I have long felt close to Thomas More since I lived on Paultons Square, SW3, which had been land he owned. He was taken from there and sent down the river to his eventual execution.
I feel sorry for Lady Jane Grey. She didn’t want the crown and only took it under pressure. And I also feel for Sir Thomas Moore getting executed, especially as he was a father figure to Henry VIII. Thanks again for another wonderful video! I can’t get enough of these daily videos xoxo
What a gift you are to us. Thank you , love how you brought Edward to life if just for a few moments. One of your commenters mentioned a side effect of small pox is the sloughing away of the lung lining, leaving scars as on the skin, subsequently drowning in their own fluid. Horror. Painful.
Oh what a day in history. Thank you for bringing Edward and Jane to life through their words. Putting agreeing or disagreeing with Edward's choice of next in line for the throne aside, quite a man way beyond his teenage years he was. Can only imagine what his reign would have been like had he reached actual adulthood.
@@pbohearn She was a relative, and about Fifth in line for the throne if I remember right. See Claire's description of the video above. Edward VI was disinclined to leave the throne to his half-sisters, especially with Mary being Catholic. Lady Jane was non Catholic, but Edward and his councilors for all their legalisms hadn't thought things out enough. Clearly, to keep Mary and Elizabeth away, he would have needed a much more cunning plan.
For whatever reason, I always thought that Edward VI had always been sickly. I didn't realize that it was actually a recent (from the previous year) illness. Thank you for clearing up that historical inaccuracy of mine. As always love the videos!
There has been much discussion about what actually killed Edward VI. Tuberculosis has been suggested. I was recently reminded that what smallpox does to the skin is also done to the epithelial cells of internal organs. One way smallpox killed was when the damaged and putrefied material from the linings of the lungs sloughed off, the victim drowned in his own fluids. My point is, Edward never fully recovered from having smallpox and measles the year or so before his actual death. The descriptions of Edward's illness are truly horrific, describing what must have been great putrefaction in the lungs. Perhaps the origin of the trouble was scarring of the lungs by smallpox. It always amazes me how little power those monarchs of old really had. Edward was king but he could not change the succession. Kings and Queens had to be accepted by nobles and to a certain extent, the people before they could rule. I always thought it went by genealogy, who was closest in line got it and if someone objected, there was war. It sounds like Edward believed the story that Anne Boleyn was an adulteress. This must have been pounded into his head by his Seymour relatives. It is a weak legal argument though, that Princess Elizabeth was half-blood because her mother was executed for adultery. Ridiculous!
You actually made me change my mind about Anne Boleyn's father, but I still find it hard to believe that Jane Grey's father was unaware he was actually putting his daughter's life in great danger, by starting a rebellion, rather than effectively saving her. I hope it's just because I lack information on the matter, as it happened to me with Thomas Boleyn.
Claire you are incredible . Your historical information and viewpoints are so captivating. I've become addicted to The Tudor Society videos. Thanks for all your work, and I bought two of the books and they are equally fabulous entertainment.
Tudor history is my thing too! I appreciate all your hard work researching (* Is it work if its what you love) Thank you for the Truth and the real story of this time and people. I'm hooked! Someday I hope to see it for myself. Thank you Claire!
Okay a long video might be a bit much. However have you considered 2 videos for busy Tudor days? Yesterday was a treat even though was because of an I'll informed comment I think a few of us would enjoy an extra daily dose when needed. Thank you again Claire for an enjoyable bit of knowledge.
I just haven't got time I'm afraid. I managed to do it in May when I was doing the Anne Boleyn countdown but on top of my research, writing and running the Tudor Society, I just can't do it. However it means I have new events to talk about next year!
I read a book about smallpox which said that the diagnosis of "smallpox and measles combined" meant that the sufferer had developed one of the more severe forms of smallpox, like flat or hemorrhagic smallpox. Sadly, since indexes are out-of-fashion in nonfiction books, I can't find the place where this was discussed. Sorry!
I often think we under-estimate Mary - she was a Tudor and her mother's daughter and our first reigning Queen. Also, the Pope never accepted Henry's Supremacy or his opinion on his first marriage. As a devout Catholic she would believe herself fully in the right. Her rallying forces to fight what was a coup d'etat is positively stirring and it did Elizabeth a favour. Her position might have been very unsafe both physically and politically if Lady Jane Grey had been accepted as Queen. As it was she lived in constant uncertainty during Mary's reign. But Mary never did kill her. She threatened her, she intimidated her, she imprisoned her and she tried to oppress her religious choices, but she never did kill her.
Thankyou for these videos , I only discovered you yesterday and have already watched a good number .Love Tudour history , I find it fascinating .Looking forward to watching more videos, Thankyou again . X
What a hard death. Edward VI seems like a hard-line person: his two sisters were half-blood. Concerning the succession to the throne, he set a series of events in motion that resulted in more upheaval and death, Lady Jane Grey and company. Not a peaceful transition to power, for sure. Thank you for today's lesson and your work to get it to us.
