***** Looking forward to it! :) Your videos are the best on TH-cam in my opinion for GOT reviews! How do I enter the book contest too? Keep seeing it pop up in the videos but am unsure what I need to do to take part? :) Big fan from the UK!
***** i think varus is gonna tell danny that jon is her brother..to get her to leave mareene and finally go to westeros..the master of spies HAS to know the truth
alfie hagan Okay, so I see this a lot, and yes, it makes sense, but do you think GRRM would write this massive universe to focus on one character? No! The books aren't about any one character. It's about the relationship about two seemingly opposing forces. Neither of the forces are bad, as in fire isn't bad, nor is ice and neither of the forces are good, fire isn't good, neither is ice.
joker joly youtube I hope he does something badass like chop off his own arm or something. If he is going to die let him die fighting for every last breath like a knight should.
nichst100 Yeah but it wouldn't really be the same. There is just something about having the stones to chop off your own limb. Sure someone else could do it for you and get the same result but in the end it just means you were too weak to do it yourself.
"A Targaryen Alone in the World is a Terrible Thing" Did anyone else Notice that when Maester Aemon said that, John walks in on his conversation with Sam? Seemed like it was a reference ....
He said he was tempted to do just that once, many years ago, but he then realised it would have been unfair to have left so many clues that lead to a certain direction and then just change all of it just because someone guessed it right. Since then, he doesn't read Fan Theories in order to remain uninfluenced.
+Princess Bubblegum To be perfectly honest, this was theorized for so fucking long that its not a twist anymore ... everyone, even the TV viewers know that its true. I'd be more interested if lets say R + L = J is not true and Ashara Dayne is Jon's mother for example. Now that would be a twist no one saw coming.
+vasil1406 true, I agree. Every time a theorie turns out to be true it kinda kills that surprise moment and it turns out to be boring because everyone "knew". For example Jon came back *didn't see that coming at all lol*
It does make sense , i mean why make such a development and a vast story and view points about a character who could have just been a random , why explore him and give him a major role eh?
***** you're gonna do a winterfell history, nice! Just like i've ask you, i hope your gonna talk about the ice dragon story and the what i think is to be Winterfell.
you are forgetting Rheagar hated to kill people and loved to sing, I believe him and Lyanna Stark ran away together hoping to get away from the houses politics and were in love together so they decided to leave and start a life together they were star cross lovers doomed because of their families politics and marriages.I mean why else would Rheagar leave Lyanna in a pool of blood protected by kings guards no in reality she was pregnant with his child and Rheagar hoped to win the war and live happily with Lyanna for his life but Lyanna died in childbirth being the mother of technically Jon Targaryen and Rheagar was slain in battle.
anyway lets be honest the martells aren't even gonna survive beyond season 6 and the only cool character among the martells is oberyn but hes been dead for a while now fuck the martells the only thing important right now is who will take down lord ramsay Bolton and when john Targaryen will become azor ahai since hes already been resurrected
they are gonna get smoked out by Jamie Lannister because I feel like he will become a better swordsman then he ever was however I hope he kills the mountain hes an asshole for raping oberyns sister
If HBO were to do a flashback with Lyanna Stark, I really want Lily Collins to be cast as her. Not just because I have a massive crush on Lily, but because she looks the part and I could see her actually play the part.
Carlisle the Cinephile Agree with you there, I dont know anything about Katie McGrath, but in a google images search of Lyanna Stark, the pictures of the actress you mentioned are the most accurate of how I imagined her
I always thought the "promise me" was actually about keeping Jon's identity a secret (presumably to protect him from Robert), because I feel like that's the only reason that he wouldn't even tell Cat
+Maddie Hayman Ned was a man of honor, so I feel that's almost what his promise was implied to be; "promise me you'll keep him safe". That could very well mean by any means necessary, so that would include not telling anyone his true identity and raising him up as his own. That's why he was so unyielding towards Cat when it came to Jon and keeping him with their children and raising him under the guise of his bastard child from war and not as his nephew. It makes sense only because we can't see Ned slighting Cat for some chick he met while fighting in the rebellion.
Ive never read much into r+l=j, but the basic principles of the conspiracy seems to flow right up Ned's honorable ass lol It reeks of Martin mystery and makes entirely too much sense from his writing style. Ned is too noble to see more children murdered than he can prevent and i think that he would sacrifice his honor (like has done on multiple and ultimate occasions) to protect the life of an innocent. I feel there are reasons that Martin made him such a purely good character and that we have seen the compounding after affects of the lack of Ned and his undying influence in the hearts of all around the ASOIAF world. Hell, the whole story sparks off of this man's death and he obviously had more to do with the plot than just being a really good dad. For me it's Ned+Jimeny Cricket= a giant Martin twist and a well swaddled royal babe lol. (Isn't it fun speculating like this? lol)
well you know how Martin is, I think its just a lot of nonsense and Ned's coverign for Robert. Robert is the father.. In the part of the book that talks about another couple IE that Jaime Lannister AND not Robert was the father of the kids that Jaime and Cersei had together.. it sorta lets you assume that Jon Snow looked like not a Targarian but rather a Barathian. I might be wrong, but that's my take. It was something about eye color of Barathian's vs Starks. But maybe I misremember that in the first book which I havent re-read in awhile, Ive read it twice so far.. details are sketchy over every detail then . On the show of course they also pointed at Black hair vs blond.. Targarian vs Stark vs Barathian. BTW there is also some speculation that Jaime and Cersi were Targarians too, but I dont know they have the golden hair, and such. My ,02 cents worth..and like I said Im not sure if its true or not. Maybe we will never really know
I think what Lyanna meant with "Promise me Ned" is that he would never tell anyone that Jon is part Targaryen. She knew that Robert would kill all the remaining Targaryens so they would probably kill Jon too. I think Ned would've taken care of his nephew anyway so there's no real need for Lyanna to make him promise that. Also, that would be the reason Ned never told anyone, not even his wife, about Jon because he was just honoring his promise.
Yes he can be Lyanna Stark's son. The reason could be that Lyanna had asked Ned to take care of her child. Whenever Catelyn Stark would ask her husband about who is Jon's mother he always scolded her. This has happened many times in the first book too. Maybe Ned didn't wanted her sister's only living child to be killed just because he has Targaryen blood in him.
R + L = J for sure. but I'd like to believe that it was more than a prophecy for Rhaegar. maybe when he went looking for The Knight of the Laughing Tree he found Lyanna, they connected and he lied for her. then sang her a song and crowned her as queen of love and beauty. maybe they even met in the woods at night and plotted their escape. I'd like to think there was love involved, not just prophecy.
Anano Silagadze I think it was love than led to the unfolding of the prophecy. Rhaegar was a romantic-oriented character. And Lyanna, from what I hear, had an independent spirit. She wouldn't let herself get caught up in another man's trap or become a puppet to anyone's scheme, especially when she was already disgruntled by her arrangement with Robert. If Rhaegar really did speak Lyanna's name on his last breath, then that's more proof he loved her and wasn't thinking about 3-headed dragons. For me, I think love led Rhaegar to Lyanna first. I don't think he was thinking about the prophecy at all with Lyanna since he had Elia already providing him children. But when Rhaegar discovers Lyanna is pregnant? He sees that as a sign related to the prophecy. Suddenly, it all becomes clear to him: the 'ice' aspect of the story. This would make sense because a) most prophecies occur naturally and not forced b) Lyanna is described as an independent spirit. She desired freedom and had a lust for life, so she wouldn't bound herself to a specific path or willingly become a vessel. On the other hand, her character is the type to freely love, make love with the man she loved, and get pregnant with a love-child, LOL. Of course, that's just my opinion. Perhaps Rhaegar had an agenda all along. But I'd like to believe he discovered the answer to his questions when love led the way for him.
