in 87 and 93 octane in the Ranger Raptor. Watch the test it eye openning. th-cam.com/video/1p28eQLtLgo/w-d-xo.html
Would any one trade a 2023 Toyota Tacoma trd pro for a raptor bronco. I almost did it today but couldn’t do it, and of coarse I needed to come up with an additional 55,000
@ well I did it lol. This thing is by far superior to the TRD PRO TACOMA, but I am not going to lie, the reliably factory is in the back of my head, I just can’t stop thinking Toyota is king when it comes to building reliable trucks
@@GARJENVETTE1congrats! I love mine. Reliable it isn’t though. Mine only has 300 miles and it’s cam phasers are already going bad. The idle is super rough.
The raptor bronco is way too big. You have to see them in person to understand. They are significantly wider than a ram 2500 power wagon. It is just way too excessive and basically renders the vehicle as useless for going on trails since it is too wide. Its just a show car. Edit: if you want a real truck and off-roader than buy a power wagon for 20k less.
Wasn't meant to be going on narrow trails. No different than an F150 Raptor. Better mid US West Coast desert driving. Want to go narrow trails? Buy a Jeep Wrangler.. Just sold my 24 Wrangler Rubicon X and bought a Bronco Raptor.. No comparison...
Sorry Ford, I only see $65-70k MAX for something like this. For $90k, I expect a V8 variant, but know that’s not going to happen. Also, for a $90k vehicle and seeing exposed plastic door handles? Come on.
It seems like the Ranger Raptor rear end is always getting out of control as soon as you get on the throttle? I'd have to keep it in all wheel drive because that wouldn't inspire a lot of confidence in corners under power. That's the downside of trucks in general I suppose.
Reducing the Bronco Raptor tires from 37" to 35" would improve acceleration and braking performance, which would be welcome if mostly driving on the roads and trails.
driving these vehicles only on pavement is like getting a hunting dog and never taking it in the field. Compare the vehicles off road the way they were engineered.
Bronco is a fantastic vehicle but the price is outrageous. Wrangler prices are outrageous as well so obviously that's why Ford prices it the way it does.
I agree
Wranglers are always sold below MSRP even during covid
@@gothops154wranglers have never been sold under MSRP….. they are always over MSRP. Dodge,Jeep,Ram has a tendency to sell there vehicles way over MSRP. I would know…. Tried looking everywhere for a wrangler under MSRP but every single Jeep dealership wanted almost $10,000 over MSRP
I have a shelter green RR on order. Can’t wait! The color looks unique but so good. Great video!
42 minutes of topher and substitute topher going on about fords? I'm in!
Both beasts😈 You two are awesome. I love the nods you buddy gives u every time you say something. Thanks really enjoyed this.
I have an Explorer ST and that 3.0TT is a mean engine. With a tune and fuel pump on E60 it’ll make 540hp to the wheels. Stock turbos, stock cats/stock downpipes and stock injectors.
The weakpoint is the 10R60 and the rear end subframe bolts.
You said 540 lol..that motor is trash.
@@xspower21 ?
0:31, I see Substitute Topher is wearing a Diddly Squat Farm hat 🤣
Double Topher Drive can’t be beat. They’re both great vehicles. I would however be flabbergasted if any dealer is selling Bronco Raptors at MSRP. My flabber would be gasted. But hey, if you have the money…🤷🏻♂️. Thanks for the great drives Gents!
I have a '24 Braptor. I came from an F150 Raptor. Just an amazing vehicle. So capable but still so agile for driving around town or going to the airport. And offroad, it's unmatched. They put the full size truck suspension on a smaller vehicle with massive tires. Just incredible.
@orangemanbraptor Now that's saying something, coming from an F-150 Raptor to a Ranger Raptor! What year was your F-150 Raptor? I traded in my 6-Inch lifted 2021 F-150 Lariat for my Ranger Raptor. Haven't even had it a solid month yet.. I also own a 2020 Explorer ST, so I'm very familiar with the Ranger Raptor's powertrain. Leveled it out, installed some actual 33-Inch tires on 20-Inch wheels. Just waiting for a tune to come out for it now..
@@DalHarpJr I have a Braptor (Bronco Raptor). I had 2018 Gen 2 150 Raptor though.