Poor Edward...he was so young..& died such a horrible death..I wonder what sort of king he would have been...He seemed very cool & level headed...maybe he would have taken after his grandfather Henry Vii..thankyou Claire for my Tudor fix 😁
🇭🇲🦘 So very sad that 15 year old King Edward VI was to die so young. As for the succession, equally sad what happened to Queen Jane, Lady Jane Grey. Although such confusing times (regarding the succession) you explain what happened, and why, so well. ... "Thank you" Claire 👑👍
Are you missing all the "what does your tattoo say?" comments?? 😂 Thanks again for our daily dose of Tudor History! I've always been intrigued by Tudor History, and now I'm becoming obsessed. 🤣🤣 I was a fan of Anne before reading your book, and coming across your TH-cam channel, but now I'm even more of a fan. Thanks for trying to educate everyone about the REAL Anne, and not the scheming, seductress Anne some have tried to make her out to be.
Claire, do you believe that Jane's name should be amongst the official lists of kings and Queens of England? She is left out of most of them, but as she had been proclaimed Queen, I never really understand why.
My guess is that because she was never officially crowned as queen she's not truly recognised as a queen it's a bit like some people claimed Henry's son Edward wasn't a true heir to the throne as his mother died before being crowned
luna shadow898 The actual coronation was not necessary though, as, for example, Edward V (one of the boys in the tower) was never crowned, but still is counted on the list of Kings and Queens. Mary is also always said to have been the first Queen Regnant, and that is not true if Jane, (and even Matilda a few centuries before that) were to be counted, as she really should be. In the event of a future Queen Jane, would she be called Jane 1 or 2? The way things stand, a future Queen Jane would actually be Jane the first, and that seems wrong. Jane may have only ruled 13 days, but being deposed did not prevent previous Kings from being on the list either. It may be a mute point to many, but I do feel she deserves recognition.
@@lunashadow898 So things haven't changed much since Tudor times. No one knew who the hell she was then, either! Another good reason for the people to reject her & clamour for Mary. Everybody knew the daughter of their beloved & respected Queen Katharine. This was as though today the Privy Council suggested that Charles, Viscount Linley be put on the throne next, in lieu of Prince Charles, then the Duke of Cambridge, & then Prince George of Cambridge. Know who Charles, Viscount Linley is? Thought not! 👑
Such a shame about Edward and Lady Jane, and Lady Jane never wanted to be queen, but of course because of other people especially her parents and father-in-law she died😔😔😔😔
Sad to think of Edward dying so young, and horrible to think of how much destruction and how useless was his callous disregard of his sisters. Actually the reigns of both Henry VIII and his son are demonstrations of what misogyny and religious intolerance in governing will do.
What would Henry have made of his wishes for the succession being overturned? Poor Mary and Elizabeth - excluded from inheritance on flimsy grounds. His own sisters! He can't have been THAT clever if he thought that everyone would accept his reasoning as it was so obviously influenced by a power play from Jane's parents and Dudley.
We should also remember that it was Queen Mary I - who is still portrayed by many as the psychotic catholic, "Bloody Mary" - who felt sorry for Lady Jane Grey, and viewed her as a pawn of her brother King Edward VI's chief minister, John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland, who was Lady Jane's father in law. Even though Lady Grey was convicted of treason, Queen Mary stayed her execution because she viewed her as a pawn. Does this sound like something a blood thirsty tyrant would do? Of course it doesn't. Jane Grey was only executed when her father was caught as one of the leaders of Wyatt's rebellion, which sought to overthrow Mary, leaving her with no choice but to agree with her advisors, who wanted to execute Jane. This may not seem important to some people, but I think it is proof that Mary I's nickname of "Bloody Mary" is unfair. Many Protestants were executed during her reign, just as many catholics were executed during the reign's of her brother and sister. She was no different from any other rulers, but in her case the history of her reign was written by the opposing side.
Mary took great relish in burning Protestants at the stake. She did it in part to please her Spanish husband. Mary would've kept it up if she had lived longer. I don't believe Elizabeth ever deliberately went looking for Catholics to burn or went out of her way to find reasons to burn/execute them for religious reasons. Now if they actively threatened her throne, that was a different situation.
@GoGreen1977- How do you know Mary "took great relish in burning Protestants?" My point is that the history of her reign was written by her enemies. You give Elizabeth the benefit of the doubt that you don't give to Mary, and say she never deliberately went looking for Catholics, and was only concerned with those that threatened her throne. Firstly, you could say the very same thing when it comes to how Mary handled Jane Grey. As I said in my original comments, Mary originally felt sorry for Jane, and viewed her as a pawn of her father in law. Mary only gave in to her advisers who wanted to execute Jane after Wyatt's rebellion, which was a "threat to her throne," using your words. Something you said only Elizabeth did. Secondly, the homes of Northern England's Catholic upper class almost all had to have "priest holes" built in their homes during Elizabeth's reign, to hide them when Elizabeth's "priest hunters" came looking for them. They had to do this because both saying and participating in a Catholic mass was considered treason by Elizabeth, and was punishable by death. The difference for Elizabeth is that she is basically a deity in the eyes of the Church of England, who's leaders wrote the history of her reign. These same people had an interest in portraying Mary as a brutal, bloodthirsty papist. The ultimate truth is that religious fanaticism was just a part of life during that era. All Protestants could be viewed as a danger to Catholic Mary's reign, and all Catholics could be viewed as a danger to Protestant Elizabeth's reign. They should both be given the benefit of the doubt for this when we consider their actions. We always need to remember that history is written by the victors. In England's case, the victors were the Protestants. That's why Mary is the only ruler from that time who has a terrible nickname. Not even her father - who is probably the craziest and most violent king England has ever had - has a nickname like Mary's.
