So, I work as a custom AV system designer and integrator. I have to say, Jake did an absolutely stellar job of explaining the concepts in this video. Lots of folks overlook a lot of the little details (especially with receivers) and I can personally attest for how much people appreciate when you take the time to dig into those. Hats off friends.
He lost me when he started talking about directing the subs. Subs are omni directional, if there were concerns of neighbors, stacking them in cardioid could solve most the problem, though it would look stupid as fuck.
@@Lysdexichack there are a couple good reasons for using two subs. Room resonance, for one. Using two subs, usually in opposite corners almost completely negates it. You will not have areas in the room with less bass/boomy bass, like with a single large sub. It will just sound like the amp has better control of the driver. I've got two small, (maybe 14" cube) Martin Logan subs. They tend to reinforce each other quite a bit. If you turn one off, it's _extremely_ noticeable. You would need quite a massive sub to match the performance, and even then, it probably would need to be placed in the middle of the room to get the best performance out of it. Subs generally sound like crap if they're right next to the wall. Even my two little subs sit maybe 2 feet from each corner. They're MUCH less obtrusive, at least visually. And then headroom. 2 subs just give you more headroom than one massive sub. Keep in mind, the formula for loudness is about 3db every time you double the wattage. That means if your sub is playing at 103db with 500 watts, you would need another 500watts to get to 106db. Granted, two speakers are not twice as loud as one (as loudness doesn't add that way, it's MUCH more complicated). But adding another identical 300w sub would be significantly better than upgrading to a 600 watt sub. You only get 3db out of the bigger sub (all else equal), but you get an addition 103db (or whatever) of pressure out of a second sub. -Think about that. Same wattage, but one -_-doubles-_- your spl, the other only adds about 3%.- Edit: (That is actually a stupid statement, as 106db is double 103db...) It was like 3am when I wrote that. Still, the argument for 2 subs holds up as it will increase headroom, as the amps arent being stressed as much, and a single sub can't reinforce itself or deal with room issues in a natural way. You won't notice a big loudness difference, but you will feel it in your chest. Also, Linus's subs are WAAAAAY too big for that room. He could get the same result with smaller speakers. He's going to have to run them really quiet compared to what they're capable of. It doesn't really add anything, and just takes up space that didn't need to be used tht way. It would annoy me, and I'm a dude with a 5.2.4 (fixed)Atmos system... I can't imagine what yovonne will think... Sorry for the novel...
@@herranton I understand all that, I was just nitpicking at Jake's wording when talking about the subwoofers. Most people would think that the directionality of that subwoofer would be the same as any other speaker
There are a few things that were incorrect, or not explained well, but on the whole they did a pretty good job. It's funny when people talk about audio being expensive in terms of home audio, when I regularly send invoices for $200,000 worth of PA for halls, churches, rental companies etc
6:01 The double terminals are for bi-wiring. You can feed the speaker with two amplifiers or a single amplifier having A and B terminals for better impedance isolation between high and low frequencies.
Bi-amp. That's what I do. Since I only have a 5.1 setup, but my receiver can handle 7.1. The "spare" channels are also used to drive the front speakers.
Yeah, bi-wiring doesn't really do much at all, considering both wires are attached at the same terminal on the amplifier. Which isn't BAD, mind you, but it's just like a bigger (lower gauge) wire. Now, Bi-AMPING on the other hand can be noticeably better. If your bass section is drawing a lot of juice, the detail/dynamic impact of your high section isn't going to suffer (and vice versa). I would also point out that Linus asks if you can have your receiver do (active) crossover duties between highs and lows. Speakers that have a crossbar between the terminals already have built-in passive crossovers for the high (the tweeter and midrange in a two pair of terminals setup) and low sections. Inserting another crossover upstream from the speaker is not only redundant, but will mess with the sound as the speakers internal crossover will drop the slope even more, thus creating a noticeable dip in the crossover range. While there may be pieces of equipment that will have a bi-amp crossover controller built in, they're usually not on things that most people will regularly run across.
@@MultiWirth In cheap speakers, yes. In higher end speakers, you better hope there is some isolation. I know nothing about the speakers in this video but higher quality speakers require more power and you don't want that power feeding back into something else that can't handle it because of a loop, you'll start breaking expensive things.
Linus, I’m a high end audio dealer and can tell you that the guy in the white outfit actually DOES come with those KEF Muon tower speakers. He’s the guy that designed them and he comes to your house to help ensure they are set up properly 😎😎
It would be interesting to hear his recommendations and conclusions about the setup, when they finish the wall. I hope they'll give him a call and invite to ensure a proper installation
Every three fucking days is a “I am rich and can save money by spending money”. These videos are gross. Also they are bad. There is zero actual useful information and just feel like ads. For example his wifi video was literally zero percent useful. He didn’t talk about setup. He just had jake set everything up and then said look at the speeds meanwhile bragging he got a 1000 dollar router for the outside.
@@shaktivelan Jake made a remark a while back about the neighbors possibly hating Linus for taking up the Wi-Fi frequency from super far ranges outside with his ballin’ Wi-Fi set-up.
I mean, if Yvonne doesn't like it, she can just go watch movies in the living room or something... When you're at the point where you decide that you are going to do an actual home theater dedicated room; why would it still matter what the speakers look like? At that point you only want the best sound quality. You're gonna switch the lights off anyway...
Love that this series is basically Linus's Intel Tech Upgrade (with a way higher budget) with Jake being the one hassling him and saying no. Just need Jake to comment more often on the stuff Linus has stolen from the office and it would be perfect.
this whole linus house series is just insane and almost overwhelming to watch. like they are actively trying to remodel thier whole house while installing 25k of audio and home theater stuff
I love it. Hope he never finishes the house, cause it's a fun series to watch. Edit: sorry Linus, maybe that was rude of me to say I hope you never finish your house, but it's very entertaining. Maybe just keep buying houses, install all this crazy shit that sponsors give you for free, then flip the house for a profit. Send me $10 in Canadian if you end up doing this, cause idk it'd be nice 👍
@@jemiebridges3197 speakers weren't 6k but I thought he'd said 1500. But okay he's has about 12k in those things. I bet he's probably 15k all on including the current tv. Which is still 10k below 25.
3:22 - "Why do I have to go backwards AND carry the heavy end?" Because after god only knows how many videos of putting various equipment in your house(s), you've still not realised that buying a hand trolley is a good idea. You can even get electric ones that are used to carry heavy stuff up stairs.
I feel genuinely happy for Linus, he's one of the few "Influencers" who actually worked the work and got himself to the point where he could buy this stuff for himself and his fam This is heartwarming
And he's a legit business man. He started way more than just a "youtube channel". It extends so much further than that and has tons of employees under his own name. Kinda crazy
Used to have a squeaky voice. Now he is straight up beast $$$$$$$$$. Fair play to him he dam well deserves every last bit. Because it was born out of real passion. And its still there
The subs are _too big_ for the room. They will need to be placed in less than ideal spots, simply for ergonomic reasons, and it _will_ effect performance. A well positioned inexpensive sub will outperform a big ass noise machine in the wrong spot. By a lot. You can't just make up for it with power. You will color the sound. It will be muddy and/or boomy. And they won't be able to take advantage of the power, because, well, they're way too big for the room. Two subs IS better. But you gotta size them right. You can't just buy all the expensivist stuff and hope it works.
@@herranton simply put that bass extension is gonna be too bright for the room no matter what and what will end up happening is it will muddle out the rest of the F.R. range of this setup
@@ydid687 Linus makes fun of audiophiles, and then buys a bunch of nice stuff and proceeds to shove all the speakers in ridiculous places. He could've spent half the money and had it sound twice as nice if he would've listened to an "audiophile" on how to size a system to a room. Idgaf what software you're using. You can't cheat physics. Software room correction can only do so much. At some point, you need to actually try to put your speakers at least close to where theyre supposed to go. It's hard to watch. That's some nice theater gear too.
Having your surround sound in the basement is actually really beneficial to preventing the noise from bleeding outside of the house. I can crank mine as high as I want and barely hear it outside in my own yard.
@@charlesmcguffy In an unfinished basement for sure, but once it is finished + a little sound treatment... really holds in the sound, even the bass (I have two 8" subs and they're barely audible outside)
As an Audiophile and hardware nerd, I FULLY understand wanting to play with the new toys immediately :P and I know it won't be so terrible when you finish it properly ;)
@@mightygreen3364 He is fine, he is employee no 4, at this point the job at LMG is a paid hobby where he can convince Linus to buy photographic toys that mere mortals can't afford... (Re: the real reason why we spent 140k on our camera)
@@CanIHasThisName Imagine a situation where a woman is talking about a room she is putting together that revolves around one of her interests and she explains that the husband wont let her do this and that because he doesn't like the look of it. Does the husband not sound controlling in that situation?
