"But I say to you, King of the Numenoreans, not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." - Arwen to Aragorn, just before his death.
I really need to buy the books. Until now I have contented myself with "The Hobbit". "The Lord of the Rings" and "The Silmarilion". now I crave to know more. Your post serves as an appetizer for more knowledge. P.S. Harry Potter (brilliant that it is in breeding a whole new genre) can kiss my Irish back-side. Tolkien was. is, and always be, the Master.
Stuck in the middle between the faithful and the king's men. I understand why the king's men originally felt as they did but I would also know that listening to Sauron or challenging the Valar could only have one end.
Loved playing War in the North co-op with my friend back in the day. But we often ended up triggering some of the game breaking bugs that wouldn't let us progress and that eventually led to us setting the game down and not picking it back up.
seems that the fear of death and lack of trust on the Valar (or Gods, or Universe) led many numenoreans astray - much like us real humans. raises the question: who is Sauron in your life? lol
@@chasecreamer727 True, but since Eru is very hands-off, the Valar almost fulfilled the role of a polytheistic pantheon (Greek/Roman or Norse for example), each with their different specialization.
@@gagaplex Yep. Tolkien did base some Norse tales and other material into his works, so the Valar, while akin to angels have more of an Olympus set up.
I mean we all know spoilers for Kings men and how they ended, so I think everybody will choose faithfull😁, Jake another great video love to see these old video's that made your old channel legendary, I mean thisis also great but....you know what Im saying Great video, just keep going!!!!!
I would probably be a member of the Faithful, I would remember that it was the Valar through Eonwe that empowered and enlightened the Edain and not Morgoth that gave the Numenoreans their blessings
I would have followed neither! I Think Halbrand is one of those Númenóreans who were already living on Middle Earth since the Times of Tar-Ancalimon's reign.
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
I doubt they are gonna be in the Amazon series.. You can see the two trees of valinor in the teaser picture and those trees were destroyed by Melkor and Ungoliant long before the Numenoreans existed.
A faithful numenor for me , why throw away such rich history of past glory and honor , just to become pawns to a dark being .. id like to b remembered as the small bit of faithful numenor until the end of times and how badass they were b4 sauran corrupted most of them
I say I’d be one of the faithful but fear does things to people. The fear of death much more so. I don’t blame the Kings Men for some of their choices as they were results of fear of death and there was a place only miles away that was barred from them where they in their ignorance thought they could claim immortality. It’s like telling someone who’s starving to death there’s a giant cake on the counter but they can’t have it.
In Tolkien's world, fear of death isn't an inherent feature of mankind though. It's a (albeit very old) element of corruption of Morgoth. For comparison, the dwarves are never depicted as dreading death (even though they definetly mourn those that died). They have no clear knownledge of what happens after, but they have a solid faith in their creator to have a plan with them afterwards. Such a faith is what can overcome fear. The Kings Men had rejected that sort of faith, and thus, by their own choice, all they had left was fear. Or at least, that's my reading and interpretation of it, though it is probably influenced by me sharing a lot of Tolkiens religious views.
Hey idk if u noticed but at 2:32 u have two different audios overlapped. Really tripped me out and threw me off of what u were sayin lol good video otherwise. ( reading thru the comments i see im far from the first to make you aware of this 😂 my bad )
Magic is a lot more subtle in LotR, magic could be simply in their speech, talking with a strong will and malice that made enemies lose hope as the Mouth of Sauron did, wich for a general or a king is a super useful power. But yeah they will not show up flying on brooms or casting magic from wands.
@@MrFantocan magic doesn't have to be the commercialized abomination that is Harry Potter. Take a look at Robert E Howard, Tolkien should have lifted even more from Howard than he did. Pelias the Sorcerer > every alleged magic user in Lord of the Rings
The magic in Tolkien's world is largely passive and operates in the background; usually manifesting in preservation or restoration for positive outcomes, and dread or hopelessness for evil purposes, etc. In other situations, it operates through the agency of artifacts such as the palantiri and special weaponry. More overt application of magic is still rather subdued, e.g., Saruman's Voice. Tolkien isn't like D&D, nor is it like any other fantasy I've read. It's more mature and as Mayla Brown commented, liberal use of magic with a lot of Hollywood flair would probably detract rather than benefit the stories. I don't think it would work well in Tolkien's legendarium. I believe Tolkien wanted to reserve great manifestations of power for the angelic hosts in his mythos, the Valar and Maiar. In a world as complex and varied as Tolkien's, liberal use of magic would cloud the distinctions between different classes of beings. This is my observation and not necessarily what Tolkien stated. When I was younger, I desired more magic in the LOTR and felt that was one of its shortcomings. As I grew older however, I realized why Tolkien abstained from too much magic in his stories. To a fantasy writer, overreliance on magic can be viewed as a crutch to support a lack in story creating ability. It's a fine balance Tolkien understood well.