@@dmgib5239 I just love your passion for defending "Bloody Mary" (what an awful name to use for someone who was no worse than many previous monarchs - and not as bad as some). Queen Mary was never one of my favourite people but then Claire Ridgeway came into my life and she has made me view many of these people in a different and more positive light; Queen Mary I and Eustace Chapuys in particular. I love Claire's passion for Queen Anne and I see that same passion in you with Queen Mary I. It's an admirable quality. Don't ever change. :)
@@dmgib5239 Yes! I always thought Jane was executed as soon as Mary took the throne, but no- Mary wanted to spare her, & only executed her after the rebellion, & that seemed exactly like Elizabeth with Mary Queen of Scots. Basically, what you said: Mary was no worse or better than Elizabeth or Henry, it just depends if it's Catholics or Protestants telling the story. All monarchs executed people, & were *expected* to do so; wrong as I think that is.
Thank you once again for an interesting video. Queen Elizabeth reign so overshadowed the short reign of Edward the sixth that I had completely forgotten about him. It still amazes me the amount of executions that took place during the tutor times. I’m really not sure why Lady Jane Grey was executed. It’s amazing that the British monarchy has lasted. I would certainly like to see prince William and his family become the rulers rather than his father prince Charles and that horse face Camilla. Monarchy is certainly just a figurehead today. Expensive one at that.
So sad so young the king passed ,if henery had lived it would have broken his heart an life to loose his son. Mary didn't have to kill Jane, Mary was full of hate but in the end she to lost her head .
I have no idea Edward was so misogynist, the way he talks about his sisters and the mothers of his sisters is just disgusting. Particularly when his sisters treat him so well, Mary was his godmother and all his childhood she treated him with so much love, same thing with Elizabeth, she even gave him gifts made with her own hand. I recently read a file that did not give me much confidence, which said, that most of Europe considered Mary legitimate and Princess status, many never considered Elizabeth as heiress, due her mother was for so little time queen, and Elizabeth herself was a child during her mother execution. What do you think about Claire, i don´t know why, but i don´t trust that much in this file.
Both of his sisters had been bastardized by statute, so he may have been echoing the ignominy heaped upon their legitimacy. Also, Edward, due to his education, was the most doctrinally Protestant of the Tudor monarchs, and the protestantism of John Knox, for example, decried female rulership. He settled on permitting Jane Grey to be queen because he was dying and there were no male descendants of Frances Brandon or Jane Grey or among the progeny of Mary Tudor (Henry VIII's sister).
Surely I knew this before, though due to the brain injury I've forgotten more than I've ever known, but suddenly I understand how that chess move works. I'm almost embarrassed to have forgotten!
It seems Edward was very naive! Of course he was only 15, but seriously... did none of his advisors foresee what would happen if he changed the rules of succession? He basically passed Lady Jane Grey a death sentence without even having to be alive.
It's interesting that there were three Tudor kings then three Tudor queens. If Henry had his way, Edward would have been king that saved England. Instead it was the daughter of an executed, maligned queen hated by the people and her husband the king that became the monarch that saved her people. She created a leading power, saving England from back water obscurity.
I feel such sadness for Lady Jane Grey because she didn't even want the crown, and she even said that it belonged to Mary! You would think that Mary would have just decided to keep her prisoner whether she was a figure head or not because she was the Queen and so she should have been able to squash whatever uprising would be done in Jane'sname because thinking logically nobody really even knew who the Lady Jane was because I watched a docu I believe by David Starkey but I can't swear to it, but there was a whole huge proclamation of many pages that was posted all around London at the time to explain why Lady Grey had been chosen because the people couldn't understand and were quite upset that when she arrived at the Tower her mother Frances was seen in front of her at some point and also her husband, and so the people didn't know what to think except that she had been made a puppet in order to allow her hubby to be made King or something else shady. They just didn't know what was going on. And so I also saw on this docu that Northumberland wanted Lady Grey to allow her husband to be crowned King with her and she said she'd make him an Earl but not a king. So at this point they knew she wasn't going to be the puppet they had wanted her to be, but long story short, she didn't have the support of the people, and also her privy council started to support Mary slowly but surely, one by one changing to alliance with Mary and all sneaking out of the Tower abandoning Lady Grey and because Northumberland left to go raise an army against Mary's approach to London he wasn't there to help back her anymore and she basically turned from a Queen to a prisoner. So sad to be queen one moment and be prisoner the next. But still I think because of the people's confusion along with her barely having a claim to the throne that Mary knew the people supported her claim and not Jane so there was no reason that I could see she had a reason to really kill Jane! The real and only reason I feel she did was because the pope made her because otherwise they wouldn't send her precious Phillip to marry her unless Lady Jane was gone! N because Mary was so in love with him she did whatever to get him!! So sad what love can make you do!! And then to turn out the way it did was just terrible. I can't see how Jane could have ever been more of a threat than Lady Elizabeth and thank goodness Elizabeth was allowed to keep her head!! Sorry for the long comment it just works my nerves that poor girl had to be killed for almost nothing. So sad and such a waste of life. I think had it not been for Northumberland and her parents n had they given her a chance to decide what she wanted to do she may have saved some face with Mary and could have lived to be an old lady. R.i.p. Lady Jane Grey and I'm sorry you never got a chance to live your life! It was a raw deal any way you look at it!!