@@DalHarpJrwhy wait? ZFG Racing is already tuning them
There are a bunch of new Bronco Raptors at my local Ford dealership that have been sitting there since the beginning of May. They are all priced at/around $90,000. There are so many better vehicles you can get at that price. The msrp should realistically be $65,000 in terms of the quality your getting.
I paid 79k out the door for a full loaded brand new 24 bronco raptor. 18k discount.
I love the ranger raptor more, great comparison video ! Keep it up topher :)
I'm a bit partial too. It's hard to beat!
@@TheTophercan you add a ford Ranger raptor
Lmfao Chris 'you can get to your destination - as the crow flies! - very funny
Either of these trucks would be so far down the list of vehicles desirable to me that you would never see me rent one for a day much less own one, but you are both such consummate professionals of your craft that I will always click a recommended video to watch to be educated and entertained once again. Great engine sounds!
Bravo to another job well done!
Bronco Raptor is my dream vehicle but the Ranger Raptor looks like a blast and great bang for your buck!!!
Locking in a shelter green in December. Love the color without the decals personally. Super stoked!
Bro 90k what are the companies thinking? At that point let me get a GTR or a Corvette....
Not everyone like us wants a sports car some people just want good build quality, large space, and good reliability which is what your really paying for in a car like this 🙂↕️(but your right 90k is a little crazy but who buys any car new anyways 🥲)
Oh yeah, Corvettes are great to go on tracks in North Idaho. People buy vehicles for different reasons, duh.
Someone who has a Whipple charged mustang making 800hp, I like taking trips to my families beach house and needed something off road capable 😅 I've seen a variety of cars get stuck in the sand, and trucks too who didn't air down 😂😂
Why on earth is there a 30k difference
"If you pull the doors off there's no way to roll down the window" Haha!
Hi Substitute Topher! You two are 2 favorite POV YTers
Thanks for this video. You also have taken extra care of your truck with early oil change. I expected your truck to sound better.
Take your ranger to the dealer, there is a bulletin to fix the hood latch.
How long has that road at 14:16 been closed for? It seems like it's been closed or had roadworks going on since I started watching this channel
Hermano, tu Ranger Raptor es hermosa! Saludos desde México 👊🏼
The original Raptor for the win! Tons of space, capable, comfortable, and look badass. No compromises
The Bronco Raptor being 90k+ is insane and I can't imagine they're selling much at all. I can still acknowledge that both are definitely great vehicles, but the Bronco being over 90k in my opinion is not worth it. 60k maybe but over 90k no way.
I'm definitely thankful that both vehicles have a proper dash and radio setup, this whole two screens placed on top of dash is ugly and lazy.
That is so weird with the traction control in the braptor. I have a normal bronco and I can just hold traction control and the loading bar comes up (like you said in your ranger raptor). That is really weird that they would change that for the bronco raptor.
same here lmao i was a little confused why they made it a 2 step verification for the braptor lmao but oh well
Just paid $77860 for my new bronco raptor with tax out of NJ. I like the Danger ranger as the daily, Quicker/nicer inside. Bronco's better at crawling, but the ranger is better at mostly everything else. Also no big THUD when you jump it in the bronco. Well the Danger ranger needs the buckle up sensor guards, as they come unplugged offroading when hooning.....
i slightly disagree lmao i think the braptor does almost everything better except it's just slightly less sporty (still very sporty especially for what it is) and the interior is a little better in the bronco along with the overall aesthetic. not hating on the ranger though its an absolute beast and the things it can do that the bronco isn't as good at is for sure a potential deal breaker. both are arguably too close to even say one is better than the other imo
@@purpytwinzo4290 I still like the ranger interior better, stereo is better, it is way quicker as a daily. The bronco raptor is an off-road beast but feels like I’m wasting it in the car line. I did the bronco raptor off roadeo, loved it. I’ve jumped mine and really enjoyed. It also drifts off-road way better than the ranger. Guess I’ll have to make my bronco raptor faster.
@@ImportImageRacing think they upgraded the stereo in the braptor but if ur comparing both 24’ models and that’s still the case that might be unfortunate. but yea u right in terms of typical street performance and fun hooligan behavior the ranger is definitely the one😂 literal drift missile
@@ImportImageRacingford performance procal tune turns it into a beast and maintains the factory warranty for only $600.
Super curious to see what tire you end up going with on the RR, I've been debating 34's as well
Me, watching with my 2023 Baby Bronco Sport Badlands... I wish! Just can't justify such a massive car payment for the Big Bronco Raptor.
