Pokemon Scarlet and Violet Designs have a BIG PROBLEM
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- The new Pokemon designs from Scarlet and Violet have definitely gotten WORSE. They introduced 109 new Pokemon but many have a BIG PROBLEM. Including the paradox Pokemon. Lets find out why that is.
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Just to clarify the beginning. I should have said "and has a design that prioritizes a man made concept, it never looks good."
you make by far the worst pokemon takes ive seen
@@milkslugg Thank you 😁
Man, day of the dead is a Mexican tradition, not a Spanish one :V
@@pyrotron22 So sorry, I even knew that but it just slipped by me on recording. I also called Incineroar a sumo wrestler XD
I think quaxly's Evo is easily the wo4st one of the three
We went from struggling to pick your favorite starter to struggling to like a starter
who's we? this is the first gen since gen 3 where all 3 starters are cool looking
Just say Most people...because you know that not everyone feels the same way you do..
@@oranberry this is an uncommon opinion, the beginning forms maybe, but the end forms all look pretty bad.
@@davepumphernickel9568 Agreed, Fuecoco's final evolution looks like my shit. Same with the rest of the starter final evolutions.
Yup. I decided not to get the game because I didn't like any of them.
I was so happy to finally see a dolphin Pokémon ... just to find out what it turns into 🙃
Superman knockoff
No need to evolve it..
Honestly ive been liking the new more humanoid final evolution designs but I do agree about some of the pokemons not even looking like monsters
The issue with the idea of “they’re not monsters” is that there are plenty of humanoid monsters. Both in mythology and fiction.
While I like Ceruledge and armarouge design, they don’t feel like Pokémon. They looks like megaman.
I like the humanoid designs better when they look more serious and less like a cartoon mascot. Machamp, Toxicroak, and Greninja look awesome, but Mr Mime, Gothitelle, and Toxtricity just look plain silly.
@@camthesaxman3387 bruh what do you mean with Toxtricity? It fits in perfectly with Machamp and Toxicroak
Wait till you see some morbid image of it in internet or maybe a hentai story about it.
I do disagree with some parts. Something like bisharp is 100% a man made concept of a human warrior made out of swords, but I don’t see many people complaining about it. You can make it good “artificial” pokemon, i think it has more to do with the tone of the pokemon
Like how many people hate the starters, I think they are just overpowered by the theme they go for, so instead of being inspired by something regional, they look like a mascot for a tourist company
Well they are insipered by something regional for sure, they are all stage artist specialized in a traditionaly hispanic stage art. Personaly I like a lot more when the starters are linked with their region by a strong theme it makes them stand out insead of being just an other animal + plant/fire/water creature.
I think my most hated thing from gen 6 onward is the cartoony design change from the jump to 3d
Yea definitly easy to see the shift.
My most loved thing from gen6 onward is that they didn't continue the edgy and overcomplicated design trend gen5 tried to force on the franchise.
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh Not a shift, just circling back to the original style instead of following the gen5 trend of looking like digimons.
@@naproupi They definitely did go for a more complicated design scheme for gen 5, I agree some designs where too over the top.
@@naproupi As if that all the other generations don't have edgy designs themselves.
My biggest problem with modern pokemon designs is that, for most of them, I have difficulty telling what I’m looking at, and the names don’t always help.
For that reason the majority of designs I like come from gens 1-3, some from 4, and less from 5 and 6.
Gen 6 Pokemon are pretty tame compared to some of the stupid looking ones in gen 5 and gen 8. Every generation has a fair share of nice designs and silly designs, but some are better than others.
@@camthesaxman3387 some designs are so obnoxious and it blows my mind how did it make its way to the game... Art in game/show/comic should be consistent making it clear its from certain franchise. Meanwhile pokemon dont give a shit about it. Its like watching Dragonball and suddenly everything looks like from My Little Pony.
Having friends with different tastes in Pokemon than mine makes me look at this video not so much as "Designs have definitely gotten WORSE" but more like "Designs have definitely gotten WORSE IN MY OPINION".
Don't get me wrong, I have fairly similar preferences in Pokemon to you (Sharp eyes for Pokemon that are supposed to be rough and powerful, animal-based Pokemon that don't go too hard in their foreign or manmade concepts, not being a fan of overly mascotified designs) but different people have different preferences. As far as I've noticed, people actually seem to like the Tinkaton line and even I've found some fondness for it because I think it was creative to take the concept of a dwarf and make it cutesy instead of how dwarves are usually depicted in media. (And then there's the memes about it.) Which I guess also leads nicely into how I don't mind some Pokemon having rounder eyes, especially if they're meant to be more gentle. Dragonite wouldn't really work with Charizard or Tyranitar's eye shape since it's not actually that ferocious, unlike the hotheaded Charizard or insolent Tyranitar.
And then here's me playing Devil's Advocate: There's a fan for every Pokemon, even the non-animal and more humanoid designs. I've met people who like these designs, I'm even friends with someone who usually has opposite preferences when it comes to Pokemon. I can't see the creativity in the Violet Paradoxes but he loves the machine look, I'm choosing Scarlet for the Paradoxes in that game even though my friend thought they looked too "generic dinosaur-like".
