What It Takes to Break a RAM with ESD (ft. Linus Tech Tips)
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We handle computer parts without ESD protection most of the times. But what does it take to break one with ESD through human body? Let’s check it out!
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By: Mehdi Sadaghdar
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This was super fun! Hope you all enjoyed watching us recoil in pain... I guess.
Should Not Have Replied to a Famous Comment I'm Getting Notifications Left and Right. lol
Ok
Bruh lol, lamo gg ok
Best crossover, better than dc and marvel.🤣
Finally, a COLLAB!
This is the official TH-cam Rewind video of 2020 and nobody can convince me otherwise.
Bro, missing ur videos.
U do great work🍺🍺
Ok
The god has appeared again!!!
why the hell are you not uploading video?
facts
Imagine calling your local electricity company and this guy turning up
I see this as an absolute win 😎
@@yoboymoi 😂
You couldn't lose
Leave the country immediately.
First he shows you how to make a DIY taser then he fixes your lights 😂
“What’s a good voltage, nowadays?” HAS ME DEAD😭😂😂😂
Love you Mehdi❤️
ah yes, the latest popular voltage fashion craze
"I have a sponsor too", "Fine I'll do mine at home". Priceless
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In Thanos voice
It's really surreal seeing Linus in Medhi's editing style. It's like the crossover we didn't realize we needed.
@AREKING -[[-{ S A C R E D - S Y N E R G Y }-]]- medhi
how did you comment 18 hours ago
*Mehdi 💀
@@a180combatbowsergamepro6 wait he did comment 18 hours ago wtf must have something to do with time zones maybe?
@@a180combatbowsergamepro6 I suspect Patreon early acess or something
"It's almost like the engineers who design computers...like...do it for a living." 🤣
"If it`s dead, it could be the fall."
Seems like Linus knows what he`s talking about.
What was he talking about?
it's not the fall, it's the sudden stop.
@@Axodus thanks mr smarty pants.
@@thegrandcoffein6928 linus probably is the most experienced in the world interms of dropping electronics , it's basically an inside joke
@@edmund8954 🎵 what can I say except you're welcome! 🎶
Finally ! The MCU has started... The Mehdi Cinematic Universe !
yes
Good one
we definitly need more content from them together
@@augustinaszilinskas1638 nope
@@augustinaszilinskas1638
Mehdi and medhi are 2 diffrenet names
ESD - "I am inevitable"
RAM -" Meep meep"
haha RAM goes meep
meep meep im a RAM i say meep meep ima RAM
Apperantly this DDR2 RAM is The Roadrunner... ;D
Meep morp,
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/59/Beaker_%28Muppet%29.jpg/200px-Beaker_%28Muppet%29.jpg
If these 2 guys can collab more often, they can create more things, even change the world, but that's their choice
Yeah, they will become a fan of bssm and will created a new machine for bdsm that can conducted not really lethal electro static
ehhh, I just can't enjoy LTT. I would like to see ElectroBoom work with GN.
Wish granted
@@Oblithian Yes Please 😂ElectroBoom and GN Collab
I believe they can DESTROY more things rather than create
*Mehdi: I am going to borrow an ESD gun and SHOCK Linus,..I mean join him for testing.*
🤣🤣
Alternative title: two masochists shock each other and play with computer parts
@Nybbl er Yall trippin
2 guys 1 esd gun
Me get more money to buying 1gb ram ddr3 laptop
Graystillplays: *it’s free real estate*
They're not masochists..........they're just testing their limits
Gets shocked: "Oh Yes!"
...
"I mean oh no"
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Just watched both videos, and remembered Linus had mentioned the grounds
are so close together it's hard to hit a data pin. By you guys
grounding the board to an actual ground wouldn't it be easier for the
static to actually jump to a ground pin? Would it have been easier to
destroy the card if you would have grounded a data pin instead?
A little late to this but if you ground the data pin, then zap another data pin it could go through the board and kill it. But that would be a bit unrealistic.
8:16 they did this
You can sometimes see the spark actually moving to a ground pin in the video.
0😊.o.@@candle_eatist
You guys need to do another one! This is fun! You guys work well together.
4:48 "oh yes... I mean, oh no"
LOL
Kinky,,,
My take on this: Mehdi tried everything and it stayed alive. Then Linus touched it!