I'm betting that they will paint the black numenorians as the obvious good for most of the season. Then closer to the the "bad guys" will be revealed as the actual good guys, like Eledil and Isildur.
I would definitely risk my life to help Isildur rescue a fruit from the Tree. I am one of the "modern-day" faithful. The church is under attack from politicians, main stream media, social media, the "swamp" and many businesses. I am sure the Faithful in Numenor were called traitors and worse to justify the sacrifices.
@ΤηεΒεστ ΟφΜε I don't know what country you are from but you are wrong. Christians are among the world's most persecuted people. Western countries founded on Judaio-Christian principles are using Covid-19 to try to ruin churches by breaking them financially. Christians are being doxxed and de-platformed and cancelled from their jobs and schools.
Could we consider the descendants of Castamir who fled to Umbar after the kin-strife - and then becoming the enemy of - Gondor also as the Black Numenoreans?
The term "Black Númenórëans" is only applied to those of the King's Men who resided in Middle-earth. The descendants of Castamir are not from this group, being just from the Dúnedain of the South.
The kings men, the elves get to live forever and men are given the “gift” of death. After a few family and friends died I would be bitter. Shame the game was removed from steam, not even GOG has it.
Never got to play that one, sadly. It's also a shame that the Battle for Middle Earth series isn't on Steam, as the second one also covers the War in the North. Battle for Middle Earth: Rise of the Witch King is probably my favourite real-time strategy game that's not part of the Total War series.
@@legionarybooks13 I’ve only played the Shadows of games, I’ve got far too many RTS games yet to complete. The new ANNO game is calling, but I don’t have the time anymore. They are massive time sinks.
The thing is; The elves are tied to Arda (even if they are killed, their spirit can't leave this world). And Arda, looking at it's history, SUFFERS. And the elves suffer with it. Whatever they held dear in that world, it will eventually fade, but they themselves remain. This is, I believe, what the kings men didn't understand; Remaining in this world, ultimately, means suffering. Even at it's best. Trying to cling to what you have (the motive behind the desire for immortality) is futile whichever way you go about it. Men get to leave all of that behind, and move on.
Neither. At least not at first depending on the powers that be. I would head east and travel there. With my long life i could learn much and maybe seek safe haven with Gil galad.
I’d follow my King then the Valar who live with elves. Why should I put my faith in the Valar when they do not live in the land of mortals they don’t not understand our struggles yet our king does and he would do anything for his people. I’ll gladly follow him to oblivion.
I would choose to be a numenorean because I wouldn't have a the life span of a normal man and I wouldn't be immortal either. I would be able to live for a long time but I would still pass on eventually.
I think I would be angry at both sides. Knowledge about men's afterlife was very scarce. Visiting elves from Aman seemed always in such perfect shape. The same elvish faces were remembered by all my ancestors, who instead of immortality experienced suffering and death. And on top of that the Valar (which I have never even see with my own eyes) decided that we can't sail west. So, as long as somebody explains to me exactly that land to the west is not as perfect as it seems, that it does not guarantee immortality, I would be pretty pissed off. I would think about the faithful as half-brain conformist, who do not seek key answers when these answers are vital to our survival. On the other hand, kingy and his creepy voodoo shaman. Weird rituals, rumored human sacrifices. Burning of the tree. Finally, attack on the Valar. I would think that if they really exist, which is probably the case, then our host will not be able to do much to them. I would prefer dialogue, seek for answers, than violence. Especially violence against someone way bigger than us. So, at the end I would probably not side with anyone in this conflict. And perish alongside many similar Numenoreans in an unexpected flood. Yay, thanks Eru!
