What's The BEST Sportscar Transmission? Manual vs Automatic Toyota Supra!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2023
- 👋 Let's do this! After selling my automatic Toyota Supra over a year ago and then recently buying the all new 2023 Manual Transmission Toyota Supra, today we compare the automatic Supra to the manual Supra back to back! I am loving the 6 speed manual in the Toyota Supra and it fits my taste so well! However I did love the benefits on my automatic Supra while I owned it. So today we check out this pre-owned 2022 Toyota Supra equipped with the ZF 8 speed automatic and compare all of the benefits and negatives with the auto Supra vs the 6 speed manual Supra. We also talk a bit about transmission choice in general for modern sportscar and all the pros and cons of having an automatic or manual. The benefits of an automatic sportscar is that they are faster! Modern autos are lightning quick to make a gear change and simply end up producing faster lap times and better drag race times. A human just could never shift a manual as fast. Automatics are also convenient. Owning a cool sportscar like a Supra is a lot of fun especially when it can be a commuter daily driver, and still be a fun toy. Drive it in automatic during the week, and then play with the paddle shifters when you want some fun! Modern automatics typically have more gears and actually get better MPG then the manual counterpart as well! It's also super easy to drive and anyone can drive a modern sportscar with an auto quite fast! Biggest drawback of an automatic is that they can get boring. While there are many benefits, depending on how you'll drive the car, you could get bored having an auto. I ended up selling my auto Supra because I missed a manual and got bored with it. Manuals offer one major benefits. Which is the fun factor. Simple like nothing else and really let you be connected to the car and its just a blast in the right setting. Overall it's great to know that the Toyota Supra has such a good automatic that your still getting all of the fun out of the car, and many other automatic sportscars can be just as fun. But if your sportscar is more of a play car, the manual will just be a blast!
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What's The BEST Sportscar Transmission? Manual vs Automatic Toyota Supra!
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Auto is faster, more convenient. Manual is funner.
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True! Just depends on what you want.
They are both fun!
@@BrosFOURRSpeed If the Supra GRMN final run comes out in 2025 like they are saying with 500hp stock, I might consider it Automatic if I get tired of the A91 manual. Like the Challenger is being sent off in style with the new one, I can't wait to see what the GRMN has in store
@@chrisginoc Yeah that'd be cool to come out! If they come out with a manual option I'll still buy that. Be cool to buy one of the last modern turbo cars in a manual!
What most people dont understand is that ZF8 transmission is straight GODLY ! Theres a reason why its in 10+ other car brands that have the same transmission
It’s a great transmission for sure! Glad Toyota used that Vs a “normal” auto.
I have a 2023 Supra A91 6MT. Trust me the Automatic Supra is slightly faster than the Manual, but the Auto is not engaging or as fun. The Manual is not worth it if you are in a lot of traffic in big cities. Get an Auto if it's a daily in the city. Get a Manual if it's a fun weekend, date night, canyon cruiser, etc type of car. I have no regrets at how rewarding my Manual Supra is.
Very true! I love how versatile the auto Supra is for daily use and fun factor. But the manual opens up that engagement level on the back roads!
How is the gear spacing on the manual? Do all gears seem to pull pretty hard or did the gear the manual transmission poorly?
I bought a 6 speed M/T Scion FRS when they first came out. Didn’t even know how to drive a manual at the time so it was fun getting it off the lot to say the least haha, but I had fun with it. Now that I’m older and about to hit midlife crisis age 39 pushing 40, I’m thinking of upgrading to one of these. Driving my Scion has been a bit of a pain lately though as I live in Honolulu and traffic is terrible to say the least. It’s nice to know I wouldn’t be losing out if I decide on the auto. Still undecided though.
For me..auto is okay if im tired or in traffic jams.
Yeah it's nice for traffic. Especially with the adaptive cruise control in these being so good! Makes traffic jams a breeze!
Recently got in an accident and totaled my 2021 AT Supra. When I bought the car the manual didn’t exist but now I have the option of either transmission. This video really helped but I’m still super split on which one to get as it is my daily but when I had the AT I did long for a manual.
I love the manual! Just depends on the traffic you are in on a daily basis! I’m not in a lot of stop and go traffic and it’s not my daily but you’ll love the manual if you go with it! Both are fun though!
I used to be all about the manuals, the autos have gotten so good I stopped caring about the manuals, too many draw backs.
What are the drawbacks?
@@BrosFOURRSpeed traffic, slower performance 0-60, 1/4 mile, 60-130 etc. the only benefit to manual is a subjective “fun” factor. I think winning is fun, give me a DCT, ZF8 or 10 spd auto.