@@_evildoer Imagine a scenario where one member of a healthy relationship takes into account the other person’s preferences when furnishing a **shared** space. Maybe next WAN Show we can ask Linus about the times Linus overruled Yvonne’s proposals.
@@Varangian_af_ScaniaeLots of interesting technology in Kitchens, nowadays I've seen WiFi options etc. An there's a good chance it wouldn't be just kitchens.
Honestly, it was cheaper for our dad to build a basketball court in our back yard than to pay for ymca memberships for four kids. Badmiton court costs less. Unless he adds handball courts to one end.
6:18 no, biamping is not about receiver handling the crossover. Crossover is still the same, you can't bypass it. In this kind of usage (mid+high and low connected to the same kind of amp) the only benefit is lower distortion at higher volume (you don't get clipping from bass amp into the mids/highs). There's also biwiring, but there's pretty much no benefit to that. Glad you didn't choose overhyped Klipsch like many do these days.
The crossover isn't the same though, because the amp channels only see the crossover for the units they are driving. The two halves of the crossover are not the same for the high and low parts so when you bi-amp, each amp channel only sees a simpler crossover for the units it is driving. This should lower distortion at all volumes.
@@NicholasStevensDrBiscuit Even though what you say is true, I don't see how it would lower the distortion. Amp would still have to drive the same 4 or 8 ohms, just in a narrower frequency range. Whether a crossover is complicated or simple doesn't affect amplifier that much, what it sees, is the impedance. The closer you get to flat impedance curve (resistive load), the better. On one hand biamping brings the impedance higher in cross region, but on the other it turns the load there from resistive to capacitive/inductive. Not sure any of this is significant enough to make any difference, though. Biamp would make sense if different amps were used. Or, of course, with an active crossover.
That Denon is awesome. A few corrections: - blu-rays have the BEST audio quality available to consumers - Tower speakers are not just about moving more air, but about ensuring full coverage of the entire tonal spectrum.
@@iivarimokelainen Yes, most blu-rays have lossless audio. And not just these days, but for more than a decade they have had much better audio than even the best of the current mainstream streaming services.
From a live sound engineer who loves the low end: Placing subwoofers too far apart can create holes in the coverage due to cancellation of waves. Depending on the crossover frequency the space between them is limited accordingly. Like if the subs play to up to 120Hz they can be farther apart than for example 60Hz My advice would be to try out different placements, ranging from the corners to right next to the TV Optics aside the closer the two are the more even and impactful the bass is going to be Cheers
About that audiophile guy with the pole: that’s absolute snakeoil, unless you have a poorly designed amplifier. Then again, it probably uses a mains frequency transformer because anything newer than the 80s is cursed to these people. Just objectively wrong. Modern power supplies have way less ripple on their DC output, especially if you’re looking at high loads of many 100s of watts.
Not to mention that for half that price you could shield all the wiring in your audio setup and put in a custom rotary converter to get cleaner power than anything you can get from the grid and it's giant 100s of miles long antennae.
@@cargillmonteque2311 I was lucky enough to work with a few engineers from Bose on recording projects. The dollar value where they feel their sound is at its best vs how expensive their stuff gets is hilariously low. Placebo effect with audiophile gear is very real and they take full advantage of it by design.
@@CaptainMeatshield I think the thought process behind the power pole is that he gets a connection directly to a transformer, and thus reduces the voltage drop/fluctuations in the low voltage wiring behind the block transformer which may be a few hundred meters away. Sort of like the car audio people that put huge capacitors on their 12V systems. I believe the grid can handle his amplifier without noticeable voltage drop :). If harmonics or transient effects are a problem for them then get a more robust amplifier...
Listen all I'm saying is, he could just keep buying houses, get sponsored free equipment like this, install it to the house, and flip it for a profit, and then this series continues even after his house is finished. Ez win.
@@HaggisDruid you miss out on a crucial point - who tf is gonna buy them? Nobody is that rich, except maybe thieves who literally have nothing else to spend it on
He probably did a lot of research for this video and had assistance from other LMG staff. For example, James is usually their "high end sound" guy, I'm sure he had some input.
Highly recommend Star Trek (2009) 'Arrival at Vulcan' scene for testing (it's approx 47 mins into the movie). The part where Kirk runs onto bridge and they drop out of warp at Vulcan is absolutely amazing. The sound of the warp to impulse change and the collision with the other starships, especially when you can hear hull plates flying overhead and behind you, is some of the best audio i've heard in a movie.
eyy DMS i scrolled so far down because i was frustrated a bit with their choice but that's us audiophiles we are never satisfied with someone else's choices i think they should've gone with Decware diy or open baffles or atleast with some dyna/elac/Buchardt or kef offerings but what can an outsider do huh also update your google sheets BRUH
When your sound system power output will strip paint thats when you know you have the 'Live Rock Performance' high fidelity system you were aiming for.
"This kit retails for around 4500 USD which sounds like a lot to some people but in the world of professional audio that's cheap" No Jake. We don't call it cheap. We didn't get it for cheap. We got it for *a good price* That way we get to spend a lot of money without having to define the word cheap to people and still justify it with "There's more expensive stuff out there" :D
i love the super jank house videos. It really takes a step back from the clean more professional content LTT makes and it feels like a dude just nerding out over cool tech again
I love seeing how excited you are about your new home theater! I really wish more people got in to the hobby but I think there are just a lot of natural barriers. Having the space to dedicate or the significant other not pitch a fit about all the big black boxes. Some financial barriers, though other hobbies can cost many times more, and you can set something up really nice on a budget. Lastly there are so few places that people can experiece what is possible in a home setting. There are so few places these days that you can demo a proper audio experience side to the home theater as it takes up a lot of floor space. You pretty much have to have a friend who has one or a Best Buy with a Magnolia Hifi. There are many dedicated audio stores in major cities but they cater to the upper echelon of Hifi and are not a welcoming space to many looking to dip their toes in the hobby. I wish more people could see what Home Theater is capable of at almost any budget.
ive had surround sense i was 15, loved audio. i just built a 7.4.2 system in my new house's living room. all floor standing speakers and 18" subs but sub sonic bass shakers (get these if you dont have them). i watched interstellar last night and it shook the house enough to knock dishes down in the kitchen. hands down the best thing ive ever done for movies. if you guys have not tried it - get your self a measurement microphone and some RTA/Room EQ software and fine tune your space when its setup. you will be FUCKING AMAZED at the difference fine tuning can make in terms of sound staging in the center position.
Linus, when your house is built and done, you really should do a walk through of all the rooms in the house that have cool setups like this so we can experience what it is like when its all done. Edit: Didn't expect the likes to go up like that lmao
So happy for you. Enjoy all that you've worked hard for. You gotta do a vid of you & your family watching a movie when it's all done. Can't wait to see the look on their faces
Looking forward to see what HDMI 2.1 cable they’ll use. Hard to find one 20+ feet and in wall rates. But since they have the cable tester they can figure it out for us!
Linus, I am very excited for you. I have been doing Home Theater since '96, and it is my passion. I built my first 7.1 two years ago and then added Atmos, and there is no doubt Dobly Atmos is the most significant jump in Home Theater since we went from Dolby Pro Logic to Dolby Digital. For those watching, Dolby Atmos is not just speakers on the ceiling. Atmos is object-based, so even if you do not have ceiling speakers, Atmos makes the WHOLE soundtrack better. Even all the bed speakers (5 or 7.1) are clear and separated.
May I suggest that you ask Brian the electrician to explain to you what a "rectifier" is and why AC power cleanness can't possibly have any effect on the audio output signal whatsoever.
AC Power cleanness CAN have an effect on an audio output signal without a doubt, albeit it's usually inaudible unless it's really bad. I've had one instance where a switchmode power supply in a different room was feeding EMI back into the mains. That particular frequency made it through the toroid and past the filtering in one of my amps, into one of the preamp stages and was vividly audible in the speaker. Another thing that can happen is that a DC Offset causes the transformer (assuming your amplifier uses a linear psu) to hum excessively, this won't be audible through the speaker but come from the amp directly, toroids suffer from this especially.
