@@the1shrubbery yes but fox doesn’t win every single tournament. People complain about fox as it is anyway, I see plenty of “another fox matchup 😴” in every tournament chat. I guarantee more people will complain if foxes win every tournament.
What happened was for a brief moment the best player didn't play fox. and Fox players just parrot the top fox player opinions which was boohoo me. Same thing happened when Hbox was winning. Fox players expect to just fox on people and when their gameplay fails "ooh it must be the MU that character is dumb"
Sheik is overrated but still a great character. I don't think she is top 4 anymore. My spacies dual main friend, falcon main friend, and fox main friend all agree that Sheik is 5th at best in today's game. Sheik has to rely too much on a game plan for neutral in order to get percent as opposed to characters like Fox or Marth.
The distorted audio is to “mute” the music in the background preventing TH-cam from claiming/taking down the video. The editor is doing it intentionally
Fox does not need to combo as much as other characters, but he still needs to combo... Shine -> Grab Shine -> Up-Smash Up Throw -> Up-Air ...are all pretty essential kill confirms. You can get some cheesy edgeguards sometimes but you still need to push your advantage state as much as any other character. The faster you get someone to kill percent the better.
Those are so baby that if you consider those combos then rapid jabs and utilt -> utilt are combos lmao fox has it easy because he can nair into anything and everything. It's basically his version of falco dair
@@Sapreme Doesn't matter if it's easy, a combo is a combo. They're about as easy as dair -> shine -> literally anything on Falco anyway. Nair only combos into shine at really low percents btw, it's great but not nearly as versatile as Falco dair. Fox has easier kill confirms for sure but like I said he has press his advantage state constantly to compensate for Falco hitting him harder than he does.
Its hard to me saying what is best character in melee. Actually, top 1 in the world has never been a fox main. If you have a look, Ken was marth main, Pc Chris Falco, M2k Marth, Mango Puff and then Falco, Armada peach, PPMD Falco and marth, Hbox puff, Zain Marth.. So, Fox is probably the best but theres no evidence to be 100% sure
All of Melee's top players rose to prominence without Fox & half of them never even really secondaried Fox. So yeah... him being the best character is debatable. Marth has a better shot at the title based on results.
And that is DESPITE Fox being the most played character by far. Not only is there no evidence that Fox is the best on a human level; there's quite a lot of very very convicing argument that that is not the case.
@@WhoPlaysMc He was lol, he won back to back Evo's with Fox. M2K also played Fox BEFORE Marth, and still did after he picked up Marth. Armada picked up Fox as well. And I love how Leffen is not even mentioned. Now we have Cody literally beating everyone with Fox.
I don't get this? Is this what Fox, or spacies privilege is? Why does he talking about the fact that it's hard to win a tournament with spacies? What about Bowser, Kirby, Pichu, mario, Zelda, Link, etc. is it supposed to be easier with them??? Edit: Well, he said Marth is also hard...
Dude everyone has techskill now. You can run into dozens of random foxes on slippi on any given night that can shield drop, ledgedash, waveshine, etc perfectly, but still get blown up because they don't have fundamentals to hit you or DI out of combos. They just do the same approach every time and hold in while getting comboed.
Just like with the Armada GOAT debate he is in denial of, if you look at which Fox only people won supermajors in the past 20 years, he is the lowest on the list. Despite being BY FAR the most played character. He literally only argues for his fucking ego.
Just started playing Melee. Been watching tourneys since 2015. It's so addicting. Been grinding like crazy. 2 questions. What are good practice intervals for this game, and which actions are reserved for the right stick vs the A button. This game is pretty hard.
@@adamparness6627 like, how many hours is good for practise, what to practise, and is it better to do days in a row than a break, everyday, or day on day off?
@@sareaper69 I would say practice as much as you like, as long as you are having fun that’s all I need to keep me going. I recommend practicing your movement (wavedashs,wavelands, dash dancing etc.) and just getting comfortable with how the game feels. It’s difficult to articulate but the essence of it is having fun and learning one day at a time.
@@adamparness6627 I am approaching melee the same way I play and practise basketball. When you dashdance, the point is to be watching for errors or whiffs and being ready to capitalize, right? Is there a point to practising different lengths of dashdances? And is there a point in practising more advanced tech before becoming alright at the game?
