Taco loyaltist will always hate on the latest version, you cannot escape the price increase, true, there has been a lot improvements but at the end of the day has Toyota deviated from the core reason why buyers gravitated to the Tacoma?
This is not a joke 😐, driving my Tacoma getting onto the freeway and Tacoma not running more than 35mph and big trucks behind you are running around 60mph , THAT COST ACCIDENTS
Besides the TRD Pro and Trail hunter, the other trims are pretty equivalent in price and equipment to other competitors. The TRD Off Road is essentially the same price as the Frontier Pro4X. People forget that the Pro4X can be optioned up to 50k
The Tacoma is no longer competitive in off-road ability (Raptor/ZR-2), power(Ranger 2.7), or value (Frontier $12k less!). If this gen eventuallly delivers on traditional Toyota durability all will be forgiven.
Id agree that all of those trucks are a better value, but I think that you have to take a few other things into account. Just because some other brands can get front lockers, doesn’t mean the taco isn’t competitive. I’d even say that having sway bar disconnect compensates for that, especially since you don’t need the TRD pro to get it! The Frontier is much cheaper, but when they’re both stripped down, the difference is a few grand and you won’t even have power mirrors with the Frontier😂. The taco just gets outrageous when you start getting some real options. As for power, it’s enough, but yeah, the Ranger and Colorado give you more in most cases. It’s a pretty great truck to live with, if it turns out to be reliable, I think people will love it like the third gen… if they can afford it.
@@nastysoda9212spoiler alert it does lol. I own a 3rd gen sr5 4x4. It’s been resting since I got my taco sport last year fully loaded 50k out the door.. 11k miles and no issues whatsoever . Just lots of smiles ..
Don't count on it. Anything like these Tacomas being built out of Mexico will never match the reliability the brand was built on. It's going to be overpriced junk, and Toyota will charge crazy prices to cover the costs of the recalls and shoddy build quality.
With the amount of engine and transmission problems being reported in newer refreshed toyotas, it is concerning. Have heard about the manuals failing firsthand in the 2024 Tacoma. Also, having driven a manual 2024 tacoma, it is 'ok'. It drives like a truck. Big and heavy, lot of weight to throw around. Infotainment is huge and in your face, feels small inside despite being a large vehicle. I'm not in the market for a manual truck anyways even if it was cheaper, maybe if it was an option in the Ranger or Frontier (but sadly it's not). I do prefer smaller lightweight cars anyways, and I'm enjoying my 2020 jetta gli with long gears.
The Tundra recall was doozy, but Id also keep in mind that Toyota is a huge manufacturer and the relative amount of problems owners do experience, still keep them toward the top of reliability charts (they consistently place at the top with Consumer Reports on this, even now). I hope the Taco continues this and they get the bugs worked out🤕
The only new gen Tacoma or Tundra that somewhat holds its value are the TRD Pros and Trailhunter due to their limited production. All other trims price drop like a rock in used market
One thing is most important when it comes to truck buyers before anything else: Is it dead RELIABLE? Toyota has lead industry with their truck in this one aspect for decades, and sales prove that it is the most important factor when it comes to prospective buyers. Because let's face it, Anyone who has owned any previous generations of Tacoma knows that they were never that great in terms of quality: It is loud, amenities are minimal, wind noise is terrible, paint will crack if someone farts on it, gas mileage is just as bad as full size V8, engine is underpowered and automatic tranny is more of slush box, uneven panel gaps everywhere and rusts forming on 15 different water trap spots isn't exactly industry leading standards. But people still bought it and loved it because it was... reliable! Now with both Toyota trucks getting this many complains and recalls due to reliability issues this early, to me Toyota trucks have lost their charms and seem to be just as flimsy as other trucks on the market, but more expensive. Now I really cannot recommend anyone to buy new trucks from Toyota, though I am a Toyota fanboy who owns Camry, Tacoma and the new GR corolla, which has been a fantastic vehicles for many years(crossing my fingers on GRC to not suck on reliability, which I have not had any issues...yet.). They have tainted their brand name in truck segment and this will be hard for them to fix, but they need to do it sooner than later. Complex engines just have no place in pick-up trucks.
Nice to hear from another GR Corolla owner, and the Tundra’s recall was obviously concerning though Id firmly disagree that the new Tacoma has had enough complaints to warrant that kind of claim. A lot of trucks that sell less, have had the same or more problems reported with the nhtsa. It’s FAR too early to come to a conclusion, the engine has been good so far in each car that it’s been used in, let’s see if automatic problems persist and then we’ll have that talk!