Anano Silagadze thats the most likely version of how the events went. Rhaegar crowning her at the end of the tourney can then be explained as an act of paying her respect and honor since thats the only way a woman can be honored in a tourney. Rhaegar was said to be extremely fond and respectful of his wife Elia and he considered her a confidant..i cant see him disrespecting his pregnant wife just because Lyanna was pretty..
basboosa you forget Elia was from Dorn, A place more understanding and loose about affairs of the heart. However, If you go to the RADIO WESTEROS channel and listen to their episode of R+L=J There have a very interesting theory about how where, why and how Rhaegar and Lyanna connected up after the tourney. It's a theory I had not thought of but is possible.
omg so what if Lyanna was the knight of the Laughing Tree and Rhaegar did catch her but just let her go and lied to his father saying he only found the shield. #bondingR+L
***** they should be allies. Also, the talk about her marrying someone made me think. Jon is the best option she has right now. LF should not be trusted, Jamie is the enemy, Robert Arryn is a little shit, and Theon doesn't have a dick. Jon is now King in the North, has huge influence over the lords and the wildings, as well as connections on the wall. I'm interested to see how that goes.
+tater todd Not just that, they're Targaryens. Targaryens marry brother to sister all the time. So aunt and nephew wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary.
If Jon is the Prince that is Promised, or even a Targaryen, they would need an amazing reveal. It would have to be on par with Daenerys reveal of the birth of the Dragons. I would say, they have him on a stake to be burned alive, and well.... He doesn't burn. That would give us a very strong clue that he has Dragon blood.
kleptokiddo I mean, I hope s too, but I just don't think GRRM will bring back a dead character. He's sick of this habit in other forms of stories (like comic books) and says that he'll "never make that mistake". But then again there's LSH.
sina chiniforoush We don't know for sure that he is actually dead. All the hints are there and they're very convincing but it's possible that all he'll get are superficial wounds or non-fatal stab wounds or Ghost saves the day etc. W/o his POV we wouldn't know what was going on at the Wall.
Jon Snow has GOT to be Lyanna's son. It makes too much sense. And I believe that, despite no characters being safe, I firmly believe that Jon, Danny, and Tyrion are the most important characters, will have a direct impact on the overall "good vs evil" plot line, and will survive.
--- SPOILERS --- I'm probably wrong, but what if Jon Snow is the prince who was promised? 1) "I will require a sword and armour" okay, so the prince uses a sword, sure, a lot of people in GoT do so that doesn't help... 2) "The song of ice and fire" The tower of joy thing suggest Jon is half Stark (ice) and half Targaryen (fire) 3) "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers" maybe that bit talks about Mellisandre losing hope after Jon dies? 4) "Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt" okay, he was resurrected in season 6. Smoke from the fire, but I'm not sure where the salt fits in. Maybe the Smoke and Salt refers to the different groups there at the time? 5) "Prophecy is like a half-trained mule. It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head" "The dragon must have three heads … but I am too old to be one of them. I should be with her, showing her the way, but my body has betrayed me." maybe this bit is talking about Danaerys? It suggests that it might be two prophecies. Although, I'd still love it if Danaerys is the Prince. If anybody sees a flaw in this or has something to add please comment! I'm not great remembering stuff from books or T.V. shows so something in there might be wrong, and I had to use Wikipedia to get parts of the prophecy. :3
*SPOILERS* I love how in episode five when master Amen was talk about how sad it is to have a Targaryen alone in the world and then Jon Snow walks into the room like right after he says it. I think the show is totally pro L+R=J
When Daenerys was in the House of Undying she also saw a vision of a blue winter rose blooming in the middle of a frozen wall. I think this is GRRM's way of saying Jon is definitely Lyanna's son.
For Q&A : If Danereys has these visions of Jon Snow being the Son of Lyaana then will she consider it to be real and feel threatened about her chance on the Throne?
Rishikesh Kulkarni she could just marry Jon and rule as queen with him ruling in the north. Her visions about Jon were metaphorical, a winter rose growing in an ice wall. She never saw Jon himself or Lyanna.
smartmouth4444 Yep if the theory is true then Danny would be Jon's aunt. Except they wouldn't produce heirs to throne if they married, because she can't have children
Rishikesh Kulkarni no.. Dany wants to go to Westeros to avenge her family and bring back the Targ name to the top. her dream is not to sit on the iron throne but to find a place that she can call home. this was pretty clearly indicated in the books and the show hinted at it when the House of the Undying tested her desires by showing her a vision of the iron throne which she turned away from when she heard her dragons. she also believes that she wont be able to have any children so she will most likely welcome the idea of Jon as her heir or co-ruler if she survives the fight with the WW though
maya if the show sticks to the books then Dany will need to birth a living child because she had a prophesy telling her that she wont die until sher births a living child
***** no the episode is not called "Tower of Joy", but "Oarthbreaker". And there will be a vision of young Ned fighting Arthur Dayne. Oathbreaker, as in Ned broke the oath he gave his king Robert (he wanted all those with Targaryen blood dead) and let Jon live. Promise me Ned. I guess its sister before bro 😄
***** yeah, and young Lyanna casting was dead on. She looked like a female version of Jon. I freaked out when I saw her. Why would they cast her in 6x02 and then in 6x03 have a Tower o Joy vision. 1st episode "the Red Woman" opened with Jon and Melissandre, the 2nd "Home" opened with Winterfell and the Stark children and then the Nights watch with Jon, now 3rd episode "Oathbreaker" I'm 90% sure it will open with Bran having a vision of Ned breaking his oath and Lyanna dying with baby Jon in her arms, lookin' with those pretty brown eyes and then back at Castle Black it will show Jon eyes opened and him rising from the table
I thought I remembered Melisandre talking about how she needed to get with those with the blood of kings to make a shade. If this is true, then that would mean that Jon Snow has the blood of a king. Which means he would be either Robert or Rhaegar's son. With his black hair I would think that would point more towards Robert. But if what this video says about Lyanna's feelings for Robert is true, then maybe not. I could see Ned wanting to hide Jon's lineage in either case.
***** Also, Lyanna would have had to have been pregnant for over a year for Robert to be Jon's father. And that's even if they ever had sex, which is highly unlikely.
***** if he was Robert's son then there would have been no reason for Ned to hide him from Robert. Robert would have declared him his heir immediately and lavished him with affection considering he was Lyanna's boy.
basboosa I doubt it. Robert had other kids and didn't seem to care. I think Ned would have hid him from the Lannisters to protect his nephew from the Lannisters.
***** Actually Robert looked after the bastards he knew about. He even openly acknowledged one- Edric Storm, who lived at Storm's End. And why would Ned or anyone feel the need to protect Robert's bastard from the Lannisters? The massacre of the Robert's bastards happened AFTER Robert's death, and it was in direct response to the "rumors" about Joffrey's illegitimacy spreading. And it occurred only in the Crownlands, not in all of Westeros. During Robert's reign, however, why would anyone ever see the Lannisters as a threat to Robert's bastards? At that point the Lannisters weren't considered to be THE "bad guys" except for maybe the residents of King's Landing and the Martells, but that was for entirely different reasons. Neither Cersei nor Joffrey had any real power when Robert lived, and I doubt Tywin would go hunting Robert's bastard in the North, which is well beyond his feudal tenure and rule. That would have started another civil war, and I doubt Tywin would cared anyway. So no, Ned would have no real reason to hide Jon's identity if he were Robert's child, which he's definitely not. That theory has been thoroughly debunked.
I really enjoyed you reviews. They add to the shows accounts each week. I haven't read the book and I enjoy your reviews. I believe in the final show, they will bring the others together and leave us in awe for the next season. Been watching since the beginning, but missed some shows. The reviews are needed. THANKS!!!
I think Melisandre sensed that he has royal blood ties stronger than that of Stannis, that and the postive portraying of Rhaegar from different characters, Littlefinger and Ser Barristan. Makes me think that the show is heading the R + L = J direction. Maybe the'yll show us Rhaegar and Lyanna through a vision Bran haves, at the end of the season.