@@Blacktronics Yeah I've seen similar things. It's just the natural backlash to all the snake oil in the audio world. There is so much BS that people have come to think everything is BS. Problem is that like you said, some of that BS is actually based on a kernel of truth. It's just that the average Joe with his 50 dollar soundbar will never hear that truth.
exactly plus the room correction system focuses most of its DSP correction on the sub channel. The bass area of the main channels doesn't get the same level of resolution on correction. So the more bass you route to the subs the cleaner the sound will be over all..... unless of course the room is a complete acoustic nightmare. Room correction isn't really fixing the room....lol
Do a Live Chat with SVS and James, just so they also can have their fun and give live even more tips or so :) You guys did it really cool and it was easy to undersand, so shoutout to you Guys and James who (I think) did alot of Details Concerning the setup :)
Having the crossover point lower than the rating for the speaker will not cause any damage. Good speakers have inbuilt passive crossovers anyway unless they are either active by design or specifically designed to be driven by a bi-amplified setup with external crossover. Passive crossovers where necessary will reduce or cut frequencies that might damage the drivers. It is optimal to set your crossover points correctly, but setting them incorrectly won't cause any damage.
@@Kefford666 It depends on the design. But in any competently designed speaker the bass or mid bass drivers either themselves can't be damaged by any frequency they are likely to receive, or the crossover will account for driver limitations and cut frequencies accordingly. In general tweeters are the only driver that is likely to be damaged by too low a frequency, as by nature of their design they will overheat or be damaged by over-excursion. That's why even the most basic speaker will have at the very least a capacitor in series with the tweeter.
Good to see you're finally going the SVS route, I've been recommending them for years, but people would mostly shrug it off, until they heard them in action.. :)
Setting the speakers to 20 Hz above there min rating is useful if you want to play the speakers at really hight volume levels. What you should do is crank your system to what would be the maximum you would ever realistically listen to a movie. Then set your speakers full "large" or full range so it gets the full frequency. Listen to the speaker with all the other speakers disconnected. Of it does not sound like the bass is distorting. Then you are fine to drive it like that. But I'd it does distort then set the crossover to 20hz above the minimum. The reason why you would want your speakers to play down low is because of better coverage in the room. Yeah sure you can have the sub take over from 80hz and below but then you only have 1 source in the room playing the very Lowe frequencies. If you speakers are capable of playing 60hz or down to 40-30hz comfortably then let them. They will help out the sub.
Well I that case don't listen to Jake. This video is entertaining but Jake got a few things wrong. He is not an expert in this topic and it shows (no offense to him).
Given how finnicky the firmware is on that Vizio, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned even in passing. Although, I didn't notice all the bugs and...eccentricities...of the set until about a week of owning it.
Love my svs PC-2000's, they served me well but now are as back of room fill in my theater till I find someone who wants to buy them, as I upgraded earlier this year and they simply are not needed with my new subs. Just make sure u put safe-n-sound rockwool insulation in all your walls and ceiling spaces to help with sound, yes any insulation will help but it's some of the best. Welcome to the home theater club, watch your wallet, it's addictive 💰! I'm blessed with a wife that enjoys it so my upgrade talks go quite smoothly 😁
Including the snake oil like that $40000 power pole, "clean power", or $ millions dac, amp, speakers, etc can potentially misled people thought about audio world (practically the same as snake oil cables that was measured before). Especially from an influenced channel like this. That said though, I really enjoy Linus's home renovation series. Keep up the great work!
That guy actually did that, linus's point was that there are people in the aduiophile community who take it way more seriously than they need to , which is true, as in that case with the power pole, and many many more.
@@aperson2910 Because he would need to recharge them and get ones big enough to power these 900W speakers (And much bigger ones), this way he has INFINITE POWER!!
The clean power make better audio is plain straight up BS. There are so many layers of electrical separation between the pole and your speakers that it's physically impossible for one to have any measurable influence on the other. It's kind of sad to see LTT to fall for the "audiophile" marketing woo.
Clean power is a thing, but in most cases it won't do anything. It's only really important for places with shitty wiring. I think of it for places built before the 2000s, build with little care.
I love SVS, such a great company. I have an older (2004-2005 maybe?!) SVS cylinder subwoofer PC-Ultra (12 inch with a BASH amp, weighs 70lbs) that still rules. I really want to get these Ultra towers some day so I can get rid of my Infinity ones. The SVS Pinnacle towers also look very promising and I wouldn't mind hearing them one day. Cheers guys, crank it up and keep the videos coming 🤘😎
18:55 thank you Jake, when I installed my speakers the first time, I couldn't understand why it sounded worse than the TV. Then I found this setting, changed it, everything sounded good, but I never understood how and why. Now I know
I've been in the industry for 6 years so let me clarify a few things. What were you expecting from the remote exactly, a two pound slab of metal? The Denon remotes share the same codes between all receivers, so they're easily replaceable. More importantly though, Denon expects a receiver of that price range to end up on a control system. A high-cost remote would end up untouched in most cases. As for HEOS, my best guess for the rating is people setting it up themselves and not understanding it on a cheap receiver or the integrator not giving a proper orientation to the client. Of all the industry apps I can't stand, HEOS is not one of them and works quite well at that. They recently changed the interface appearance to look rounded with a new font, which I don't really like and could have led to some negative reviews, but it's functionally the same. I've had to have the discussion about the rating before and if you look at any industry app they're always floating in the 3s. The variables between self-purchase, improper setup or improper orientation skew it far further in the wrong direction. Let us not forget a happy customer is the quietest.
Reminded me of my theatre setup I did myself early this year in the middle of pandemic. I setup a 120” screen for my BenQ 4K projector and Denon AVR with 5.1.2 Atmos speaker setup for my 10’ x 14’ room.
Im sure they did this already, but hopefully they have a good structural engineer in there analyzing the weight distribution since any sagging would probably completely screw the water systems throughout the structure. Lots of heavy equipment being loaded in. Bonus; if there is a problem with the water systems from odd loading on them, make sure the equipment isnt easily floodable. All that piping makes me nervous with heavy equipment around
It's in the basement, underground, on a solid concrete substructure. I doubt weight distribution will be an issue lol. Now if it was on the second floor instead...
If them svs subs do not have eq you will want a eq to correct for the room to get a flat bass response in order to be able to set lfe level , the best one is the SVS AS-EQ1. The built in eq does not do sub eq.
Without this certain bass frequencys will be to loud and other to quite and will make the sub stand out and be easier to pin point, with the room correction you can set reference level correctly, for how the film was mixed and intended to be listen to by the director.
totally wrong the built in XT32 software on the denon is one of the most advanced SUB EQ systems on the market. 16,000 caps on the sub channel alone. Get your facts right before posting. The subs do have parametric eq on the app but parametric eq is no match for the many thousands of FIR filters applies in XT32. The svs-eq1 will be a downgrade and adding it to the mix will only make the sound worse!
Unlike the Audyssey MultEQ XT implementation found on many Receivers and Processors, it focuses solely on the subwoofer channel, it also has double the filter resolution and a maximum of 32 rather than 8 possible sweep positions. Again more than happy to be wrong but on a lot of the xt32 receivers in my testing have not performed any way near as good as a separate room correcting eq. Now I have not tried the latest and greatest but if its changed then I am wrong.
@@LainShotCS XT32 supports dual subs. It time aligns both subs and levels them separately before applying eq correction to the sound. Most people don't know that there is i think 4 different versions of audyessy. XT32 is the top level version. The most basic version which used to be found on old onkyo avrs for example didn't do sub eq. Hope this helps you.
I got a cheap Onkyo 5.1 receiver of like 300 bucks and an 20 year old Bose 5.1 speakerset and for this small room with only 14m² floorspace that's more then sufficient. Looking at this high end audio.. simply amazing but its also important you are able to use it to its full extent in your own home. It's going to be an interesting project to follow and hope to see more vlogs about this, it might give me an idea or 2. Actually have to thank Jake, I never put any thoughts about the large and small setting of speakers in my AVR so this definetly is worth checking. This definetly was a Jake's Tech Tips that learned me something :)
14:25 I've been in recording studios where the amps cost twice the speakers. It's not stupid. A passive speaker is basically a box with some drivers in em, the amp and the crossovers is where it really goes down
Simply said your speaker can just output what it gets. If you feed the speaker trash only trash will come out. Good speakers can make it even worse (or especially Studio Monitors) cause they can even more show you a bad thing in your Audio source. With good signal processing and amps you can get more out of cheaper speakers. A speaker wont get worse with an better signal and you have more potenial so a good dac and amp is important and so its not to uncommon to spend more money there.^^
@@thedausthed well yes. I never said they weren't, without a speaker an amp is useless. What I was saying is that amps can cost much more because there are way more electrical components inside an amp as opposed to a speaker. I never said speakers weren't the most important..