@@Realistick I do agree with the sentient that it is quite early to tell, especially for Tacoma. But I also firmly believe #1 reason for Toyota's reliability is due to simple power train architecture that is over built minimizing error margin by not giving enough output. New power trains, including one in grc, do not share the same ethos. Time will tell, and with completely new engine they will have to prove themselves again. They have done so in the past with hybrid so there is hope, although even for hybrid it was always na counterpart that always proved to be more reliable.
It's made in Mexico with cheap labor.. and they expect us in the USA to pay $10k more over the last gen, for lower quality tacos with crappy paint and unnecessary gimmicks
Ding ding ding! The saddest part is, this is the way of the future. Mexico is set to become the new China of cheap manufacturing, and once-reputable companies are flocking to the cheap labor and real estate of Mexico... and then charging as if their products are coming straight from Germany.
Cool review. It's to bad the prices are crazy and we can't get a truck built the way we want it and are stuck with what the dealers have. Also the interior is cheap.
Id disagree on the interior feeling cheap relative to the segment but I do hope Toyota starts giving out some dealer incentives so more people can actually afford them. I don’t think the dealers will be able to gouge with these😂 Toyota is beating them to the punch.
It was pretty good for me at 6’3, even with the sunroof. If you have some thicker legs or a longer torso than myself, that story might change but Id still call the Taco tall person friendly
@@donalpoolarana-sk4iv Thank you for reporting it, I don’t think we will know how trustworthy the new truck is until it has some more time on the road but I understand the frustration.
I live in Indiana and have a 2024 SR 4x4 6MT you are welcome to borrow it to review. Not sure how to message on here, but reply back if you are interested. Based on where your videos look to be filmed, I live very close.
Just another display of the rampant contempt corporations have for customers. Build it with ever-cheaper labor, stick loads of unnecessary, computerized features on it, put everything customers are accustomed to behind extra fees, and charge obscene prices to cover the guaranteed quality problems derived from the aforementioned cheap labor and expensive features that will have to be fixed a couple months off the lot. Seen this business model play out enough to recognize it in the car industry. Your sticker price isn't worth the features you're getting, it's their slush fund to correct their exam answers after the exam is turned in. Buy the extended warranty... if you can afford to tack it on their insane price.
Junk transmissions already becoming a plague, TFL broke their diff, shock towers breaking, no real bump stops, television slapped on the dash, cartoon body, experimental turbo 4. What a dream for the fanboys to slobber over.
Ah yes, the experimental engine that’s been in several other models for a couple of years and is based on an engine that’s been in millions of cars for years (A25a), how dare they make us the guinea pigs🤬 The quickly resolved software problem that caused a broken axle, UNFORGIVABLE. 20 people out of 150000 have had issues with their transmissions in a truck that was just released… CALL THE PLUMBER BECAUSE THESE TURDS ARE BACKING UP SHOPS…
@@Realistick The Tundra engine was suppose "proven " top, said the engineers, and those are used in other vehicles too. The disaster started slow, but now it just keeps spreading, and Toyota is rolling out the recall in stages for damage control .The hybrid is the same, but they so far have excluded it because it's "safe" to pull off the road when it locks up. Eventually this will be the biggest engine recall disaster in history, and it started with only a trickle. The transmissions are next, and more WILL fail, as this is just the start. Tundra has had a few years for the issues to manifest. Sadly, as these trucks age, depreciate, word spreads, and they lose engines out of warranty, the cost of engine replacement will make them disposable totals, and j-yards WILL overflow with stinky TuRDs. Mexican soft Taco is already showing similar quality issues, and even fanboys are taking notice. They are so new that nothing can be said to be resolved yet. They're starting to do complete transmission replacement, yet like the engine, they're really not sure of the issue, so they just claim "debris" as usual. The fact that they de-tune soft Taco for the manual tells just how weak it is, yet Toyota scapegoats the driver for "operator error." But fanboys will continue to fan, and HELP Mother Toyota in her cover-up, and willingly pay to do so. Pure enablement. What folks won't do to have an external source of identity in a brand name.
The Tacoma’s engine is much, much more simple and again, based on a well proven model. There’s no comparison. And most small problems don’t turn into big problems, even if almost all big problems started from small problems🤓Though it really does not matter how I respond here. You’ll have your opinion, I’ll have mine, both of us are working with limited info. We’ll see what time has to say. Take it easy✌️
Wrong. Toyota never does anything right 😂 They get everything wrong from day 0 when they unveil their products. Otherwise the new Toyotas would be setting new benchmarks. But they’re not.