Design is subjective like that, there's no pleasing everybody which is why Pokemon come in an array of different designs philosophies. Granted, I think there are definitely designs that just don't go over well because of some of the things you've pointed out before, like Sharpedo being animal-like but no longer animal-like enough but not machine-like enough either. A design "uncanny valley" of sorts.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. And I agree, art is subjective but I won't put that in the title since it's my video and is implied my opinion.
pidgey, although it's iconic and memorable, doesn't take it away from being just a bland design.
I will have to disagree on Meowscarada, as in terms of design it's actually my favorite line in like 15 years since Chimchar to Infernape.
I will agree to the fact that yes, quadrupedal to bipedal never feels good to see. But for me the be all end all will always be the overall design. And with how Lucario and Zeraora are among my favorite Pokémon designs with humanoid features, Meowscarada reminds me more of them, than with Pokémon like Incineroar and Cinderace.
Incineroar was the worse for me, mainly due to the fact Litten and its 2nd stage were both quadrapet. The moment it went bipedal for Incineroar however, was where things took a ridiculous turn cause it came out of nowhere. And unlike Meowscarada to me personally, Incineroars humanlike proportions are more egregious than any other Pokémon imaginable.
I love meowscrada’s design it’s now my 2nd favourite grass starter after decidueye. It’s design is soo unique and it has such an amazing personality
@@noice9193 Decidueye was definitely my favorite grass starter before Meowscarada came into the mix. I couldn't help but find them to be a tie for me, yet at the same time I feel like Meowscarada wins just slightly.
They are soo close for me but rowlet is a ball, that’s all that needs to be said
Gen 1 had some nice quadruped to biped evolutions like Rhyhorn to Rhydon and the Nidoran line, but I think those work because their bipedal evolved forms have a tough, kaiju like appearance. These newer bipedal Pokemon don't look as dominating.
Also floragato is just a stellar design on its own so bunted the impact fir some people
The moment you said a pokémon based on a man-made concept "never looks good" I called fucking bullshit. If they never look good then why are Greninja and Mimikyu so popular?
Greninja is only half based on human concepts. He is a ninja frog which works better than a Pokemon solely based on a man made concept such as icecream or skyscrapers.
And I don't even know what your point is with mimikyu... Its a disguise Pokemon... Lots of things in nature are capable of disgusting themselves to look like other creatures. I dont see how it's a man made concept.
1:30 watch there and I explain why Greninja works. I should have clarified but I did later in the video anyway. If its their priority in the design over conventional animal/monster anatomy, then it doesn't look good. It has to be subtly implemented, not obnoxiously obvious.
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh greninja is literally in a stereotypical ninja pose, a big stereotypical scarf and throws shurikens. it's only remaining frog aspects are the fact that the scarf is his tongue
Not every pokemon has to look natural
Tbh I really feel like Skeledirge's design feels like a Ken Sugimori design in spirit. He's a lot more angular, pointy, and jagged in design and a lot more animal-like plus it follows the philosphy of make a cool design then add a quirk to it. I do have a few issues but he's definitely one of my favorite mons ever
same
I do like it, but honestly, he kinda looks like a shoe box with a head (still better than the dancing duck)
Honestly Quaquaval is now my favorite designed Pokemon ever. I love the Carnival Dancer inspiration which is very Spanish given to a peacock. It reminds me of capoeira but in a more fun translation.
Glad you enjoy it! Love the variety of different opinions on a topic like this.
There is variety on this topic because i hate quaquavals design
Quaquaval is great in my opinion.
Spanish? I think it's more Brazilian
how is it Spanish?
I think what makes the designs of the starter evos for the past few generations controversial is the culture of the community and new design philosophy around starters. Back in the time around gens 3 and 4, starters didn’t have nearly the amount of expectation because their was fewer to compare to and the higher prominence of social media. Since like around gen 5 media platforms like reddit, twitter, youtube, etc. have grown exponentially and the culture of speculation around starters has led to thousands of fan concepts that can oversaturate our mind. By the time the actual starter evos get released, they’re just so jarring compared to what we the community had imagined. And considering that most starter final evos revolve around a theme nowadays, that theme isn’t really apparent in the base evolution which is why they often don’t correlate.
Sometimes this pays off with stuff like Rowlet to Decidueye and imo Fuecoco to Skeledirge. But other times it doesn’t like Sobble to Inteleon and Fennekin to Delphox.
I think you would really like Monster Hunter, as the creature designs are extremely high effort and you can tell how much the designers understand about actual animals. The monster doesn’t just have a design and powers, it has an entire ecology that justifies its existence. If the combat isn’t your cup of tea, I highly recommend trying the Stories spin-off games, as they’re the best monster collecting RPGs I’ve ever played that even have battle difficulty, exploration, and animation quality that Pokémon games have been lacking for the last decade (and no excuse since they both have free demos that transfer save data).