If I remember correctly, Manwë sent envoys to Númenor when Tar-Atanamir was King and began to speak out against the ban, the envoys outright said that even if the Númenóreans could find the way to Aman it would not undo their doom, Tar-Atanamir remained unmoved and the split between the king’s men and the faithful began , so dialogue was made but was scorned by Númenóreans
In some things, there can be no middle ground, no dialogue. This was one such thing. The mysteries of the Gift of Men are meant to be mysteries by design, such that even the mighty Valar don't know the answers. The Eldar watch as the world they so love wanes and dies, their sorrow ever deepening, while we Men are gifted with something new. Our time on this world is fleeting and often filled with strife and misery, but our next world is promised us to be better. Each of us, Elves and Men, face our hardships, but only we Men can escape them while the Elves live forever in sorrow for a world that once was. Only those Elves in Valinor may have ease, but even they watch as the world they came from changes beyond all recognition or hope or help, until the end times. I am a Follower of the Valar. I know no fear of death, for I have the promise of a new life on a new world, free of hardship and sorrow. I have pity for the Eldar. All they love will perish forever, while they watch.
For me, the fall of Numenor is one of Tolkien's least sensible stories (from among many!). Very little of it makes any sense and characters have no core.
It could be considered racism by what some of the things men have done to each other but that shits just like real life history so dumbing it down would just be stupid
Speak as if you are talking in normal conversation. Your narration is littered with unnatural stops and unnecessary and distracting emphasis on words that don't need it.
@@TheBrokenSword If you are reading a script then that's not how you speak in conversation. You are adding full stops in your speech that you wouldn't put on the page.
Well I also wrote the script, so I did put the full stops on the page 🤣 But I do appreciate when presenting experts such as yourself drop by to lend your expert presenting advice. Can't wait to watch all of your videos and listen to your perfect presentation 😁 Thanks again!
@@TheBrokenSword Don't you mean. " But I do. Appreciate. When presenting experts. Such as yourself. Drop by. To lend. Your expert. Presenting. Advice. Can't wait. To watch all. Of your. Videos. And listen. To your perfect presentation".
I know it is not connected at all. However, this is a great metaphor of what Brexit has done to the United Kingdom which, if not physically sunken under the sea, internationally the respect certainly has.
@@jonathonfrazier6622 Britain is an unhappy relationship of occupied territories, led by England a country that takes its name from the collection of kingdoms that takes its name partially from the Angles because it is a country born from Migrants that now believes it is capable of standing alone, but still thinks the world should listen. Which is why both shops, supermarkets and petrol stations are unable to support the population and farmers are destroying their crops. It is worth noting that I only said that I saw links and only explained further when provoked by ignorance in others remarks. If anyone voted for this, let me give you the Sliw Clap for your help in ruining the country, economy and pulling the country apart. 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 And I didn't even mention the 4% inflation rise...
2:32 When someone forgets to mute during a Zoom meeting
Oops. Haha
I was gonna say, what happed there
It's like Galadriel speaking to the group and telepathically welcoming frodo at the same time
I thought something was wrong with my phone for a second.
Frodo thought something was wrong with his _brain_ for a second.
literally having a cone, and tripped balls at 2:34 when there was 2 different voice overs lmao, great video though bro!
Same! I almost shit myself
"But I say to you, King of the Numenoreans, not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." - Arwen to Aragorn, just before his death.
I really need to buy the books. Until now I have contented myself with "The Hobbit". "The Lord of the Rings" and "The Silmarilion". now I crave to know more. Your post serves as an appetizer for more knowledge. P.S. Harry Potter (brilliant that it is in breeding a whole new genre) can kiss my Irish back-side. Tolkien was. is, and always be, the Master.
CLAN ORDO FOREVER!
Stuck in the middle between the faithful and the king's men. I understand why the king's men originally felt as they did but I would also know that listening to Sauron or challenging the Valar could only have one end.
Valinor having a literal “No Mooring : Private Dock” sign is now my official head canon.
“Sorry folks, blessed realm is closed; moose out front should’ve told ya”
It's the human sacrifice that would keep me from being part of the King's Men.
All the more reason to join!
@@sampeeps3371 Hear, hear!
Looks like the Faithful are back on the menu, boys!! _[raucous cheering]_
Love when there’s numenor videos such an amazing story and part of the Tolkien world.