Uh, acoustic treatment is applicable at any budget level. A better sounding room works with any speakers. Also, blu-rays have the best audio. Uncompressed, usually 7.1 channels, but up to 32.
I used to be a DJ and sound designer. I had some killer setups back in the day. My home audio was JBL. One of my rigs was JBL Pro and the other was Eminence Audio. The clarity was astounding. Fast forward 10 years and I use a headset for my PC and the basic speakers in my TV. That needs to change. Thinking about Polk audio outdoor speakers for the back porch and some sort of 7.1 surround sound system for the projector.
Without the speaker grills, one day, watch some really young child in Linus' home theater room, say during a family party, poke his finger into the center of his speaker's bending in the center cone. I speak from experience... Had a woofer nearly destroyed on some non-replaceable 20 year old 10K$ speakers.
@@CockatooDude The center cones / bulbs of my speakers were made of a cloth-like material. I took 2 sewing needles, bent the tips into super tiny hooks, carefully guided them through the fabric cris-cross pattern and successfully pulled out the dome shape back to it's original shape. Those speaker grills have been on ever since...
@@BrianHG.Ocean.Fitness Damn dude I'm not surprised, I would've kept them on as well. Silk dome tweeters man. They sound good but they're so fragile lol.
"Blu-ray doesn't have the greatest audio quality anyway" uh, it's about the best you can get before you move up to the audio used in 4K movies..... well there's obviously uncompressed, but that just takes up a gigantic amount of space.
@@krane15 That is true, it depends on the audio mix as well, but before 4K became a thing, it was the highest level of audio quality (for film) that you could achieve.
@@krane15 no matter how badly the audio is on a blu ray it still sounds much better than any streaming service. If he's only going to use that kit for streaming services then he wasted a lot of money and a soundbar would have done him just fine.
4K movies are also Blu-Ray… and they use the same audio technology, lossless home theater Dolby Atmos. Nothing is better, aside from theatrical Dolby Atmos.
I've got an svs cylinder sub. They are awesome and the customer service is fantastic. I blew the woofer on the The two towers and they sent me a new woofer no problem. And it was easy to install cause they used connectors instead of solder. 👍
The towers look like the 1978 Meridian M1. But the M1 are active speakers with the amplifier in the base of the speaker. The packing box slides off from the base and is double layered for protection.
So, I work as a custom AV system designer and integrator. I have to say, Jake did an absolutely stellar job of explaining the concepts in this video. Lots of folks overlook a lot of the little details (especially with receivers) and I can personally attest for how much people appreciate when you take the time to dig into those. Hats off friends.
He lost me when he started talking about directing the subs. Subs are omni directional, if there were concerns of neighbors, stacking them in cardioid could solve most the problem, though it would look stupid as fuck.
@@Lysdexichack there are a couple good reasons for using two subs. Room resonance, for one. Using two subs, usually in opposite corners almost completely negates it. You will not have areas in the room with less bass/boomy bass, like with a single large sub. It will just sound like the amp has better control of the driver.
I've got two small, (maybe 14" cube) Martin Logan subs. They tend to reinforce each other quite a bit. If you turn one off, it's _extremely_ noticeable.
You would need quite a massive sub to match the performance, and even then, it probably would need to be placed in the middle of the room to get the best performance out of it. Subs generally sound like crap if they're right next to the wall. Even my two little subs sit maybe 2 feet from each corner. They're MUCH less obtrusive, at least visually.
And then headroom. 2 subs just give you more headroom than one massive sub. Keep in mind, the formula for loudness is about 3db every time you double the wattage. That means if your sub is playing at 103db with 500 watts, you would need another 500watts to get to 106db. Granted, two speakers are not twice as loud as one (as loudness doesn't add that way, it's MUCH more complicated). But adding another identical 300w sub would be significantly better than upgrading to a 600 watt sub. You only get 3db out of the bigger sub (all else equal), but you get an addition 103db (or whatever) of pressure out of a second sub. -Think about that. Same wattage, but one -_-doubles-_- your spl, the other only adds about 3%.-
Edit: (That is actually a stupid statement, as 106db is double 103db...) It was like 3am when I wrote that. Still, the argument for 2 subs holds up as it will increase headroom, as the amps arent being stressed as much, and a single sub can't reinforce itself or deal with room issues in a natural way.
You won't notice a big loudness difference, but you will feel it in your chest.
Also, Linus's subs are WAAAAAY too big for that room. He could get the same result with smaller speakers. He's going to have to run them really quiet compared to what they're capable of. It doesn't really add anything, and just takes up space that didn't need to be used tht way. It would annoy me, and I'm a dude with a 5.2.4 (fixed)Atmos system... I can't imagine what yovonne will think...
Sorry for the novel...
@@herranton I understand all that, I was just nitpicking at Jake's wording when talking about the subwoofers. Most people would think that the directionality of that subwoofer would be the same as any other speaker
There are a few things that were incorrect, or not explained well, but on the whole they did a pretty good job. It's funny when people talk about audio being expensive in terms of home audio, when I regularly send invoices for $200,000 worth of PA for halls, churches, rental companies etc
Eh the xover explanation was pretty lacking without explaining slopes which is often more important than the frequency setting itself.
6:01
The double terminals are for bi-wiring.
You can feed the speaker with two amplifiers or a single amplifier having A and B terminals for better impedance isolation between high and low frequencies.
Jake said it
Bi-amp. That's what I do. Since I only have a 5.1 setup, but my receiver can handle 7.1. The "spare" channels are also used to drive the front speakers.
You know, A and B terminals are basically connected electrical internally to each other, so this has absolutely no effect ;)
Yeah, bi-wiring doesn't really do much at all, considering both wires are attached at the same terminal on the amplifier. Which isn't BAD, mind you, but it's just like a bigger (lower gauge) wire. Now, Bi-AMPING on the other hand can be noticeably better. If your bass section is drawing a lot of juice, the detail/dynamic impact of your high section isn't going to suffer (and vice versa).
I would also point out that Linus asks if you can have your receiver do (active) crossover duties between highs and lows. Speakers that have a crossbar between the terminals already have built-in passive crossovers for the high (the tweeter and midrange in a two pair of terminals setup) and low sections. Inserting another crossover upstream from the speaker is not only redundant, but will mess with the sound as the speakers internal crossover will drop the slope even more, thus creating a noticeable dip in the crossover range. While there may be pieces of equipment that will have a bi-amp crossover controller built in, they're usually not on things that most people will regularly run across.
@@MultiWirth In cheap speakers, yes. In higher end speakers, you better hope there is some isolation. I know nothing about the speakers in this video but higher quality speakers require more power and you don't want that power feeding back into something else that can't handle it because of a loop, you'll start breaking expensive things.
"Honey why can I hear crab rave?"
"That's our neighbor Linus, he's a TH-camr."
*sugar sugar
"he lives 5 blocks away"
@@GameCyborgCh Ah that Linus Guy, the Linus whos Wifi has reception into the convenience store... I know who that is...
@@hotfoxk.9889 Why
"But isn't his yard so vast that his house is like half a mile away from ours?"
"Yes it is"
"Darn"
Linus, I’m a high end audio dealer and can tell you that the guy in the white outfit actually DOES come with those KEF Muon tower speakers. He’s the guy that designed them and he comes to your house to help ensure they are set up properly 😎😎
So man included after all. Noice.
It would be interesting to hear his recommendations and conclusions about the setup, when they finish the wall. I hope they'll give him a call and invite to ensure a proper installation
@@qbzerodp no no, Derek is talking about the $299k speakers, not the ones Linus and Jake installed, 😆
Can I keep him?
Linus really trying to write off renovating his whole home as a business expense
You'd be a fool to not do the same.
It already worked once,why not do it again?
linus tax tips
His setup sucks I have a 50k setup
Every three fucking days is a “I am rich and can save money by spending money”. These videos are gross. Also they are bad. There is zero actual useful information and just feel like ads.
For example his wifi video was literally zero percent useful. He didn’t talk about setup. He just had jake set everything up and then said look at the speeds meanwhile bragging he got a 1000 dollar router for the outside.
I’m loving the “Linus and Jake carry heavy stuff into Linus’s unfinished home” series haha
Funny number
Yeah, but guys did you notice that these speakers look like speakers "!tech ingredients" made ?
u mean "never finished home"?
As if the neighbors wouldn’t already hate you with your super long range Wi-Fi that can be picked up from across the block.
Why would that affect them?
personally i dont see how this would be an annoyance to people
@@shaktivelan Jake made a remark a while back about the neighbors possibly hating Linus for taking up the Wi-Fi frequency from super far ranges outside with his ballin’ Wi-Fi set-up.
