Gas Engine Simulation in an EV Dirt Bike (it vrooms)
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In this video, I team up with siliXcon in the Czech Republic to bring some vroom back to EV dirt bikes.
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00:00 Background
01:20 The Theory Behind This
02:37 Animation I Spent Way Too Long On
05:05 The Test Rig
06:59 Potential Applications
07:45 Real Dirt Bike Test
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SiliXcon is planning to film some riding footage once the onboard speaker is sorted out. Let me know if you guys are interested and I’ll keep covering this project on my channel!
There are some glitches in the audio and I know it sounds more like a woodchipper than a dirtbike right now. This is a very early prototype with an ancient version of Engine Simulator running on a microcontroller which is not exactly a Ryzen 9...
Absolutely! While I'm not too intrigued by EV's myself, this is an interesting collide for them, and I'm interested to see how this may turn out.
this is SUPER interesting!
all the more reason to figure out how to bake the engine. (I think that's the term for the whole pre-load business so the host machine doesn't have to run all the calculations
This is such a cool idea, really novel. Would love to see more about this in the future
I'm definitely interested in keeping up with the project!
This is a really sick application for engine sim, never thought I'd be excited to see evs trying to sound like an engine
I've thought about this before, the main problem is that you would lose the fun of an actual engine.
@@jwalster9412Right, however seeing how the demise of commercial combustion is a matter of time at this point at least hearing/simulating an engine would be nice
i want a V10 mini engine that sounds like those F1
@@Splarkszter that'd be sick honestly
@@jwalster9412 You missed the critical point.. There is a feedback loop between engine simulator and the real world... Engine Simulator produces not only the audio, but also the Torque values that need to be applied to the wheels, which gets sent to the electric motor which is capable of producing that torque. Then, any resistances from the real world are measured and fed back into engine simulator so in theory if you start climbing a very steep hill then engine simulator will bog down trying to climb said hill, and even stall if you push it too far.
7:32 working on it as we speak. Literally a lifelong goal.
but also for ... bicycles... to replace the deck of cards that have been destroyed over the years!
That's a good point actually, I totally forgot kids exist and might make use of this lol
Deck of cards? I used to use a crushed pop can placed sideways since my tyres had deep treads! It sounded more refined if I sat it right, but if the can moved and settled into the wrong position it would go from Honda Goldwing to Suzuki RG500 lol
In Sweden we cut out a piece of milk carton and attach it with a clothespin.
For me it was always an empty disposable plastic water bottle crushed and wedged between the back tire and the frame.
@@perkele1989 Similar here in Australia, I would use cardboard from a cardboard box with a clothes peg.
When you want to save the environment but still want to annoy your neighbours at 6am in the morning
heres what i wanna try - instead of doing the exhaust convolution in the software, why not do it in reality? put a speaker in an exhaust and let the real world convolve it.
That would be really cool to try!
OK this is a good idea
There wouldn't be any fluid in motion, the exhaust system wouldn't work in the same manner. I don't think the result could be the desired one.
@@ereisenheim9896 Dodge is doing something of the sort with their EVs, I wonder what their trick is.
@@abattlescar Different from what they were doing on the new Daytona? Or it's that one? (cus it sounded absolutely awful)
And we are another step closer towards the answer to the very rhetorical question: "You wouldn't download a car, would you?" :D That's awesome, great work.
"I dont feel like having a v8 today, i think ill download a v12"
@@xenn4985 "W18 if im feeling adventurous"
@@elongated_musket6353 you pull up the meet and they ask what youre running and you say "emd 1010 t4"
I think imma download some Double Wasp today
YOU WOULDN't PIRATE AN ENGINE, WOULD YOU?
8:07 WOW that single unpowered piston stroke just shows how amazing this is, and it is only the beginning.
Will no one mention how Ange went out of his way to make that excellent 3D model of how the simulated and physical parts of the bike interact? The quality of these videos is amazing.
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Thats a very interesting idea. Imagine being able to emulate a steam powered car with your own EV. This channel is severely underrated
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@@JorgetePanete Thats very compelling
I wonder how hard it would be to modify a Tesla to have a fake engine?