Sincerely,
A wildlife biologist that actually cares about monster designers understanding ecology and the animals they’re basing their creations from
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll definitely give it a look. Never played before so it'll be interesting.
Glad to be of service! I started playing Monster Hunter much later than Pokémon, but it quickly rose to becoming my favorite game franchise, mainly from the creature design and world building. The designs use imaginative realism to a great degree, which is used in a lot of dinosaur artwork these days. It’s the concept that the artist knows that the subject they’re designing does not exist, but they look to real examples from nature and the fossil record to make the design as believable as possible. The Monster Hunter monsters are the game world’s equivalent of normal animals, and it shows in the complete package. Elemental abilities don’t just exist to be cool, they serve a specific purpose in the monster’s daily life, like an animal evolves a specific trait to help it survive in its environment. Even if it’s not the most visually appealing design, the creature is perfectly adapted for the environment it lives in, which is enough for me to still call it a good design. This also leads to more unique interactions between different species, like predator/prey relationships, resource competition, and even mutualistic symbiosis. The world is extremely immersive because the devs chose a particular design philosophy and committed to it. Like you, I also believe that the natural, animalistic approach for monsters is more effective than the talking/humanoid/mechanized angle that is used by Digimon and SMT and it allows you to be more consistent when establishing the natural laws of the in-game world.
@@wildcatxpert676 Right, yea it is easier to make the monsters have a more consistent theme if they all stick to that more natural theme. And sounds like fun! Definitely sounds like an immersive game.
@@wildcatxpert676 👍🏻
I completely disagree. I think Meowscarada is the best of the three and one of my favourite starters.
Me two
@Mitistouchyamama What are you trying to say? Is it that you like simple designs and that’s why you like Pokémon?
I really like Incineroar's design, it's looks cool, intimidating and ferocious. I get that you're not a fan of Pokémon having more humanoid features but i really don't fully understand why you're not a fan of Incineroar's design but you know what, not everyone likes everything so that's fine.
I first I hated incineroars design because it looked to humanoid but it’s design has grown on me over the years
@@christianr1941 When I first saw Meowscarada I was like "EWWWW". But it grew on me quite quickly. As someone who like the Gen 7 starters trio the best ai can say than Inceneroar is the one I like the least but I like it a lot more than other starters.
I personally don't like it for the same reason I hate Mr. Mime. It looks and acts like a human in a costume. Freaks me out in the uncanny valley kinda way. And most bipedal mons don't bother me. The humanoid starters do though.
So, speting weeks to make a crearive not animal based pokemon is bad, but giving an normal animal simple electric power and make it yellow is super creative and cool? Interesting
Terrible take, how old are u 12?
Polteagiest has top tier design and you can’t prove me wrong
Ghosts are the acception, I said that in this video th-cam.com/video/RivPGWI16ZY/w-d-xo.html
Why does the the fire starters final evolution look so pixelated compared to the others. Or am just crazy?
Pixelated? Do you mean blocky?
@@MarioFRC32 its like the other two are clearly defined and skeledirge is like blurry or something.
Honestly I prefer the other two more than crocodile
Wow
Miraidon looks leagues better than Koraidon. In fact, I've read that a lot of players feel that way as they were gonna pick Violet instead of Scarlet before the Paradox Pokemon simply because of Miraidon.
Because of Ceruledge*
@@chomp_gd Both actually (Plus Gigachad Turo). Violet was the dominant pick before the Paradox Pokemons flipped it over.
I kind of agree but I don’t think the gap is that big.
Miraidon is better, only reason why I and most ppl I knew picked violet over scarlet xD Koraidon is a hippie as looking lizard with useless wheels that just look way to distracting when he is Running instead of Driving
@@summerdays3658 It's an opinion, yes. But it's an opinion of many people, not just mine. I like both actually, but Miraidon is agreed to look better by a lot of people. It's data.
"Meowscarda is the the worst!"
* makes is in the the top 3 favorite *
Owned.
I feel like you're neglecting the fact that there's only so many animals to make pokemon out of. At some point, they had to lean into more abstract concepts to avoid remaking the same pokemon over and over again. The whole thing that defines a pokemon from being different than a cartoon animal is the foreign concept added to them. Also, just like in real life, some pokemon are gonna be cut like blissey and finizen and not completely feral looking like charizard or garchomp. It's ok to say you have a preference to more edgy pokemon, but that doesn't make all the other pokemon that don't meet this convention bad.
Right, I mean since it's my video it's implied my opinion.
Yesss.
Glad I'm not the only one questioning why the future Paradoxes aren't all Steel-types.
What do you think about gholdengo? I think it's just too bizarre lol. I don't see how that's a pokemon.
It’s practically the cheese string mascot mixed with the silver surfer.
@@davepumphernickel9568 yeah, I must be in the minority though bc I can't find anyone posting about how its not a good pokemon lol.