Edward, like his mother, was a weakling and susceptible to suggestions of others. His mother would have been upset that he wrote Mary out of his will. his counsel wanted a Protestant but not Anne’s daughter
Poor Edward. Even though he was the king, he was still just a kid. And poor Jane Grey -- she was an innocent who was railroaded into queenhood, and paid with her life, and she was also just a kid.
Mary was Edward's godmother, but after he became King, he took every opportunity to remind her of it. Her adherence to her Catholic faith in spite of his commands frustrated him by what he perceived as her stubbornness and disobedience. Mary, also, chafed at her "heretic" brother and spent pretty much all of his reign at her own estate in East Anglia. Edward and Elizabeth had a close and loving relationship as children and they were together when they were told of their father's death. They reportedly wept together and comforted each other. Later, Elizabeth went to live with her stepmother, Catherine Parr and Catherine's new husband, Thomas Seymour, Lord Suddely, but was later sent away to her own home at Hatfield to protect her from Seymour's inappropriate behavior towards her. She didn't spend much time with her brother or at court during his reign. After Catherine's death and the downfall and execution of Thomas Seymour, she was perceived as untrustworthy by those close to the king because of her rumored closeness to Seymour. So, no, doesn't seem that they were a loving, happy family.
Wasn’t sir Thomas more ultimately executed because he refused to acknowledge Henry the eighth as the head of the church of England and remained faithful to the Roman catholic church? a great movie years ago “the lion in winter” was based on Thomas Mores life. I think Kathryn Hepburn played his wife and she would bellow, “Tomas, you’re a lion!” Lol. He was brilliant, a scholar, lawyer and Henry Cut him slack for a very long time related to his religious practice. ,he was also very good with his words to wiggle out of anything that would sound like heresy, but ultimately he had to give his loyalty oath to the king and he could not if it meant denying the pope as the leader of the true church. That was it
Patrick Oh! Might you be thinking of "A Man For All Seasons"? "The Lion in Winter" told the story of the marriage of Henry II (played by Peter O'Toole) and Eleanor of Aquitaine (played by Kathryn Hepburn) and their sons.
Dame Wendy Hiller played More's wife, Lady Alice, in A Man for All Seasons. Katharine Hepburn was Eleanor of Aquitaine in The Lion in Winter. And in A Man for All Seasons, More told his wife that he had married a lion. In other words, SHE was the lion (lioness)! 🦁
barnaby stayed in england for months after and fought against the rebellion caused by mary wanting to marry phillip. even if edward had left, no way he would have let mary become queen.
If Edward had lived, he would have been a great king, Mary and Elizabeth were both obviously bastards by law, and neither should ever have succeeded to the throne.
How's Mary and Elizebeth bastards when they are born of married parents. Just because the King discarded his wives they became bastards? How ridiculous.
Edwards mother Jane never had a coronation as Queen unlike Katherine and Ann. So doesn't that technically make him unfit to rule ( based off of that alone). Seems like both Mary and Elizabeth had a right to rule just as he did
I think he would have been horrendous. If you thought 'Bloody Mary' was bad, Edward would have given his father, Henry, a run for his money in bloodshed. (Henry had far more people killed, including burnt alive) than Mary ever did.... And Edward was already a nasty piece of work. Move over Nero.
Lol so losing her head was proof of her guilt eh? I wonder if he actually believed it it if he had been told the truth. Sorry kid, just because you don’t like your sisters doesn’t mean you can change the succession. 😆
I’m so glad Tudor history is you’re thing because I absolutely love it . I’m so grateful that you share your knowledge ❣️
The painting of Lady Jane before her execution is absolutely heart breaking.
I have long felt close to Thomas More since I lived on Paultons Square, SW3, which had been land he owned. He was taken from there and sent down the river to his eventual execution.
You *do* have a way of bringing history to life! I feel so sad for young Edward and for Lady Jane!!❤️
I feel sorry for Lady Jane Grey. She didn’t want the crown and only took it under pressure.
And I also feel for Sir Thomas Moore getting executed, especially as he was a father figure to Henry VIII.
Thanks again for another wonderful video! I can’t get enough of these daily videos xoxo
What a gift you are to us. Thank you , love how you brought Edward to life if just for a few moments. One of your commenters mentioned a side effect of small pox is the sloughing away of the lung lining, leaving scars as on the skin, subsequently drowning in their own fluid. Horror. Painful.
My favourite time of the day watching claire's videos. Thank you once again .sad one this one 🤴😪😪❤x
Oh what a day in history. Thank you for bringing Edward and Jane to life through their words. Putting agreeing or disagreeing with Edward's choice of next in line for the throne aside, quite a man way beyond his teenage years he was. Can only imagine what his reign would have been like had he reached actual adulthood.
Talk about intrigue among the peerage. Poor Queen Jane so young to die for the crown which she did not want.
Thanks, Claire. I've always found the fate of Lady Jane Grey one of the unhappiest chapters in Tudor history.
Gene Miller was she even a Tudor?
@@pbohearn She was a relative, and about Fifth in line for the throne if I remember right. See Claire's description of the video above. Edward VI was disinclined to leave the throne to his half-sisters, especially with Mary being Catholic. Lady Jane was non Catholic, but Edward and his councilors for all their legalisms hadn't thought things out enough. Clearly, to keep Mary and Elizabeth away, he would have needed a much more cunning plan.