Super Best driver on Ford Ranger Raptor
I’d rather pay a little more and buy 2 Ranger raptors instead of 1 bronco ranger.
I'd love to see this comparison between the Bronco Raptor and the F150 Raptor, the F150 Tremor too. That's where my decision seems to be coming down to. If I got the Tremor I'd do a roughly 3" level/lift and add 35's. I thought about the new Yukon AT4 Ultimate but it's road clearance sucks, even with the adjustable air ride suspension. I seek a daily driver with maximum interior luxury/comfort that is my go anywhere, any time, any kind of weather vehicle, especially during big snowstorms in mountainy ski country, those are the best ski days after all.
Anyone else repeat after Topher when he says "dooooones" or "toooones"?
Added note, the Bronco raptor only has. Direct injection engine , the Ranger Raptor has port and direct injection. This is a deal breaker on the bronco raptor, who wants to have to get a valve job after 30,000 miles
Unfortunately it’s been confirmed all the ford 3l tt engines are DI only, no port injection. So… get a catch can!
Wrong I confirmed that the Raptor ranger is DI and port
The regular 4 door Bronco is slightly cramped versus the Bronco Raptor. Bronco Raptor seems to be wider and have more leg space for the passengers.
Don't understand the orange/red
Screw ford for increasing the price $20k. Ranger raptor is a decent deal but how long until they raise those prices too
They probably won’t when you look at the competition the ranger is cheaper than the taco trd pro and Chevy Colorado zr2 the bronco is priced that way because of the wrangler 392
There are hundreds of ‘24 raptors unsold at year end in my area and some are offering $15K off MSRP. Not enough discount IMHO.
Topher- if you had to pick one for daily driver for the most fun- integra aspec 6mt or Elantra n 6mt
You can get a '23 Raptor for just under $70k, if you can find them near you. A plan will give a little extra, too.
Strangely, the Ranger Raptor is much more a car than this Bronco - quite more expensive?! This is seen by every normal person and driver.
Does anyone agree the Bronco steering wheel looks so much better. I would want to put the Bronco steering wheel in the Ranger Raptor.
+1 to going to wildpeaks, had a couple of sets of at3w's they are tons better than the k02's I've had. Currently on wildpeaks mt01's and they're pretty sweet aswell. I'd say on road manners are still better on the mt01 vs the k02
Can we just talk about the fact that TheTopher has 483 UNREAD MESSAGES?!
This is the video everyone needed. I'm in the market for a truck and with the price coming down on the Bronco Raptor below MSRP, it's becoming a tempting choice
Is there any aftermarket wider fender for Ranger Raptor for wider tire/wheel setup?
Are these reliable and cheap to maintain? Never got into ford and always hear of stories
I've had my Black Ranger Raptor on order for almost a year now 🙃. still no build date
Huh? I ordered one just a few weeks ago and have a build date of September 2nd direct from Ford. I ordered Oxford white though. Maybe there is a black paint shorage.
@@JimBering order submitted October 11th 2023. 😥
@@krcjeep1 You should definitely go to another dealer. I had to go across state lines to find a dealer that would order one for me. Seriously, it was only weeks ago and I got an email from Ford saying that my build date was Sept 2. There are a lot of scumbuzzard dealers out there. They just want your truck so they can mark it up $10K. I have no idea where you live but there are Ford dealers everywhere. Call around, complain to Ford.
@@krcjeep1 You should have received an email directly from Ford days after the order. I did. Then a few days later they send you another with a build date. Something is wrong here. Your dealer is pulling something. Go somewhere else.
"if you do pull the doors off you wont have anyway to roll down your windows." huh what?
For the price of the Bronco Raptor, it needs the Hi-po 3.5 EB, with 440 hp and that 510 ft lb. As is, I am taking the RR all day, but in Cactus Grey. I would switch out the KO3's for 34" or 35" but understand keeping them in the meantime.
Just get the Procal Ford Performance tune for the Braptor for 455hp and around 540ftlbs torque...only $650. Have a dealer install to keep warranty..
@@deusvult6531 just saw that yesterday and glad Ford is offering it and rather inexpensively.
@@brianwinkler8183 It reduces the warranty by two years/ like 14,000 miles, so 3 years 36k miles. At least on the ranger raptor
The Bronco Raptor is just way too much money. The Wildtrak is almost as capable for $30k less.