I said in the video that I don't think its a good design at 1:32
This is your preference but a lot of monsters (think of mythology) ARE based on human concepts
I know I should have said that prioritises human concepts, my mistake.
i don’t want a soccer player on my team i want a monster that happens to like soccer
I have never minded the new design philosophy of pokemon. Because the first generation were essentially just cartoonized versions of basic animals like dogs, dragons, birds, cats etc.. And then they would kind of repeat that but with different elements like 'fire horse', 'electric mouse', 'rock snake'.
At least now, the design philosophy incorporates the lore and history of that region into the designs, even if some look kinda funky. Plus because the design inspirations aren't based on japanese mythology for the latest gens, a lot of them will be references to things we recognize like European unicorns, witches, knights, wrestlers etc..
So nidoran And dragonite were basic animals, Chariqzard is a basic animal , Swear yall use this fake excuse to defend these new designs its sad
@@ghostflossy2403 art is subjective. Just because you don't like the new designs doesn't make them bad. Everyone can have their own opinion.
Older generations also had Pokemon that were not based on Japanese mythology. Just because a region is based on a real location doesn't mean it has to reflect the location 100% or take influence from say location, that also doesn't matter if the execution doesn't work.
Not every new design is even based on western or even local lore.
Recent gens have designs that are honestly more simple but simple does not equal bad or uncreative,Lycanroc(sun) is a very simple design yet it's one of the favorites from gen 7, the 'electric mouse' is the literal mascot of Pokemon, older gens also have complex or ambiguous designs.
@@lardcartthegodart is not subjective, personal enchantment and objectivity are not the same thing, I'm not saying recent gens designs are horrible but you actually can criticize art from an objective stand point, there are many videos that go over this on TH-cam that you can check out.
If it wasn't we wouldn't have the ability to criticize at all, nobody would try to improve their skills and the fact that some designs or works of art are going to have more universal appeal than others.
@@eagle162 Based, but why can't it be both subjective and objective. Art is judged at the end of the day by one's interpretation of it. Art doesn't necessarily have any rules, and any sort of rules or set of criteria you add for an objective opinion of a piece of art may not apply to someone else's interpretation. Going back to the topic of pokemon, if pokemon were designed to appeal to as many people as possible, the design of pokemon over time would feel more like a bunch of corporate mascots than coloful creatures with cool powers. At least in my opinion, Gamefreak hasn't lost their touch in making pokemon.
Just comes down to preference is all. I kinda figured Spirgatito final form would be on 2 legs, I thought it resemble a flamenco dancer. Now it's a magician. Grass/Dark which is a pretty good typing combo in my book. Again, just preference.Some of then 9 mons look like kinda silly, let's be fair here, so did the monsters earlier gens. Especially in Gen 5 when you have an ice cream cone as a Pokemon.Or in Gen 1 when you have some poisonous sludge.
Feels more like a personal problem than an actual problem. It all comes down to preference. I personally prefer more monstrous looking starters but I'm not bothered by humanoid pokemon.
Art is subjective after all. Agreed
Are you sure it's a Big Problem? Or is it just personal taste? Meowscarada turned out to be my favorite Pokemon this generation.
I completely agree with this statement. Everyone has different tastes and trying to confine designs to a box is stupid.
Same...
Same
@@cooltubes547 I agree, every gen has amazing, good, mediocre and bad designs, the designs aren't getting worse just different and thats not necessarily bad
I agree the design and these newer Pokemon or just lawful especially that green cat thing same thing that happened to that fire cat Pokemon Sun and Moon I don't know why they keep doing that
Honestly happens every time, just want one cat starter to not stand up...
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh to be honest I think humanoid designs don't fit in pokemon 🤔 Digimon is known for having human type Digimon and it fits the series but pokemon isn't known for human like pokemon there more on the monster / animal side
1 word, furries
it's also why Lopunny exist
You know that "monster" is not synonymous with "animal", do you?
Again, It's interesting how in every single video about mon design you fail time and time again to detach your personal preferences from the analysis.
Case in point: when criticizing mons like Jinx you failed time and time again to account for their inception as Yokai, you know, *japanese monsters*. Hell, lots of Yokais are based on humanoid figures and inanimated objects, which makes them fit into the design philosophy this franchise has been adopting since it's beginnings. But then again, even mons literally based on animals like Bruxish (yes, even down to it's color scheme) are bad now, so what do I know?
Not every mon needs to appeal to anyone in particular, or me for that matter. In a franchise with over 1000 mons, the developers take pains to design a variety to mons to appeal to a variety of people and that's perfectly fine.
Yokais or not doesn't mean I have to like their designs. I don't like a yokai based off of half that fashion trend in japan where they tan themselves and have blond hair. And bruxish looks bad with a terrible and oversaturated colour scheme, just compare it to majikarp and its night and day.And your right, not every pokemon has to appeal to everyone. But there definitely is a design philosophy shift over recent years. And because it is my video it is implied that it's my opinion.