They would hate him even more.
XD
4:16 "This is not what I told Yvonne" - Linus sheer terror in the eyes is so enormous as if Yvonne really was about to brutally murder Linus. :D
Lol
Yeah next video is gonna be "Hey so I got this OTHER sound system that I really wanted to check out" because Yvonne said no way josé
"Happy wife, happy life."- Linus probably.
The next episode could be showing off personal surround sound systems... the kind that can be used when in a hospital bed...
I mean, if Yvonne doesn't like it, she can just go watch movies in the living room or something... When you're at the point where you decide that you are going to do an actual home theater dedicated room; why would it still matter what the speakers look like? At that point you only want the best sound quality. You're gonna switch the lights off anyway...
I'm loving this series! And seeing how many people are enjoying it, Linus should probably just move again once he completes his home lol
Linus doesn't have to move to make this type of content but if one of his staff members moves, LTT can also make a series about it!
@@realracer0353 "So I wanted a sick Home Theatre setup like Linus, but since he underpays me here's my new LCD TV and $50 Soundbar."
sure
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He can branch off / diversify Linus Media Group even more with a home (or rather, tech) makeover show 😆
Love that this series is basically Linus's Intel Tech Upgrade (with a way higher budget) with Jake being the one hassling him and saying no.
Just need Jake to comment more often on the stuff Linus has stolen from the office and it would be perfect.
Nothing like watching Linus pace around the room worrying about what his wife is gonna say 😂
Happy spouse, happy house? Lol
i highly recommend the WAN show where he buys thousands in stock and has to call his wife about it
@@epsileth hahaha 😂😂😂 true
@@hugothomas776 The MSI dragon statue. 😂
He is a good actor, lol.
this whole linus house series is just insane and almost overwhelming to watch. like they are actively trying to remodel thier whole house while installing 25k of audio and home theater stuff
I love it. Hope he never finishes the house, cause it's a fun series to watch.
Edit: sorry Linus, maybe that was rude of me to say I hope you never finish your house, but it's very entertaining. Maybe just keep buying houses, install all this crazy shit that sponsors give you for free, then flip the house for a profit. Send me $10 in Canadian if you end up doing this, cause idk it'd be nice 👍
He probably spent less than 5k definitely not 25k
Yes. Hey, BTW did you have a long wait at the bread line? Because I sure did!
@@SqueamishPuppet the reciever is $6000 alone. The speakers also $6000
@@jemiebridges3197 speakers weren't 6k but I thought he'd said 1500. But okay he's has about 12k in those things. I bet he's probably 15k all on including the current tv. Which is still 10k below 25.
Linus: "The audiophiles are so upset, I feed on their tears."
Viewers: "We remember that headphone video that made you cry, Linus."
This needs to be the top comment!!!
@@RWDtech ah yes birthday spankings we need more those not audiophiles
Which video was this again?
@@THEAJ109 The Abyss 1266 video where he invited DMS.
WAV 32 BIT ARISE
I love how Jake is the only person capable of reeling in Linus's chaos.
NO, YOU DON'T GET TO OPEN THE AV RECEIVER YET LMAO
There's Yvonne as well.
I have to find you a set of Vandersteen 3A for the next time I go to Canada
The best part is Linus freaking out. Gotta say, Jake, is basically the friend that gets you to spend all the money on cool stuff he plans on using.
3:22 - "Why do I have to go backwards AND carry the heavy end?"
Because after god only knows how many videos of putting various equipment in your house(s), you've still not realised that buying a hand trolley is a good idea. You can even get electric ones that are used to carry heavy stuff up stairs.
Linus just wanting to show off his butt...
@@robertvantine2810 And you can too with LTT Store Boxer Briefs XD
imagine having a fully furnished house but having less tech than a house that doesn't have a dry wall
sadge
Imagine having a house...
@I killed that beard guy Imagine having freshly baked cookies...
@@Outland9000 now I'm hungry
Imagine getting a heart from LTT.
@@rodrigof.5956 OK
At 23:14 OBSBOT with the iPhone have a really good shake from the subwoofer, I like it 🤣🤩
I'm glad that Brandon was such a good sport about being replaced by a machine. A true Canadian.
Let's go Brandon!
@@JZStudiosonlinelol
I feel genuinely happy for Linus, he's one of the few "Influencers" who actually worked the work and got himself to the point where he could buy this stuff for himself and his fam
This is heartwarming
Agreed
And he's a legit business man. He started way more than just a "youtube channel". It extends so much further than that and has tons of employees under his own name. Kinda crazy
Used to have a squeaky voice. Now he is straight up beast $$$$$$$$$. Fair play to him he dam well deserves every last bit. Because it was born out of real passion. And its still there
Let's be honest. 90% of the toys in this house are send for free for the review. 😂😂😂
How, and when exactly, DID Linus get his start?
Jake selling the subs is like me trying to convince my dad that anything electronic is worth it
God I felt that lmfao
Thankful everyday that i grew up in a tech-forward household
The subs are _too big_ for the room. They will need to be placed in less than ideal spots, simply for ergonomic reasons, and it _will_ effect performance. A well positioned inexpensive sub will outperform a big ass noise machine in the wrong spot. By a lot. You can't just make up for it with power. You will color the sound. It will be muddy and/or boomy.
And they won't be able to take advantage of the power, because, well, they're way too big for the room. Two subs IS better. But you gotta size them right. You can't just buy all the expensivist stuff and hope it works.
@@herranton simply put that bass extension is gonna be too bright for the room no matter what and what will end up happening is it will muddle out the rest of the F.R. range of this setup
@@ydid687 Linus makes fun of audiophiles, and then buys a bunch of nice stuff and proceeds to shove all the speakers in ridiculous places.
He could've spent half the money and had it sound twice as nice if he would've listened to an "audiophile" on how to size a system to a room.
Idgaf what software you're using. You can't cheat physics. Software room correction can only do so much. At some point, you need to actually try to put your speakers at least close to where theyre supposed to go.
It's hard to watch.
That's some nice theater gear too.
Having your surround sound in the basement is actually really beneficial to preventing the noise from bleeding outside of the house. I can crank mine as high as I want and barely hear it outside in my own yard.
Terrible reflections from concrete walls though
@@charlesmcguffy In an unfinished basement for sure, but once it is finished + a little sound treatment... really holds in the sound, even the bass (I have two 8" subs and they're barely audible outside)
Love the way you demonstrate Obsbot in this video. You show it's capability but don't hide it's inability to track vertically.
As an Audiophile and hardware nerd, I FULLY understand wanting to play with the new toys immediately :P and I know it won't be so terrible when you finish it properly ;)
I love how linus is yelling through the whole intro
Linus: "This is a lot cheaper right Brandon"
Depends on how many times he drops it.
Brandon should have said no, his job depends on that
@@mightygreen3364 He is fine, he is employee no 4, at this point the job at LMG is a paid hobby where he can convince Linus to buy photographic toys that mere mortals can't afford... (Re: the real reason why we spent 140k on our camera)
Linus freaking about Yvonne's approval is kinda wholesome.
Wholesome? Kinda sad, really. She sounds like a controlling bully. I really hope its exaggerated.
@@_evildoer You do realise they're actually married and live in the exact same house, right?
@@CanIHasThisName Imagine a situation where a woman is talking about a room she is putting together that revolves around one of her interests and she explains that the husband wont let her do this and that because he doesn't like the look of it. Does the husband not sound controlling in that situation?
@@_evildoer ... Man yall really try to find a problem in every situation on the internet. Its amazing
@@_evildoer Imagine a scenario where one member of a healthy relationship takes into account the other person’s preferences when furnishing a **shared** space. Maybe next WAN Show we can ask Linus about the times Linus overruled Yvonne’s proposals.
I love these home setup type videos. Or videos like their old server cleaning videos. Idk why but they just hold my attention way better.
I want Yvonne's side of these videos, plus the tech the lady is installing into the house!
Do we really want to watch kitchen appliances?
@@Varangian_af_ScaniaeLots of interesting technology in Kitchens, nowadays I've seen WiFi options etc. An there's a good chance it wouldn't be just kitchens.
@@Varangian_af_Scaniae a woman is more likely to be found in a kitchen than in your room
@@CrazyNerdInventor What do we have here? A white knight or a male feminist? White knight is preferred since they are siobyos and not predators.
Its crazy how Linus is becoming the rich cool dad from the movies that literaly has a whole teather for their kids and a badminton private
eventually the outside of his house is just going to be covered in sponsor names lol
Honestly, it was cheaper for our dad to build a basketball court in our back yard than to pay for ymca memberships for four kids. Badmiton court costs less. Unless he adds handball courts to one end.
