Update: Toyota released pricing on the TRD Pro and Trailhunter. TRD pro: $65k Trailhunter:$64k Hybrid Option (Excluding Pro & Trailhunter) : $3,700* You can get the Hybrid on TRD Sport/ TRD Off-road / Limited, and it will be standard with the TRD Pro and Trailhunter. While both trims see substantial improvements over the 23 TRD Pro, it is about $15k more for context.
I have a '22 Off Road manual and got it for $38k new. I configured a comparable '24 and it would be nearly $50k with taxes. And if you finance, the rates now are rather high, even from credit unions. I really like the new one but the price delta isn't worth it for me. Values for used 3rd gens are still staying high and I think they will for quite a while.
@@Realistick$50,000 max. I could Buy a new Tacoma trd pro outright right now. But every Tacoma and tundra are $10,000 over priced. No thanks. I have a feeling Toyotas resell value on these are going to tank.
Bottom line is they raised the prices 10K across the board from 2023 to 2024. That is not realistic and will back fire. Its way too much increase for a single year at a time when financing is much higher and many are already struggling with debt. Once the boomers and the stupid new adopters that will pay any price to be first is over you will see big discounts to move this metal. Especially since Toyota plans to increase production by a 100K/year.
Good, u might drive the new 4gen to compare the experience and lets us know, because I'm looking for v6 manual doble cab, but I haven't driven the 3gen, I know 3gen has more hp than 4gen in manual transmission
I was really looking forward to this next gen Tacoma with all the pre release hype. Sadly underwhelmed now that it’s out. My 2015 TRD Off Road doesn’t have all the latest gadgetry but it’s a solid, quiet, capable pickup that’s had zero mechanical problems. At an average of 19 mpg it’s not as good as the turbo, but it’s dead reliable and I can buy a lot of fuel for the price increase of the new Tacoma. Looks like I’ll be keeping mine for quite a while longer.
Its a better value. Nicer interior by heaps. Fully boxed frame with proven VQ engine tech and the only V6 NA on the market. You got struts on the hood, rear window standard, and more room in the back seat. Check out the reviews online that compare the two trucks side by side. The taco just looks so cheap when viewed next to a P4X. The interiors are a sea of hard plastics. And most don't have insulation under hood. They are loud and noisey. I mean you can get into a loaded P4X for what it costs for a bare bones Sr5. One is made with cheap Mexican labor in Mexico and the other in Canton Miss USA.
Thanks for the review Tyler, excellent as always . I would get the SR access cab, but I never see them on the dealer websites. Maybe in 2025 or I'll just get a new Crosstrek and be happy. My 1997 Tacoma will probably run forever.
Thanks! They’ll probably start making more base trim trucks here soon after they give dealers a bunch of the bulk selling models. I’ll try to review an SR when they get one to Indiana🤠
Mainly they went to a four banger to reduce c02 and to meet government mandates. I mean you even have 3 cylinders out there now. its pretty hard to get decent MPG's with heavy body on frame trucks. Really only two ways to do it. That is using a diesel or EV. Using petrol motors will always hit a wall as far as mileage. Because once these motors are in boost they suck it up. Just like a NA motor. But like I said that's not the reason they did it.
"and honestly it was enough for around town and even the highway so long as you have good depth perception." Toyota Landcruiser Prado drivers (in Kenya) felt that.
I drove a Prado in the Fiji Islands with the 3 liter D4D diesel and it had good power. I prefer that over the US GX version that used a 4.6 V8. You can't compare that 2.7 gas to the D4D. The diesel has globs more torque then that little gasser. The prado in Kenya must have been the gas version. That is NOT the one to buy.
I was looking forward to this new Tacoma with the possibility that I might buy one especially the extended cab but to my surprise some knuckle head at Toyota decided to do away with the rear access doors. Sure, the four door looks good but I don’t need four doors just a regular work truck. With the access doors it’s easy to put or remove a tool box from behind the front seats not with the new Tacoma. The price is another deal breaker for me it’s just too damn much for what little you get compared to last year’s model. When I watch the reviews on TH-cam about this new Tacoma it just sounds like Toyota paid these people off to convince everyone that this is the best new truck out there. Sure, I think Toyota builds great cars Toyota’s cars and trucks of old were the best out there and I’ve owned many Toyota’s and still do but this new Tacoma is not for me so no thanks.
Agreed, that was a frustrating move, they really tried to cut as many costs as possible. To be fair to the reviewers and Toyota, this drives SO much better and they kept the MT which I was excited to see. But it’s impossible to remain impartial and ignore the price and the reliance on packages for features that used to be standard.🥴
Those little doors can be a source for rattles and wind noise etc..... Plus it reduces the rigidity of the truck because it lacks the B pillar that crew cabs have. Believe me, there are far more positives with that design. And the fact they took out those worthless seats makes that area allot more functional to load items. At least Toyota offers the extended cab. FORD, GM, and Nissan all ditched it. Its the sole option left on the market.