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“I want a little Cody in me” - Mango, 2021
2022*
@@thatmexicankid8798 1:17
@@dawidszymulewicz2747 he just doesn't remember lmao, he said "I think.." after
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“It’s 2021… I think” oh mango 😂
I agree about fox not having to combo. If you're a marth/sheik/falco and you don't get 70% off your grab/shine, you're gonna have a BAD time
ur getting comboed instead of comboing, youre gonna have a baaaad toiiiime
You forget to add that getting those 70& with sheik marth falco is easy.
@@youtubeonly520 easy? maybe if your opponent is bad. let me guess, you're a fox player or something? maybe some random salty mid-tier?
@@youtubeonly520 bro getting 70 on any char is hard
can we appreciate that he just called fox and falcon simple. but he gets grilled for fox and not falcon
Ssf2 player valid ddd! !!!1
they're not mechanically simple, but their game plan is
Because Fox is clearly more complicated than Falcon
@@Finneagan cap
@@guyfauks2576 How is falcon more complex than fox?
"We all wanna be like moky..." this is true
mang0 has the best melee takes, because they come from an intuitive place. He looks at the big picture
He also changes his mind every couple of months lol
@@MrSlowpez10 because the game changes
I just started playing smash entirely in august and being a Fox main has taken me way further then any character should have. He feels so easy
in that case we’ll be seeing you at the next summit
Based mang0 defending Marth's honesty from salty spacie players. This is why he's the goat.
That combo at 7:13 though??
Dawg the video came out two minutes ago 😭
@@teamxsquirtle notif gang wya
No techs by sheik
Shine is a crime against humanity.
“It’s 2021... I think..yeah”- Mang0 2022
Mango's take are always on point
Either im really high or the moky cody thing was really profound
Fox is situationally ridiculous, you can plop him in so many melee scenarios and he just wins
we all know mang0 is the answer
I always forget how fast Mango actually plays, he's doing shit on the reg that's frame perfect or near it
I need some Cody too. I have similar style to mango. Just win neutral Everytime but small or no combos lol
fox is the stupidest character lmao he truly has so much freedom to do whatever he wants, definitely the most fun character to play as for me
Spark looking nice his bairs are crazy
In my bad player metagame, marth appears to be the easiest to pick up and gets rewarded for just swinging around.
what if, and hear me out here, chat was edited into the youtube video
The Fox hate will get serious if Cody keeps winning. Amazing how everyone always complains about the character the best player is using.
People will complain about any perceived meta in any game. As soon as things start to stagnate, people get bored. I think that’s just natural.
u do realize that fox has significantly the most player representation if u check top 100 compared to other characters?
@@the1shrubbery yes but fox doesn’t win every single tournament. People complain about fox as it is anyway, I see plenty of “another fox matchup 😴” in every tournament chat. I guarantee more people will complain if foxes win every tournament.
What happened was for a brief moment the best player didn't play fox. and Fox players just parrot the top fox player opinions which was boohoo me. Same thing happened when Hbox was winning. Fox players expect to just fox on people and when their gameplay fails "ooh it must be the MU that character is dumb"
@@cjkmelee For real some people were out saying that fox had a losing matchup vs Jiggs...
Fox privilege
Falco is the true goat underrated character
fox supremacy
moky mcbrokey vs cody mcwokey
Sheik has always seemed like she has had the longest stretch of being a character thats hard to use at top level
Sheik is overrated but still a great character. I don't think she is top 4 anymore. My spacies dual main friend, falcon main friend, and fox main friend all agree that Sheik is 5th at best in today's game. Sheik has to rely too much on a game plan for neutral in order to get percent as opposed to characters like Fox or Marth.
@@revelation2-9 I agree, I think sheik is overrated but still a good character. She’s just hard carried by how good she is at low and mid level melee
@@majestic95 Exactly. She smurfs at lower levels and then drops off a cliff at higher levels.
Falcon is easy to play but every opportunity you get to play you better make it count
Audio issues are weird.
The distorted audio is to “mute” the music in the background preventing TH-cam from claiming/taking down the video. The editor is doing it intentionally
@@windwaker5599 thats 500IQ big brain
Name someone who doesn’t want to be moky or none
wizzrobe
@@Sapreme chill
So true, goat.
fox players are spoiled when they dont even know it
2:01 i think falcons... 2:02 (shitty audio) kinda easy
Fox does not need to combo as much as other characters, but he still needs to combo...
Shine -> Grab
Shine -> Up-Smash
Up Throw -> Up-Air
...are all pretty essential kill confirms. You can get some cheesy edgeguards sometimes but you still need to push your advantage state as much as any other character. The faster you get someone to kill percent the better.