Loved playing War in the North co-op with my friend back in the day. But we often ended up triggering some of the game breaking bugs that wouldn't let us progress and that eventually led to us setting the game down and not picking it back up.
These videos have made LOTR more interesting.
Keep up the good work
Thank you dude, you always have me captivated with the amazing content.
Glad you enjoy it! :D
I have a feeling we are going to get many new types of characters in these new shows
The potential new characters don't worry me as much as what the script might have characters saying.....
seems that the fear of death and lack of trust on the Valar (or Gods, or Universe) led many numenoreans astray - much like us real humans. raises the question: who is Sauron in your life? lol
They were more like angels since Eru is called the one God.
@@chasecreamer727 True, but since Eru is very hands-off, the Valar almost fulfilled the role of a polytheistic pantheon (Greek/Roman or Norse for example), each with their different specialization.
@@gagaplex Yep. Tolkien did base some Norse tales and other material into his works, so the Valar, while akin to angels have more of an Olympus set up.
At about 2:30 there’s an editing issue with overlapping narration
great video, even if there is a minor editing issue at about 2:30 :)
Yeah... whoops.
@@TheBrokenSword dw still a great video
Don't fix 2:32. Editing goofs make it more fun to watch.
Hey just a heads up, 2:35 your audio for some reason seems to double up from the audio at 2:45. Seems the 2:45 segment is layered in 10 seconds prior.
Yeah... woops 😅
Man ur videos are amazing could u possibly make one about the orcs of Gundabad and how they are different
I mean we all know spoilers for Kings men and how they ended, so I think everybody will choose faithfull😁, Jake another great video love to see these old video's that made your old channel legendary, I mean thisis also great but....you know what Im saying
Great video, just keep going!!!!!
I saw Return of the King in 4k at the cinema on Monday. They are showing the films in the UK. It was BEAUTIFUL.
At the 2:30 point there is briefly a second voice track overlapping the main one.....
I'd be one of the Faithfull. I've always played Paladins or Clerics in D&D.
paladin oathbreaker is always an option
Dwarven fightin' cleric is my jam
Cringe
I would probably be a member of the Faithful, I would remember that it was the Valar through Eonwe that empowered and enlightened the Edain and not Morgoth that gave the Numenoreans their blessings
Why do the Black Numenoreans always look like Cenobites?
Idk but I like it
The temptation of immortal would be a difficult one, but I believe I would hold my morals and be faithful to the Valar.
Same here
Fantastic once again.
I've recently started playing war in the north again. It more than stands up compare to games today.
I'd be whispering in the king's ears. waaay more malicious than Sauron.
Canon or not ,shadow of war series did produce some good concepts for the antagonists of middle earth
I hear an audio issue at 2:34
I would have followed neither! I Think Halbrand is one of those Númenóreans who were already living on Middle Earth since the Times of Tar-Ancalimon's reign.
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
id be one of the faithful :) great video once agaaaiiin
Eldar into Dark Eldar? GW is going to go back in time and sue Tolkien.
I doubt they are gonna be in the Amazon series..
You can see the two trees of valinor in the teaser picture and those trees were destroyed by Melkor and Ungoliant long before the Numenoreans existed.
According to Amazon Miriel is literally a black Nimenorean.
I love The Tower from the Shadows of Mordor games,
I also would have been one of the faithful.
What is going on at 2:33. 2 sound bits on going on at once
Yes, editing error. Apologies
welcome, frodo of the SHIRE
A faithful numenor for me , why throw away such rich history of past glory and honor , just to become pawns to a dark being .. id like to b remembered as the small bit of faithful numenor until the end of times and how badass they were b4 sauran corrupted most of them
Woah.....you guys mentioned agandaur yeah... I love that guy as much as the witch king or mouth of sauron even if he isn’t canon.
Yeah he was a really cool character! :D
2:30 lmao little fade
Awesome video!
Thanks! :)
@@TheBrokenSword u welcome!
I say I’d be one of the faithful but fear does things to people. The fear of death much more so. I don’t blame the Kings Men for some of their choices as they were results of fear of death and there was a place only miles away that was barred from them where they in their ignorance thought they could claim immortality. It’s like telling someone who’s starving to death there’s a giant cake on the counter but they can’t have it.
In Tolkien's world, fear of death isn't an inherent feature of mankind though. It's a (albeit very old) element of corruption of Morgoth.