Bought a 2020 Tacoma with the SX package new. Can’t stress how disappointed I am in this truck. For years I thought this was the pinnacle and what I found was a mediocre basic truck with so many QC issues I could be here all day whining. Never again
Ouch, I am sorry! I bought 2009 tacoma awhile ago only for the frame to rust out at an alarming rate🤒 Problems happen, Toyota has gone through and addressed several previous mechanical issues so Im hoping problems of previous generations won’t plague this one. And overall, the trucks have treated their owners pretty well (just not you or me😪)
@@protocolsev They addressed many long term issues. Mainly the lack of low end torque, and seating position in front seats. They did manage to make the back seat even worse. To the point that it's unusable. Biggest issue is the price points are 10K more across the board. Too much for a single year increase. Once new adopters get their fill these will be a hard sell at current price points.
If i trust any car manufacturer to get their turbos right itll be Toyota. My 2022 TRDOR suits me fine for now. Maybe in 4 or 5 years i'm a 4th gen buyer.
GM's turbo on the 2.7 is pretty good. That motor is built up like a diesel. And they got tech that keeps the coolant going on the turbo after you come off heavy boost and back to idle in a quick manner. GM has been using it for many years and it even used on the full size. Ford's 2.3 is also very reliable and proven. Toyota's on the other hand is the one that has not proven itself over time. I know that Tundra 3.4 uses Fords eco technology as they share their hybrid tech with Ford. They share those technologies. The 2.4T is also used on other Toyota's. I don't think any are bad. But don't expect to get 500K miles like the old Tundra port injected 5.7 None of their engines can last that long. Not anymore.
@HiPlains1 Not saying I don't agree with you but the Toyota 2.4L Turbo has been in production since the early 80s just not in a truck. I don't know enough about the GM 2.7 but given their recent lifter issues on their once tried and true 5.3 I soured on GM trucks.
The funny thing is that every dealership has them overpriced things on their lot and no one is buying them except the TH-cam clowns. Everybody wants the TrailHunter or Pro but it should be listed as a 2025 by the time it comes out. My loaded 22 offroad was 46k and that's a striped down 24 now. I love how you can make your truck on their website but can't get it built the way you want!! They need to take a lesson from Burger King!!! Not here's what you're getting and here's some BULL**** Port add-ons with that!!! 80$ charging cables or running boards that are junk. I'm happy that I own a third Gen.
Give it a few months and many regions will have the norm back to sticker. The inventory is starting to stabilize on the 2024s and the ones that are marked up won’t sell (remember, they sell a ton of these, it’s not a low production sports car). The price itself is more of a concern to me, and the fact that you need packages to get back some of the equipment that used to be standard. It stains the image of an otherwise awesome truck. I wish I was a TH-cam clown that could afford one🤒
@@Realistick For the price and performance Hate to say it chevy and ford have the taco beat and beat bad. They really didn't do anything different from the third gen except raise the price. Wheel spacers for two inches wider 17" tires for more ground clearance, Welded hitch to frame so you lose descend angle in rear. Disc brakes, for as much they added they took away. I'm not a fan of the mini-Tundra look. but keep up with the great content!!
@@cbayless4294I can’t say anything about the Ranger or Colorado (until I get them for a comparison) but I assure you, the new Tacoma did MUCH more than that! It honestly rides better than the Tundra or Sequoia (the latter of which I was really disappointed by). Glad you enjoy the videos!
@@cbayless4294Toyota has never been about being cutting edge and that is intentional. Saying they have Toyota beat is very subjective if you factor that in.
@@RedWingsninetyone It's a 3rd Gen with a new shade of lipstick that cost way more then it's worth. Can't wait for the pro or trail hunter price. I think there trying to get people to buy the Tundra's that are dying of lot rot!! for a few more bucks it would be the smart thing to do. I love my third Gen. Toyota missed the boat on the 4th Gen just not enough to even get me to want to look at trading in my truck for the new and improved one. All the improvements on the new truck I already fixed on my 3rd gen just like everyone else has. Heated steering wheel and rear defrost is the only thing I wished I had. So when are you getting the 4th Gen? I'd keep your 3rd!!!
I like the new design inside and out but I don't like what's under the hood. I don't know why Toyota didn't give the V6 a chance all they had to do is upgrading to it I have an 2018 and will keep it if I decide to give the new taco a chance
Yeah its the most expensive by a large amount. A full 10K more then the outgoing. And offers the least for your money with all the hard plastics used and omission of many features that used to be standard. Everything is an option now. When a SR5 costs as much as a loaded PRO 4X you have a wee bit of a problem rationalizing those MSRP's. I mean even a Canyon Denali seems like a good bargain when compared to these new tacos.