He is (I think) renting out a whole gym for his employees
@@Appoxo yeah, renting it forever
he actually bought the place
@Thor Crowley well because he's not a thief, like one of the politicians.
6:18 no, biamping is not about receiver handling the crossover. Crossover is still the same, you can't bypass it.
In this kind of usage (mid+high and low connected to the same kind of amp) the only benefit is lower distortion at higher volume (you don't get clipping from bass amp into the mids/highs).
There's also biwiring, but there's pretty much no benefit to that.
Glad you didn't choose overhyped Klipsch like many do these days.
You didn't watch the whole video then.
@@dubious6718 they used klipsch roof cause it sounds like they already had them lying around
weird how so many even middle grade speakers have split posts for this functionality yet it's so nearly useless...
The crossover isn't the same though, because the amp channels only see the crossover for the units they are driving. The two halves of the crossover are not the same for the high and low parts so when you bi-amp, each amp channel only sees a simpler crossover for the units it is driving. This should lower distortion at all volumes.
@@NicholasStevensDrBiscuit Even though what you say is true, I don't see how it would lower the distortion. Amp would still have to drive the same 4 or 8 ohms, just in a narrower frequency range.
Whether a crossover is complicated or simple doesn't affect amplifier that much, what it sees, is the impedance. The closer you get to flat impedance curve (resistive load), the better.
On one hand biamping brings the impedance higher in cross region, but on the other it turns the load there from resistive to capacitive/inductive. Not sure any of this is significant enough to make any difference, though.
Biamp would make sense if different amps were used. Or, of course, with an active crossover.
i hope linus drop another "what's feels like to work with linus" video
@@hotfoxk.9889 How abt no
@@hotfoxk.9889 Not epic, reported
That Denon is awesome.
A few corrections:
- blu-rays have the BEST audio quality available to consumers
- Tower speakers are not just about moving more air, but about ensuring full coverage of the entire tonal spectrum.
Aren't a lot of blu-rays these days with lossless sound?
@@iivarimokelainen Yes, most blu-rays have lossless audio. And not just these days, but for more than a decade they have had much better audio than even the best of the current mainstream streaming services.
From a live sound engineer who loves the low end:
Placing subwoofers too far apart can create holes in the coverage due to cancellation of waves. Depending on the crossover frequency the space between them is limited accordingly.
Like if the subs play to up to 120Hz they can be farther apart than for example 60Hz
My advice would be to try out different placements, ranging from the corners to right next to the TV
Optics aside the closer the two are the more even and impactful the bass is going to be
Cheers
18:49 Seeing how SVS recommends 60-80Hz, I would put the subs closer for sure!
Or move the tv forward and put them behind the tv.
About that audiophile guy with the pole: that’s absolute snakeoil, unless you have a poorly designed amplifier. Then again, it probably uses a mains frequency transformer because anything newer than the 80s is cursed to these people. Just objectively wrong. Modern power supplies have way less ripple on their DC output, especially if you’re looking at high loads of many 100s of watts.
Logic and audiophiles don't mix.
@@NJRoadfan blasphemy
Not to mention that for half that price you could shield all the wiring in your audio setup and put in a custom rotary converter to get cleaner power than anything you can get from the grid and it's giant 100s of miles long antennae.
@@cargillmonteque2311 I was lucky enough to work with a few engineers from Bose on recording projects.
The dollar value where they feel their sound is at its best vs how expensive their stuff gets is hilariously low. Placebo effect with audiophile gear is very real and they take full advantage of it by design.
@@CaptainMeatshield I think the thought process behind the power pole is that he gets a connection directly to a transformer, and thus reduces the voltage drop/fluctuations in the low voltage wiring behind the block transformer which may be a few hundred meters away. Sort of like the car audio people that put huge capacitors on their 12V systems. I believe the grid can handle his amplifier without noticeable voltage drop :). If harmonics or transient effects are a problem for them then get a more robust amplifier...
Love these small home improvements, and props to Jake for doing the homework. These components are really good quality overall.
he should have just gone with Bowers and Wllkins
@@Froeg I feel a disturbance in the force as the audiophile community grabs their pitchforks in reaction to this comment
@@Froeg Nah. B&W makes great speakers, bit you have to spend 3x as much to get something that really competes with these Ultras.
@@clapanse KEF would've beat them or best yet Decware
Linus and Jake work so well together. I love it.
Congratulations on everything you are achieving from your hard work and earned success. Your house is coming together and looking amazing.
This is def a plan to pay for his new house by making all of these videos lol
A good plan at that
Listen all I'm saying is, he could just keep buying houses, get sponsored free equipment like this, install it to the house, and flip it for a profit, and then this series continues even after his house is finished. Ez win.
@@HaggisDruid you miss out on a crucial point - who tf is gonna buy them? Nobody is that rich, except maybe thieves who literally have nothing else to spend it on
it's true, i'm the neighbour
Lmfao so fast
No way. You live with your parents and they're too broke to live in his neighborhood
@@godthegod4491 dang why you gotta be so mean
@@godthegod4491 dang that was a joke man
@@godthegod4491 damn dude way to rain on a joke
I love how jake knows so much about everything, definitely an asset to LTT
Well, it's not everything he said, that was entirely correct. But close enough.
He probably did a lot of research for this video and had assistance from other LMG staff. For example, James is usually their "high end sound" guy, I'm sure he had some input.
@@lollol9236 Jake gave a shoutout at the end for james so definitely yes
@@lollol9236 James should've been here then
Highly recommend Star Trek (2009) 'Arrival at Vulcan' scene for testing (it's approx 47 mins into the movie). The part where Kirk runs onto bridge and they drop out of warp at Vulcan is absolutely amazing. The sound of the warp to impulse change and the collision with the other starships, especially when you can hear hull plates flying overhead and behind you, is some of the best audio i've heard in a movie.
SVS ultra series! I’m so proud 🥲
eyy DMS i scrolled so far down because i was frustrated a bit with their choice but that's us audiophiles we are never satisfied with someone else's choices
i think they should've gone with Decware diy or open baffles or atleast with some dyna/elac/Buchardt or kef offerings but what can an outsider do huh
also update your google sheets BRUH
2051: Linus, on his deathbed:
"Kid, it is time to paint the walls of the new house, we can finally move in next Wednesday."
2051 is a bit early, don't you think?
@@Manawyrm Not if his wife kills him for some purchase or something.
When your sound system power output will strip paint thats when you know you have the 'Live Rock Performance' high fidelity system you were aiming for.
"This kit retails for around 4500 USD which sounds like a lot to some people but in the world of professional audio that's cheap"
No Jake. We don't call it cheap. We didn't get it for cheap. We got it for *a good price*
That way we get to spend a lot of money without having to define the word cheap to people and still justify it with "There's more expensive stuff out there" :D
I find myself saying "relatively cheap" alot when talking about some of my audio gear.
I know James is super busy now, but this really should have been his show. He is the resident audiophile in LTT.
True.
james should be in the next version of it I.e. the actual deployment when the room has walls and stuff so he can verify it
ye qwould be cool for him to do it (dont know much about what hes doing rn)
@@ExtraWasabi I think that's where you need the audiophile the most. Most of your sound quality comes from the room set up
i love the super jank house videos. It really takes a step back from the clean more professional content LTT makes and it feels like a dude just nerding out over cool tech again
I love seeing how excited you are about your new home theater! I really wish more people got in to the hobby but I think there are just a lot of natural barriers. Having the space to dedicate or the significant other not pitch a fit about all the big black boxes. Some financial barriers, though other hobbies can cost many times more, and you can set something up really nice on a budget. Lastly there are so few places that people can experiece what is possible in a home setting. There are so few places these days that you can demo a proper audio experience side to the home theater as it takes up a lot of floor space. You pretty much have to have a friend who has one or a Best Buy with a Magnolia Hifi. There are many dedicated audio stores in major cities but they cater to the upper echelon of Hifi and are not a welcoming space to many looking to dip their toes in the hobby. I wish more people could see what Home Theater is capable of at almost any budget.
Perfect setup for my college dorm room.
I love the videos with Linus and Jake. It’s oddly entertaining.
Linus making this title pretending like he's poor enough to have neighbors close by lol
@@hotfoxk.9889 Damn thats so cool bro
but did anyone ask
He might be referring to the constant shouting by his family due to their shattered eardrums
@@hotfoxk.9889 i was going to tell you to f off but i genuinely enjoyed that lol
@@hotfoxk.9889 I thought I was gonna get rick rolled but damn that was awesome.