For comparison, the dwarves are never depicted as dreading death (even though they definetly mourn those that died).
They have no clear knownledge of what happens after, but they have a solid faith in their creator to have a plan with them afterwards. Such a faith is what can overcome fear.
The Kings Men had rejected that sort of faith, and thus, by their own choice, all they had left was fear.
Or at least, that's my reading and interpretation of it, though it is probably influenced by me sharing a lot of Tolkiens religious views.
In rise to war what sever, faction, and fellowship are you guys in?
Hey idk if u noticed but at 2:32 u have two different audios overlapped. Really tripped me out and threw me off of what u were sayin lol good video otherwise. ( reading thru the comments i see im far from the first to make you aware of this 😂 my bad )
2:32 - 2:34 might be an audio/editing error because your narration overlaps and there are two voices speaking at once. Just a heads up bud.
Other wise great video :) Wish it was longer tbh I can never get enough lore.
Kings men here all day!
2:32-2:35 major audio glitch.
Oh, I WISH I could get my hands on a copy of War in the North. Had it for PS3 and then lost it. LOST! The PRECIOUS is LOST!
I bet Sauron has the worst reviews in Tripadvisor
Of course, I would want to be one of the Faithful, but I likely would have become a Kingsman. The draw of potential immortality is extremely enticing.
I can't wait until they show that psycho dark lord Sauron on Amazon Prime 😬 I hope they have a good musical score for his opening scenes.
I love how Tolkien described Black Numenoreans as " sorcerers" and then failed to show any of their magic (see the Mouth of Sauron)
Cursed weapons, undead mounts, immortality.
Magic is a lot more subtle in LotR, magic could be simply in their speech, talking with a strong will and malice that made enemies lose hope as the Mouth of Sauron did, wich for a general or a king is a super useful power.
But yeah they will not show up flying on brooms or casting magic from wands.
@@MrFantocan That takes away alot from the potential of the world as a whole i believe, magic use i mean
@@MrFantocan magic doesn't have to be the commercialized abomination that is Harry Potter. Take a look at Robert E Howard, Tolkien should have lifted even more from Howard than he did. Pelias the Sorcerer > every alleged magic user in Lord of the Rings
The magic in Tolkien's world is largely passive and operates in the background; usually manifesting in preservation or restoration for positive outcomes, and dread or hopelessness for evil purposes, etc. In other situations, it operates through the agency of artifacts such as the palantiri and special weaponry. More overt application of magic is still rather subdued, e.g., Saruman's Voice. Tolkien isn't like D&D, nor is it like any other fantasy I've read. It's more mature and as Mayla Brown commented, liberal use of magic with a lot of Hollywood flair would probably detract rather than benefit the stories. I don't think it would work well in Tolkien's legendarium.
I believe Tolkien wanted to reserve great manifestations of power for the angelic hosts in his mythos, the Valar and Maiar. In a world as complex and varied as Tolkien's, liberal use of magic would cloud the distinctions between different classes of beings. This is my observation and not necessarily what Tolkien stated. When I was younger, I desired more magic in the LOTR and felt that was one of its shortcomings. As I grew older however, I realized why Tolkien abstained from too much magic in his stories. To a fantasy writer, overreliance on magic can be viewed as a crutch to support a lack in story creating ability. It's a fine balance Tolkien understood well.
I'm betting that they will paint the black numenorians as the obvious good for most of the season. Then closer to the the "bad guys" will be revealed as the actual good guys, like Eledil and Isildur.
I'd be a Hobbit and keep to my Hobbit things like growing gardens and smoking pipe weed.
This a blessed life
You have birdie poop all over your hair and beard?
It's quite sad that they couldn't retain their independence and became mere pawns in the end.
Were there some black numenoreans among the easterlings?
They were a heavy metal band that escaped from their parents garage
Wow, no mention of how the gondor Civil War gve more numenorean descendants to umbar
awesome cool video Jake loved it
I'm hearing double here....4 Krustys!
How easy humans give up on their gods, as one of the faithful, I believe I can say I would have remained one of the Numernorean faithful.
Mairon would have twisted you too 😂
I would definitely risk my life to help Isildur rescue a fruit from the Tree. I am one of the "modern-day" faithful. The church is under attack from politicians, main stream media, social media, the "swamp" and many businesses. I am sure the Faithful in Numenor were called traitors and worse to justify the sacrifices.