To me, Toyota is going down the same path the Ford Ranger went down in the 2000s. The Ranger was the best-selling truck and it's segment for a couple of decades. Ford kept thrown out the same basic truck for years and years, relying on people's past experience. The new Tacoma looks cheap, particularly the interior. So far, it looks like the new Ford Ranger and the Chevy/GMC are ahead of it. And if you want comfort, there's the Ridgeline. I don't see Toyota selling 230,000 of them a year, too much competition. My 23 3rd gen isn't perfect, lots of CQ concerns, I might be moving on to a different brand.
I’d agree that the last Tacoma redesign was a little lazy, however the new truck is a large step forward while also addressing some of the quality issues of the past (especially with the frame). I’m a little disappointed by the shrinkflation aspect while also seeing a price hike but they invested a lot of money into improving the truck too. I think the only way it loses its crown is if people simply can’t afford it (which is a possibility at this rate)
@Realistick The problem is the competition. The only real thing the Tacoma had over it's competition was reliability and quality. I'm just not seeing that with the new gen, and more people are in agreement with this now. As a professional detailer, the finish is even subpar, lots of contamination, orange peel in the film build is extremely thin. With my electronic paint thickness gauge, some areas were under 2-mils of film build. This is not acceptable, if a vehicle is kept outside in the hot, sunny climate, the paint is going to fail in that area within a few years.
I would be happy with an affordable naturally aspirated 200 horse power 4 cylinder. If I was intending to do any kind of serious towing, I would buy a bigger truck. I would rather see a bigger payload with less towing capacity.
Maybe they bargained. Keep in mind Nissan completely discontinued the Titan trucks, which were equipped with 5.6L V8’s. They only have the Frontier now which has a V6. However I believe they will adopt the Turbo-L4 in the near future, sadly.
24's really don't have bundles anymore with allot of features like the rear window that used to be standard on some trims. That's a separate charge on every trim. Everything is an option. To get a decently optioned offroad your looking at 55K. With the premium package your pushing 60K. Expect pros to start at 60K and go up to 70K. The interiors are a sea of hard plastics galore. The back seat is worse then before and the worst in segment. Its essentially unusable being its so cramped. They chose to move production to Baja Mexico utilizing cheap Mexican labor and providing nada benefits. Yet the average price of these things have soared over 10K at a minimum across the board. Also Toyota expects to increase production to over 300K /year. Which is over 100K more a year. I really can't see them selling that many at these price points. Believe me these are already starting to pile up on dealers lots. Like the Tundras they too will start to rot on the lots. You better believe it. Just give it a bit of time after the rich boomers and dumb new adopters get their fill and over pay for something that just does not reflect value at the given price. And the crazy thing is the hybrids are even out yet. That will add another 3-5K to price. Insanity. BTW, the Tundra hybrids don't sell. Because the added cost throws it over the top and it does NOT add additional MPGS. Just torque. Buyers don't see any value. Zero.
I partially agree though maybe we're in different countries as it takes a complete loss of control for me to spec one over 53k. Though the Pros and Trailhunters are probably going to demand 60k plus. Also, the Tacoma has been built in Mexico for awhile now, so it's not their first run at exploiting cheap labor :/ I can't see them selling 300k at these prices either but the truck is substantially better to drive in about every way and I think they deserve credit for that. I'm hoping that they experience some slow-down in sales followed by incentives and maybe a price drop for 25, but that might be too optimistic.
@@Realistick They pumped out 232K in 2022. GM/Frontier/Ford can't even put out 100K/year. Facts. Toyota is the one that leaked they will boost production to over 300K. And the way they are flying into the lots I'm pretty sure they will get close to that number. I agree the underpinnings are probably better. Because the outgoing was a mess. That six speed was a torque starved, early shifting, gear searching pile of crap. Test drove one a few times and never looked back. Also that sit on your ass with feet straight out was a joke. Ended up with a Frontier pro 4X from 2019 that was worlds better then that garbage every day of the week and twice on Sundays. When you compare this with a new Canyon, or third gen Frontier its really does not hold up. This by far is the most expensive in the segment now and option wise they offer less for more. Chevies 2.7 is a better motor offering more power. And its build like a diesel. Of course Toyota will offer the hybrid but the price points will be just stupid. Not worth it. Lil Kenny TV channel shows allot of trucks around 55K. And I've yet to see a off road with leather interior with luxury package but saw a limited for 55K that didn't even have leather. What I see piling up on the lots are the Sr5s. Mainly because its a hard swallow to pay 45K for a basic tacoma. Was not long ago that kind of money bought a loaded Pro.