For whatever reason, I always thought that Edward VI had always been sickly. I didn't realize that it was actually a recent (from the previous year) illness. Thank you for clearing up that historical inaccuracy of mine. As always love the videos!
There has been much discussion about what actually killed Edward VI. Tuberculosis has been suggested. I was recently reminded that what smallpox does to the skin is also done to the epithelial cells of internal organs. One way smallpox killed was when the damaged and putrefied material from the linings of the lungs sloughed off, the victim drowned in his own fluids.
My point is, Edward never fully recovered from having smallpox and measles the year or so before his actual death. The descriptions of Edward's illness are truly horrific, describing what must have been great putrefaction in the lungs. Perhaps the origin of the trouble was scarring of the lungs by smallpox.
It always amazes me how little power those monarchs of old really had. Edward was king but he could not change the succession. Kings and Queens had to be accepted by nobles and to a certain extent, the people before they could rule. I always thought it went by genealogy, who was closest in line got it and if someone objected, there was war.
It sounds like Edward believed the story that Anne Boleyn was an adulteress. This must have been pounded into his head by his Seymour relatives. It is a weak legal argument though, that Princess Elizabeth was half-blood because her mother was executed for adultery. Ridiculous!
Poor Jane :( used as a political pawn, and so young when she lost her life.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and love of History with us Claire
I vacation in Roanoke every summer. The Lost Colony tales are major themes! Lived this video.
Oh Edward 😞
One of my fav videos
Thank you Claire!
Thank you.
This is a sad episode !
You actually made me change my mind about Anne Boleyn's father, but I still find it hard to believe that Jane Grey's father was unaware he was actually putting his daughter's life in great danger, by starting a rebellion, rather than effectively saving her. I hope it's just because I lack information on the matter, as it happened to me with Thomas Boleyn.
It was definitely a foolish act. He must have thought that it had a good chance of success.
Claire you are incredible . Your historical information and viewpoints are so captivating. I've become addicted to The Tudor Society videos. Thanks for all your work, and I bought two of the books and they are equally fabulous entertainment.
thank you for sharing
Tudor history is my thing too! I appreciate all your hard work researching (* Is it work if its what you love) Thank you for the Truth and the real story of this time and people. I'm hooked! Someday I hope to see it for myself. Thank you Claire!
Poor Jane! And Edward too. What a sad prayer!
Okay a long video might be a bit much. However have you considered 2 videos for busy Tudor days? Yesterday was a treat even though was because of an I'll informed comment I think a few of us would enjoy an extra daily dose when needed. Thank you again Claire for an enjoyable bit of knowledge.
I just haven't got time I'm afraid. I managed to do it in May when I was doing the Anne Boleyn countdown but on top of my research, writing and running the Tudor Society, I just can't do it. However it means I have new events to talk about next year!
I read a book about smallpox which said that the diagnosis of "smallpox and measles combined" meant that the sufferer had developed one of the more severe forms of smallpox, like flat or hemorrhagic smallpox. Sadly, since indexes are out-of-fashion in nonfiction books, I can't find the place where this was discussed. Sorry!
I often think we under-estimate Mary - she was a Tudor and her mother's daughter and our first reigning Queen. Also, the Pope never accepted Henry's Supremacy or his opinion on his first marriage. As a devout Catholic she would believe herself fully in the right. Her rallying forces to fight what was a coup d'etat is positively stirring and it did Elizabeth a favour. Her position might have been very unsafe both physically and politically if Lady Jane Grey had been accepted as Queen. As it was she lived in constant uncertainty during Mary's reign. But Mary never did kill her. She threatened her, she intimidated her, she imprisoned her and she tried to oppress her religious choices, but she never did kill her.
Thankyou for these videos , I only discovered you yesterday and have already watched a good number .Love Tudour history , I find it fascinating .Looking forward to watching more videos, Thankyou again . X
Queen Jane Gray , what a sad story. I’ve love to hear more about her
Why is every time a lady Jane grey episode comes out I’m on vacation eating a bagel
That's your place in the universe in relation to Lady Jane Grey, obviously! Enjoy your bagel
Wendy Chavez thank you 😂😂 it was a good bagel
I’m actually eating a bagel right now! 😳
I just think of all the knowledge that Queen Jane had acquired during her childhood years, all wasted as she was gone so young
So good !!❤️
Love your channel
What a hard death. Edward VI seems like a hard-line person: his two sisters were half-blood. Concerning the succession to the throne, he set a series of events in motion that resulted in more upheaval and death, Lady Jane Grey and company. Not a peaceful transition to power, for sure. Thank you for today's lesson and your work to get it to us.
Poor Edward...he was so young..& died such a horrible death..I wonder what sort of king he would have been...He seemed very cool & level headed...maybe he would have taken after his grandfather Henry Vii..thankyou Claire for my Tudor fix 😁
Loved this
He was really trying to control the narrative with his descriptions of his sisters!
🇭🇲🦘 So very sad that 15 year old King Edward VI was to die so young. As for the succession, equally sad what happened to Queen Jane, Lady Jane Grey.
Although such confusing times (regarding the succession) you explain what happened, and why, so well. ... "Thank you" Claire 👑👍
Are you missing all the "what does your tattoo say?" comments?? 😂 Thanks again for our daily dose of Tudor History! I've always been intrigued by Tudor History, and now I'm becoming obsessed. 🤣🤣 I was a fan of Anne before reading your book, and coming across your TH-cam channel, but now I'm even more of a fan. Thanks for trying to educate everyone about the REAL Anne, and not the scheming, seductress Anne some have tried to make her out to be.