Yes because neighbours dont exist if you have money
ive had surround sense i was 15, loved audio. i just built a 7.4.2 system in my new house's living room. all floor standing speakers and 18" subs but sub sonic bass shakers (get these if you dont have them). i watched interstellar last night and it shook the house enough to knock dishes down in the kitchen. hands down the best thing ive ever done for movies. if you guys have not tried it - get your self a measurement microphone and some RTA/Room EQ software and fine tune your space when its setup. you will be FUCKING AMAZED at the difference fine tuning can make in terms of sound staging in the center position.
"I could doit by myself"... Jake: "Let's see! “
Shit Jake just reverse psychology'd Linus into doing it for him... Well played sir.
Linus, when your house is built and done, you really should do a walk through of all the rooms in the house that have cool setups like this so we can experience what it is like when its all done.
Edit: Didn't expect the likes to go up like that lmao
when he is house what?
LTT Cribs?
So happy for you. Enjoy all that you've worked hard for. You gotta do a vid of you & your family watching a movie when it's all done. Can't wait to see the look on their faces
Looking forward to see what HDMI 2.1 cable they’ll use. Hard to find one 20+ feet and in wall rates. But since they have the cable tester they can figure it out for us!
Linus, I am very excited for you. I have been doing Home Theater since '96, and it is my passion. I built my first 7.1 two years ago and then added Atmos, and there is no doubt Dobly Atmos is the most significant jump in Home Theater since we went from Dolby Pro Logic to Dolby Digital. For those watching, Dolby Atmos is not just speakers on the ceiling. Atmos is object-based, so even if you do not have ceiling speakers, Atmos makes the WHOLE soundtrack better. Even all the bed speakers (5 or 7.1) are clear and separated.
May I suggest that you ask Brian the electrician to explain to you what a "rectifier" is and why AC power cleanness can't possibly have any effect on the audio output signal whatsoever.
AC Power cleanness CAN have an effect on an audio output signal without a doubt, albeit it's usually inaudible unless it's really bad.
I've had one instance where a switchmode power supply in a different room was feeding EMI back into the mains. That particular frequency made it through the toroid and past the filtering in one of my amps, into one of the preamp stages and was vividly audible in the speaker.
Another thing that can happen is that a DC Offset causes the transformer (assuming your amplifier uses a linear psu) to hum excessively, this won't be audible through the speaker but come from the amp directly, toroids suffer from this especially.
@@Blacktronics Yeah I've seen similar things. It's just the natural backlash to all the snake oil in the audio world. There is so much BS that people have come to think everything is BS. Problem is that like you said, some of that BS is actually based on a kernel of truth. It's just that the average Joe with his 50 dollar soundbar will never hear that truth.
i wonder at what point does the technology in his house surpass the house itself in value
I’m glad to see he went with SVS gear. Their stuff is outstanding. Now you just have to get in their podcast or visa versus.
19:30
This is when you'd set all speakers except subwoofers at 80Hz or more, especially with quality subs. regardless if the speakers can go lower.
exactly plus the room correction system focuses most of its DSP correction on the sub channel. The bass area of the main channels doesn't get the same level of resolution on correction. So the more bass you route to the subs the cleaner the sound will be over all..... unless of course the room is a complete acoustic nightmare. Room correction isn't really fixing the room....lol
@@12P14D22C I'm not saying you are wrong.. but.. Wikipedia, along with many, many blind tests show that
Do a Live Chat with SVS and James, just so they also can have their fun and give live even more tips or so :)
You guys did it really cool and it was easy to undersand, so shoutout to you Guys and James who (I think) did alot of Details Concerning the setup :)
Having the crossover point lower than the rating for the speaker will not cause any damage. Good speakers have inbuilt passive crossovers anyway unless they are either active by design or specifically designed to be driven by a bi-amplified setup with external crossover. Passive crossovers where necessary will reduce or cut frequencies that might damage the drivers. It is optimal to set your crossover points correctly, but setting them incorrectly won't cause any damage.
If the crossover point is lower than the built-in passive crossover then surely the built-in circuitry will be doing nothing?
@@Kefford666 It depends on the design. But in any competently designed speaker the bass or mid bass drivers either themselves can't be damaged by any frequency they are likely to receive, or the crossover will account for driver limitations and cut frequencies accordingly. In general tweeters are the only driver that is likely to be damaged by too low a frequency, as by nature of their design they will overheat or be damaged by over-excursion. That's why even the most basic speaker will have at the very least a capacitor in series with the tweeter.
Good to see you're finally going the SVS route, I've been recommending them for years, but people would mostly shrug it off, until they heard them in action.. :)
this is so clutch. I'm in the middle of building my first home theater set up right now and the AVR set up tips from Jake were super useful
Setting the speakers to 20 Hz above there min rating is useful if you want to play the speakers at really hight volume levels. What you should do is crank your system to what would be the maximum you would ever realistically listen to a movie. Then set your speakers full "large" or full range so it gets the full frequency. Listen to the speaker with all the other speakers disconnected. Of it does not sound like the bass is distorting. Then you are fine to drive it like that. But I'd it does distort then set the crossover to 20hz above the minimum. The reason why you would want your speakers to play down low is because of better coverage in the room. Yeah sure you can have the sub take over from 80hz and below but then you only have 1 source in the room playing the very Lowe frequencies. If you speakers are capable of playing 60hz or down to 40-30hz comfortably then let them. They will help out the sub.
Well I that case don't listen to Jake. This video is entertaining but Jake got a few things wrong. He is not an expert in this topic and it shows (no offense to him).
The immersion is unreal when the camera man is also named Brandon. "That's a lot cheaper, right Brandon?" Me "yeah for sure"
But your name is Anthony 😯
Bro you're a Moose get outta here.
Congratulation Linus. I was excited for that following camera. Thank you Linus and team.
That what i love about Linus, He still has the excitement and wonder of a Kid. I reckon He is a great Dad :)
Congratulations LTT. You've won me over. It is the first time I've ever bought a
A sponsor product. Obsbot looks awesome.
linus definitely needs to make the home theater a room within a room to keep the sounds from the inside in and from the outsides out :D
Little too late: If you didn't realize that's a concrete formed room
@@j.ballsdeep420 you can easily put a studded wall inside of it :D
Which is why many home theater are basement conversions.
Given how finnicky the firmware is on that Vizio, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned even in passing. Although, I didn't notice all the bugs and...eccentricities...of the set until about a week of owning it.
Whats the name of that vizio tv?
@@BiggieCheese49 It's the 2021 OLED model. OLED65-H1 (65 inch version)
Love my svs PC-2000's, they served me well but now are as back of room fill in my theater till I find someone who wants to buy them, as I upgraded earlier this year and they simply are not needed with my new subs. Just make sure u put safe-n-sound rockwool insulation in all your walls and ceiling spaces to help with sound, yes any insulation will help but it's some of the best. Welcome to the home theater club, watch your wallet, it's addictive 💰! I'm blessed with a wife that enjoys it so my upgrade talks go quite smoothly 😁
I'm glad you chose SVS & not some other setup, been following them for years.
Hey, another episode of "Linus gets to expense home improvements"
Right look at these chumps in these comments. Laughing in our face the way to the bank. I hate this world.
Including the snake oil like that $40000 power pole, "clean power", or $ millions dac, amp, speakers, etc can potentially misled people thought about audio world (practically the same as snake oil cables that was measured before). Especially from an influenced channel like this.
That said though, I really enjoy Linus's home renovation series. Keep up the great work!
I don't really understand. Why couldn't the person just use the electricity from a battery?.
That guy actually did that, linus's point was that there are people in the aduiophile community who take it way more seriously than they need to , which is true, as in that case with the power pole, and many many more.
@@aperson2910 Because he would need to recharge them and get ones big enough to power these 900W speakers (And much bigger ones), this way he has INFINITE POWER!!
The clean power make better audio is plain straight up BS. There are so many layers of electrical separation between the pole and your speakers that it's physically impossible for one to have any measurable influence on the other. It's kind of sad to see LTT to fall for the "audiophile" marketing woo.
Clean power is a thing, but in most cases it won't do anything. It's only really important for places with shitty wiring. I think of it for places built before the 2000s, build with little care.
One of my favorite video of Linus, As a home theater fanatic, I loved this video!❤️🔥
I love SVS, such a great company. I have an older (2004-2005 maybe?!) SVS cylinder subwoofer PC-Ultra (12 inch with a BASH amp, weighs 70lbs) that still rules. I really want to get these Ultra towers some day so I can get rid of my Infinity ones. The SVS Pinnacle towers also look very promising and I wouldn't mind hearing them one day. Cheers guys, crank it up and keep the videos coming 🤘😎
18:55 thank you Jake, when I installed my speakers the first time, I couldn't understand why it sounded worse than the TV. Then I found this setting, changed it, everything sounded good, but I never understood how and why. Now I know
this is so amazing every house should have one of these!