@@HiPlains1 Ah, I see. If they ramp up production, then markups should die out at least but it'll still be hard to stomach. I'll have to see if chevy can send me Colorado for a week and I'll run a comparison. Until then, my eyes will stay peeled on the sales numbers for the taco!
@@Realistick Also remember They have two plants in Guanajuato and Baja Mexico. They have always had a ton more capacity then the competition. But with their new streamlined TNGA-K platform that combines many components across many models lines they have streamlined the manufacturing process significantly. Also moving the remaining US plant from San Antonio to Mexico should reduce costs even more. I'm thinking their profit margins must have shot up ALLOT. Because everything they are doing should reduce their unit cost. Yet here we are with MSRP's more then 10K more then a 23 if not more. Many are feeling Toyota is using their brand recognition to price gouge customers. I'm in that camp. Luckily there is stiff competition now and if the value ain't there people will look and buy elsewhere. Without a doubt, the new Tacoma has entered the realm of full sizes price points. I'm not taking about stripped down work trucks either. This kind of money gets you a 1500 silveado trail boss 4X4 with duramax inline six diesel. Just think about that. And it pulls up to 12K lbs.
@@Realistick Ben Hardy put out a video today comparing Ranger XLT FX4, Colorado Z71, Frontier P4X, and Toy Tacoma SR5. And they all cost the same money. It really demonstrates without question how over priced the fourth gen taco really is. I mean the SR5 is almost base with street tires etc... And it's at the same price point as a XLT FX4 or Pro 4X or the Z71. Man that video shows how little money buys when shopping toyota. I mean it puts to rest once and for all the the new Tacoma is priced similar to the rest. Not even remotely so. I'd say its easily 6K overpriced to the competition. And whats sad is the taco is the loan competitor that utilizes cheap Mexican labor. th-cam.com/video/C4gjeoBF7y4/w-d-xo.html
I completely understand, what I meant by that is we shouldn't just say "turbo scary, turbo bad, why have you forsaken me, Toyota." Even if toyota thoroughly tests cars before production, waiting a couple of years is the safest move you can make for any complete redesign. Does that mean people should slander the engine before it even has problems? No!
Honestly, test drove a TRD Sport, SR5, and, a TRD Offroad. The engine sounds like a Riding lawnmower with a CVT. The seats are improved, but the over all ergonomics are still garbage. It's not smooth transmission wise nor rpm wise. It rides like a truck. You might as well not even bother putting the other 2 doors on the back. Infotainment isn't anything special except for ridiculously large. Gauage cluster is small and information is hard to spot quickly. Of the 3 I drove, they all stunk of oil and coolant burning. The pop out dash speaker is pointless. All that aside, it's more powerful in the torque department. The seats are vastly improved. It's also $10k too expensive for each trim level.
I’m getting tired of hearing these stupid reviewers say”Let Toyota prove themselves” regarding the turbo 4. Please show me one turbo gas motor that doesn’t eventually have a turbo go out. Sorry, but it is the nature of the beast. No matter what, that turbo will eventually need to be replaced and chances are it will be sometime before 200,000 miles.
Update: Toyota released pricing on the TRD Pro and Trailhunter.
TRD pro: $65k
Trailhunter:$64k
Hybrid Option (Excluding Pro & Trailhunter) : $3,700*
You can get the Hybrid on TRD Sport/ TRD Off-road / Limited, and it will be standard with the TRD Pro and Trailhunter.
While both trims see substantial improvements over the 23 TRD Pro, it is about $15k more for context.
I'm sticking with my 22 until the wheels fall off. It's everything I need and I hate car payments so I can't wait to have it paid off.
Keep going I paid my 21 off . Never getting a loan again
Not having car payments is freedom. I am also keeping my 22 Tacoma till it dies.
You're going to be waiting a while - my 2004 is still running great.
I agree
I have a '22 Off Road manual and got it for $38k new. I configured a comparable '24 and it would be nearly $50k with taxes. And if you finance, the rates now are rather high, even from credit unions. I really like the new one but the price delta isn't worth it for me. Values for used 3rd gens are still staying high and I think they will for quite a while.
I’m genuinely curious what they think the Trailhunter is worth🤐
@@Realistick$50,000 max.
I could
Buy a new Tacoma trd pro outright right now.
But every Tacoma and tundra are $10,000 over priced.
No thanks. I have a feeling Toyotas resell value on these are going to tank.
@@Realistick Think 70K. If the MSRP isn't that high it will be once the dealer adds addendums.
Bottom line is they raised the prices 10K across the board from 2023 to 2024. That is not realistic and will back fire. Its way too much increase for a single year at a time when financing is much higher and many are already struggling with debt. Once the boomers and the stupid new adopters that will pay any price to be first is over you will see big discounts to move this metal. Especially since Toyota plans to increase production by a 100K/year.