A few days ago, Claire posted a video devoted to her tattoo.
@@wendychavez5348 I know, I saw it! It was great. That's why I said that; because so many people kept asking her about her tattoo. 😂
My brain synapses are misfiring--it's been a rough week! But now I see how it's amusing. Thanks for correcting me
Ha! Yes!
Claire, do you believe that Jane's name should be amongst the official lists of kings and Queens of England? She is left out of most of them, but as she had been proclaimed Queen, I never really understand why.
Yes, I do, as she was proclaimed queen and recognised as such by the royal council.
My guess is that because she was never officially crowned as queen she's not truly recognised as a queen it's a bit like some people claimed Henry's son Edward wasn't a true heir to the throne as his mother died before being crowned
luna shadow898 The actual coronation was not necessary though, as, for example, Edward V (one of the boys in the tower) was never crowned, but still is counted on the list of Kings and Queens. Mary is also always said to have been the first Queen Regnant, and that is not true if Jane, (and even Matilda a few centuries before that) were to be counted, as she really should be. In the event of a future Queen Jane, would she be called Jane 1 or 2? The way things stand, a future Queen Jane would actually be Jane the first, and that seems wrong. Jane may have only ruled 13 days, but being deposed did not prevent previous Kings from being on the list either. It may be a mute point to many, but I do feel she deserves recognition.
@@BlackCatMargie and I agree with you as she's often called the forgotten queen and if you ask people about her very few would actually know about her
@@lunashadow898
So things haven't changed much since Tudor times. No one knew who the hell she was then, either! Another good reason for the people to reject her & clamour for Mary. Everybody knew the daughter of their beloved & respected Queen Katharine. This was as though today the Privy Council suggested that Charles, Viscount Linley be put on the throne next, in lieu of Prince Charles, then the Duke of Cambridge, & then Prince George of Cambridge. Know who Charles, Viscount Linley is? Thought not! 👑
Edward argues like his father did.
I would like to hear more about Eustace Chapuys
Such a shame about Edward and Lady Jane, and Lady Jane never wanted to be queen, but of course because of other people especially her parents and father-in-law she died😔😔😔😔
Love u Claire
Sad to think of Edward dying so young, and horrible to think of how much destruction and how useless was his callous disregard of his sisters. Actually the reigns of both Henry VIII and his son are demonstrations of what misogyny and religious intolerance in governing will do.
What would Henry have made of his wishes for the succession being overturned? Poor Mary and Elizabeth - excluded from inheritance on flimsy grounds. His own sisters! He can't have been THAT clever if he thought that everyone would accept his reasoning as it was so obviously influenced by a power play from Jane's parents and Dudley.
A real puritan, that Edward VI.
We should also remember that it was Queen Mary I - who is still portrayed by many as the psychotic catholic, "Bloody Mary" - who felt sorry for Lady Jane Grey, and viewed her as a pawn of her brother King Edward VI's chief minister, John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland, who was Lady Jane's father in law. Even though Lady Grey was convicted of treason, Queen Mary stayed her execution because she viewed her as a pawn. Does this sound like something a blood thirsty tyrant would do? Of course it doesn't. Jane Grey was only executed when her father was caught as one of the leaders of Wyatt's rebellion, which sought to overthrow Mary, leaving her with no choice but to agree with her advisors, who wanted to execute Jane. This may not seem important to some people, but I think it is proof that Mary I's nickname of "Bloody Mary" is unfair. Many Protestants were executed during her reign, just as many catholics were executed during the reign's of her brother and sister. She was no different from any other rulers, but in her case the history of her reign was written by the opposing side.
Mary took great relish in burning Protestants at the stake. She did it in part to please her Spanish husband. Mary would've kept it up if she had lived longer. I don't believe Elizabeth ever deliberately went looking for Catholics to burn or went out of her way to find reasons to burn/execute them for religious reasons. Now if they actively threatened her throne, that was a different situation.
@GoGreen1977- How do you know Mary "took great relish in burning Protestants?" My point is that the history of her reign was written by her enemies. You give Elizabeth the benefit of the doubt that you don't give to Mary, and say she never deliberately went looking for Catholics, and was only concerned with those that threatened her throne. Firstly, you could say the very same thing when it comes to how Mary handled Jane Grey. As I said in my original comments, Mary originally felt sorry for Jane, and viewed her as a pawn of her father in law. Mary only gave in to her advisers who wanted to execute Jane after Wyatt's rebellion, which was a "threat to her throne," using your words. Something you said only Elizabeth did. Secondly, the homes of Northern England's Catholic upper class almost all had to have "priest holes" built in their homes during Elizabeth's reign, to hide them when Elizabeth's "priest hunters" came looking for them. They had to do this because both saying and participating in a Catholic mass was considered treason by Elizabeth, and was punishable by death. The difference for Elizabeth is that she is basically a deity in the eyes of the Church of England, who's leaders wrote the history of her reign. These same people had an interest in portraying Mary as a brutal, bloodthirsty papist. The ultimate truth is that religious fanaticism was just a part of life during that era. All Protestants could be viewed as a danger to Catholic Mary's reign, and all Catholics could be viewed as a danger to Protestant Elizabeth's reign. They should both be given the benefit of the doubt for this when we consider their actions. We always need to remember that history is written by the victors. In England's case, the victors were the Protestants. That's why Mary is the only ruler from that time who has a terrible nickname. Not even her father - who is probably the craziest and most violent king England has ever had - has a nickname like Mary's.