Balance is needed to keep the universe working
Linus Touch Tips- Wait
@@pronounjow I'd buy that for a dollar.
fuck the algorhythm again for spoiling the entire goddamn video again through a comment...
@@shikabaneconga perhaps you should watch the video before looking at the comments, do you actually expect comments on a video to be spoiler free? Grow up
When i was in training to be an electronics assembler, they gave us examples of ESD damage. They were on surface mount parts. Surface mount parts are extremely tiny, as in you can nearly fit two of them on your pinky nail. We were building the electronic components placed in radar systems. Markedly different from the RAM sticks in your PC.
Can static kill your PC?
The short answer is: Yes. However, it's less likely now than it was 15+ years ago.
The long answer with anecdotal reference is: Absolutely. Back in the mid-1990s, I worked in tech support for a relatively new PC manufacturer, Micron Electronics, Inc. During the first couple of years, we were seeing an out of box failure (OOBF) rate of 7-9%. We worked diligently to figure out the cause for the failures, going so far as to POST 100%, boot to WINSETUP 35%, fully run test 5% of the units in the order they came out of production. We were still getting the same shipped unit OOBF results and getting 2-3% of our full run tested units back OOBF.
As a new company, we hadn't anticipated the demand for our product and we were in the process of expanding our facility and adding more warehouse space for the completed and packaged product. In the meantime, we'd been using our wide hallway corridors to store the current warehouse overflow, which regularly made up over 50% of our inventory. What we discovered by tracking every unit's movement in the facility, shipping company used, and system base makeup over 6 months, was that 98% of our OOBF product had been stored in the corridors.
Employees passed through those corridors and made up 1000s of passes daily creating fairly continuous airflow and, as you know, that's a high static producer. We'd been enclosing the product in regular poly bags, styrofoam impact protection, and cardboard boxes, each one on its own exactly the wrong material. We switched the bags and styrofoam to anti-static materials, started using anti-static pallets and our OOBF rate immediately dropped to
Fantastic comment, thanks for taking the time to tell the story!
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6:43 This is it boys, this is proof he does accidentally shock himself sometimes (not all the time) due to forgetting he is charged.
lol poor dude
hahahaha. Linus with the toy and killing his father hahahhahaha. That mean the father dont show him all rule about electricity. hahaha
Yeah, you mean the part where the hand was on the table.
If you watch the Jacobs ladder video he def almost dies on that one.
@@Hyperion856 In that video doesn't he state that if his wires had not disconnected from the tower he would have been killed?
"Two nerds electrocute themselves senseless for views on TH-cam"
its beautiful isnt it?
Your a kill 😹
@@Chemanic1 "they're". One of mine is everyone evidently is too stupid to use unique properly. And using non-words like irregardless. Nothing like adding "ir" to negate the meaning of the word. Or word additions like acclimat"itize". WTF is wrong with the actual word? Sheesh.
@@techytrendysolutions6063 Is that an attempt to coin a new obscure meaning to the word kill?
@@techytrendysolutions6063
''Your a kill 😹''
''You're.. a moron''
The danger from ESD ist NOT that you actually destroy something. Because, as we have seen, it takes a lot to fully break it.
The biggest problem is that every discharge can damage structures inside the chips by a little.
So your RAM will work, but then you get sporadic problems like crashing, etc. it might even be that it will work fine for a year and then due to aging it will produce crashes very sporadically.
THAT is the real danger, because it's much more difficult to diagnose such a problem. The RAM (or whatever) "works" after all.
It would have been interesting from an academic point of view to do a full RAM test after each discharge to see if the RAM has degraded.
But that would be quite a lot of effort and not as much fun for the guys, I assume. :)
If they did memory tests, then it would take 10x longer to record probably
I'm so relieved someone else already commented this. Meep Meep, does not really say much about the health of that RAM.
So better keep handling integrated circuits carefully.
This is more or less what I do for a job! Using specialized equipment, I take micro-chips and zap them, most failing under 2kV. I don't really have a computer background nor electrical background so I'm trying to learn what all goes through in the process. Ironically enough, I originally watched Linus's video before starting there and now I've seen yours! I appreciate all you do to show beginners what all the devices around us do, and what we take for granted, very interesting stuff!
Now this is a crossover we didn't know we needed
Genius
@@djpraskovya1744 seems your mother didn’t love you enough.