@ΤηεΒεστ ΟφΜε
I don't know what country you are from but you are wrong. Christians are among the world's most persecuted people. Western countries founded on Judaio-Christian principles are using Covid-19 to try to ruin churches by breaking them financially. Christians are being doxxed and de-platformed and cancelled from their jobs and schools.
Cringe
Pirates. Next question
Could we consider the descendants of Castamir who fled to Umbar after the kin-strife - and then becoming the enemy of - Gondor also as the Black Numenoreans?
The term "Black Númenórëans" is only applied to those of the King's Men who resided in Middle-earth.
The descendants of Castamir are not from this group, being just from the Dúnedain of the South.
The faithful because the kingsmen want chaos.
The kings men, the elves get to live forever and men are given the “gift” of death.
After a few family and friends died I would be bitter.
Shame the game was removed from steam, not even GOG has it.
Never got to play that one, sadly. It's also a shame that the Battle for Middle Earth series isn't on Steam, as the second one also covers the War in the North. Battle for Middle Earth: Rise of the Witch King is probably my favourite real-time strategy game that's not part of the Total War series.
@@legionarybooks13 I’ve only played the Shadows of games, I’ve got far too many RTS games yet to complete.
The new ANNO game is calling, but I don’t have the time anymore. They are massive time sinks.
The thing is; The elves are tied to Arda (even if they are killed, their spirit can't leave this world). And Arda, looking at it's history, SUFFERS. And the elves suffer with it.
Whatever they held dear in that world, it will eventually fade, but they themselves remain.
This is, I believe, what the kings men didn't understand; Remaining in this world, ultimately, means suffering. Even at it's best. Trying to cling to what you have (the motive behind the desire for immortality) is futile whichever way you go about it.
Men get to leave all of that behind, and move on.
💯
Neither. At least not at first depending on the powers that be. I would head east and travel there. With my long life i could learn much and maybe seek safe haven with Gil galad.
“Only the Faithful!”
I’d follow my King then the Valar who live with elves. Why should I put my faith in the Valar when they do not live in the land of mortals they don’t not understand our struggles yet our king does and he would do anything for his people. I’ll gladly follow him to oblivion.
You missed the Corsairs of Umbar, which were Numenoreans.
Def be loyal to the Valar but it is bs that the the children of Elros could not decide if they if they can be elf or man
I would choose to be a numenorean because I wouldn't have a the life span of a normal man and I wouldn't be immortal either. I would be able to live for a long time but I would still pass on eventually.
Bit of a hiccup at 2:34
Lord of the Rings War in the North rules 💯👍💯
2:30 - 2:40 he has 2 voice recording playing at same time very very disorienting haha
I would be still faithful to the valar
Who are the black Numenoreans? ez they are the actors cast in Amazons Ring of Power as Numenoreans
Feel funny to say as a non-religious, but I would probably be a Faithfull. Give me a cozy home and a woodshop and I'll be content
Mouth of Sauron👌
I think I would be angry at both sides.
Knowledge about men's afterlife was very scarce. Visiting elves from Aman seemed always in such perfect shape. The same elvish faces were remembered by all my ancestors, who instead of immortality experienced suffering and death. And on top of that the Valar (which I have never even see with my own eyes) decided that we can't sail west. So, as long as somebody explains to me exactly that land to the west is not as perfect as it seems, that it does not guarantee immortality, I would be pretty pissed off. I would think about the faithful as half-brain conformist, who do not seek key answers when these answers are vital to our survival.
On the other hand, kingy and his creepy voodoo shaman. Weird rituals, rumored human sacrifices. Burning of the tree. Finally, attack on the Valar. I would think that if they really exist, which is probably the case, then our host will not be able to do much to them. I would prefer dialogue, seek for answers, than violence. Especially violence against someone way bigger than us.
So, at the end I would probably not side with anyone in this conflict. And perish alongside many similar Numenoreans in an unexpected flood. Yay, thanks Eru!
Yes. Eru killing all the children of Numenor doesn't seem that good to me.