Petter langstrand Jon is also the brother of the late King Robb, also the Starks were Kings for thousands of years, only the past 300 years were they just lords.
per sebra Yea, with all the "king of the north" business around Robb, I had wondered if that whole King declaration still held up true for the Starks family, especially with Sansa turning up and the people realizing she's alive after all. I'm kinda annoyed the show never touches on the 'king of the north' thing again. Sansa herself can only gain the 'Wardess' position instead of Queen. Did that Stark King declaration suddenly become void after Robb's death? That aside, Jon would definitely be a runner-up for the King of the North position (perhaps more so than Sansa since back in the Kingdom days sons > daughters). Even if he were a 'bastard', that 'seed is strong' Bartheon talk in Season 1 proves even bastard sons can serve as legitimate heirs if no other candidate is available.
dantespimp I guess yes, especially with Bran and Rickard considered officially dead. The nobles who declared Robb"king of the north" are nearly all dead or declared for Tommen or Stannish. All the riverlands lords have declared for Tommen, The battle of Ice will decide if Stannish gets any followers in the North. Even a loyal follower like Manderly openly is for Tommen is secretly willing to bend the knee to Stannish if Davos can find Rickard.and his wolf. So there is no King of the North at the moment. According to Lady Dustin in the book, Roose Bolton's long term secret plan is to make himself King of the North,
gimpinmypants But Melisandre saw him being a man, then a wolf, and then a man again, and there was a mention of "Ghost" when the stuff about "FOR THE WATCH" happened...
Charlie, good job in picking Lilly Collins as Lyanna Stark! I have always thought she would look like her. She's gorgeous for sure. Thanks for all the research you have done. I always go to your channel for more info about Game of Thrones as most back stories of characters are not fully explained in the show. It's a good thing you compare the show to what happens in the books. Great Job! I always recommend your youtube channel to my GOT fan friends when they ask me where do I get my info when I am telling them GOT back stories I got from your channel. :)
Thank You, That was one of the most complete recounting of Lyanna Stark Ive seen. A flashback to Ned's Tower of Joy arrival would be a good way to cement that storyline in the show, kinda help the non-book readers.
+Palac Chhabra she is not the youngest: 1-Brandon 2-Ned 3-Lyanna 4-Benjen... Lyana is like 4 years younger than Ned, she was 14 at the Tourney of Harrenhall while Ned was 18. She died at the age of 16.
+Palac Chhabra Physiologically, it's actually realistic. Maybe you notice with children at around 6-12 years old: girls grow up faster than boys and are usually taller than boys their age. It's only around 14-16 when boys shoot up in height. This is because girls develop secondary sex characteristics before 12 (menstruation etc.) and their hormones are at an all time high.
+Sim Calinares Actually, all of the younger characters are MUCH younger in the book than the actors in the show. Sansa for example was 11, Rob and Jon were 14, etc. That would have been normal in medieval society, but there is no way they could have real actors playing those sorts of roles in the TV series.
I really hope Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna and the last dragon prince, it would make since as to why Ned never told Jon the truth, it was too dangerous to be the last of the Targaryen and Robert as the new king would have killed Jon on the spot if he found out
+ana brown Yup. Prince Rhaegar, Jaime Lannister, Robert Baratheon and Ned Stark were only late teens when the Targaryens were overthrown, and Dany was just a baby. They would've been in the their mid-30s by the time of Season One. The show cast everyone 5-10 years older.
Tugela60 Eww, no please! Can't take any more incest. Cersie & Jaime are more than enough. 😝 And Jon's dead. So, even if he he's resurrected, won't he be a white walker?
+Tugela60 The family has a history of marrying siblings TO secure their recessive traits of white hair and blue eyes. No point in doing so with me. And who will force us to get married. Why would we even want to get married? Absolutely no reason.
"Bran Stark on the show right now actually does get a picture, like an actual look at Lyanna Stark, he sees a girl that looks like Arya" WHAT ???? could someone please tell me when this happened, I have no recollection of a girl of any description in his vision.
***** Now two children danced across the godswood, hooting at one another as they dueled with broken branches. The girl was the older and taller of the two. Arya! Bran thought eagerly, as he watched her leap up onto a rock and cut at the boy. But that couldn't be right. If the girl was Arya, the boy was Bran himself, and he had never worn his hair so long. And Arya never beat me playing swords, the way that girl is beating him. She slashed the boy across his thigh, so hard that his leg went out from under him and he fell into the pool and began to splash and shout. "You be quiet, stupid," the girl said, tossing her own branch aside. "It's just water. Do you want Old Nan to hear and run tell Father?" She knelt and pulled her brother from the pool, but before she got him out again, the two of them were gone. ~ A Dance with Dragons - Bran III
Brainspace Showcase That's weird, Lyanna was the youngest, but it clearly says in that verse that the girl was older and taller. I've only just noticed that, are we sure it's Lyanna?
Hi Charlie, love your uploads. I truly think that I've seen all the shows you've reviewed. Great job in doing so. Keep up the good work. I really hope they do a "Tower of Joy" flashback through the eyes of Howland Reed… Wouldn’t that be something?!
People theorise that the Stark gene is more dominant than the Targaryean gene hence why Jon has dark hair and isn't more immune to fire. There were also Targaryean bastards such as the Blackfyres who didn't have silver hair.
Can you do a history episode on old Valyria please? The ruins just looked awesome and I can only imagine the terror that took place there was incredible! Thanks! Keep up the good work!
The whole ''two lovers running ways plot'' seems unrealistic and full of plot holes. I cringe at theories romanticizing Lyanna kidnaping. So she had her doubts about Robert because of his man whoring ways, but she desided to run away with another manwhore, married at that? I doubt she was so selfish to run away like that knowing what will happen to her family, because she for sure knew that they wont stay in Winterfell and do nothing. And if Rhaegar loved her then why did he locked her away from everything? Letting her give birth alone/ or letting her die alone after giving birth? Not to mention the mad king killing her brother and father. And as far as i know Rhaegar was unhappy with Elia because she was unable to give birth to a 3rd son, not because he didn't love her. Or at least at the surface Rhaegar treated Elia with love and utmost respect. But i'm not fully denying the theory that Rhaegar might have used Lyanna(or potentially her feeling for him) to fulfil the prophecy. I just don't see the whole romantic angle ever being justified.
I wholeheartly believe in R+L=J And another thing, about the prince(ss) that was promised / Azor Ahai : I think the most important line in the prophecy is : The dragon will have three heads. I think, Azor Ahai is not a single person, but three people. My guess : Daenerys, Jon, Tyrion
Well...Escaping with Lyana was iresponsiblle from Rhaegar's side...He knew that move can be dangerous, and yet still he did it...When Baristan Selmy told that Rhaegar loved his Lyana and thousands died cuz it, it was not a poor joke, but a true...so equation is next: R+L=J+15000 deaths ...And yes, Aerys II was catalizator of this equation, but still....My point here was, I just dont like blind romantic persons!!! LOVE WILL WIN ALL and similar shits....My ass will win all!!!So, I am prefering Tywin ways of thinking-Wisdom is the most important quality of, not just kings, but all man. ANd, yes , I had motive to leave this comments because I got pissed of with some romantic fool in my life!