@@Superdimensional Yeah very true. Crazy how good autos have become. But still can't beat a manual for that old school fun factor
@@BrosFOURRSpeed i just swapped from a manual focus st to a a91 supra auto and you can drive it just like a manual and its quicker i honestly cant see why i would want a stick ever again. theres a reason Ferrari and Lamborghini dont make them anymore
Same same
If you DID have to drive the manual Supra in stop and go traffic, would it be tiresome? Is the clutch heavy? I’m also split between the 2 transmissions. Leaning more towards the manual tho.
It's not that heavy, but you could get used to it. A lot of people daily drive manuals, so it just depends on if you want to. My bother and I both own manual cars right now and don't mind it!
Now that you’ve had it for a little, Have you noticed any slipping or jerkiness from 1st to 2nd? Any issues with excess rev hang in any gear? Any complaints about the clutch, gear engagement or rev matching?
No complaints with rev hang or rev matching. Very good transmission to operate. 1st to 2nd isnt the quacking gear change in this for sure. But other then that it's buttery smooth and really so much fun to drive!
@@BrosFOURRSpeed thanks for the reply! Good to hear! Kind of a bummer about 1-2 since those are your 0-60/launching gears but glad you’re liking it overall
@@jmanlevan Yeah it takes some getting used to. Just have to do a slower shift. I hardly ever rip on a car in 1st gear tho. I always get to 2nd and then push it
I've had manuals, including a Mustang GT.
I'm currently driving a 2022 BMW M240i xdive. The BMW M240i xdrive, has basically the same BMW engine and ZF trans as the GR Supra automatic. I can honestly say after experiencing the "unbelievable" ZF 8-speed auto, I would never get a Supra with a manual, even if it was just a weekend fun car.
As you say, when shifting the BMW ZF auto (or in this case the Supra auto) in manual mode, it's much faster and has much quicker shifts than the manual. And that added performance from the auto just equates to "more driver fun". And in my book, more performance and more fun, by default, equates to more car and driver/driving engagement.
The automatic's better MPGs and being the better daily are just icing on the cake, which I would gladly give up if the manual was faster and better performing - but it isn't.
Bob
Yeah that’s an awesome car! I haven’t driven the 240 yet. But I’m sure it feels very similar to the Supra. ZF 8 speed does have so many benefits! Just depends on your taste. I like the manual Supra because it makes me work for it and is that old school engagement. Can’t argue with the better performing the auto tho
The manual Supra outlaps the auto on the track lol
What do u do for a living
GR86 is my first manual, I got it because I wanted to enjoy driving, and it has fit the bill. It has me to the point where the next car I get will be a manual also. The engagement just makes you look forward to driving every day, which used to be the opposite for me.
Oh nice! GR86 is such a good option. Definitely fun having the manuals in these cars
Couple points you forgot for the manual.
1 - 6mt Supra should hold value better than the Auto due to limited supply and higher demand.
2 - 6mt is annoying if you put drinks in the cup holder. - This contributes to your point on practicality
Another thing you didnt touch on but is a reason for the performance difference, is the boost. When you shift in the 6mt car you interrupt power and therefore boost. The car takes time to re-build boost in-between shifts. Its not much time but it all adds up. In the Auto there is no loss of boost or power so the performance difference grows incrementally.
Agree with your other points, nice video.
A Stratosphere blue in 6spd will be mine in a few weeks. My last manual was a 993 & it was brilliant in its own way. The physical emotional connection is hard to describe to someone who's never driven one. In this day & age of technology sometimes its cool to take a step back.
You’ll definitely enjoy it and that’s a nice color for it!!
Wow very jealous of u
i was trying to hold out for a strato MT but got offered a Noc MT for MSRP. couldn't resist
got one in lightning yellow a91 mt supra taking deliver in april 2024 in thailand.
How does the on-off throttle response feel in the manual vs auto? Is the manual much tighter? In other worse, how is the drive train slop/lash?
I'd say you feel a bit of the engine twisting in the manual. I know some people swap these cars to more heavy duty motor mounts. But the auto you don't notice it as much.
Very good video. Do you think in the long run the manual Supra will hold a higher resale value than the automatic Supra?
I think so. Every cool car in the past, the manual holds better value. Both are great choice tho and have so much to offer. But I definitely won't just sell this car on a whim
Do you think you will install a short shift kit on your buggy?
If someone makes on I won't say no! But it doesn't feel like it needs one. Be cool to see tho
Do you have the active sound design BimmerCoded out in your manual?
Everything is still stock. It I’ll be doing a video on that soon turning off all the fake stuff 😅
I'm about to put the trigger on the 2024 45th anniversary edition. My dealer has one but its auto. I was looking for the manual but I live in Atlanta and traffic is horrible here and I remember how much of a pain a manual can be in bumper to bumper traffic.
Yeah if you have a lot of traffic, go auto. Awesome car and a great transmission!