@@dmgib5239 I just love your passion for defending "Bloody Mary" (what an awful name to use for someone who was no worse than many previous monarchs - and not as bad as some). Queen Mary was never one of my favourite people but then Claire Ridgeway came into my life and she has made me view many of these people in a different and more positive light; Queen Mary I and Eustace Chapuys in particular. I love Claire's passion for Queen Anne and I see that same passion in you with Queen Mary I. It's an admirable quality. Don't ever change. :)
@@dmgib5239 Yes! I always thought Jane was executed as soon as Mary took the throne, but no- Mary wanted to spare her, & only executed her after the rebellion, & that seemed exactly like Elizabeth with Mary Queen of Scots. Basically, what you said: Mary was no worse or better than Elizabeth or Henry, it just depends if it's Catholics or Protestants telling the story. All monarchs executed people, & were *expected* to do so; wrong as I think that is.
Totally agree! Check out my essay in the Medium app for writers, “In Defense of Bloody Mary.” You’ll be glad you did! Nom de plume is Patrick Oh!
Wow! No love lost there between the king and his 2 half-sisters. Harsh!
Thank you once again for an interesting video. Queen Elizabeth reign so overshadowed the short reign of Edward the sixth that I had completely forgotten about him. It still amazes me the amount of executions that took place during the tutor times. I’m really not sure why Lady Jane Grey was executed. It’s amazing that the British monarchy has lasted. I would certainly like to see prince William and his family become the rulers rather than his father prince Charles and that horse face Camilla. Monarchy is certainly just a figurehead today. Expensive one at that.
So sad so young the king passed ,if henery had lived it would have broken his heart an life to loose his son.
Mary didn't have to kill Jane, Mary was full of hate but in the end she to lost her head .
Thomas More, what was Henry thinking? Tread carefully in those days.
Why was Frances, Duchess of Suffolk skipped over in the line of succession?
I have no idea Edward was so misogynist, the way he talks about his sisters
and the mothers of his sisters is just disgusting. Particularly when his sisters treat him so well, Mary was his godmother and all his childhood she treated him with so much love, same thing with Elizabeth, she even gave him gifts made with her own hand.
I recently read a file that did not give me much confidence, which said, that most of Europe considered Mary legitimate and Princess status, many never considered Elizabeth as heiress, due her mother was for so little time queen, and Elizabeth herself was a child during her mother execution.
What do you think about Claire, i don´t know why, but i don´t trust that much in this file.
Both of his sisters had been bastardized by statute, so he may have been echoing the ignominy heaped upon their legitimacy. Also, Edward, due to his education, was the most doctrinally Protestant of the Tudor monarchs, and the protestantism of John Knox, for example, decried female rulership. He settled on permitting Jane Grey to be queen because he was dying and there were no male descendants of Frances Brandon or Jane Grey or among the progeny of Mary Tudor (Henry VIII's sister).
Edward sounds like the most obnoxious little brother ever! "Nope, you're both illegitimate so I'm going to disinherit you! So there!"
My goodenss Edward certainly had a lot to say considering he was on his death bed!!
Poor Edward and mega pawn Jane. Thank you, Claire!
Surely I knew this before, though due to the brain injury I've forgotten more than I've ever known, but suddenly I understand how that chess move works. I'm almost embarrassed to have forgotten!
It seems Edward was very naive! Of course he was only 15, but seriously... did none of his advisors foresee what would happen if he changed the rules of succession? He basically passed Lady Jane Grey a death sentence without even having to be alive.
It's interesting that there were three Tudor kings then three Tudor queens. If Henry had his way, Edward would have been king that saved England. Instead it was the daughter of an executed, maligned queen hated by the people and her husband the king that became the monarch that saved her people. She created a leading power, saving England from back water obscurity.
I feel such sadness for Lady Jane Grey because she didn't even want the crown, and she even said that it belonged to Mary! You would think that Mary would have just decided to keep her prisoner whether she was a figure head or not because she was the Queen and so she should have been able to squash whatever uprising would be done in Jane'sname because thinking logically nobody really even knew who the Lady Jane was because I watched a docu I believe by David Starkey but I can't swear to it, but there was a whole huge proclamation of many pages that was posted all around London at the time to explain why Lady Grey had been chosen because the people couldn't understand and were quite upset that when she arrived at the Tower her mother Frances was seen in front of her at some point and also her husband, and so the people didn't know what to think except that she had been made a puppet in order to allow her hubby to be made King or something else shady. They just didn't know what was going on. And so I also saw on this docu that Northumberland wanted Lady Grey to allow her husband to be crowned King with her and she said she'd make him an Earl but not a king. So at this point they knew she wasn't going to be the puppet they had wanted her to be, but long story short, she didn't have the support of the people, and also her privy council started to support Mary slowly but surely, one by one changing to alliance with Mary and all sneaking out of the Tower abandoning Lady Grey and because Northumberland left to go raise an army against Mary's approach to London he wasn't there to help back her anymore and she basically turned from a Queen to a prisoner. So sad to be queen one moment and be prisoner the next. But still I think because of the people's confusion along with her barely having a claim to the throne that Mary knew the people supported her claim and not Jane so there was no reason that I could see she had a reason to really kill Jane! The real and only reason I feel she did was because the pope made her because otherwise they wouldn't send her precious Phillip to marry her unless Lady Jane was gone! N because Mary was so in love with him she did whatever to get him!! So sad what love can make you do!! And then to turn out the way it did was just terrible. I can't see how Jane could have ever been more of a threat than Lady Elizabeth and thank goodness Elizabeth was allowed to keep her head!! Sorry for the long comment it just works my nerves that poor girl had to be killed for almost nothing. So sad and such a waste of life. I think had it not been for Northumberland and her parents n had they given her a chance to decide what she wanted to do she may have saved some face with Mary and could have lived to be an old lady. R.i.p. Lady Jane Grey and I'm sorry you never got a chance to live your life! It was a raw deal any way you look at it!!