@@Realistick what does the Tacoma do better than the competition after waiting a decade for the redesign? You’d think they’d surpass all rivals after waiting that long But the reality is that it didnt really improve. The hybrids inefficient and way overpriced, interior is cramped, tech is still old, and now they’re having transmission problems on both the manual and automatic. And Toyotas not supposed to be known for that For the price of a Tacoma TRD pro you can get a Ranger raptor w 400hp or a wrangler 392
For a company that never does anything right, they sure are doing well on the sales charts. Weird correlation there. Some might buy them because of the logo and not do any research (bad idea) but that’s not everyone. Not every buyer is a sheep who doesn’t know anything like you seem to think. And Toyota having engine and transmission issues isn’t exactly new is it? The 2AZ engine is famous for oil burning, the 2AR engine is joining that boat because of poor maintenance, the 1MZ had that oil sludge fiasco etc. As for transmissions, the UA80 series transmissions (you should know a lot about these Naveen), had issues too. I could go on. But bottom line is, the issues going on now with Toyotas are occurring early on in the generation’s life. Give it a few more years and we’ll see how many of these issues still persist.
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Taco loyaltist will always hate on the latest version, you cannot escape the price increase, true, there has been a lot improvements but at the end of the day has Toyota deviated from the core reason why buyers gravitated to the Tacoma?
We are in totally new territory with this 4th gen.
It honestly shouldn't be called a Tacoma. Toyota needs to come up with a new name.
You earned yourself a subscriber due to how thorough, informative, and unbiased your reviews are 👍🏻
This is not a joke 😐, driving my Tacoma getting onto the freeway and Tacoma not running more than 35mph and big trucks behind you are running around 60mph , THAT COST ACCIDENTS
The price is what kills it. But that seems to be for all newer Toyotas asking Lexus prices for a Toyota.
At least for their new body on frame stuff, id agree. As good as some of them are, they’ve gotta be pricing out some loyal buyers🫠
Besides the TRD Pro and Trail hunter, the other trims are pretty equivalent in price and equipment to other competitors. The TRD Off Road is essentially the same price as the Frontier Pro4X. People forget that the Pro4X can be optioned up to 50k
The Tacoma is no longer competitive in off-road ability (Raptor/ZR-2), power(Ranger 2.7), or value (Frontier $12k less!).
If this gen eventuallly delivers on traditional Toyota durability all will be forgiven.
Id agree that all of those trucks are a better value, but I think that you have to take a few other things into account. Just because some other brands can get front lockers, doesn’t mean the taco isn’t competitive. I’d even say that having sway bar disconnect compensates for that, especially since you don’t need the TRD pro to get it! The Frontier is much cheaper, but when they’re both stripped down, the difference is a few grand and you won’t even have power mirrors with the Frontier😂. The taco just gets outrageous when you start getting some real options.
As for power, it’s enough, but yeah, the Ranger and Colorado give you more in most cases.
It’s a pretty great truck to live with, if it turns out to be reliable, I think people will love it like the third gen… if they can afford it.
spoiler, it absolutely does not
@@nastysoda9212spoiler alert it does lol. I own a 3rd gen sr5 4x4. It’s been resting since I got my taco sport last year fully loaded 50k out the door.. 11k miles and no issues whatsoever . Just lots of smiles ..
@@noxnyc23lol you paid 50k for a small truck
Don't count on it. Anything like these Tacomas being built out of Mexico will never match the reliability the brand was built on. It's going to be overpriced junk, and Toyota will charge crazy prices to cover the costs of the recalls and shoddy build quality.
I saw a neighbor’s brand new double cab long bed. Looked awesome. 50k, 2wd.😮
I love my 3rd gen dclb on King shocks.
The 4th gen cant compare
With the amount of engine and transmission problems being reported in newer refreshed toyotas, it is concerning. Have heard about the manuals failing firsthand in the 2024 Tacoma. Also, having driven a manual 2024 tacoma, it is 'ok'. It drives like a truck. Big and heavy, lot of weight to throw around. Infotainment is huge and in your face, feels small inside despite being a large vehicle.
I'm not in the market for a manual truck anyways even if it was cheaper, maybe if it was an option in the Ranger or Frontier (but sadly it's not). I do prefer smaller lightweight cars anyways, and I'm enjoying my 2020 jetta gli with long gears.