Good, u might drive the new 4gen to compare the experience and lets us know, because I'm looking for v6 manual doble cab, but I haven't driven the 3gen, I know 3gen has more hp than 4gen in manual transmission
I was really looking forward to this next gen Tacoma with all the pre release hype. Sadly underwhelmed now that it’s out. My 2015 TRD Off Road doesn’t have all the latest gadgetry but it’s a solid, quiet, capable pickup that’s had zero mechanical problems. At an average of 19 mpg it’s not as good as the turbo, but it’s dead reliable and I can buy a lot of fuel for the price increase of the new Tacoma. Looks like I’ll be keeping mine for quite a while longer.
Bought 2023 trd pro. If I had to buy a truck in 2024 I’d get a Nissan frontier pro probably
Its a better value. Nicer interior by heaps. Fully boxed frame with proven VQ engine tech and the only V6 NA on the market. You got struts on the hood, rear window standard, and more room in the back seat. Check out the reviews online that compare the two trucks side by side. The taco just looks so cheap when viewed next to a P4X. The interiors are a sea of hard plastics. And most don't have insulation under hood. They are loud and noisey. I mean you can get into a loaded P4X for what it costs for a bare bones Sr5. One is made with cheap Mexican labor in Mexico and the other in Canton Miss USA.
Thanks for the review Tyler, excellent as always . I would get the SR access cab, but I never see them on the dealer websites. Maybe in 2025 or I'll just get a new Crosstrek and be happy. My 1997 Tacoma will probably run forever.
Thanks! They’ll probably start making more base trim trucks here soon after they give dealers a bunch of the bulk selling models. I’ll try to review an SR when they get one to Indiana🤠
@@Realistick I agree.
For all that development time/$$ you'd think Toyota could deliver better MPG. Real world, it doesn't even match the previous gen Ranger.
Mainly they went to a four banger to reduce c02 and to meet government mandates. I mean you even have 3 cylinders out there now. its pretty hard to get decent MPG's with heavy body on frame trucks. Really only two ways to do it. That is using a diesel or EV. Using petrol motors will always hit a wall as far as mileage. Because once these motors are in boost they suck it up. Just like a NA motor. But like I said that's not the reason they did it.
Even the dealership sellers themselves publish that they are very expensive
"and honestly it was enough for around town and even the highway so long as you have good depth perception."
Toyota Landcruiser Prado drivers (in Kenya) felt that.
I drove a Prado in the Fiji Islands with the 3 liter D4D diesel and it had good power. I prefer that over the US GX version that used a 4.6 V8. You can't compare that 2.7 gas to the D4D. The diesel has globs more torque then that little gasser. The prado in Kenya must have been the gas version. That is NOT the one to buy.
I was looking forward to this new Tacoma with the possibility that I might buy one especially the extended cab but to my surprise some knuckle head at Toyota decided to do away with the rear access doors. Sure, the four door looks good but I don’t need four doors just a regular work truck. With the access doors it’s easy to put or remove a tool box from behind the front seats not with the new Tacoma. The price is another deal breaker for me it’s just too damn much for what little you get compared to last year’s model. When I watch the reviews on TH-cam about this new Tacoma it just sounds like Toyota paid these people off to convince everyone that this is the best new truck out there. Sure, I think Toyota builds great cars Toyota’s cars and trucks of old were the best out there and I’ve owned many Toyota’s and still do but this new Tacoma is not for me so no thanks.
Agreed, that was a frustrating move, they really tried to cut as many costs as possible. To be fair to the reviewers and Toyota, this drives SO much better and they kept the MT which I was excited to see. But it’s impossible to remain impartial and ignore the price and the reliance on packages for features that used to be standard.🥴
Those little doors can be a source for rattles and wind noise etc..... Plus it reduces the rigidity of the truck because it lacks the B pillar that crew cabs have. Believe me, there are far more positives with that design. And the fact they took out those worthless seats makes that area allot more functional to load items. At least Toyota offers the extended cab. FORD, GM, and Nissan all ditched it. Its the sole option left on the market.
I like the new Taco and have a 2021 SR, if they continue to hold the value i will buy a new 2025 likely.
Bought a 2020 Tacoma with the SX package new. Can’t stress how disappointed I am in this truck. For years I thought this was the pinnacle and what I found was a mediocre basic truck with so many QC issues I could be here all day whining. Never again
Ouch, I am sorry! I bought 2009 tacoma awhile ago only for the frame to rust out at an alarming rate🤒 Problems happen, Toyota has gone through and addressed several previous mechanical issues so Im hoping problems of previous generations won’t plague this one. And overall, the trucks have treated their owners pretty well (just not you or me😪)
I’ll stick with my ‘23. Better looks and a proven drivetrain.