I've been in the industry for 6 years so let me clarify a few things. What were you expecting from the remote exactly, a two pound slab of metal? The Denon remotes share the same codes between all receivers, so they're easily replaceable. More importantly though, Denon expects a receiver of that price range to end up on a control system. A high-cost remote would end up untouched in most cases. As for HEOS, my best guess for the rating is people setting it up themselves and not understanding it on a cheap receiver or the integrator not giving a proper orientation to the client. Of all the industry apps I can't stand, HEOS is not one of them and works quite well at that. They recently changed the interface appearance to look rounded with a new font, which I don't really like and could have led to some negative reviews, but it's functionally the same. I've had to have the discussion about the rating before and if you look at any industry app they're always floating in the 3s. The variables between self-purchase, improper setup or improper orientation skew it far further in the wrong direction. Let us not forget a happy customer is the quietest.
I think with the remote he ment something that is a bit slimmer.
@@royilevy7322 he should be slimmer too while we're at it...no?
Would love to hear Linus' take on the difference of his now SVS setup versus the Klipsch back at the compound.
Reminded me of my theatre setup I did myself early this year in the middle of pandemic. I setup a 120” screen for my BenQ 4K projector and Denon AVR with 5.1.2 Atmos speaker setup for my 10’ x 14’ room.
Gotta love how Supernova is playing in the background than as the drop hits the intro comes in.
Im sure they did this already, but hopefully they have a good structural engineer in there analyzing the weight distribution since any sagging would probably completely screw the water systems throughout the structure. Lots of heavy equipment being loaded in. Bonus; if there is a problem with the water systems from odd loading on them, make sure the equipment isnt easily floodable. All that piping makes me nervous with heavy equipment around
It's in the basement, underground, on a solid concrete substructure. I doubt weight distribution will be an issue lol. Now if it was on the second floor instead...
2:56 blu rays have far superior sound to any streaming service and 4K blu rays have much much higher quality audio than standard blu rays.
Agreed, low quality audio is the worst part about streaming movies
If them svs subs do not have eq you will want a eq to correct for the room to get a flat bass response in order to be able to set lfe level , the best one is the SVS AS-EQ1.
The built in eq does not do sub eq.
Without this certain bass frequencys will be to loud and other to quite and will make the sub stand out and be easier to pin point, with the room correction you can set reference level correctly, for how the film was mixed and intended to be listen to by the director.
totally wrong the built in XT32 software on the denon is one of the most advanced SUB EQ systems on the market. 16,000 caps on the sub channel alone. Get your facts right before posting. The subs do have parametric eq on the app but parametric eq is no match for the many thousands of FIR filters applies in XT32. The svs-eq1 will be a downgrade and adding it to the mix will only make the sound worse!
@@pumpituphomeboy happy to be wrong, but unless things have changed audacity dose not have the save level of sub eq.
Unlike the Audyssey MultEQ XT implementation found on many Receivers and Processors, it focuses solely on the subwoofer channel, it also has double the filter resolution and a maximum of 32 rather than 8 possible sweep positions. Again more than happy to be wrong but on a lot of the xt32 receivers in my testing have not performed any way near as good as a separate room correcting eq.
Now I have not tried the latest and greatest but if its changed then I am wrong.
@@LainShotCS XT32 supports dual subs. It time aligns both subs and levels them separately before applying eq correction to the sound. Most people don't know that there is i think 4 different versions of audyessy. XT32 is the top level version. The most basic version which used to be found on old onkyo avrs for example didn't do sub eq. Hope this helps you.
I got a cheap Onkyo 5.1 receiver of like 300 bucks and an 20 year old Bose 5.1 speakerset and for this small room with only 14m² floorspace that's more then sufficient.
Looking at this high end audio.. simply amazing but its also important you are able to use it to its full extent in your own home.
It's going to be an interesting project to follow and hope to see more vlogs about this, it might give me an idea or 2. Actually have to thank Jake, I never put any thoughts about the large and small setting of speakers in my AVR so this definetly is worth checking. This definetly was a Jake's Tech Tips that learned me something :)
I have these towers on order, can't wait for them to come in. Of course I have to piece the system together over time, can't afford it all at once!
14:25 I've been in recording studios where the amps cost twice the speakers. It's not stupid. A passive speaker is basically a box with some drivers in em, the amp and the crossovers is where it really goes down
Simply said your speaker can just output what it gets. If you feed the speaker trash only trash will come out. Good speakers can make it even worse (or especially Studio Monitors) cause they can even more show you a bad thing in your Audio source. With good signal processing and amps you can get more out of cheaper speakers. A speaker wont get worse with an better signal and you have more potenial so a good dac and amp is important and so its not to uncommon to spend more money there.^^
You clearly have no idea about audio if you think that! Speakers are by far the most important component!
@@thedausthed well yes. I never said they weren't, without a speaker an amp is useless. What I was saying is that amps can cost much more because there are way more electrical components inside an amp as opposed to a speaker. I never said speakers weren't the most important..
Uh, acoustic treatment is applicable at any budget level. A better sounding room works with any speakers.
Also, blu-rays have the best audio. Uncompressed, usually 7.1 channels, but up to 32.
sure, Mr Audiophile
I want more of Jake doing home theater guides, like you guys do pc stuff. I learned a ton!
Came from his 8 year old video from Techquickie on TV types , to this channel. What a ride!!! Love this guy :)
I used to be a DJ and sound designer. I had some killer setups back in the day. My home audio was JBL. One of my rigs was JBL Pro and the other was Eminence Audio. The clarity was astounding.
Fast forward 10 years and I use a headset for my PC and the basic speakers in my TV. That needs to change.
Thinking about Polk audio outdoor speakers for the back porch and some sort of 7.1 surround sound system for the projector.
Without the speaker grills, one day, watch some really young child in Linus' home theater room, say during a family party, poke his finger into the center of his speaker's bending in the center cone. I speak from experience... Had a woofer nearly destroyed on some non-replaceable 20 year old 10K$ speakers.
Oh god dude I don't even want to think about that, that hurts me so bad. I hope you were able to get those speakers back in shape.
i saw Andrew Robinson's video just yesterday before this..he warned of the same thing for every child and pet owner
@@CockatooDude The center cones / bulbs of my speakers were made of a cloth-like material. I took 2 sewing needles, bent the tips into super tiny hooks, carefully guided them through the fabric cris-cross pattern and successfully pulled out the dome shape back to it's original shape. Those speaker grills have been on ever since...
@@BrianHG.Ocean.Fitness Damn dude I'm not surprised, I would've kept them on as well. Silk dome tweeters man. They sound good but they're so fragile lol.
@@CockatooDude They were woofers. Luckily, the tweeters were out of reach as they are foil ribbons. One scratch there, and they need replacing.
"Blu-ray doesn't have the greatest audio quality anyway" uh, it's about the best you can get before you move up to the audio used in 4K movies..... well there's obviously uncompressed, but that just takes up a gigantic amount of space.
yes its only full lossless multi channel sound.....take that netflix
It all depend on the disc, since just like the video, they're not all created equal.
@@krane15 That is true, it depends on the audio mix as well, but before 4K became a thing, it was the highest level of audio quality (for film) that you could achieve.
@@krane15 no matter how badly the audio is on a blu ray it still sounds much better than any streaming service. If he's only going to use that kit for streaming services then he wasted a lot of money and a soundbar would have done him just fine.
4K movies are also Blu-Ray… and they use the same audio technology, lossless home theater Dolby Atmos. Nothing is better, aside from theatrical Dolby Atmos.
Cant wait to buy it and blast it out on my entire neighbourhood just out of spite
Maybe the Church beside my flat would buy them and suddenly play them at full blast at around 1-2 AM night (like they had done previously before)
@@hotfoxk.9889 No Not Epic just the regular Spam Sh*t
@@hotfoxk.9889 They are so fcnk cute
I've got an svs cylinder sub. They are awesome and the customer service is fantastic. I blew the woofer on the The two towers and they sent me a new woofer no problem. And it was easy to install cause they used connectors instead of solder. 👍
The towers look like the 1978 Meridian M1. But the M1 are active speakers with the amplifier in the base of the speaker. The packing box slides off from the base and is double layered for protection.
1:11 "Man not included" got me dying 😂