I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner. Apparently they live really close to one another
This crossover proved that there is still hope in the dark times of 2020
Now can we have ElectroBOOM feature Justin Bieber???
Its the crossover nobody asked for, but the one we needed.
I asked for on LTT channel
Amazing collab
Thanks for the collaboration. This was great!
Excellent educational videos ElectroBoom keep them coming up.
Great job.
I think this is the first time I’ve heard Medhi NOT swear even once.
yeah it was kinda weird
So LTT editors won't have to go through the trouble of editing censors in both Linus and him
He says damn it in the video on the LTT channel
He actually did at 9:27 but we can notice it was muted.
He said he sometimes beeps himself for comedic effect not because he's swearing
16:04 Hi I'm Mehdi and this is Jackass
I dont get it
@@depressedit4439 poor child
@@yyxrc i do watch electroboom but i didnt know that it. Existed
@@cursedcliff7562 what u mean.?
@@yyxrc who hasn’t watched jackass
I’ve been binge watching your videos and this one is one of my favorites I love watching you two have fun testing and shocking each other
For someone who makes most of his videos solo, you handled this video very well. Good job sir.
"C'mon you had to know that was happening"
Linus slowly starts to realise just what he's colabing with
Pure DOOM
just *what*
@@nerfinator6 just what
@@Shingodzilla138Xbox 11:43 🤣🤣🤣
Linus: “We don’t have to do this”
Mehdi: “but we have the opportunity”😂
evolt deeds (evil deeds) haha
oppor-ZZT-tunity
Each time it fails.
Linus: MOAR POWER
Oww-portunity
the editing in this video is top notch, also it's very informative :D
Around 5:40 Linus mentions how there may be a preference for the discharge to jump to ground pins. If I had to guess I'd say this is plausible for the following reason: the data pins have some amount of residual charge on them that would be greater than the ground line, therefore creating a larger voltage between the ground pin and the source than between it and the data pins. If what linus mentioned was in fact the case, this would be why since the discharge would want to jump to the point of greatest voltage.
I cant imagine electroboom ingesting the 8k footage from linus
isn't linus trying to use 12k or something now lol
@@virtualtools_3021 they're having problems with the stupid blackmagic software
@@idont3282 Actually on a recent floatplane exclusive, Linus said they're going forwards with the Ursa minis, so I assume they found an appropriate solution since their video about their experience with it.
@@idont3282 BM software isn't stupid at all, actually it's one of the best out there... The problem is it's still very young so it needs more testinf
They are using 69k
Mehdi: How much voltage should we give it?
Linus: Yes.
na i think linus said no more :P
Mehdi: I can't set it to lethal *unfortunately.*
Your dedication to testing is admirable!
I love your enthusiasm! Amazing content as always 😸
I appreciate both youtubers refusing to compromise their characters.
It is endearing when Mehdi does it 😅
18 minutes and 49 seconds of corsair's advertisement 😂😂
Seasonic and Express VPN be like: Why are we paying you to advertise Corsair exactly?
@@AlexanderVRadev 😂😂😂
menos trece entered the chat xd
that's right, buy their DDR2 it's amazing and most likely won't die by ESD
His last words are gonna be-'Alright its plug it in ."
Best crossover of the year!! Love your channel and the lessons. Stay safe with your projects, we need you alive HAHAHA
“Ground yourself” my parents are everywhere now
I am being humble when I am telling you that I am the most powerful strongest coolest smartest most famous greatest funniest Y*uTub3r of all time! That's the reason I have multiple girlfriends and I show them off on my ch*nnel all the time! Bye bye hm
@@AxxLAfriku your channel is actual garbage
@@AxxLAfriku go away pls
@@AxxLAfriku one day, months or years later, you're gonna cringe at your comment and be ashamed
@@djpraskovya1744 you surely arent a true fan
4:48 I love that "Oh yes, I mean Oh no"
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I mean if you know how it supposed to react then you would say "oh yes", realizing that your prediction is correct and it's according to plan/what's supposed to happen.
@@lag00n54 I'm to lazy to woosh him..
Whoever sees this comment, please woosh him for me...
@@simpleinverso8628 Its Xmas day dont woosh him :')
@@user-oj5kg2zl9z ight then...