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh But here's the problem: the title of the video is not "my favorite pokemon designs" but "good pokemon designs", which leads the viewer to believe that your analysis is going to go beyond personal taste.
Case in point: you never brought up any mons that you do not personally like but still think are well designed, which is a problem.
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh Now let's talk about Bruxish:
Bruxish is based on a reef triggerfish with a psychedelic color scheme that plays into it's typing. It's shape and color are meant to make it pop out, with the latter being very on point with the species it is based on, it's meant to be bizarre. On the other hand, Magikarp is based on a carp and is meant to be plain and mundane, as it's pokedex entry tells us. It makes no sense to compare these two mons or expect them to be follow the same design principles considering how they were designed with such contrasting philosophies.
You need not to like it, but to simply dismiss Bruxish as a badly designed mon is an objectively wrong take.
@@gsp6517 I'm not gonna name my video "What I think makes a good Pokémon design" because I said "I like desings that are more grounded in nature" and other things in the video to obviously imply its my opinion, because art is subjective. Thats the whole point of the video. It's my subjective opinion on what makes a good pokemon design and any pokemon that doesn't follow the things I listed in the video, I don't considered designed well. The fact that we are having this long discussion (and the countless different opinions shown in the beginning of that video and all my other videos comment section) further proves that point. In my "Are pokemon games getting worse" video, I mentioned subjective opinion and objective opinion because thats a topic that can objectively be analyzed.
@@gsp6517 Making a pokemon pink doesn't automatically mean it refers to psychic type, and it has Women like lips and eye lashes... Its not a bad animal to base a pokemon on... But again I prefer it looking abit more natural, especially the face. I'm just saying Majikarp, or even a fish pokemon like Basculin, can have a less loud colour scheme and a more natural look but still convey what kind of personality they have without the need of an obnoxious human like smile like seen on bruxish and the colour vomit it has. So yes it has elements of design that I consider to be bad.
Fuecoco might just be my favorite starter first evo... that said its evolution might just be one of my least favorite starters! As a standalone design its just not great but as an evo to fuecoco its just horrible! It just has nothing to do with its preevolutions at all! I also don't like the other starters at all but they aren't as bad for me.
Interesting opinion, it definitely is not very correlated with its first form.
I don't think that man-made concepts dominating a pokemon's design is an inherent flaw, more like a preference of whether someone likes it or not. Some people have Palafin, Gholdengo, Kingambit, etc. while other people love these designs. But the designs are still well thought out to at least try and be appealing, so I wouldn't say any of these designs are inherently flawed.
I think some designs of the Scarlet and Violet are actually closer to Digimon. Hoped that the team won't go any step further; otherwise, it would become a nightmare.
The only thing I liked about future Pokémon was that a lot of the species they picked are most likely gonna be extinct in the future penguins, elephants, dragon/Dino’s moths all face extinction from either our actions or have been dead for a while so I think that was a slightly darker twist you could catch just simply us making Pokémon battle n capturing them outta their natural habitats forced certain species to go extinct so they had to make robot versions I think that’s what they where goin for
I disagree.
I was one that was worried for Sprig after the major disappointment if my adorable Litten, but Meowscarada is the only non-horrible looking starter this gen to me.
Donald looks horribly horribly bad, and I don't like the flames coming out of the other's mouth or that terrible thing on its nose.
True
Lol yes I wanted to like the alligator starter because I love reptiles and I love ghost types but the flames are so ugly and that nose thing is weird so I ended up picking the cat, might ditch the starter though but idk yet I'll have to see how I feel about it when it evolves :/
Personally I really dislike Skeledirge and quite like Meowscarada and Quaquaval. Skeledirge one of the few pokemon I've looked at and gone "Damn, this would look a lot better if it was bipedal." (and just modeled smoother in general)
A lot of the fanart of Skeledirge I've seen makes it look AWESOME. The model doesn't do it justice at all and is way too angular in the mouth area. Its eyes look really derpy on the model and it looks quite disproportionate. On first glance, it seems like all of the love in the design was put into the face and the rest of its body is kind of bland. If it was bipedal, (in a stance like Feraligatr, which still makes it monsterous) you'd be able to more clearly see the tuxedo-like pattern on its chest that really sells it as a performer like the other two starters of the region. (Meowscarada = Magician, Quaquaval = Dancer/Fighter, Skeledirge = Singer) Personally I'd've rounded its snout a bit and made the fire texture on it look a bit more menacing and less like.. weird hair? I also would have proportioned the top of the head and snout differently, as well as making the patterns on it more pronounced, with thicker legs to support it standing on two legs.
I agreed with you on the monster like Pokemon, but Palafin and Tinkaton are two of my favorites in the gen. I think both styles of Pokemon have a place.
I also disagree that Koraidon looks better than Miraidon. Koraidon looks super goofy to me, I hate how it runs/swims/climbs and playing through Scarlet with that thing was a slog because I found myself physically cringing at the movement animation of Koraidon. (Played Violet first)
Its big head feathers in its battle form are really weird and seem out of place, the design feels really busy while being too plain at the same time and I honestly have no idea how I'd've designed it to look better, myself, because I just don't like anything about it to begin with. For Koraidon to look good to me, I'd have to change it in its entirety.