Too bad it cant simulate the sheer might of steam...
Imagine emulating a horse pulled carriage in your EV, the possibilities!!!
bro is literally living the dream, having his passion project be used in commercial applications
I hope he'll get some royalties if said commercial application takes off.
Dude, you should make more educational materials in general :-D Love your presentation!
Thanks 🙏 I just wish it wasn't so time consuming, otherwise I'd do more content like that
This is so freaking cool. Imagine having an EV with a clutch pedal and a manual shift lever where you can tweak your own virtual engine and transmission!!! You could drive with a virtual tank engine in your car one day, and a high-revving F1 engine the next! It would be even cooler if you can alter the feel of the "fake" clutch pedal and shift throw. Exiting stuff.
Check out Hyundai RN22e, they've got something similar (no clutch and manual, though, just engine emu). But I believe Toyota just got a patent for a "virtual" clutch pedal
That dirt bike prototype is sick. I wonder how close it feels to the real thing when riding.
What do you mean? Electric Dirtbikes are old news by now? I've driven a few. They're pretty bonkers. Instant power and torque at any second you want. You get an hour maybe more out of them, at least when I rode them. It's been a few years now though.
@@nomindseye yeah, but the torque and power is from the engine simulators simulation meaning the bike behaves more like a gas powered vehicle. The electric motor is used to sync up the simulation and the real world drive system.
@@phoenixdonner8553 aah, yes. You're right, I didn't think about that aspect. For some reason, even though it's more or less the point of this video. My bad.
It's a good question, actually. Probably not quite like what the real thing is, because suspension geometry and size of the bike probably don't match - if you're aiming for a specific bike. But at least in theory, if the electric engine is more powerful than what it's simulating, it's going to be pretty damn close. Of course, the only difference between theory and practice is than in theory there's no difference.
Personally, I'd like to have a rotary in my electric dirtbike. Because that is what this technology is for.
@@nomindseye Right?! To have any engine you want in your EV. How cool is that! Never thought I would be excited about EVs
@@Fizzer99 a Lamborghini V12 powered superbike lol. It wouldn't quite have the power, but definitely the right torque curve.
I just hope SiliXcon or any company building on this will opensource the ported project so that we hobbyists can build something like this for bicycles or what not
Ha. You wish. Money money miney greeeeed
It's not impossible but I think you have better odds of winning the lottery jackpot, two times in a row...
we'll probably have to force our way in as we always do...
7:00 A small start up in Italy, Emula, is doing this, the platform they created is called McFly and can simulate different engine types and layouts with according sounds, vibrations, gear shifts dynamics and so on. As far as I know they have a functioning bike prototype, but have collaborated on the Totem Alfa Romeo Giulia electric restomod too.
I almost forgot, that your simulator is more than just a sound generator. Perfect work, I hope more companies will contact you to help them implementing this in new EVs. Can't wait to see/hear a V12 Zoe 😂
You are literally changing the world with Engine Simulator and it is realy great to witness this.
Just this week i talked to my friends about how cool it would be if someone could bring engine simulator to Electric cars to do exactly this.
Imagine sitting in a tesla and choosing the engine for a TrackDay. One Day you could drive a Ferrari V12. The other day a high rpm Honda Engine and the next day maybe a rotary Engine.
One thing that this could be extremely useful for is safety. Bikes can be more difficult to spot due to their smaller size, the only thing that confirms their presence on the road is the engine noise. Now that companies are trying to implement EV motorcycles, I have thought about the increased danger of having silent, fast, small two-wheeled vehicles sharing the road with cars. I honestly feel like the implementation of noise generation on small EV's can help keep the riders safe.
High vis gear helps too. It's required on US military bases. I know the saying "loud pipes save lives" though. Only problem is when some dude's thunder Harley turns left past me at an intersection and he gives it the beans, blasting me with 130 dB and hearing damage. That's just rude. If that sound could be focused towards the front, it would make a lot more sense.
At first, I thought that this would only be about sound, but it is so much more! Also, it's nice that a program that Ange wrote solely for his personal entertainment (and flexing of cause!) suddenly has applications in the real world!