Shakira Daley Yes, I understand that...But, my point was, it was a risky course of actions..Even if that course is motivated with propecy, it was a big risk. Kings, and crowned princes, or any man that have big power and influence cant be counted as standard man. So, u said if Brandon didnt do agressive move, all would be scandal? Rhaegar as heir of the throne must avoid any scandal that have, even small possibility to lead to desastour, and runing away with fionce of high lord of Baratheon had nice chance to lead, well if not in total disaster than to Baratheons fury... I agree, they are not fully responsiblle for war..if Aerys was better king, he could ignore Brandon, or just imprisone him for some time until he found Rhaegar...But,Rhaegar knew he had mad father, he knew that the Targaryen house became huge unpopular during his father reign, and again he took the risk to escape with, not a common woman, but a highborn lady that is prommised to another highborn son...Westeros is something like medival age society, so, in the spirit of that time, it was stupid, inresponsiblle to run away with Lyana...even if he was motived with the propecy....Risking so much because passion or because some propecy that you cant know it is true( I know in this case, it is true, but ofc Rhaegar just gambe, because in his time there werent evidence of white walkers yet)...so my point was- It is iresponsibble behave from inteligent man...ok? :D
Shakira Daley And yes, Robert Baratheon would exist if Rhaella Targayen didnt marriege to Ormund Baratheon( Grandpa of Robert)..did u know why Rhaella maried him? Because one son of Aegon V , think Duncan Targaryen, didnt want to marry some Baratheon girl, and instead he escape with some other woman of lowbirth...consuence was crisis that could easily lead to rebelion of Baratheons... Crisis resolved when Duncal the tall won some Baratheon chalenger, and when Rhaelle married Ormund... See, Rhaegar like to read history, he could learn from this exaple of his great-aunt that, in serious bussiness or rulling we must not be motivated with passion... If Rhaegar was some peasent , he could marry some other peasent girl, and no one carres...like his great grandfather Aegon V, he was forth son of forth son( MAekar Targaryen) so he could marry according his passion..But Rhaegar was heir of the throne!! And, like I said before, this is medival age time...It was more brutal time than these ,,democratic" time...I hope u can understand my arguments now
Shakira Daley Marriege of Rhaegar with Aelia MArtell was , offcourse, political one... And it was a good match, Martells were one of the stronges houses in 7kingdoms...So, maybe , you didnt understand me... From Rhaegar, like heir of the throne is expected to have some highborn wife, to strenghern the ties of great houses and to bring power and piece ro realm doing so. So, heirs of the throne in medival ages schould not , or even must not marry for love, but for policy...Royall marrieges was standard piece of policy of that time...And, yes, maybe Aerys liked that Rhaegar is not satisfie with Aelia, just because Aerys vanity or spite, but, in fact, union with Martells was a good political move! But escaping with Lyana wasnt good political move... If he had much passion with Lyana , he could try to be her lover, and to hide that.If he wanted a child for propecy, again he could do that in secret and quickly... But escaping for half of the year with Baratheons fionce, and let that your escaping be noticed and descovered was stupid...And yes I agree, far less stupid than Brandon Starks reactions, or far more less mad than all decisions of Aerys II, but still escaping was stupid and iresponssible move...If u cant agree with these arguments, it s ok...everyone have rights to think with his own head...And, yes,I must empasize, I am aware that Rhaegar is far more better man than Aerys, Brandon, and Robert combined, but just one stupid move from him started chain of events that lead to chatastrophe...And it is that in real life...you can have good intentions, you can think that you are doing good, but 1 terrible move can cost a lot...and if u are king or prince that cost will not affect, just your personal life,but the whole realm, cuz actions and words of powerfull man are far more louder than of the commoners...
Shakira Daley Eh, take out they escape and no war aswell, at least not in that time and in that way... I have ridden books, thats why I know things about Aegon V I wrought about it..well that book has name World of ice and fire-history. I never denied that Brandon and Aerys is guilty, but Rhaegar must share part of guilt aswell...Yes, maybe the smalest part, but that part of his guilt is less forgivable to me because unlike Aerys, Rhaegar wasnt mad, and unlike Brandon, Rhaegar wasnt huge temperamental man.Rhaegar was nbole and clever, so he must knew that escaping can backfire terrible, as it did. And about third child for propecy, yes Elia couldnt produce it, but, he can be a secret lover of Lyana, and make her child in secret...Or if that is not elegant way, he could find some other lover than Lyana.Or if it must be Lyana for propecy, he could make a child with her and go back to normal life,Pregnant Lyana couldnt marry with Robert, because in Medival time something like that would be enough to break engage with Robert and Lyana...So, after that breaking, Lyana would be free to be Rhaegars lover. You said it was not big deal their escaping.I cant agree with that. Ofcourse that escaping is not at will to Robert Baratheon and Starks. And they are major houses of kingdom.So provoke major houses in that way is not just inocent escaping, it s a huge risk, and stupid move after all....And that was my point...So that escape is far more than "not a big deal"...it is insult to house Baratheon and insult to house Stark, and only a bad king would insult his most powerfull vasals and subjects...
Bob S Smh, I have to explain this everywhere I go: Targaryens married their children to each other TO KEEP THEIR RARE, RECESSIVE TRAITS. Me marrying Danaerys would totally defeat that purpose. So we WILL know
+Jon Snow No, they married family because since the Doom of Valriya, their magic was lost. Their blood contained the magic, so they married their family to get their blood as pure as possible so they can control their dragons, not for their looks 😂.
CMLZ YT No, I'm pretty sure they did not do it because their blood contained "the magic", it wasn't that specific. They did it to keep their blood pure, generally. Them repeating that they have "dragon's blood" is a type of propaganda. No, they do not have this so called "dragon's blood". No they did not use their blood to control their dragons. It was a type of propaganda in Westeros to make themselves look other worldly. In fact, back in Essos, it was a common thing to possess and ride dragons, not just by Targaryens. It's a figure of speech. Them imbreeding has much more to do with keeping their unique features [compared to those in Westeros] Go figure: www.quora.com/What-specials-powers-traits-do-the-Targaryens-possess And shove that laughing emoji up your ass.
+Jon Snow Damn why are you being so rude? Never said they have dragons blood, they have Valriyan Blood, Valriya was a magical city. That woulr explain Melissandre's obssession with "Kings Blood", she uses kings blood for her spells, she uses the Baratheons because Baratheons have Targaryen anestory.
I just wanted to say that I have watched alot of these videos explaining this situation sober and I was still confused. But I am pretty drunk right now and understood every word of what you said. So, thank you very much and I look forward to seeing more of your content!
It has never made sense for Jon to be Ned's. I think his sense of honor would not allow him to have an affair. Not that he loved Caitlin, just that it was his duty to be faithful. Something would really have to be important to get to lie about Jon. When I first watched the show I mistakenly thought that Jon was Benjen's. But then I read the book and believe it's more likely R + L = J. I don't put it past GRRM to have another idea.
I love you Charlie! I'm sure you could be different in real life. But you seem to be a very merry go lucky fellow. Listening to you brings me much joy.
sorry to say but for Indian history repeated in every 500 year or so .starting from Aryan invasion to British invasion ,every time they rebuild India to the point of richest nation and then they get attacked and then again they rebuild it and process goes on .India has experienced 7 such cycle in last 4000 year with every time they becoming richest nation in this world again and again .they are currently in 7 th cycle of rebuilding after British invasion
Uuuugh! i really wish they would do that part in the series!!!!!!! I haven't read the books but i am familiar with the Jon Snow theory. it would be amazing to cast lily collins too cuz she's my favorite actress. This would be so perfect. Great vid as usual Charley!
If they were to ever make a full length theatrical game of thrones movie i think the Rhaegar targaryen backstory would be amazing on screen. I could even see someone like Chris Hemsworth taking his role
My theory is that the night's watch will try to burn Jon's body (along with his sword) to prevent his corpse from being a white walker. The lord of light (fire) and/or melissandre will bring jon back to life while this happens. Jon will rise (unburned) from the fire and bring out his flaming sword (lightbringer).
Lyanna was Knight of the Laughing Tree (she did beat three knights, not squires, knights were told to punish their squires) and Rhaegar found her, not only shield. That was their first meeting, and we know she liked him before, cause of his song. That's why he crowned her later. It's just matches. He didn't kidnap her, I think she went with him. The problem was, she was promised and he was married.
The foreshadowing of Jon's parentage is subtle but effective in the books. In the show it was almost spelled out with the contrast of Lyanna's tomb vs Ned telling Jon "you have my blood". NOT "you are my son"! I'm also convinced Jon is Azor Ahai, but that's for another episode.
IIRC in A Dance with Dragon there's a flashback that explains what Rhaegar tought to do after he defeated Robert, which basically was depose his mad father and rule as king ("change things"). This was actually something Rahegar had planned for quite some time, making friends of strong houese and making a name for himself, while his father was growing madder and madder and his reputation shrinking even more. Yet Aerys was jealous of his son and Varys probably gave him information on what Rahegar planned. So Aerys went to the turney at Harrendal (despite having been sealed inside the red keep for years for fear of assassination attempts until then) and ordered his son to discover who the knight of the smiling tree was as a slight, and he rejoiced when he failed. Another important thing to remember is that at this point Aerys was paranoid to a dangerous level, something that exploded when he ordered Brandon Stark killed.