I overall enjoy the futuristic aesthetic more than the past aesthetic but I wish they'd taken a more creative approach to future forms. I wasn't expecting them all to be robots when I picked up Violet and that was a major disappointment. I do like the past forms better overall, but I think the main reason people think Miraidon is bad is because the "future paradox" mons being all metal has hammered in the trope too far. If Miraidon was the only one it would've been better and actually made sense that a motorbike-like Pokemon adapt to be metallic in the future if people were riding it around. I don't like the robot approach to them, and think we could've gotten better designs for them, even if some of them remained robots (I'd love to see a mecha ttar based on the Pokestar Studios one, for example).
I also think making all of the future paradox all metal was over doing the trope way to far. And I'm not sure if I'd like a bipedal Skele but do agree that some of its body should be less sharper and jagged, plus as you said the model doesn't help with that either. Interesting opinion overall and thanks for going into detail on why you disagree, respect your opinion.
Meowscarada is better then Gay duck in every way for me, the fact it stood up makes all sense in a world, it looks good, and you are forgetting that art is subjective.
All future forms, in the other hand, are freaking future, that's why they are like that. They are man made completely.
wait why did you put sandy shocks with the future paradox forms?
🤣 my mistake i forgot, it's a good thing I said some of the past paradox forms.
Koraidons wheel don’t even turn. It’s so weird seeing people ride it. When all it does is run on its feet, it a little awkward.
100%
yoooooo the overall designs on this game are pretty bad, but don't talk bad about Tinkaton, she's literally the best pokemon ever made.
Is it bad that I am kinda glad pokemon have a less traditional design? I don't know I am a huge sucker for quirky monsters
I know starters don't really have to resemble something from the real life places each region is based on, but Paldea already looks like and feels kinda generic and not very Spain-like most of the time, so having Skeledirge be based on mexican simbolism is maybe not the best choice?
I still think it's super cool looking and it's the one I picked.
I think the starters were meant to be inspired by Hispanic/Latino cultural traditions which the Iberian Peninsula (Spain/Portugal) had a large influence on due to colonialism. Meowscarada is clearly the most Spain inspired, while Skeledirge takes from Mexico, and Quaquaval taking from Brazil.
Yeh that is true, unlike in Galar and Aloa where 99% of the Pokemon where inspired by the region I feel like in Paldea only an handfull of them are. For example I like Dondozo but what dose a gigant catfish sushi chef pokemon has to do with spain?
0:27 you know that el dia de los muertos isn't from Spain right? It's mexican. The only thing spanish about it is the language
Quaxly is the best in game imo, the gator would be better in 2D but it feels like they didn’t think about glee it would translate in 3D at all
Honestly I love Garaffids evolution. And many of the colors look good. But yeah, the humanoid starters are getting frusturating. I honestly just dumped them as soon as they evolved. Which is sad, because I used to love all the starter designs up until gen 7.
monsters are not always quadrupedal tho your just incorrect and nitpicking lol
Na your right but they look so much better when they are standing on all 4s, especially if their animal also does.
"A sumo wrestler" shows Incineroar, a pokemon clearly inspired by sensationalized WWE wrestling. Tells me everything I need to know about this video tbh.
He also said the day of the dead comes from SPAIN? what the hell
@@gabyaldana1304 yeah I left a comment about that but for some reason it got deleted. Thought it was common knowledge that Dia de los Muertos was a Mexican holiday.
Garganacl is the best design this gen. Can't change my mind.
A lot of people in the comments seem to disagree, myself included. Yes, some pokemon will be more popular than others but there are no rules on what a pokemon should look like and what it can be. Some are cute, some are cool some are "on the nose" and some are off the wall wtf and that's what makes them awesome. New designs are dope
Just to clarify I never said there are definitive rules, but because it's my video (thus my opinion) these are my rules for liking a pokemon. Art is subjective and I respect that.
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh Respect
Actually, there are rules for what pokemon should look like, at least if you want them to become as popular as possible, which is def in Nintendo's best interest. It's called conventional attraction, a natural standard of beauty with difinitive traits that cannot be argued beyond certain points.
Many people like to think that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but this is a lie used to justify poor taste or to refrain from offending someone.
Obviously you're allowed to like whatever you want, but you're objectively wrong if you think most of the new pokemon designs are good... There's a reason why nearly everyone prefers pokemon from gens 1-4, and it's the whole reason the author made this video to begin with.
He probably wouldn't have bothered if he didn't get the feeling that many of us were as disappointed as him, and he's right to think so...
In short, your opinion sucks.
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh Art is subjective, but only if you're not making something for a broad audience. Pokemon has undoubtedly stagnated and declined in their pokemon designs, stick to your guns man, you know what's up.