Yeah they fudged the front, should’ve used the same nose as the new 2025 4Runner
In all fairness, the 4th generation is not aimed at happy 3rd gen owners.
@@protocolsev They addressed many long term issues. Mainly the lack of low end torque, and seating position in front seats. They did manage to make the back seat even worse. To the point that it's unusable. Biggest issue is the price points are 10K more across the board. Too much for a single year increase. Once new adopters get their fill these will be a hard sell at current price points.
If i trust any car manufacturer to get their turbos right itll be Toyota. My 2022 TRDOR suits me fine for now. Maybe in 4 or 5 years i'm a 4th gen buyer.
GM's turbo on the 2.7 is pretty good. That motor is built up like a diesel. And they got tech that keeps the coolant going on the turbo after you come off heavy boost and back to idle in a quick manner. GM has been using it for many years and it even used on the full size. Ford's 2.3 is also very reliable and proven. Toyota's on the other hand is the one that has not proven itself over time. I know that Tundra 3.4 uses Fords eco technology as they share their hybrid tech with Ford. They share those technologies. The 2.4T is also used on other Toyota's. I don't think any are bad. But don't expect to get 500K miles like the old Tundra port injected 5.7 None of their engines can last that long. Not anymore.
@HiPlains1 Not saying I don't agree with you but the Toyota 2.4L Turbo has been in production since the early 80s just not in a truck. I don't know enough about the GM 2.7 but given their recent lifter issues on their once tried and true 5.3 I soured on GM trucks.
Nice review and camera shots!
👍😊👍
Thanks!
Now review the 2024 with the manual transmission, please!
I am very happy see you here, I am sure now you sold me the subaru forester four years ago, still loving the car, and you got a good price for us.
Awesome to hear! Sales feels like a decade ago🤕I’m glad that it’s treated you well!
Still amazing for me found you here. We got an outback last year try to find you. The salesman was good but not good as you.
The funny thing is that every dealership has them overpriced things on their lot and no one is buying them except the TH-cam clowns. Everybody wants the TrailHunter or Pro but it should be listed as a 2025 by the time it comes out. My loaded 22 offroad was 46k and that's a striped down 24 now. I love how you can make your truck on their website but can't get it built the way you want!! They need to take a lesson from Burger King!!! Not here's what you're getting and here's some BULL**** Port add-ons with that!!! 80$ charging cables or running boards that are junk. I'm happy that I own a third Gen.
Give it a few months and many regions will have the norm back to sticker. The inventory is starting to stabilize on the 2024s and the ones that are marked up won’t sell (remember, they sell a ton of these, it’s not a low production sports car). The price itself is more of a concern to me, and the fact that you need packages to get back some of the equipment that used to be standard. It stains the image of an otherwise awesome truck. I wish I was a TH-cam clown that could afford one🤒
@@Realistick For the price and performance Hate to say it chevy and ford have the taco beat and beat bad. They really didn't do anything different from the third gen except raise the price. Wheel spacers for two inches wider 17" tires for more ground clearance, Welded hitch to frame so you lose descend angle in rear. Disc brakes, for as much they added they took away. I'm not a fan of the mini-Tundra look. but keep up with the great content!!
@@cbayless4294I can’t say anything about the Ranger or Colorado (until I get them for a comparison) but I assure you, the new Tacoma did MUCH more than that! It honestly rides better than the Tundra or Sequoia (the latter of which I was really disappointed by). Glad you enjoy the videos!
@@cbayless4294Toyota has never been about being cutting edge and that is intentional. Saying they have Toyota beat is very subjective if you factor that in.
@@RedWingsninetyone It's a 3rd Gen with a new shade of lipstick that cost way more then it's worth. Can't wait for the pro or trail hunter price. I think there trying to get people to buy the Tundra's that are dying of lot rot!! for a few more bucks it would be the smart thing to do. I love my third Gen. Toyota missed the boat on the 4th Gen just not enough to even get me to want to look at trading in my truck for the new and improved one. All the improvements on the new truck I already fixed on my 3rd gen just like everyone else has. Heated steering wheel and rear defrost is the only thing I wished I had. So when are you getting the 4th Gen? I'd keep your 3rd!!!
Toyotas are tractors with Mercedes prices
The pre-2024's were much better looking trucks for less money.
Probably another homerun for Toyota, sad thing is that in Canada prices now start at $50k!!!!
Agreed, I think the only reason why they would have problems with selling them is because they've priced them out of people's comfort zones :(
My Gen 3 Sport hauls ass. Runs mint. The 3rd gen looks the best. That's my opinion.