Posting my Episode 5 video after it airs tonight :)
***** Looking forward to it! :) Your videos are the best on TH-cam in my opinion for GOT reviews! How do I enter the book contest too? Keep seeing it pop up in the videos but am unsure what I need to do to take part? :) Big fan from the UK!
***** Awesome !!
***** By the way: Nice hair cut Charlie ! :D
***** I'm so excited about it
***** i think varus is gonna tell danny that jon is her brother..to get her to leave mareene and finally go to westeros..the master of spies HAS to know the truth
The song=Jon Ice=Lyanna Fire=Rhaegar. Jon is the song of ice and fire.
Yup, you have it there, since we also know that his father loved to sing.
alfie hagan Okay, so I see this a lot, and yes, it makes sense, but do you think GRRM would write this massive universe to focus on one character? No! The books aren't about any one character. It's about the relationship about two seemingly opposing forces. Neither of the forces are bad, as in fire isn't bad, nor is ice and neither of the forces are good, fire isn't good, neither is ice.
CallMe Steve Good point.
alfie hagan /Puts on tinfoil hat. Also, Darkstar is Neds bastard. He banged Ashara when he went to Starfall to give back her dead brothers sword.
Lucky Berserker you are trolling right? XD
Charlie....we would be absolutely LOST without all of the hard work you do to bring your AWESOME videos to us! Much appreciation! Thank YOU!
***** thanks :)
***** I think Tammy secretly wants you to do recaps of Lost.
Haha....naw, never been a fan of "Lost". Just a HUGE fan of GoT and everything "Star Wars". :D
Michael Lagace I would be totally into Charlie doing a huge episode of all the Lost's mysteries and theories.
Nibras Karim Oh, I wouldn't. I'd hate for him to waste that much time on something so (seemingly) pointless.
This episode was probably my favorite in this season so far. I'm so glad you upload these videos to watch afterwards!!
joker joly youtube I hope he does something badass like chop off his own arm or something. If he is going to die let him die fighting for every last breath like a knight should.
joker joly youtube spoiler alert: in book 11 winter has finally came, dany goes to westoro's with a group of solider's of greyscale zombies.
DarkBioCloud Bit of a shame he's not still riding with the khalasar. The Dothraki would fix that right up.
nichst100
Yeah but it wouldn't really be the same. There is just something about having the stones to chop off your own limb. Sure someone else could do it for you and get the same result but in the end it just means you were too weak to do it yourself.
There would be plenty of power in stoicly demanding it be done. And it being done with an arakh.
"A Targaryen Alone in the World is a Terrible Thing"
Did anyone else Notice that when Maester Aemon said that, John walks in on his conversation with Sam? Seemed like it was a reference ....
I have this feeling GRRM is watching and reading all these theories on the internet and writing the completely opposite just to fuck us all up
I wouldn't be suprised, but he has said that some fans actually guessed the way it ends and he is not going to change it.
He said he was tempted to do just that once, many years ago, but he then realised it would have been unfair to have left so many clues that lead to a certain direction and then just change all of it just because someone guessed it right. Since then, he doesn't read Fan Theories in order to remain uninfluenced.
+Princess Bubblegum Assuming he's writing anything at all, after dangling that particular carrot for the last 5 years - the fat fuck.
+Princess Bubblegum To be perfectly honest, this was theorized for so fucking long that its not a twist anymore ... everyone, even the TV viewers know that its true. I'd be more interested if lets say R + L = J is not true and Ashara Dayne is Jon's mother for example. Now that would be a twist no one saw coming.
+vasil1406 true, I agree. Every time a theorie turns out to be true it kinda kills that surprise moment and it turns out to be boring because everyone "knew". For example Jon came back *didn't see that coming at all lol*
Great episode tonight! R+L=J forever. I believe in Jon Snow.
schuyler brynn :)
It does make sense , i mean why make such a development and a vast story and view points about a character who could have just been a random , why explore him and give him a major role eh?
***** you're gonna do a winterfell history, nice!
Just like i've ask you, i hope your gonna talk about the ice dragon story and the what i think is to be Winterfell.
schuyler brynn Jon Stargaryen!
MrDiecast69 He's already done a history of Winterfell video
Dont forget Benjen stark! Damn everyone forgets him but im sure he'll shown up again before the end.
Coldhands...
***** Benjen stark comes out the woods like sophia walking out the barn on Walking dead
I stand corrected.
GetScaredGaming benjen is obviously a face changer and is hodor
MercuriallyStatic Disproved
Anyone else watched the first 4 episodes when they first come out and have been waiting ever since?
***** Yes! The struggle!
Yeah the struggle
***** I had to watch the leaked episodes because I don't have cable. sucks being a college student. :(
All men must wait.
***** maybe HBO leaked them on purpose, like download my show illegally, and u wait 4 weeks on a big cliffhanger bitch
you are forgetting Rheagar hated to kill people and loved to sing, I believe him and Lyanna Stark ran away together hoping to get away from the houses politics and were in love together so they decided to leave and start a life together they were star cross lovers doomed because of their families politics and marriages.I mean why else would Rheagar leave Lyanna in a pool of blood protected by kings guards no in reality she was pregnant with his child and Rheagar hoped to win the war and live happily with Lyanna for his life but Lyanna died in childbirth being the mother of technically Jon Targaryen and Rheagar was slain in battle.
Oberyn : Then what about my sister...ELIA MARTELL
+Ganesh Kumar Elia could have consented.
anyway lets be honest the martells aren't even gonna survive beyond season 6 and the only cool character among the martells is oberyn but hes been dead for a while now fuck the martells the only thing important right now is who will take down lord ramsay Bolton and when john Targaryen will become azor ahai since hes already been resurrected
they are gonna get smoked out by Jamie Lannister because I feel like he will become a better swordsman then he ever was however I hope he kills the mountain hes an asshole for raping oberyns sister
its jon snow, we don't know if he's a targaryen yet.
i like how you use lily collins to portray Lyanna xD
Thanks man...was looking for the name of her ;)
she ugly
She's perfect for Lyanna!
If HBO were to do a flashback with Lyanna Stark, I really want Lily Collins to be cast as her. Not just because I have a massive crush on Lily, but because she looks the part and I could see her actually play the part.
Noel Aranda I think Katie McGrath would be better
Noel Aranda Absolutly! You could even get people to say, there is an similarity between Arya and Lyanna.
PS: R+L=J !!!!
Creterix nah, rosie odonnel would
Noel Aranda Yup, + that eyebrows are similar to Maisie's
Noel Aranda Personally I recommend Gemma Arteton (I think that's how you spell her last name)
Jon is 100% Rhaegar and Lyanna's child. No doubt in my mind.
I always envisioned Katie McGrath playing Lyanna Stark.
Carlisle the Cinephile Me too 100% He used her picture last week. Changed this week for some reason lol
Carlisle the Cinephile Agree with you there, I dont know anything about Katie McGrath, but in a google images search of Lyanna Stark, the pictures of the actress you mentioned are the most accurate of how I imagined her
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Carlisle the Cinephile OMG YOU'RE SO RIGHT
you must talk to Nina Gold NOW
Carlisle the Cinephile How about Kaya Scodelario?
I always thought the "promise me" was actually about keeping Jon's identity a secret (presumably to protect him from Robert), because I feel like that's the only reason that he wouldn't even tell Cat
+Maddie Hayman Ned was a man of honor, so I feel that's almost what his promise was implied to be; "promise me you'll keep him safe". That could very well mean by any means necessary, so that would include not telling anyone his true identity and raising him up as his own. That's why he was so unyielding towards Cat when it came to Jon and keeping him with their children and raising him under the guise of his bastard child from war and not as his nephew. It makes sense only because we can't see Ned slighting Cat for some chick he met while fighting in the rebellion.