In the first times of MOS technology, I mean NMOS, PMOS, those components are very sensitive to ESD. Nowadays those old technologies have disappeared and are replaced by CMOS with shottky diodes at the input, eventually protecting from little discharge, and you first need to blow one of those diode to kill the circuit behind at the end
I love your channel especially because you give when you explain some comedy and simplify a lot of complicated things. I hope you will get 10 million subscribers.
I want to see him voiceover the next "Despicable me"
Yes yes upvote 😂
what voice over in this vid
Wait, what? You mean that isn't him? But Linus does all the minions, right?
YESS!!!
@@Robert08010 LMAO
"I'm preparing to go meet with the GREAT Linus over from TechTips..." *shoving electronics into garbage bags and extra shopping bags from the pantry*
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It would be interesting if you could do this with the much older ram chips. I suspect these have been re-engineered to avoid static damage. To your knowledge when is the last time ANYONE damaged a ram chip simply by installing it? Find a ram chip from that era and then do the test.
Amazing collab. Loved it.
That entire meetup ElectroBOOM was just waiting to jump in on that sick transition to Linus' sponsor
That was hilarious!
Medhi getting zapped and not swearing is no fun at all😂
11:45
@@zhopka77 damnit a swear word?
There are 2 types of ESD testing, contact discharge and air discharge. Maybe contact discharge would have more likely killed the RAM? So that means holding a signal line and and then hitting the trigger.
Usually most ICs have built in ESD protection in the way of diodes which give a reasonable level of protection (but the amount of energy they can absorb is limited).
The ground signals are spread on the RAM stick mainly for the purpose of signal integrity.
Also, even if a circuit seems to work, ESD can reduce the reliability and performance depending on the type of circuit.
So a better way is to do a memtest each time (of course more time consuming).
Please make more content!!!!
I watched already all your videos and I love them😍
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The perfect yt channel crossover doesn't exi-
Haha
Jokes on you now 😁😁
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Mehdi: "To make it reasonable, are you changing the voltage there?!!"
Linus: "Watt?"
more like "Volt?"
Pun approved
This is a very fun and informative video. The crossover with Linus is how I discovered your channel.
This was hilarious. Thanks to you both for setting this up!
They could feel the electricity in the air.
I've been working on computer hardware since the mid 1980s -- back far enough that you had individual RAM chips in individual sockets, not these DIMMS where most of what you're touching is a ground-plane of some sort. I have *never* burned out a modern RAM stick with ESD -- but back in the day, it was *so* much easier to kill your RAM when they were just a bunch of chips sitting on your desk and you had to push them into dozens of sockets. That's really where this whole "ESD is dangerous" thing comes from. It *is* still dangerous, of course -- just not nearly as much as it used to be. Computer engineers have done an excellent job over the years of protecting our electronics from it.
Yeah, I remember back in the day when you actually did have to worry about this sort of thing (and I fried a few different components that way myself), but electronic components have gotten so much more robust than they used to be. I've been telling people for years that the whole "anti-static" thing nowadays is basically just a myth people have held over from the ancient history of computers (y'know, back in the 80s, when dinosaurs roamed the earth), and not something anybody has ever realistically needed to worry about for decades... It's nice to see other people actually pointing this out too.
i used to kill 56k modems daily because my computer room had shag carpets i was 8 years old and didn't know what ESD was but knew i like to build computers and write programs
Seeing mehdi in linus' filming quality is weird
It's so. ... good o_o
Its sus
Maybe one day in the future Mehdi will hire a camera man, get some expensive cameras and make more of these UHD quality videos! :p
@@aleksandarlazarov9182 I'd rather he didn't, really
The collaboration we didn’t wanted but needed ⚡️
I'm working with electronics, including PCs for way over 30 years and the only thing I killed by static (and not intentionally) is an LCD alarm clock radio. More punctually its button interface, the radio/clock still works but it doesn't react to the buttons - but if I reset it exactly at midnight it starts at zero! :D ... and I achieved this by dusting off a CRT tv screen and then accidentally going near the clock. Nothing else I can remember of, ever got damaged by static near or by me.
It's been my experience that ram dies one address at a time. I bet running a full memtest86 after the first shock would have revealed an address that had failed.
Exactly!