Damn, having ev's be able to emulate old engines is a really interesting perspective. Imagine being able to emulate an old lambo v12 but in some shitty modified hatchback, and it being actually accurate by making some wheelspin past 6.5k rpm
Can't believe how a demo for an engine simulator turned out to be such a huge thing! Amazing work man 👏🙌
I am already greatly impressed by your simulator, but as someone who just went through a microcontrollers class where I spent many days debugging some simple code just to get it to display words on an LCD, i find the interface between the simulator and the real bike incredible
here i was thinking the only application would be engine soudns in games. holy shit man this is absolutely ground breaking
Wow, interesting! Can't wait to see what the future holds.
This is so freaking cool! I think this tech could be used to ease the transition to EVs for people like my dad who are reluctant to switch because they are used to stickshift and 3 pedals as well as help with the simulated sound for immersion and safety of pedestrains. But also... I want this in snowrunner!
manual transmission evs with engine simulator built in is the future i'm happy with tbh
Can't wait for Engine Sim to get into Racing/Driving Sims (e.g Euro Truck Sim), the sound is a huge complement for the physics simulation.
Wow, nice Ange. Great example of software eating the world
I'd argue it's more of a hardware issue in this case, the software is coming in after the fact to mitigate the damage lol
crazy thing is Ange didn't think this Engine Sim would do that well, well here we are. almost a year later and Ange is killing it love to see it bro
This is actually a really fascinating application and approach. You could see the connection between upgrading components on an EV and then fine tuning its performance. Hearing and feeling the difference the tuning has made. Also the ability to download and share engines, be that stock or custom. There's so much possiblity going forward.
I think using engine sim to control real world EV's is a fantastic idea, not only will it help keep the joy of using combustion engines and manual transmissions, but it also provides a genuine great use case in that; it can provide an excellent analogue for how to control regen breaking in a EV on the fly :)
Normally in our real cars we can just change down a gear to get a braking effect without using the brake pedal, and I feel like this same idea can be applied to a EV with a fake gearstick, where it uses the gearstick and the theoretical engine's rpm and loads to calculate how much regen braking to apply
It's far more ergonomic and familiar to existing drivers to change down from 5th to 3rd gear to get a decent amount of engine braking, more than they'd get in 4th and considerably more than just letting off in 5th, and can be done on the fly with ease, rather than needing to edit the engine braking intensity in a menu on the silly touchscreen or using a column stalk that has 3 positions or a switch on the centre console that does it through the whole driving mode of comfort/sport/etc
In a game where we would script simulated engines "gmod" we found that just assuming that the clutch at a spike slips slightly and therefore looses energy into heat is most stable
I'd love to see them simulate the oscillation of the motor on idle. It could be achieved with a small weighted pendulum (like the ones in gaming console controllers) rotating proportionally with the revs.
Simulcrank shaft
man this looks like fun!! nice work
If I knew anything about dirt bikes I'd love to try one out haha
@@AngeTheGreat it's pretty easy to learn!
@@AngeTheGreat actually, it would be a hell of a proof of concept to learn on the simulated bike and then try a real one to see how well it translates
This is genuinely fantastic - excited to see where this goes in future!
oooo man I'm so happy to see your channel grow so quickly, you definitely deserve it! All the best
Talk about making one's mark on history.
"The man who made EVs sound like gasoline vehicles."
GOOD JOB MAN! Really excited to see your next video... you are doing great stuff and I can see it being implemented in big companies... Keep up the work!
yo this is beyond insane, this is easily the coolest application of engine simulator ive seen yet. id love to see more of this project!
i'm so excited to see where this project can go. I didn't see much practical application when you first developed it but man does the future look bright
Dude, the v twin paired with the electric motor of the real bike sounds _so cool_
This was my first thought after I saw your Engine Sim video a year ago. Just as cool as I imagined!
BRAVO! thats one hell of a neat idea and its definitely not the intended usage but a very welcome one! this can make some ev's "experience" exponentially better and many more do cover the project more! even if you sort of put it as small updates on other things kinda like a reminder when there isnt much progress, cheers ange!
Oh. All of this is relevant to one of my long term(back burner) projects. Basically, a driving sim that uses real RC trucks(big into the scale RC stuff) but drives like real internal combustion trucks instead of infinitely powerful electric drivetrains. Neat.
insane project this has turned into ange, love your work!