Ive never read much into r+l=j, but the basic principles of the conspiracy seems to flow right up Ned's honorable ass lol It reeks of Martin mystery and makes entirely too much sense from his writing style. Ned is too noble to see more children murdered than he can prevent and i think that he would sacrifice his honor (like has done on multiple and ultimate occasions) to protect the life of an innocent. I feel there are reasons that Martin made him such a purely good character and that we have seen the compounding after affects of the lack of Ned and his undying influence in the hearts of all around the ASOIAF world. Hell, the whole story sparks off of this man's death and he obviously had more to do with the plot than just being a really good dad. For me it's Ned+Jimeny Cricket= a giant Martin twist and a well swaddled royal babe lol.
(Isn't it fun speculating like this? lol)
that is what I was thinking too! boom you nailed that shit!!!!!!💣
well you know how Martin is, I think its just a lot of nonsense and Ned's coverign for Robert. Robert is the father.. In the part of the book that talks about another couple IE that Jaime Lannister AND not Robert was the father of the kids that Jaime and Cersei had together.. it sorta lets you assume that Jon Snow looked like not a Targarian but rather a Barathian. I might be wrong, but that's my take. It was something about eye color of Barathian's vs Starks. But maybe I misremember that in the first book which I havent re-read in awhile, Ive read it twice so far.. details are sketchy over every detail then . On the show of course they also pointed at Black hair vs blond.. Targarian vs Stark vs Barathian. BTW there is also some speculation that Jaime and Cersi were Targarians too, but I dont know they have the golden hair, and such. My ,02 cents worth..and like I said Im not sure if its true or not. Maybe we will never really know
It's said more than a few times that Jon and Arya look more like Starks than any of the other children.
I think what Lyanna meant with "Promise me Ned" is that he would never tell anyone that Jon is part Targaryen. She knew that Robert would kill all the remaining Targaryens so they would probably kill Jon too.
I think Ned would've taken care of his nephew anyway so there's no real need for Lyanna to make him promise that. Also, that would be the reason Ned never told anyone, not even his wife, about Jon because he was just honoring his promise.
Yes he can be Lyanna Stark's son.
The reason could be that Lyanna had asked Ned to take care of her child.
Whenever Catelyn Stark would ask her husband about who is Jon's mother he always scolded her. This has happened many times in the first book too.
Maybe Ned didn't wanted her sister's only living child to be killed just because he has Targaryen blood in him.
R + L = J for sure. but I'd like to believe that it was more than a prophecy for Rhaegar. maybe when he went looking for The Knight of the Laughing Tree he found Lyanna, they connected and he lied for her. then sang her a song and crowned her as queen of love and beauty. maybe they even met in the woods at night and plotted their escape. I'd like to think there was love involved, not just prophecy.
Anano Silagadze Agree. I like to think that it was more of a combination of both prophecy and love. They are not mutually exclusive.
Anano Silagadze Yes, He called their hangout the Tower of Joy, and she was most likely the last thing he thought of as he died.
Anano Silagadze I think it was love than led to the unfolding of the prophecy. Rhaegar was a romantic-oriented character. And Lyanna, from what I hear, had an independent spirit. She wouldn't let herself get caught up in another man's trap or become a puppet to anyone's scheme, especially when she was already disgruntled by her arrangement with Robert. If Rhaegar really did speak Lyanna's name on his last breath, then that's more proof he loved her and wasn't thinking about 3-headed dragons.
For me, I think love led Rhaegar to Lyanna first. I don't think he was thinking about the prophecy at all with Lyanna since he had Elia already providing him children. But when Rhaegar discovers Lyanna is pregnant? He sees that as a sign related to the prophecy. Suddenly, it all becomes clear to him: the 'ice' aspect of the story.
This would make sense because a) most prophecies occur naturally and not forced b) Lyanna is described as an independent spirit. She desired freedom and had a lust for life, so she wouldn't bound herself to a specific path or willingly become a vessel. On the other hand, her character is the type to freely love, make love with the man she loved, and get pregnant with a love-child, LOL. Of course, that's just my opinion. Perhaps Rhaegar had an agenda all along. But I'd like to believe he discovered the answer to his questions when love led the way for him.
Anano Silagadze thats the most likely version of how the events went. Rhaegar crowning her at the end of the tourney can then be explained as an act of paying her respect and honor since thats the only way a woman can be honored in a tourney. Rhaegar was said to be extremely fond and respectful of his wife Elia and he considered her a confidant..i cant see him disrespecting his pregnant wife just because Lyanna was pretty..
basboosa you forget Elia was from Dorn, A place more understanding and loose about affairs of the heart.
However, If you go to the RADIO WESTEROS channel and listen to their episode of R+L=J
There have a very interesting theory about how where, why and how Rhaegar and Lyanna connected up after the tourney. It's a theory I had not thought of but is possible.
omg so what if Lyanna was the knight of the Laughing Tree and Rhaegar did catch her but just let her go and lied to his father saying he only found the shield. #bondingR+L
It could be!
That's definitely what I believe.
Basic genetics would explain to u why
Man, if R +L = J is not true I'll be so fucking disappointed.
It would be fucking awsome :D
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IT'S 100% CONFIRMED!!!!!!! Yay Jon of House Targaryen, the white wolf, the ressurrected!!
***** they should be allies. Also, the talk about her marrying someone made me think. Jon is the best option she has right now. LF should not be trusted, Jamie is the enemy, Robert Arryn is a little shit, and Theon doesn't have a dick. Jon is now King in the North, has huge influence over the lords and the wildings, as well as connections on the wall. I'm interested to see how that goes.
+tater todd Not just that, they're Targaryens. Targaryens marry brother to sister all the time. So aunt and nephew wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary.
If Jon is the Prince that is Promised, or even a Targaryen, they would need an amazing reveal. It would have to be on par with Daenerys reveal of the birth of the Dragons. I would say, they have him on a stake to be burned alive, and well.... He doesn't burn. That would give us a very strong clue that he has Dragon blood.
Tony Augustine Except Targaryens are not immune to fire. And also the fate of Jon is kinda sealed in the books.
Nicole Oman They might have drogo fly towards him and he somehow say's no and drogo obeys? Idk only the Targaryens had power over dragons
sina chiniforoush I think Jon's fate is implied. Why dangle his parentage for so long only to have it become a non-issue?
kleptokiddo I mean, I hope s too, but I just don't think GRRM will bring back a dead character. He's sick of this habit in other forms of stories (like comic books) and says that he'll "never make that mistake". But then again there's LSH.
sina chiniforoush We don't know for sure that he is actually dead. All the hints are there and they're very convincing but it's possible that all he'll get are superficial wounds or non-fatal stab wounds or Ghost saves the day etc. W/o his POV we wouldn't know what was going on at the Wall.
Jon Snow has GOT to be Lyanna's son. It makes too much sense. And I believe that, despite no characters being safe, I firmly believe that Jon, Danny, and Tyrion are the most important characters, will have a direct impact on the overall "good vs evil" plot line, and will survive.
Jon gets stabbed to death, Dany has immunity until she gets her dragon to westeros until then she's fair game and Tyrian isn't safe YET
you always get me so excited before the episode airs!
***** :)
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I'm probably wrong, but what if Jon Snow is the prince who was promised?
1) "I will require a sword and armour" okay, so the prince uses a sword, sure, a lot of people in GoT do so that doesn't help...
2) "The song of ice and fire" The tower of joy thing suggest Jon is half Stark (ice) and half Targaryen (fire)
3) "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers" maybe that bit talks about Mellisandre losing hope after Jon dies?
4) "Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt" okay, he was resurrected in season 6. Smoke from the fire, but I'm not sure where the salt fits in. Maybe the Smoke and Salt refers to the different groups there at the time?
5) "Prophecy is like a half-trained mule. It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head" "The dragon must have three heads … but I am too old to be one of them. I should be with her, showing her the way, but my body has betrayed me." maybe this bit is talking about Danaerys? It suggests that it might be two prophecies.
Although, I'd still love it if Danaerys is the Prince.
If anybody sees a flaw in this or has something to add please comment! I'm not great remembering stuff from books or T.V. shows so something in there might be wrong, and I had to use Wikipedia to get parts of the prophecy. :3
Thanks everybody ^^
you're probably right it's a very popular theory with alot of hints and evidence :p!