I'm sorry but I cannot for the life of me stand Quaquaval's pompous butt, eyebrows and head thingy. I also think the colouring on it is ovewhelmingly one-dimensional (the whole body is a single shade of blue). And when it comes to Skeleridge I have to say that the proportions look silly, the face looks ugly, the whole thing is overly polygonal and the colour patches on its face do nothing for it either.
> Now I have to say that I don't really like Meowscarada, but it is the one that offends me the least of the three. The cape-thing I think looks elegant, the proportions aren't too bad and even though it's another humanoid evo, I think that's all the fault there is to it.
Edit: overall, the worst final evos of any pokémon game yet (worse than 6 and 8)
It's kind of funny you say Koraidon is a much better design. Because Violet sold a lot more than Scarlet because most people preferred Miraidon. I can't even finish my pokedex in Violet because I can't find anyone who have Scarlet exclusive Pokémon online.
Not to blame James turner but…
Miraidons wheel on the front is prob a dewlap and his bottom one is obviously a tail but I think you knew that last one
2:59 hold up, where did that pokemon get that hammer?
Corviknight
I'm really glad gamefreak doesn't design Pokemon to please you specifically
Your videos are well made and articulated very well, I'm enjoying listening to your Pokemon opinions, but man I do not agree with them LOL XD
Lol what a bad take, imagine defending gen 9 Pokémon that look like humanoid goof balls 🥴. This is why the franchise has been declining so badly after gen 5
People like you defending absolute garbage and paying for this crap
What do you mean by worst? Meowscarada is the best evolution out of the three
I say 2nd best
I disagree, they basically took a cat and turned it into a anthropomorphic human masquerade jester thing... Which make no utter sense and also looks like garbage. They All look horrible.. but the two humanoid evolution are exactly whats wrong with these new aged Pokemon designs in my opinion. They all end up looking like furry cosplayers
@@invaderIRK1 ah yes because mewtwo, lopunny, lucario, blaziken, hariyama, Mr mime, and many other humanoid Pokémon never existed until this gen 😂 fucking hypocrite clown
Then why are most people choosing skeledirge?
@@invaderIRK1 meowscarada as an magitian isn't bad, and it does make sense because is mascarade reference and zoro, and been pibital isn't that bad, mewtwo and lucario are also bipidals
A magic mage? Are there other kinds of mages?
Gholdengo is my favorite ghost type :(
Hoopsandhiphop did a video showing better designs for the starters evolutions and with better lore for their designs.
Dudunsparce: oh hi
a lot of people are fawning and drawing questionable meowscarada art O.o
Most of them are pretty bad. I mean not that I would know
So, designs based on mostly man made concepts are bad because...Yeah, you are seeing the holes to? Like, in the video he just says that is is bad because it is, like no facts and logic, he was basically just saying that his opinion was right and better then anyone else's.
Also, what the problem with the pokemon colors being more vabrating? It is a kids game so it makes sense to be like that and whats the problem with a poison/STEEL type pokemon being based on a car and not in an animal? Bruh
My fuecoco 🥺🥺 they didn't make you imposant like you should be
Yeah... Personally I'd say it's less of an old style vs new style thing and more of a good design vs bad design thing. Personally I don't care for Flamigo, it's basically a discount Hawlucha with about as boring and basic of a design as you can get. But I'm fine with Meowscarada because the stage magician inspiration works in my opinion. I do agree that Gen 9 has new designs that are leagues better than galars, but honestly this whole debate boils down to taste a lot of the time. Side note, glad to find a fellow Grapploct enjoyer, I love that thing.
I feel like people exaggerate when they complain about pokemon designs, I really liked a lot of them until gen 7, gen 8 and 9 have one too many bad designs for me.
Hero of sinnoh try not to absolutely demolished new starter's final forms challenge. 3, 2, 1, go!
Not gonna lie fuecocos final form has grown on me abit but yea the other ones are still a struggle 😂
Someone clearly doesn’t know anything about Pokémon lore.
🤣 Yep
Meowscarada doesn't look so bad, but even still though the fakemon designs I've seen on Google look better than this
even the bipedial ones?
@@goGothitaLOL yes even the bipedal ones, bipedalism is epic
I actually think Sprigattito final ev is the best, not because I think it's good, it really is bad. But I hate the other two a lot more. Not keeping my starter this time arround
Not even a minute in and I disagree with everything that was just said, meowscarada is miles better than the other final evos of this generation from design alone.
I disagree.. i dont prefer my Pokemon's final evolution looking like furry cosplayers. I think thats a stupid idea for a Pokemon designs. Pokemon who evolve to become something that looks closer to a human in a costume just to fit a certain theme or motifs are not creative designs.
Furry=\= bad design
You wouldn’t know creative if it bit you on your butt you just blindly hate furries
@@invaderIRK1 I hope you know that's how majority of Pokemon are created they all serve to reference something in real life, just because this one is a furry and stands doesn't make it uncreative lmao if this one is bad I wonder how you feel about Greninja or any other standing pokemon.