Amazing! Its cool to see engine simulator being used in unexpected and unique ways!
This man manages to make amazing and engaging videos about subjects that are unbelievably complicated to the average person, but somehow even though I don't understand 70% of it, it still keeps me entertained :)
Bump starting a fake engine is the funniest shit
I love your work, the future sounds better already!
it has to be the craziest thing to have what once was a fun project blow up as a fairly valuable source for the motorsport community overall, and i'm glad that your work isn't going to waste. Hopefully i can shove this on my bicicle one day
I'd just use "butt-kicker" type bass transducers, small amp to drive them + raspberry pi to output line signal based on RPM over OBD etc.
I was discussing this with my house mates recently about how engine simulator could be used to emulate manual transmissions in modern EVs.
If this technology could be used to do that, it would bring manual EVs with genuine feel to the market!
@@driatrogenesis it's makes no sense in this modern era. But passion doesnr make sense
this project is really taking off holy moly! Really great job
Finally, I can have a dirt bike powered by a Wärtsilä-Sulzer RTA96-C engine!
Dude you're crazy, I'm amazed every single time I watch one of your videos, you're literally a genius.
That last clip blew my mind. Awesome project!
Great to see real world applications for this starting to be explored. This is exactly what I was hoping for and why I jumped on as a Patron. There's massive potential in this so it's great to see you getting enough support to make it at least somewhat sustainable. I hope it only goes upward from here for you!
That was awesome! Thanks for sharing this amazing content! 😃😎
Mind? Blown.
Jaw? On the floor.
Socks? Blown off.
I'm REALLY impressed by this. OMG.
Maybe it's possible to hook a FPGA and do a convolution reverb on the signal right before the DAC and have it simulate the exhaust? Maybe having the impulse response also swappable. If someone with the tools could try that and it works, EV companies could combine what is shown here with a developed DAC with an embbeded Reverb Convolver as an SoC. We would have EV vehicles that drives and sounds exactly like combustion vehicles. And you can drive whatever engine and exhaust, reallistic or not, you heart my desire.
This is one of the coolest things happening in the world right now. Amazing work!
I'm astonished by the extends that this project can be developped and it's uses cases, this is amazing !
This is an amazing idea and implementation of your Simulator, and actually makes me a little exited to see what ev's could come of it, still love Internal combustion more.
Who could have guessed that an engine audio simulator would end up having such wide potential?
You did, Ange, that's why you did it and I'm proud to have been able to witness your achievements in real time.
WOW, this really would be the ultimate training platform for someone who wants to learn how to drive stick or ride a motorcycle. Complete risk-free training where there is no clutch to destroy, no engine to bog, but all of the feedback and sound of the real thing. Super cool.
I can't even begin to explain how excited I am by this. Absolutely briliant!
Your work has been amazing I'm so glad it's getting noticed by the right people
The crazy idea that I’m the future we might see things like “I test YOUR engines in my CAR” as TH-cam videos because of this tech is wild
Hey, I loved the engine simulator that you made and it's really amazing how much effort you've made to make it as accurate as it could possibly be. I wish the simulator had a "Build custom engine" section with a GUI (instead of making changes with the script) where it would take the input values for piston weight, starter RPM, displacement, etc. Peace!
Awesome concept and execution. Great to see the Engine Simulator finally taking over the real world :)
That's just so great, I can't believe, it's now possible to make a fusion of virtual and real objects
It hurts my brain seeing and hearing the footage and yet knowing that it's not an actual engine burning actual fuel
This is actually incredible
Man that's really neat a riding school is using your software to help people learn. What a journey watching this development has been.
I built an E-Bike, but I've been wanting to build a E-motorcycle so thanks for telling me about this group!
"You wouldn't download a car"
AngeTheGreat: Try to stop me
You deserve all the success in the world, great work.
Good news man, I hope your simulator makes you rich, it's very unique software with a good range of applications for a lot of automotive based stuff, from realistic sounds in a videogame to real life stuff like this.
Thats super freaking cool. I never thought that that could be a use case but that's freaking sweet!