Those are so baby that if you consider those combos then rapid jabs and utilt -> utilt are combos lmao
fox has it easy because he can nair into anything and everything. It's basically his version of falco dair
@@Sapreme Doesn't matter if it's easy, a combo is a combo. They're about as easy as dair -> shine -> literally anything on Falco anyway. Nair only combos into shine at really low percents btw, it's great but not nearly as versatile as Falco dair. Fox has easier kill confirms for sure but like I said he has press his advantage state constantly to compensate for Falco hitting him harder than he does.
Naw we all want to be Mango
PAL ftw
Pressing buttons fast =/= hard character.
That's what I dislike about Cody the most, he camps mid tiers and im like cmon bro
He's American Leffen and Mew2king jr
Whatever wins
mid tiers deserve to be camped
mids are a disgrace
@@swank8508 who hurt you?
@@milesd0texe385 Profile picture checks out lmao
Its hard to me saying what is best character in melee. Actually, top 1 in the world has never been a fox main. If you have a look, Ken was marth main, Pc Chris Falco, M2k Marth, Mango Puff and then Falco, Armada peach, PPMD Falco and marth, Hbox puff, Zain Marth.. So, Fox is probably the best but theres no evidence to be 100% sure
Doesnt that just prove he is the best character to have as a secondary?
All of Melee's top players rose to prominence without Fox & half of them never even really secondaried Fox. So yeah... him being the best character is debatable. Marth has a better shot at the title based on results.
And that is DESPITE Fox being the most played character by far. Not only is there no evidence that Fox is the best on a human level; there's quite a lot of very very convicing argument that that is not the case.
was mango not the best with fox for a period?
@@WhoPlaysMc He was lol, he won back to back Evo's with Fox. M2K also played Fox BEFORE Marth, and still did after he picked up Marth. Armada picked up Fox as well. And I love how Leffen is not even mentioned. Now we have Cody literally beating everyone with Fox.
I hate fox so so much
ask me how I know you get thrown and shine spiked near the ledge
I don't get this? Is this what Fox, or spacies privilege is? Why does he talking about the fact that it's hard to win a tournament with spacies? What about Bowser, Kirby, Pichu, mario, Zelda, Link, etc. is it supposed to be easier with them???
Edit: Well, he said Marth is also hard...
Personally I think its easier to win with Fox than with the other top tiers
Those you mentioned aren't even tournament viable if you're trying to win, so they're not even in the discussion.
Let’s face it, Mario is the best character!
Just cause u can do tech skill consistently doesn't mean that it still isn't hard
Dude everyone has techskill now. You can run into dozens of random foxes on slippi on any given night that can shield drop, ledgedash, waveshine, etc perfectly, but still get blown up because they don't have fundamentals to hit you or DI out of combos. They just do the same approach every time and hold in while getting comboed.
@@Sapreme yeah but tech skill is still hard
just because a character has alot of tech skill doesn't necessarily make it hard
@@Gobblesthepatient when it's optimal to do all that tech skill then yes it is
@@mlalbaitero what about positioning? Decision making? Matchup knowledge? Tech skill mastery is just one facet of many
Hiyaaaaaaah
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Just like with the Armada GOAT debate he is in denial of, if you look at which Fox only people won supermajors in the past 20 years, he is the lowest on the list. Despite being BY FAR the most played character. He literally only argues for his fucking ego.
That's literally not true tho. Just looked at the smash wiki and he's tied with Marth. It's not even updated with Cody's recent Summit win.
@@bigredog100 You are dishonest and wrong about this.
Just started playing Melee. Been watching tourneys since 2015. It's so addicting. Been grinding like crazy. 2 questions. What are good practice intervals for this game, and which actions are reserved for the right stick vs the A button. This game is pretty hard.
Tbh it’s mostly preference if your prefer to use A or the C-stick find what is most comfortable for you. Also wdym by practice intervals?
@@adamparness6627 like, how many hours is good for practise, what to practise, and is it better to do days in a row than a break, everyday, or day on day off?
@@sareaper69 I would say practice as much as you like, as long as you are having fun that’s all I need to keep me going. I recommend practicing your movement (wavedashs,wavelands, dash dancing etc.) and just getting comfortable with how the game feels. It’s difficult to articulate but the essence of it is having fun and learning one day at a time.
@@adamparness6627 I am approaching melee the same way I play and practise basketball. When you dashdance, the point is to be watching for errors or whiffs and being ready to capitalize, right? Is there a point to practising different lengths of dashdances? And is there a point in practising more advanced tech before becoming alright at the game?
@@adamparness6627 sorry for bombing you with questions