+Elanor Straw what you mean "im probably wrong' one of longest running theories there has beeb lol
In response to 4) Salt= Ser Davos Seaworth?!
Dany was born on water while the boat which carried her mother went in flames.soooooo........ prophecies are fickle
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I love how in episode five when master Amen was talk about how sad it is to have a Targaryen alone in the world and then Jon Snow walks into the room like right after he says it. I think the show is totally pro L+R=J
dude, you mention that Lyanna is related to Brandon and Ned. No love for Benjen
Lyanna Stark = Natalie Portman
Great explanation
Vanesa Garnica Villa thanks!
When Daenerys was in the House of Undying she also saw a vision of a blue winter rose blooming in the middle of a frozen wall. I think this is GRRM's way of saying Jon is definitely Lyanna's son.
Good video :) Remember, The knight of the smiling tree didn't unhorse the squires, but the knights the bullies were squires too.
benjen was actually the youngest of the stark children not lyanna. great breakdown man. love the videos
Yes I believe Jon Snow is a Targaryen'
+KiwiRainberry
So do I, I think that Jon is my favorite character
For Q&A : If Danereys has these visions of Jon Snow being the Son of Lyaana then will she consider it to be real and feel threatened about her chance on the Throne?
Rishikesh Kulkarni she could just marry Jon and rule as queen with him ruling in the north. Her visions about Jon were metaphorical, a winter rose growing in an ice wall. She never saw Jon himself or Lyanna.
SantomPh One problem with that. If this theory is true then Jon is her nephew. We all know Targaryens go tend to go crazy when they are inbreed.
smartmouth4444 Yep if the theory is true then Danny would be Jon's aunt. Except they wouldn't produce heirs to throne if they married, because she can't have children
Rishikesh Kulkarni no.. Dany wants to go to Westeros to avenge her family and bring back the Targ name to the top. her dream is not to sit on the iron throne but to find a place that she can call home. this was pretty clearly indicated in the books and the show hinted at it when the House of the Undying tested her desires by showing her a vision of the iron throne which she turned away from when she heard her dragons. she also believes that she wont be able to have any children so she will most likely welcome the idea of Jon as her heir or co-ruler if she survives the fight with the WW though
maya if the show sticks to the books then Dany will need to birth a living child because she had a prophesy telling her that she wont die until sher births a living child
Much thanks to the videos you bring us, I would be lost, you make us think about things we would have never thought of before
Loved the dragon flying over Valyria and the look on Tyrion's face. Can't wait til Arya comes back.
Tower of Joy next week. It cant be a coincidence Jon comes back 6x02 and 1 episode later Bran has a vision of TOJ.
***** no the episode is not called "Tower of Joy", but "Oarthbreaker". And there will be a vision of young Ned fighting Arthur Dayne. Oathbreaker, as in Ned broke the oath he gave his king Robert (he wanted all those with Targaryen blood dead) and let Jon live. Promise me Ned. I guess its sister before bro 😄
***** Me too. I've been waiting ever since I read ASOIAF for R+L=J to be confirmed. Its been 7 fucking years
***** yeah, and young Lyanna casting was dead on. She looked like a female version of Jon. I freaked out when I saw her. Why would they cast her in 6x02 and then in 6x03 have a Tower o Joy vision. 1st episode "the Red Woman" opened with Jon and Melissandre, the 2nd "Home" opened with Winterfell and the Stark children and then the Nights watch with Jon, now 3rd episode "Oathbreaker" I'm 90% sure it will open with Bran having a vision of Ned breaking his oath and Lyanna dying with baby Jon in her arms, lookin' with those pretty brown eyes and then back at Castle Black it will show Jon eyes opened and him rising from the table
+anycullen21 Today Mel called Jon "The Prince who was Promised." I'm now 99% sure of R+L=J
Jackisaboss1208 the Prince that was promised will be born from Aerys and Rhaellas bloodline, R+L=J will come true
I hope we get a lot of roberts rebellion this season.
I thought I remembered Melisandre talking about how she needed to get with those with the blood of kings to make a shade. If this is true, then that would mean that Jon Snow has the blood of a king. Which means he would be either Robert or Rhaegar's son. With his black hair I would think that would point more towards Robert. But if what this video says about Lyanna's feelings for Robert is true, then maybe not.
I could see Ned wanting to hide Jon's lineage in either case.
***** Also, Lyanna would have had to have been pregnant for over a year for Robert to be Jon's father. And that's even if they ever had sex, which is highly unlikely.
***** if he was Robert's son then there would have been no reason for Ned to hide him from Robert. Robert would have declared him his heir immediately and lavished him with affection considering he was Lyanna's boy.
basboosa I doubt it. Robert had other kids and didn't seem to care. I think Ned would have hid him from the Lannisters to protect his nephew from the Lannisters.
***** Actually Robert looked after the bastards he knew about. He even openly acknowledged one- Edric Storm, who lived at Storm's End. And why would Ned or anyone feel the need to protect Robert's bastard from the Lannisters? The massacre of the Robert's bastards happened AFTER Robert's death, and it was in direct response to the "rumors" about Joffrey's illegitimacy spreading. And it occurred only in the Crownlands, not in all of Westeros. During Robert's reign, however, why would anyone ever see the Lannisters as a threat to Robert's bastards? At that point the Lannisters weren't considered to be THE "bad guys" except for maybe the residents of King's Landing and the Martells, but that was for entirely different reasons. Neither Cersei nor Joffrey had any real power when Robert lived, and I doubt Tywin would go hunting Robert's bastard in the North, which is well beyond his feudal tenure and rule. That would have started another civil war, and I doubt Tywin would cared anyway.
So no, Ned would have no real reason to hide Jon's identity if he were Robert's child, which he's definitely not. That theory has been thoroughly debunked.
I really enjoyed you reviews. They add to the shows accounts each week. I haven't read the book and I enjoy your reviews. I believe in the final show, they will bring the others together and leave us in awe for the next season. Been watching since the beginning, but missed some shows. The reviews are needed. THANKS!!!
Appreciate the great work Charlie! Thanks fir keying us up to date with the latest theories!
I think Melisandre sensed that he has royal blood ties stronger than that of Stannis, that and the postive portraying of Rhaegar from different characters, Littlefinger and Ser Barristan. Makes me think that the show is heading the R + L = J direction. Maybe the'yll show us Rhaegar and Lyanna through a vision Bran haves, at the end of the season.
Petter langstrand Bran is not going to be in this season.
That would be so cool
Petter langstrand Jon is also the brother of the late King Robb, also the Starks were Kings for thousands of years, only the past 300 years were they just lords.
per sebra Yea, with all the "king of the north" business around Robb, I had wondered if that whole King declaration still held up true for the Starks family, especially with Sansa turning up and the people realizing she's alive after all. I'm kinda annoyed the show never touches on the 'king of the north' thing again. Sansa herself can only gain the 'Wardess' position instead of Queen. Did that Stark King declaration suddenly become void after Robb's death?
That aside, Jon would definitely be a runner-up for the King of the North position (perhaps more so than Sansa since back in the Kingdom days sons > daughters). Even if he were a 'bastard', that 'seed is strong' Bartheon talk in Season 1 proves even bastard sons can serve as legitimate heirs if no other candidate is available.
dantespimp I guess yes, especially with Bran and Rickard considered officially dead. The nobles who declared Robb"king of the north" are nearly all dead or declared for Tommen or Stannish. All the riverlands lords have declared for Tommen, The battle of Ice will decide if Stannish gets any followers in the North. Even a loyal follower like Manderly openly is for Tommen is secretly willing to bend the knee to Stannish if Davos can find Rickard.and his wolf. So there is no King of the North at the moment.
According to Lady Dustin in the book, Roose Bolton's long term secret plan is to make himself King of the North,
Is Gendry ever coming back
The series is only up to book 5 I think, so that was an erroneous statement by saying Arya marries Gendry.
Tundra Tress I think it was a joke tbh.
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Yes, I think the show has set Jon Snow up as a very important character. He will live, (he'd better! LOL)
Mandy Cummins Oh my sweet summer child...
qb2795 I got a good chuckle, too.