The Red on the tires bugs me. Makes it look like a Toy. Should be pure black rims. It really clashes with the look.
the bronco raptor is selling way under sticker. picked my 2024 last week for 15k off MSRP.
i feel like i make halfway decent money and i could never imagine paying 90k for that
The Bronco Raptor is far better for high speeds off-road
Yes finally
I heard Ford will stop production on the Ranger Raptor for a good while.. What's going on?
the bronco is such amazing, and sounds more alive and fun, the thing is the price, but if it was at the same 68K it would be a steal for what it offers!
Jeep just drives bad day to day with the front axle for daily driving it is not great. The 10 speed is makes it faster than a 8 speed would be. There is a difference 93 octane almost a second faster than 87 octane 0-60. The car expert did a test of the difference in 87 and 93 octane in the Ranger Raptor. Watch the test it eye openning.
th-cam.com/video/1p28eQLtLgo/w-d-xo.html
Would any one trade a 2023 Toyota Tacoma trd pro for a raptor bronco. I almost did it today but couldn’t do it, and of coarse I needed to come up with an additional 55,000
In a heartbeat. The Toyota looks like a kids car next to the Bronco Raptor which is a beast.
@ well I did it lol. This thing is by far superior to the TRD PRO TACOMA, but I am not going to lie, the reliably factory is in the back of my head, I just can’t stop thinking Toyota is king when it comes to building reliable trucks
@@GARJENVETTE1congrats! I love mine. Reliable it isn’t though. Mine only has 300 miles and it’s cam phasers are already going bad. The idle is super rough.
@@alan_is_insane2343 come on you was not supposed to say that, I was expecting a reply about it’s reliable, and to calm down lol
@@GARJENVETTE1haha. Just preparing you. You have a warranty for 3 years!
90 grand for a Bronco raptor is insane the Ranger Raptors about 10 grand too expensive
nobody makes a "raptor " because they are not loosing money and negative in profits , well besides gmc chevy
I would take a branco verses a truck
Raptor Topher Twofor
The raptor bronco is way too big. You have to see them in person to understand. They are significantly wider than a ram 2500 power wagon. It is just way too excessive and basically renders the vehicle as useless for going on trails since it is too wide. Its just a show car.
Edit: if you want a real truck and off-roader than buy a power wagon for 20k less.
Wasn't meant to be going on narrow trails. No different than an F150 Raptor. Better mid US West Coast desert driving.
Want to go narrow trails? Buy a Jeep Wrangler..
Just sold my 24 Wrangler Rubicon X and bought a Bronco Raptor..
No comparison...
@@deusvult6531 Id much rather have a power wagon over all of those lmao. Kiddy toys for showing off versus a real truck.
ppl in the comments mad they can't afford a braptor
Ranger is more VFM
Sorry Ford, I only see $65-70k MAX for something like this. For $90k, I expect a V8 variant, but know that’s not going to happen. Also, for a $90k vehicle and seeing exposed plastic door handles? Come on.
Wont buy a bronco until the roofs are 100% fixed or warranty covered.
It seems like the Ranger Raptor rear end is always getting out of control as soon as you get on the throttle? I'd have to keep it in all wheel drive because that wouldn't inspire a lot of confidence in corners under power. That's the downside of trucks in general I suppose.
Reducing the Bronco Raptor tires from 37" to 35" would improve acceleration and braking performance, which would be welcome if mostly driving on the roads and trails.
Ranger R very bland looking.
But I just bought one anyway. Lol. Just for that 3.0
or you could have bought 1 G wargon lol with about 50k more
he says .if you do pull your door off you wont be able to roll down you windows LOLOL .. ya cause they are not on the car LOL
Front doors off, rear doors on - you’ll need window switches!
Bronco looks like a clown car.
driving these vehicles only on pavement is like getting a hunting dog and never taking it in the field. Compare the vehicles off road the way they were engineered.
first
@@Sticks1680 looks like someone didn't get first
@@DudethatGross you are the only one that cares
@@Sticks1680 clearly you cared enough to comment haahaahahahha
The horsepower is trash in both vehicles for the price...
You have to be an absolute clown to pay $90k for the bronco
@@ShaneCawthon 🤡
6:46 cam phaser rattle from that junk ass eco shit.