How about a blow off valve for the new taco
I like the new design inside and out but I don't like what's under the hood. I don't know why Toyota didn't give the V6 a chance all they had to do is upgrading to it I have an 2018 and will keep it if I decide to give the new taco a chance
Gen 4 will prove to be the better buy in years to come.
This truck is “meh” …..thankful for competition in this category
Yeah its the most expensive by a large amount. A full 10K more then the outgoing. And offers the least for your money with all the hard plastics used and omission of many features that used to be standard. Everything is an option now. When a SR5 costs as much as a loaded PRO 4X you have a wee bit of a problem rationalizing those MSRP's. I mean even a Canyon Denali seems like a good bargain when compared to these new tacos.
They both too expensive. 😂 paid off my 21 never getting a auto loan again.
To me, Toyota is going down the same path the Ford Ranger went down in the 2000s. The Ranger was the best-selling truck and it's segment for a couple of decades. Ford kept thrown out the same basic truck for years and years, relying on people's past experience.
The new Tacoma looks cheap, particularly the interior. So far, it looks like the new Ford Ranger and the Chevy/GMC are ahead of it. And if you want comfort, there's the Ridgeline. I don't see Toyota selling 230,000 of them a year, too much competition.
My 23 3rd gen isn't perfect, lots of CQ concerns, I might be moving on to a different brand.
I’d agree that the last Tacoma redesign was a little lazy, however the new truck is a large step forward while also addressing some of the quality issues of the past (especially with the frame). I’m a little disappointed by the shrinkflation aspect while also seeing a price hike but they invested a lot of money into improving the truck too. I think the only way it loses its crown is if people simply can’t afford it (which is a possibility at this rate)
@Realistick The problem is the competition. The only real thing the Tacoma had over it's competition was reliability and quality. I'm just not seeing that with the new gen, and more people are in agreement with this now.
As a professional detailer, the finish is even subpar, lots of contamination, orange peel in the film build is extremely thin. With my electronic paint thickness gauge, some areas were under 2-mils of film build. This is not acceptable, if a vehicle is kept outside in the hot, sunny climate, the paint is going to fail in that area within a few years.
I would be happy with an affordable naturally aspirated 200 horse power 4 cylinder. If I was intending to do any kind of serious towing, I would buy a bigger truck. I would rather see a bigger payload with less towing capacity.
I’d take the new 2024 Tacoma with the turbo 4 cyl. 310ft lbs torque. It’s just too expensive.
how can nissan build a v6 that keeps biden's EPA happy, but toyota cannot?
Nissan will also be adopting the Turbo 4 power train soon
Maybe they bargained. Keep in mind Nissan completely discontinued the Titan trucks, which were equipped with 5.6L V8’s. They only have the Frontier now which has a V6. However I believe they will adopt the Turbo-L4 in the near future, sadly.
24's really don't have bundles anymore with allot of features like the rear window that used to be standard on some trims. That's a separate charge on every trim. Everything is an option. To get a decently optioned offroad your looking at 55K. With the premium package your pushing 60K. Expect pros to start at 60K and go up to 70K. The interiors are a sea of hard plastics galore. The back seat is worse then before and the worst in segment. Its essentially unusable being its so cramped. They chose to move production to Baja Mexico utilizing cheap Mexican labor and providing nada benefits. Yet the average price of these things have soared over 10K at a minimum across the board. Also Toyota expects to increase production to over 300K /year. Which is over 100K more a year. I really can't see them selling that many at these price points. Believe me these are already starting to pile up on dealers lots. Like the Tundras they too will start to rot on the lots. You better believe it. Just give it a bit of time after the rich boomers and dumb new adopters get their fill and over pay for something that just does not reflect value at the given price. And the crazy thing is the hybrids are even out yet. That will add another 3-5K to price. Insanity. BTW, the Tundra hybrids don't sell. Because the added cost throws it over the top and it does NOT add additional MPGS. Just torque. Buyers don't see any value. Zero.
I partially agree though maybe we're in different countries as it takes a complete loss of control for me to spec one over 53k. Though the Pros and Trailhunters are probably going to demand 60k plus. Also, the Tacoma has been built in Mexico for awhile now, so it's not their first run at exploiting cheap labor :/ I can't see them selling 300k at these prices either but the truck is substantially better to drive in about every way and I think they deserve credit for that. I'm hoping that they experience some slow-down in sales followed by incentives and maybe a price drop for 25, but that might be too optimistic.