Wow that a 15 year old world write that!
I think I read somewhere that Elizabeth his sister actually made & embroidered a shirt for him when she was only six years old!!!
Edward, like his mother, was a weakling and susceptible to suggestions of others. His mother would have been upset that he wrote Mary out of his will. his counsel wanted a Protestant but not Anne’s daughter
That's not the Edward that you see in his journal and letters. He was very strong-minded and very determined.
Poor Edward. Even though he was the king, he was still just a kid. And poor Jane Grey -- she was an innocent who was railroaded into queenhood, and paid with her life, and she was also just a kid.
🇺🇸do we know what if any of a relationship Edward had with Mary & Elizabeth?🇬🇧
Mary was Edward's godmother, but after he became King, he took every opportunity to remind her of it. Her adherence to her Catholic faith in spite of his commands frustrated him by what he perceived as her stubbornness and disobedience. Mary, also, chafed at her "heretic" brother and spent pretty much all of his reign at her own estate in East Anglia. Edward and Elizabeth had a close and loving relationship as children and they were together when they were told of their father's death. They reportedly wept together and comforted each other. Later, Elizabeth went to live with her stepmother, Catherine Parr and Catherine's new husband, Thomas Seymour, Lord Suddely, but was later sent away to her own home at Hatfield to protect her from Seymour's inappropriate behavior towards her. She didn't spend much time with her brother or at court during his reign. After Catherine's death and the downfall and execution of Thomas Seymour, she was perceived as untrustworthy by those close to the king because of her rumored closeness to Seymour. So, no, doesn't seem that they were a loving, happy family.
Lady V 🇺🇸thank you!🇬🇧
He had a good relationship at first with them but his relationship with Mary became difficult when she refused to obey his religious laws.
Why did Henry execute his wives instead of divorcing them!
Wasn’t sir Thomas more ultimately executed because he refused to acknowledge Henry the eighth as the head of the church of England and remained faithful to the Roman catholic church? a great movie years ago “the lion in winter” was based on Thomas Mores life. I think Kathryn Hepburn played his wife and she would bellow, “Tomas, you’re a lion!” Lol. He was brilliant, a scholar, lawyer and Henry Cut him slack for a very long time related to his religious practice. ,he was also very good with his words to wiggle out of anything that would sound like heresy, but ultimately he had to give his loyalty oath to the king and he could not if it meant denying the pope as the leader of the true church. That was it
Patrick Oh! Might you be thinking of "A Man For All Seasons"? "The Lion in Winter" told the story of the marriage of Henry II (played by Peter O'Toole) and Eleanor of Aquitaine (played by Kathryn Hepburn) and their sons.
Dame Wendy Hiller played More's wife, Lady Alice, in A Man for All Seasons. Katharine Hepburn was Eleanor of Aquitaine in The Lion in Winter. And in A Man for All Seasons, More told his wife that he had married a lion. In other words, SHE was the lion (lioness)! 🦁
how can u executed jane grey isn't she queen , and her father is king of france
Jane had been queen but Mary believed that Jane wasn't the rightful queen. Jane's father was the Duke of Suffolk.
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Some people say he faked his death with Barnaby Fitzpatrick and went to Ireland. Have you heard this Claire?
barnaby stayed in england for months after and fought against the rebellion caused by mary wanting to marry phillip. even if edward had left, no way he would have let mary become queen.
I wonder why Edward and his advisors passed over Frances Grey who was the daughter of Mary, Henry VIII’s sister?
If Edward had lived, he would have been a great king, Mary and Elizabeth were both obviously bastards by law, and neither should ever have succeeded to the throne.
How's Mary and Elizebeth bastards when they are born of married parents. Just because the King discarded his wives they became bastards? How ridiculous.
Edwards mother Jane never had a coronation as Queen unlike Katherine and Ann. So doesn't that technically make him unfit to rule ( based off of that alone). Seems like both Mary and Elizabeth had a right to rule just as he did
I think he would have been horrendous. If you thought 'Bloody Mary' was bad, Edward would have given his father, Henry, a run for his money in bloodshed. (Henry had far more people killed, including burnt alive) than Mary ever did.... And Edward was already a nasty piece of work. Move over Nero.
@@annwilliams6438 I absolutely agree
I always believed Edward was manipulated.
Lol so losing her head was proof of her guilt eh? I wonder if he actually believed it it if he had been told the truth. Sorry kid, just because you don’t like your sisters doesn’t mean you can change the succession. 😆