Hi brian. 👋🏽 Does the manual have anti roll if your are on an incline from a dead stop?
I have a manual Supra and I can say it does. Even at a slight incline it stops you from rolling back.
Yup! Works very seemless. Not sure if you can turn it off or not. But it's a nice feature to have to take out the rolling back
@@rocko2darla Works pretty well!
Thanks Brian and txt392. Good to know. Got a manual rsx and manual z. Living in the city with narrow parking structures where it requires frequent stops on steep inclines .. I would find that useful! Thank u ✌️
@@Guirrmoyeah no problem! Definitely need help like that with that kind of driving
I am all for automatic. People overplay the role of manual shifting, it's not efficient and it sounds more like 'elitism' - that I drive manual. There is more to enjoy driving than shifting gears. With automatic, you truly enjoy driving. Sorry. It's like saying I don't like the push button starts, I like to crank the engine with a handle as you feel part of the car.
With a manual, I truly enjoy driving, so you can't speak for everyone...if you enjoy an auto, great, some people will enjoy a manual just as much as you enjoy your auto..everyone will have a different perspective and no one is correct. Just depends on what will make the owner happy. I currently own two manuals and love them!
What mods are on your 2023 MT?
In this video it was just an intake . More to come tho!
For me, with manual, the car is part of you, and with automatic, you are part of the car.
I’m starting to switch my opinion on manuals now that I like drag racing in trying to switch over to auto
Yeah I can see that. Just can’t compete with the shifting times of these modern autos
Whats the point of dragging an Auto,Theres no skill used,You might as well just check which car is faster and get the results
@@REDBERRET1916That’s actually a good point. Like I said in the video, anyone can drive a fast car fast. Manual would actually separate drivers in a drag racer to see not only the faster car, but the better driver too. Good point
Every car I have owned has been a manual including my current Megane 4RS. Yes automatics (and I have driven a few including the dual clutch Megane 4RS) have come a long, long way and on the whole can be better especially for daily and spirited driving....but for engagement and ultimate control, understanding exactly when to change or using the engine to brake as you drop down a gear, going around a corner, the manual is just unbeatable and it wont upshift or downshift when you do not want it to.... Still with the EV world looming ahead, manuals will be a thing of the past..sad.
So true! Something special about driving a manual!
Would you say that the manual Supra isn’t a beginner friendly car for people learning manual?
I'd say in the middle. A GR86, Civic Si, WRX would be bit easier. However, I'll be teaching my wife to drive manual on the Supra. Might as well learn on the car shell drive. The Supra isnt as forgiving as the other cars clutches and this shifter takes a bit more muscle. But should be still doable to learn on
Most modern manuals are easy to drive. Just go for it! It's sad to get an auto JUST because you can't drive manual
@@philspaghet true, I tried to learn in a 1999 mustang and it kinda freaked me out a little too much for me to try again. (Or maybe it was the instructor who freaked me out) I would love to try again
@@vicwhereareyou I have a 1998 Mustang and I can understand, they have pretty heavy clutches and notchy gear shifters. With old V8 cars like that you have to be a little rough with them.
Also, don't freak out, just because it's new and you're not used to it doesn't mean it's impossible! Cars make noise and move around, it's normal, do a couple donuts to get it out of your system lol
@@philspaghet haha thank you! You gave me confidence to try again!
a good automactic like the zf8hp/dct will shift perfectly up and down bliping perfectly everytime but its not you who getting it done there is a feeling of awe in the capability of the car but not really in yourself the manual on the other hand old fashion as it is never feels slow or unreponsive it will alway respond to your actions be it right or wrong nailing a heel and toe down shift or a perfect luanch by balancing the trottle and clutch from the dig when you get it right it feels amazing you feel like your growing with the car manual cars feels amazing soley beacause in a way it reflect back upon you as a driver while dct or sporty atomatic somtime mask the skill of the driver going quick on a twisty road with automactic is faster sure but doing with a good manual is simply a whole different level of engagement.
Nobody cares. Especially if you can buy both. Being able to consistently afford things is all that matters
I would probably get automatic because of city life. Excellent video man thank you.
Yeah definitely a great way to go for the city!
if you want fast times at the drag strip on weekends then go AT. If you enjoy being engaged with the vehicle no matter what you are doing the go MT
Very true!
One kinda downfall with AT you can't really tune it. Yeah, they are tunable like the duel clutch GTR but everyday automatics cannot be tuned. Am I wrong? Find me a shop that can tune my economy car and you've got my money!! Good comparison Brian!
Why would u wanna tune a transmission in everyday car (which most likely its not for racing ) for ?
They are tuned for gas saving and longevity from factory .