The Tundra recall was doozy, but Id also keep in mind that Toyota is a huge manufacturer and the relative amount of problems owners do experience, still keep them toward the top of reliability charts (they consistently place at the top with Consumer Reports on this, even now). I hope the Taco continues this and they get the bugs worked out🤕
The only new gen Tacoma or Tundra that somewhat holds its value are the TRD Pros and Trailhunter due to their limited production. All other trims price drop like a rock in used market
Another excellent review, Tyler. I would just get the SR extended cab, and the price is not bad.
Thanks, I agree, keep the options low and the value isn’t that bad relative to new trucks!
One thing is most important when it comes to truck buyers before anything else: Is it dead RELIABLE? Toyota has lead industry with their truck in this one aspect for decades, and sales prove that it is the most important factor when it comes to prospective buyers. Because let's face it, Anyone who has owned any previous generations of Tacoma knows that they were never that great in terms of quality: It is loud, amenities are minimal, wind noise is terrible, paint will crack if someone farts on it, gas mileage is just as bad as full size V8, engine is underpowered and automatic tranny is more of slush box, uneven panel gaps everywhere and rusts forming on 15 different water trap spots isn't exactly industry leading standards. But people still bought it and loved it because it was... reliable!
Now with both Toyota trucks getting this many complains and recalls due to reliability issues this early, to me Toyota trucks have lost their charms and seem to be just as flimsy as other trucks on the market, but more expensive. Now I really cannot recommend anyone to buy new trucks from Toyota, though I am a Toyota fanboy who owns Camry, Tacoma and the new GR corolla, which has been a fantastic vehicles for many years(crossing my fingers on GRC to not suck on reliability, which I have not had any issues...yet.). They have tainted their brand name in truck segment and this will be hard for them to fix, but they need to do it sooner than later. Complex engines just have no place in pick-up trucks.
Nice to hear from another GR Corolla owner, and the Tundra’s recall was obviously concerning though Id firmly disagree that the new Tacoma has had enough complaints to warrant that kind of claim. A lot of trucks that sell less, have had the same or more problems reported with the nhtsa. It’s FAR too early to come to a conclusion, the engine has been good so far in each car that it’s been used in, let’s see if automatic problems persist and then we’ll have that talk!
@@Realistick I do agree with the sentient that it is quite early to tell, especially for Tacoma. But I also firmly believe #1 reason for Toyota's reliability is due to simple power train architecture that is over built minimizing error margin by not giving enough output. New power trains, including one in grc, do not share the same ethos. Time will tell, and with completely new engine they will have to prove themselves again. They have done so in the past with hybrid so there is hope, although even for hybrid it was always na counterpart that always proved to be more reliable.
I don't care how much r&d they put into the turbo 4 cylinder, it will NEVER be as reliable as the 6 cylinder.
Good review! I’m going to order a manual once the 2025s come out.
It's made in Mexico with cheap labor.. and they expect us in the USA to pay $10k more over the last gen, for lower quality tacos with crappy paint and unnecessary gimmicks
Ding ding ding! The saddest part is, this is the way of the future. Mexico is set to become the new China of cheap manufacturing, and once-reputable companies are flocking to the cheap labor and real estate of Mexico... and then charging as if their products are coming straight from Germany.
Cool review. It's to bad the prices are crazy and we can't get a truck built the way we want it and are stuck with what the dealers have. Also the interior is cheap.
Id disagree on the interior feeling cheap relative to the segment but I do hope Toyota starts giving out some dealer incentives so more people can actually afford them. I don’t think the dealers will be able to gouge with these😂 Toyota is beating them to the punch.
How is the headroom? Tacomas have never had enough headroom for 6’2+ people
It was pretty good for me at 6’3, even with the sunroof. If you have some thicker legs or a longer torso than myself, that story might change but Id still call the Taco tall person friendly
@@Realistick appreciate the reply 🤙
No problem!
My 4gen Tacoma transmission got stuck in second gear ⚙️, and it's not in the TSB vin list.
I’m sorry to hear that, did you report it to the NHTSA? They usually update tsbs with more tsbs.
@Realistick yes I did, this tacoma 4gen will be nightmare like tundras engines
@@donalpoolarana-sk4iv Thank you for reporting it, I don’t think we will know how trustworthy the new truck is until it has some more time on the road but I understand the frustration.
I live in Indiana and have a 2024 SR 4x4 6MT you are welcome to borrow it to review. Not sure how to message on here, but reply back if you are interested. Based on where your videos look to be filmed, I live very close.
That would be awesome, I live in Bloomington! You can email me at realistickreviews@gmail.com
Very nice except for the engine and its transmission I would swap for a Frontier V6
Just another display of the rampant contempt corporations have for customers.