@@Realistick They pumped out 232K in 2022. GM/Frontier/Ford can't even put out 100K/year. Facts. Toyota is the one that leaked they will boost production to over 300K. And the way they are flying into the lots I'm pretty sure they will get close to that number. I agree the underpinnings are probably better. Because the outgoing was a mess. That six speed was a torque starved, early shifting, gear searching pile of crap. Test drove one a few times and never looked back. Also that sit on your ass with feet straight out was a joke. Ended up with a Frontier pro 4X from 2019 that was worlds better then that garbage every day of the week and twice on Sundays. When you compare this with a new Canyon, or third gen Frontier its really does not hold up. This by far is the most expensive in the segment now and option wise they offer less for more. Chevies 2.7 is a better motor offering more power. And its build like a diesel. Of course Toyota will offer the hybrid but the price points will be just stupid. Not worth it. Lil Kenny TV channel shows allot of trucks around 55K. And I've yet to see a off road with leather interior with luxury package but saw a limited for 55K that didn't even have leather. What I see piling up on the lots are the Sr5s. Mainly because its a hard swallow to pay 45K for a basic tacoma. Was not long ago that kind of money bought a loaded Pro.
@@HiPlains1 Ah, I see. If they ramp up production, then markups should die out at least but it'll still be hard to stomach. I'll have to see if chevy can send me Colorado for a week and I'll run a comparison. Until then, my eyes will stay peeled on the sales numbers for the taco!
@@Realistick Also remember They have two plants in Guanajuato and Baja Mexico. They have always had a ton more capacity then the competition. But with their new streamlined TNGA-K platform that combines many components across many models lines they have streamlined the manufacturing process significantly. Also moving the remaining US plant from San Antonio to Mexico should reduce costs even more. I'm thinking their profit margins must have shot up ALLOT. Because everything they are doing should reduce their unit cost. Yet here we are with MSRP's more then 10K more then a 23 if not more. Many are feeling Toyota is using their brand recognition to price gouge customers. I'm in that camp. Luckily there is stiff competition now and if the value ain't there people will look and buy elsewhere. Without a doubt, the new Tacoma has entered the realm of full sizes price points. I'm not taking about stripped down work trucks either. This kind of money gets you a 1500 silveado trail boss 4X4 with duramax inline six diesel. Just think about that. And it pulls up to 12K lbs.
@@Realistick Ben Hardy put out a video today comparing Ranger XLT FX4, Colorado Z71, Frontier P4X, and Toy Tacoma SR5. And they all cost the same money. It really demonstrates without question how over priced the fourth gen taco really is. I mean the SR5 is almost base with street tires etc... And it's at the same price point as a XLT FX4 or Pro 4X or the Z71. Man that video shows how little money buys when shopping toyota. I mean it puts to rest once and for all the the new Tacoma is priced similar to the rest. Not even remotely so. I'd say its easily 6K overpriced to the competition. And whats sad is the taco is the loan competitor that utilizes cheap Mexican labor. th-cam.com/video/C4gjeoBF7y4/w-d-xo.html
I know you say to let Toyota prove itself with this new engine. I would rather someone else be the guinea pig, not me.
I completely understand, what I meant by that is we shouldn't just say "turbo scary, turbo bad, why have you forsaken me, Toyota." Even if toyota thoroughly tests cars before production, waiting a couple of years is the safest move you can make for any complete redesign. Does that mean people should slander the engine before it even has problems? No!
Honestly, test drove a TRD Sport, SR5, and, a TRD Offroad.
The engine sounds like a Riding lawnmower with a CVT.
The seats are improved, but the over all ergonomics are still garbage.
It's not smooth transmission wise nor rpm wise.
It rides like a truck.
You might as well not even bother putting the other 2 doors on the back.
Infotainment isn't anything special except for ridiculously large.
Gauage cluster is small and information is hard to spot quickly.
Of the 3 I drove, they all stunk of oil and coolant burning.
The pop out dash speaker is pointless.
All that aside, it's more powerful in the torque department. The seats are vastly improved.
It's also $10k too expensive for each trim level.
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Toyota can’t justify the outrageous prices in their new vehicles.
if it comes to Pick up Trucks, I think that the American Brands makes a better job as the Japanese.
I’m getting tired of hearing these stupid reviewers say”Let Toyota prove themselves” regarding the turbo 4. Please show me one turbo gas motor that doesn’t eventually have a turbo go out. Sorry, but it is the nature of the beast. No matter what, that turbo will eventually need to be replaced and chances are it will be sometime before 200,000 miles.
That jbl portable speaker battery will not last more than the cars warranty
Maybe? But it should be a cheap replacement if you want another.
Two steps forward and $10,000 worth of steps back.
No thanks.
Well, $3-5k worth of steps but that is true. Everything was essentially improved, but the sticker shock is real.
Im sorry but the portable speaker on the dash is such a joke lol. Seriously, who cares about that? lol
Too expensive? Naw, just too cheap overall……😳
I think i'll keep my 2022 Tacoma SR-5........ no way i'm buying a 4 banger turbo!