Yeah good point! I think with the Supra, there is a minor adjustment that happens when you do tune the ECU to the transmission. But I think it's more of a shift point adjustment. With DCT there is a lot more adjustments to be made for sure! But these seem to handle more power very good without needed adjustments. I think when it comes to needing to tune the ZF, you just rebuild it and overhaul it lol. Good point tho!
@@justadad44 It's nice to adjust some things like shift points or the pressure it will hold to not slip with more engine power. DCT cars have a lot of transmission tuning options which helps even in road cars.
@Just a Dad My reason is an extra 20 -35hp nothing outrageous - no 400hp or something like that. Bolt ons and aftermarket suspension is fine for my economy box.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed yea fair point. I and I agree with benefits for some users , and having option to tune it def a perk. But unless u adding more serious hp gain not sure just how beneficial might be overall
You’d think a manual would stop people from stealing it….unless you live in a race town where everyone can drive a manual like I do🤣🤣
Just watched a video of a carjacking and they couldn’t steal the car because it was a stick!
I have an auto Supra since I daily drive it. Also still need to learn manual-maybe for a second sports car like an older muscle car .
Oh nice! Great way to go for a daily!
The new autos on performance cars are not like the old ones. Try buying the best track focus porsche rs3 and it will only be available auto
Oh for sure! Modern autos weather its a DCT or ZF 8 speed shift so quick and precise they make for good track cars. But the manuals are a blast to just have fun
MT overall for me.
Can’t go wrong with the old school manuals!
If you are going for laptimes the auto is the way to go. Any other reason is not worth missing out on a manual. And i doubt people who daily this wont be able to afford a daily beater
Yeah the manual is a blast! It actually put down a faster lap time at VIR then the auto. So really the auto is for people who want to go faster in a line. Fun cars tho!
I don't see the point of having a manual anymore. To have all the controls ourselves? Lol, then might as well drive a car without power-steering.
To each their own..we currently own 3 manual sportscar and love the feel of them!
1st comment. Any prize? Like Supra? Lol
lol thanks for checking out the video! Thanks for the support!
Sad reality is . Nowdays the manual transmission off no benefit at all.
Just "old fun" aspect. Lost of new and young gearheads just repeat stories about driving a stick. 😂
You wont be better or faster then new gen autos. Saving time / speed is what racing is about after all.
We shall just leave this as personal preference 😂😂😂😂.
Very true! On paper an automatic is better in every way. But people like me just loving rowing through gears! Fun factor is very cool in these!
@@BrosFOURRSpeed
My gt3 is manual and I wouldn't changed it for everything . Byt its not my a primary car . If had to keep only one car would not be manual.
Listen its not about being .2 seconds faster in racing its about mechanical connection between the driver and the car,Manual for the win
@@justadad44I bet that’s amazing in a manual!
@@REDBERRET1916Very true! Even with my GTR, I hardly ever launch it anyways. 0-60 times are pointless since you really never even do that.
The one thing all u guys miss is distance. If u drive a good distance, u will never go into sport to get the mpg. Then what’s the point of owning the car?
These are fine long distance care. And plenty efficient too. These are sportscars made for fun driving but can also be good daily drivers.
Clutch kick =
Not really needed in the Supra.
6MT is the best
It's so much fun for sure!
I think I’m leaning towards the automatic . Sorry guys. 😬
Still a great option!
I know right didn’t know they where that good now I guess I’m going Auto to
Pff. I work at a car wash. When it comes to a manual being a "theft deterrent", not even the owners of BMW's can operate their AUTOMATIC transmissions. Point is moot lol
Not everyone can drive a manual for sure
AT
Lots of benefits with the auto for sure!
Quick Fact: Automatics were never created to be faster sports cars. they were created to "Ease"/Soften driving because as generations passed people viewed driving more as a chore.Now that tech has improved and they're slightly faster we're just gonna assume Automatics are better sports cars. well NO. Teslas are fast, they're not really an enthusiasts choice. Point is you can get an Auto for every other reason which is fine,but you will never be looked at by the car community as having a better/cooler sports car than a Manual,SORRY!!
Thanks for sharing! A lot of cars like a Mclaren don’t offer a manual and they are still viewed as amazing cars lol, even the GTR! At the end of the day, it’s whatever the owner is going to enjoy for their needs. It doesn’t matter what others opinions are, you buy what works for you! I personally love manuals but I also love how my GTR drives! Two different and fun experiences!
That's very relative! IMO, if I had to pick between a fun but slower MT vs less fun but faster AT, I'll go with the AT anytime! 😎
Lmfaoo manual over auto all day tired of people saying autos is “faster” proved 100s of people wrong guess it’s just driver mod🤷🏽♂️
Yeah its just an excuse for people who don't have a manual. People arent buying manuals for straight line driving.
@@BrosFOURRSpeedmanuals are good all around especially if yk how to launch without lift and clutch control💯