One good thing about this use: if it's in a car, only the people inside it have to hear it. Everyone else just has to listen to the tyres on the road.
This takes manufacturer ecu mapping to a whole new level of dlc!
How possible would it be to simulate a compressed air engine? I imagine it would be pretty similar to a steam engine. If you haven't seen Tom Stanton's 3d printed air engines, you should check em out
Compressed air engines are probably the easiest to simulate. And yes I have seen those videos and I love that series haha
@@AngeTheGreat oh cool! I might have to learn how to mod in that case!
compressed air engines are mechanically equivalent to steam engines
@@soweliLuna if you know who Hyce and Kan are... then you should know that they said the same thing while playing Train Sim Online
@@soweliLuna one of Tom Stanton's used a rubber membrane with a unique valve design
i love this stuff bro keep going!!!
OMG this is soooo cool! Love your channel btw!
Thanks 🙏
This is beyond impressive. Amazing idea and execution
YES' AngeTheGreat your engine simulator will make you a VERY rich man! Congratulations dude!!!
Are you saying that my Tesla can identify itself as a 4-rotor Wankel engine??? Awesome video!
This is awesome! It’s funny, the dirt bike at the end’s electric motor makes it sound turbocharged :)
This is an incredibly creative use of existing technology. No idea if it will become mainstream, but I've been quietly wishing for something like this for years!
I cannot get over how cool this is! This literally gives people the option to DOWNLOAD ENGINES for their EVs.
Wow.. that's a really cool application of your simulator
this is so sophisticated, my goodness I am in awe!!
Wow, great demo! It’d be cool to see more videos really going into the weeds (almost tutorial like) of the math.
Wait hang on, I thought we were talking about engine sounds here, you're talking about controlling the actual vehicle with this? That's incredible!
I am a first year mech. eng. student and every recent AngeTheGreat video has perfectly matched my dynamics, linalg, and thermodynamics courses. I love to see the applications of the theory we learn in class.
one of the biggest problems I’ve had when riding an electric bike is that the powerband of a combustion engine is very important for fine control of the bike. You’re constantly manipulating the clutch and rpm to put down the proper amount of torque so you don’t spin the rear wheel. Different engines have a huge impact on how you ride the bike and there’s a lot of personal preference. To be able to emulate a realistic torque curve of any type of engine would be amazing. The audio feedback is also a huge part because it tells you what state the engine is in and if you can’t hear the bike it’s really weird to ride the bike. You even get this going from a 2 stroke to 4 stroke bike, as the 2 stroke bike has a much more reactive sound and the 4 stroke sounds like it’s constantly bogging in comparison, and it’s hard to tell if you’re near the rev limiter if you’re used to 2 stroke.
Basically, the first time I rode an electric bike it was hard to control the torque on tight trails, and even using the artificial torque curve option it was still strange and not quite as “usable” as a combustion engine. Plus the fact that you couldn’t really hear how hard the bike is working it was not as good as a combustion bike.
you keep surprising me every time, I might not be a fan of EV's but if your engine simulator evolves further and further and some engineers develop an actual manual transmission with clutch for them, I would give them a try 100% sure. I've been following ES for a while and every time there is a public release I get my hands on it to see new changes and play with the different engines, so I really hope driving games adopt your software and make us all feel like we are driving the real deal. You are simply amazing for sitting down and figuring the way to code this, and I feel if you could partner with Silicxon if they offer that you should take it. You have an amazing talent and I think working with them would help you polish even further the simulator, plus you would help make a brighter future for the car folk. I'm really excited where you get man, amazing work and I can't wait to see how further will ES get. KUDOS!
Just joined Ur patreon, love what your doing
Glad to have you, appreciate the support 🙏
Love to see the project going forward ❤ can you do a tutorial on how to change the engines ?
my mind was annihilated... again! great opportunity and a great way of preserving the I.C.E. . theres a lot of room for improvement but this is a massive opportunity to maybe find a middle ground for people interested in EVs but that also love the noises of gas-powered machines.
This is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life
4:52 Ha! Real clutches in cars have springs for the same reason! In bikes, there's a rubber buffer in the back wheel