Build it with ever-cheaper labor, stick loads of unnecessary, computerized features on it, put everything customers are accustomed to behind extra fees, and charge obscene prices to cover the guaranteed quality problems derived from the aforementioned cheap labor and expensive features that will have to be fixed a couple months off the lot. Seen this business model play out enough to recognize it in the car industry.
Your sticker price isn't worth the features you're getting, it's their slush fund to correct their exam answers after the exam is turned in. Buy the extended warranty... if you can afford to tack it on their insane price.
dealerships are full of tundras they are rotting on the lot
Buy the extended warranty
it´s not bad and it´s not very good, something between.
Sounds like a tacoma 😂
@@mad-meh2719 😄
overpriced overhyped mpg sucks POS
Junk transmissions already becoming a plague, TFL broke their diff, shock towers breaking, no real bump stops, television slapped on the dash, cartoon body, experimental turbo 4. What a dream for the fanboys to slobber over.
Ah yes, the experimental engine that’s been in several other models for a couple of years and is based on an engine that’s been in millions of cars for years (A25a), how dare they make us the guinea pigs🤬 The quickly resolved software problem that caused a broken axle, UNFORGIVABLE. 20 people out of 150000 have had issues with their transmissions in a truck that was just released… CALL THE PLUMBER BECAUSE THESE TURDS ARE BACKING UP SHOPS…
@@Realistick The Tundra engine was suppose "proven " top, said the engineers, and those are used in other vehicles too. The disaster started slow, but now it just keeps spreading, and Toyota is rolling out the recall in stages for damage control .The hybrid is the same, but they so far have excluded it because it's "safe" to pull off the road when it locks up. Eventually this will be the biggest engine recall disaster in history, and it started with only a trickle. The transmissions are next, and more WILL fail, as this is just the start. Tundra has had a few years for the issues to manifest. Sadly, as these trucks age, depreciate, word spreads, and they lose engines out of warranty, the cost of engine replacement will make them disposable totals, and j-yards WILL overflow with stinky TuRDs.
Mexican soft Taco is already showing similar quality issues, and even fanboys are taking notice. They are so new that nothing can be said to be resolved yet. They're starting to do complete transmission replacement, yet like the engine, they're really not sure of the issue, so they just claim "debris" as usual. The fact that they de-tune soft Taco for the manual tells just how weak it is, yet Toyota scapegoats the driver for "operator error."
But fanboys will continue to fan, and HELP Mother Toyota in her cover-up, and willingly pay to do so. Pure enablement. What folks won't do to have an external source of identity in a brand name.
The Tacoma’s engine is much, much more simple and again, based on a well proven model. There’s no comparison. And most small problems don’t turn into big problems, even if almost all big problems started from small problems🤓Though it really does not matter how I respond here. You’ll have your opinion, I’ll have mine, both of us are working with limited info. We’ll see what time has to say. Take it easy✌️
Wrong. Toyota never does anything right 😂
They get everything wrong from day 0 when they unveil their products.
Otherwise the new Toyotas would be setting new benchmarks. But they’re not.
And so the Tacoma hate begins😂
@@Realistick what does the Tacoma do better than the competition after waiting a decade for the redesign? You’d think they’d surpass all rivals after waiting that long
But the reality is that it didnt really improve. The hybrids inefficient and way overpriced, interior is cramped, tech is still old, and now they’re having transmission problems on both the manual and automatic.
And Toyotas not supposed to be known for that
For the price of a Tacoma TRD pro you can get a Ranger raptor w 400hp or a wrangler 392
For a company that never does anything right, they sure are doing well on the sales charts. Weird correlation there. Some might buy them because of the logo and not do any research (bad idea) but that’s not everyone. Not every buyer is a sheep who doesn’t know anything like you seem to think.
And Toyota having engine and transmission issues isn’t exactly new is it? The 2AZ engine is famous for oil burning, the 2AR engine is joining that boat because of poor maintenance, the 1MZ had that oil sludge fiasco etc. As for transmissions, the UA80 series transmissions (you should know a lot about these Naveen), had issues too. I could go on. But bottom line is, the issues going on now with Toyotas are occurring early on in the generation’s life. Give it a few more years and we’ll see how many of these issues still persist.
@@austin.2716 sure they had engine issues. Unfortunately for your comment, that was 17 years ago… this is 2024. Not 2007
@@austin.2716 it doesn’t matter if they sell a lot. It doesn’t make them objectively superior in any way vs rivals.
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4 banger turbo junk!
I wonder how much Toyota paid for this post😊
Ikr. The Tacoma is DOA just as i predicted😁