If I remember correctly, Manwë sent envoys to Númenor when Tar-Atanamir was King and began to speak out against the ban, the envoys outright said that even if the Númenóreans could find the way to Aman it would not undo their doom, Tar-Atanamir remained unmoved and the split between the king’s men and the faithful began , so dialogue was made but was scorned by Númenóreans
In some things, there can be no middle ground, no dialogue. This was one such thing. The mysteries of the Gift of Men are meant to be mysteries by design, such that even the mighty Valar don't know the answers. The Eldar watch as the world they so love wanes and dies, their sorrow ever deepening, while we Men are gifted with something new. Our time on this world is fleeting and often filled with strife and misery, but our next world is promised us to be better. Each of us, Elves and Men, face our hardships, but only we Men can escape them while the Elves live forever in sorrow for a world that once was. Only those Elves in Valinor may have ease, but even they watch as the world they came from changes beyond all recognition or hope or help, until the end times. I am a Follower of the Valar. I know no fear of death, for I have the promise of a new life on a new world, free of hardship and sorrow. I have pity for the Eldar. All they love will perish forever, while they watch.
Faithful
If there were black Numenoreans in the books, why is there a fuss about Amazon casting black actors?
They aren't black though
@@bruhpppoopoo8268 Well, now they are!
Day 3 requesting a video on the men of the east
We will try and get to it soon :)
I would be one of the faithful
For me, the fall of Numenor is one of Tolkien's least sensible stories (from among many!). Very little of it makes any sense and characters have no core.
What specifically about the fall of Númenor do you find lacking sense?
Everything is explained pretty well Sauron had thr power to sway the kings mind and many were jealous of the Valar and elves in general
I’m pretty sure PC culture requires the title to be changed to “Numenoreans of darker complexion”
I dread to think what J R R Tolkien's view of "PC culture" would be!!
Don't you mean... African-American Numenoreans?
The elitism of the Valor is what bred the resentment.
None of this was the Valars choice.
They were in no position to grant immortality (which is what the Kings Men failed to grasp).
Video 41 + the exclusive members stream that I can't see
Waiting for the screams of ‘racism’ from non book readers.
It could be considered racism by what some of the things men have done to each other but that shits just like real life history so dumbing it down would just be stupid
i already saw one comment.
Trump and his acolytes...... so much of what you say.
and why is that?
Speak as if you are talking in normal conversation. Your narration is littered with unnatural stops and unnecessary and distracting emphasis on words that don't need it.
Well you would hate to talk to me because that's how I talk 🤣
@@TheBrokenSword If you are reading a script then that's not how you speak in conversation. You are adding full stops in your speech that you wouldn't put on the page.
Well I also wrote the script, so I did put the full stops on the page 🤣
But I do appreciate when presenting experts such as yourself drop by to lend your expert presenting advice. Can't wait to watch all of your videos and listen to your perfect presentation 😁
Thanks again!
@@TheBrokenSword Don't you mean. " But I do. Appreciate. When presenting experts. Such as yourself. Drop by. To lend. Your expert. Presenting. Advice. Can't wait. To watch all. Of your. Videos. And listen. To your perfect presentation".
I know it is not connected at all. However, this is a great metaphor of what Brexit has done to the United Kingdom which, if not physically sunken under the sea, internationally the respect certainly has.
Go away. This isn’t the channel for that.
Can’t we just enjoy something we have common ground on?
@@mrmagoo-i2l that is why it was prefixed with "I know it is not connected at all..." ignoring it is possibly best to do.
@@dambrooks7578 You are still doing it. Go to a political channel, there are plenty out there.
So.... you mean continental Europe is the rightful rulers of Britain? Thats just wrong. And Im not even British. Britain did the right thing.
@@jonathonfrazier6622 Britain is an unhappy relationship of occupied territories, led by England a country that takes its name from the collection of kingdoms that takes its name partially from the Angles because it is a country born from Migrants that now believes it is capable of standing alone, but still thinks the world should listen. Which is why both shops, supermarkets and petrol stations are unable to support the population and farmers are destroying their crops.
It is worth noting that I only said that I saw links and only explained further when provoked by ignorance in others remarks. If anyone voted for this, let me give you the Sliw Clap for your help in ruining the country, economy and pulling the country apart. 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
And I didn't even mention the 4% inflation rise...
Sorry guys, but it's becoming kind of boring to always watch the same videos. Could you please do something new?
Faithful