They did zap a DIMM though early in Linus's video. Testing with Memtest86 wouldn't be practical for time reasons, but it would have been good to check the survivors
If there are mosfets inside the RAM I don't see how they'd survive either.
that made me think - the actual "dead signal" from the PC should come from a failed board recognition, which wouldn't happen if just one or more physical memory addresses are destroyed by some zaps. The "dead RAM" obviously takes a lot more to be achieved.
in other words, the "MEEP MEEP" signal of "good RAM" is a simple hardware check that informs the user that the RAM has been installed, and gets recognized. memtest should uncover all other, more subtle problems.
@@Magneticitist i thought ram is made of capacitors or something, not mosfets
"I'm gonna kill it no matter watt"...I died
Apparently Mehdi doesn't only kill the RAM but this comment too
Not liking your comment cuz it’s at 69 likes :)
That was fun. Been smiling the whole video!
I like how Linus is in a matching mask and t shirt and Mehdi's wearing a dust mask from b&q.
"I sometimes forget" lmao this line killed me hahahahaha
“The guy from the sad Linus mene” lolllll i remember that video. It was a joy to watch the video love both your channels.
Man Total worth it video after watching linus one 😂
It's like watching a comedy show 😂
And this editing skills are awesome.
Happy new year! Good luck. Wish you to be happy with your family and have more then 10 M subs
0:08 I love how he just pointed Linus as Linus sad meme
"Oh yes!", "I mean, oh no" 😏
The amount of ESD training and experience I have, color me surprised. Tho, I would have like to see the dimm floating from ground charged up. When handling components, many folks are just handling them, without them tied to ground.
A computer hardware course instructor told me the concern with handling RAM today is with handling the pins and getting finger grease and dirt on the contacts, which can interfere with the signals and cause performance issues or failures over time.
That ads segment lol
Linus: mine
Mehdi: *EXPRESS VPN*
Linus : "Its almost like the engineers who designed it do it for a living "
He was talking from his experience with apple😂😂😂
"It's*
@dzejlan Stop spamming your shitty videos on other people's hard work, or at the very least make it relevant or fun to watch.
Happy New year mr.electro boom
I think the reason why it always jumps to ground instead of a data pin is, that the resistance to ground is much lower. Electrons always try to get to the opposite charge. Since you connected the black wire to ground it means that the arc is more likely to jump to ground.
That "Oh Yes!" at 4:47 though...
Both videos were fantastic. These are the kind of collaboration videos we need.
I am now at minute 12:00, and i anticipate the following:
A bit of smoke is in the air, no sight of those two bus killers (because its obviously not serial...)
And then the "beep" of a starting, well being computer.
Let’s see more of these collaborations!!
You've successfully convinced me that just touching the PC case before I work on my PC has been more than adequate all along.
Only if the computer is plugged in though
You could also just touch the metal part of ur wall outlet
Edit: I realized not all outlets have the metal part (used to european outlets😂)
@@Ch1hf yeah no problem bro I'll just use a fork.
THE EPIC COMBO THE MR ZAPPY AND MR DROPPY
Maybe it only damages a section of memory that is not being used on boot - I know it is slower, but you probably need to do a memory check to really know.
The freaking voice over dude... Awesome, awesomest. Hilarious
this is a collaboration i never thought i’d see
Lel same.
1:19 I like how the music is relaxing while linus is screaming in the backround
@dzejlan f of
@dzejlan stop it be patient
This ones a god damn classic as far as I'm concerned. Right there by Electric Guitar and Right Hand Rule outro.
Merry Christmas and happy new year
Some engineer is really happy seeing this...
Linus and Mehdi: "How are you not dead?"
The RAM: "I have no idea!"
@Sir pk they might be had better chance just rubbing their feet on carpet...
i read that with sonic voice
who ubercharged that RAM stick?
Because its data got wiped, *badum tsssh*
THE RAM: I have no idea, just do some random things 🤷🏽♂️.
“... on TH-cam, Netflix and otters ...”
Wait, what?!
I actually have some of that ram, from a early 2000s build. I still use the case from that build.
"Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover of all time."
Me:
This:*
Killing them was difficult in fact. Linus mentioned they were DDR2, so those ICs were made with an older and bigger photolitography process. Frying newer electronics sure would be a ton easier than those (as the paths between transistors would be narrower (more resistance and heat)... Watch out!
@ElectroBOOM
I'd say it's long overdue that you're awarded the IEEE Medal of Honor with "V" device for valor (or the Canadian counterpart, for that matter) for always putting yourself (and your pain tolerance) on the line above and beyond the call of duty.
awesome video, keep up the great work guys :D