@@kianakhaos8609
Dude, Incineroar is literally furry bait and it looks so much more cohesive than meowscarada. It straight up looks uncanny. The sad part is that it have one of the better and cooler inspiration for it's design, but missed the mark on everything. That thing hardly looks like a cat, let alone something that was once kitten at one point.
This video is alright except for the fact that you assumed Flamigo is a good design lmao.
hehe either way appreciate it!
I can't believe they copy-pasted the designs of Tentacool and Tentacruel and just changed some colors, and moved the model to a different pose. (Toedscool and Toedscruel) For heaven's sake they didn't even change the name. There's just no excuse for it. It's like them making a literal living water bubble, but be a recolored Voltorb/ Electrode but called Bubblorb/ Hydrode
Gholdengo and Melmetal still piss me off more than anything else. They had so much potential in their first forms, but like everything else it has to anthropomorphized for god forsaken reason.
Toedscruel is a convergent Pokémon so it’s supposed to look similar. I understand the issue of it looking too much like a regional variant and not an entirely new species but then would you accept it as a regional variant?
Wugtrio though imo is atrocious
Then you never heard of Convergent Evolution I see?
I kinda like the convergent evolution idea, but I think they went too far with it and made them too similar. A water worm trio Pokemon is cool, but does it have to look almost identical to dugtrio?
@@camthesaxman3387 that was my complaint too When I saw it lol
Incineraor was cool looking.
yes meowscarada looks like a cat furry but atleast they made it good
You know right I just don't agree with him on good,or bad pokemon
Monster Rancher(Past) > Digimon(Future)
Pawmi evolution line suck in design
Pawmi ok cute
Pawmo isn't this pawmi but just in two legs?
Pawmot isn't this just Pawmo who doesn't cut his hair?
The eyes ruin the designs the most in my opinion
They're so stupid looking
I don't know what it's called but the moment I saw that bird with family guy eyes I was done
incomprehensible, may God age mercy on your soul
Dude you just jealous that meowscarada stand up on two legs like braixen and delphox (aka my favorite fire type pokemon instead greninja) like come on show must respect dude I am not mad I am just hate how everyone hates the final evolution of those 3 like for real pokemon fans are really different for now on like wtf?
What is wrong with this world. 😑
SPANISH DAY OF THE DEADS????? EXCUSE ME???? día de muertos is NOT from spain
Sorry my mistake, I know this but somehow slipped by me.
And then theres a bush, a flamingo and mouse which not a pokeMON but rather pokeNIMAL or pokeLAZY
Discordo plenamente da sua opinião sobre os iniciais
I fully agree. The designs of the starters and most of the new pokemon in scarlet and violet are not very good at all and are lazily designed. They even look fairly amateurish.
Dang this video is getting a lot of controversy xD
🤣 discussing opposite oppinions is always healthy and really fun.
The depression for having the cat evolveing hit new heights on stage 3 cause it gained a damn Catwalk model Catwalk as a signature move 💀
I feel like there is a bit of bias against newer gen mons in the comments here. Opinions sure are interesting tho, nice vid.
Thanks! And honestly it's so interesting looking at all the different opinions.
Meowscarada is literally Delphox if it were a Grass type. I definitely agree that making a quadrupedal animal bipedal and defining its design with a concept that is too foreign for animals or monsters to have doesn't look good. This is more excusable for Fighting and Ghost types, because Fighting types tend to be more humanoid, while Ghost types can possess objects.
I may not dislike Meowscarada as much as Delphox, but it's still my second least favorite starter due to Sprigatito suffering the "Fennekin treatment", but not as severely.
Great video! Road to 1k going hard
haha Thanks! Appreciate it. Hopefully we can make it happen. You to as well keep pushing we will reach it!
Honestly Pokemon used to be the shit since Generation 1 all the way to x y and z and now days it's just a shit show
I completely disagree with your view on the new starters and their based form. Saturated colors aside ( imo is not an issue, they already conveyed good designs with mostly good colors, enough for me) They resemble totally on the first gens and their designs really fits the "minimalist and no-oversaturated animal concept" on them but with a new "art style". Springatito and the metrosexual duck perfectly could be 2nd gen pokemons but, as I said, in other art style and that's not bad.
With that said, I do agree that their final evos. Are a wasted potential to be great designs, totally disappointed
Pokeman gotta slave them all
3:32 😂😂😂
after the pokemon gen 5 reboot, the designs started going downhill
Sumo?
My mistake, I should have just said wrestling.
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh o corpo bípede é melhor que o quadrúpede.
meowscarada é interessante e me lembra o gato de botas
@@Leonardovideogoes Although that's true, I don't like pokemon being based off of concepts that are too man made.
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh é um mago + bobo da corte + gato de botas, acho tão divertido e bem feito podendo trazer tanto momentos criativo
@@Hero_of_Sinnoh todo os pokemon paradoxo do futuro demonstra o avanço tecnológico capaz de criar vida artificial.
Máquina com vinda
Palafin is cringe... 😂😂😂
i dont like fuecoco, its not cute