"FOR THE WATCH!"
qb2795 LOL!! I would legit riot if Jon Died.
Mandy Cummins prepare banners then
gimpinmypants But Melisandre saw him being a man, then a wolf, and then a man again, and there was a mention of "Ghost" when the stuff about "FOR THE WATCH" happened...
Charlie, good job in picking Lilly Collins as Lyanna Stark! I have always thought she would look like her. She's gorgeous for sure. Thanks for all the research you have done. I always go to your channel for more info about Game of Thrones as most back stories of characters are not fully explained in the show. It's a good thing you compare the show to what happens in the books. Great Job! I always recommend your youtube channel to my GOT fan friends when they ask me where do I get my info when I am telling them GOT back stories I got from your channel. :)
Thank You,
That was one of the most complete recounting of Lyanna Stark Ive seen.
A flashback to Ned's Tower of Joy arrival would be a good way to cement that storyline in the show, kinda help the non-book readers.
Mel literally just called Jon The Prince that was Promised. Shiiiiiit
she's also pretty strange, after Stannis died because she thought Stannis was that.
Hey, i watched 6X2 today. Lyanna didn't look like the youngest of the siblings in the flashback, could you explain?
i thought the same thing...she looked older than ned
+Palac Chhabra she is not the youngest: 1-Brandon 2-Ned 3-Lyanna 4-Benjen...
Lyana is like 4 years younger than Ned, she was 14 at the Tourney of Harrenhall while Ned was 18. She died at the age of 16.
+Palac Chhabra Physiologically, it's actually realistic. Maybe you notice with children at around 6-12 years old: girls grow up faster than boys and are usually taller than boys their age. It's only around 14-16 when boys shoot up in height.
This is because girls develop secondary sex characteristics before 12 (menstruation etc.) and their hormones are at an all time high.
+Sim Calinares Actually, all of the younger characters are MUCH younger in the book than the actors in the show. Sansa for example was 11, Rob and Jon were 14, etc. That would have been normal in medieval society, but there is no way they could have real actors playing those sorts of roles in the TV series.
I really hope Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna and the last dragon prince, it would make since as to why Ned never told Jon the truth, it was too dangerous to be the last of the Targaryen and Robert as the new king would have killed Jon on the spot if he found out
YES! I never put this together myself but absolutely! Ned was so noble he would totally do that for Lyanna!
Congrats on 2M subs... love you and all your content Charlie... keep going buddy!!
So.. Dany is Jon's aunt?
+ana brown Yup. Prince Rhaegar, Jaime Lannister, Robert Baratheon and Ned Stark were only late teens when the Targaryens were overthrown, and Dany was just a baby. They would've been in the their mid-30s by the time of Season One. The show cast everyone 5-10 years older.
Yup. And since the family has a history of marrying siblings or relatives, they will become a couple!
Tugela60 Eww, no please! Can't take any more incest. Cersie & Jaime are more than enough. 😝 And Jon's dead. So, even if he he's resurrected, won't he be a white walker?
+ana brown And not only that, if Jon plays out the Azor Ahai prophecy, he is probably going to kill her as a sacrifice to save the world.
+Tugela60 The family has a history of marrying siblings TO secure their recessive traits of white hair and blue eyes. No point in doing so with me. And who will force us to get married. Why would we even want to get married? Absolutely no reason.
"Bran Stark on the show right now actually does get a picture, like an actual look at Lyanna Stark, he sees a girl that looks like Arya"
WHAT ???? could someone please tell me when this happened, I have no recollection of a girl of any description in his vision.
***** Now two children danced across the godswood, hooting at one another as they dueled with broken branches. The girl was the older and taller of the two. Arya! Bran thought eagerly, as he watched her leap up onto a rock and cut at the boy. But that couldn't be right. If the girl was Arya, the boy was Bran himself, and he had never worn his hair so long. And Arya never beat me playing swords, the way that girl is beating him. She slashed the boy across his thigh, so hard that his leg went out from under him and he fell into the pool and began to splash and shout. "You be quiet, stupid," the girl said, tossing her own branch aside. "It's just water. Do you want Old Nan to hear and run tell Father?" She knelt and pulled her brother from the pool, but before she got him out again, the two of them were gone.
~ A Dance with Dragons - Bran III
Brainspace Showcase Cool man, thanks for the info. Charlie made it sound like it happened in the show, I knew it didn't.
Brainspace Showcase haha, that would be kinda cool
Brainspace Showcase That's weird, Lyanna was the youngest, but it clearly says in that verse that the girl was older and taller. I've only just noticed that, are we sure it's Lyanna?
Stannis The Mannis The little boy is Benjen Stark, her little brother (the first ranger of the watch in season 1)
Why didn't you mention Benjen Stark? Isn't he Eddards brother too?
Hi Charlie, love your uploads. I truly think that I've seen all the shows you've reviewed. Great job in doing so. Keep up the good work.
I really hope they do a "Tower of Joy" flashback through the eyes of Howland Reed… Wouldn’t that be something?!
That would be awesome!
Lyanna to Ned: promise me Ned, keep him safe.
Ned to lyanna: what should we name him?
Lyanna: Jon...
vikram jay Awesome!
"...and he chose fire as his champion. And this is where things really 'heat' up with Robert's Rebellion." XD
Benjen Stark is the youngest I think. 😉
He is
I haven't read the books, but most Targaryens seem to be blonde. So if Jon Snow was secretly a Targaryen, wouldn't he also be blonde?
DragonFae16 No because he's a Starkaryen...
And i think will be too obvious, be the only one with not blonde but silver hair.
People theorise that the Stark gene is more dominant than the Targaryean gene hence why Jon has dark hair and isn't more immune to fire. There were also Targaryean bastards such as the Blackfyres who didn't have silver hair.
Hiphopopotamus The Targaryeans are not immune to fire.
DragonFae16 Most Targaryens were born from incest, that's why they all had the same features. Jon could have inherit Lyanna's hair.
What if Bran starts to walk again? Or better: Fly.
Can you do a history episode on old Valyria please? The ruins just looked awesome and I can only imagine the terror that took place there was incredible! Thanks! Keep up the good work!
Great video, Charlie!! Thanks for uploading.
The whole ''two lovers running ways plot'' seems unrealistic and full of plot holes. I cringe at theories romanticizing Lyanna kidnaping. So she had her doubts about Robert because of his man whoring ways, but she desided to run away with another manwhore, married at that? I doubt she was so selfish to run away like that knowing what will happen to her family, because she for sure knew that they wont stay in Winterfell and do nothing. And if Rhaegar loved her then why did he locked her away from everything? Letting her give birth alone/ or letting her die alone after giving birth? Not to mention the mad king killing her brother and father. And as far as i know Rhaegar was unhappy with Elia because she was unable to give birth to a 3rd son, not because he didn't love her. Or at least at the surface Rhaegar treated Elia with love and utmost respect. But i'm not fully denying the theory that Rhaegar might have used Lyanna(or potentially her feeling for him) to fulfil the prophecy. I just don't see the whole romantic angle ever being justified.
Benjen was the youngest, not Lyanna
noo benjan was younger
YES!
Benjen is Catelyn's brother. Ned's brother was Brandon Stark.
People seem to forget about him.
I'm one of the people who believe in the "R+L=J" theory. It actually makes sense and makes a pretty good twist.
I wholeheartly believe in R+L=J
And another thing, about the prince(ss) that was promised / Azor Ahai : I think the most important line in the prophecy is : The dragon will have three heads. I think, Azor Ahai is not a single person, but three people. My guess : Daenerys, Jon, Tyrion
A (half) Stark, a Lannister & a Targaryen. Who would've thought at the beginning that those 3 familes would team up
Well...Escaping with Lyana was iresponsiblle from Rhaegar's side...He knew that move can be dangerous, and yet still he did it...When Baristan Selmy told that Rhaegar loved his Lyana and thousands died cuz it, it was not a poor joke, but a true...so equation is next: R+L=J+15000 deaths ...And yes, Aerys II was catalizator of this equation, but still....My point here was, I just dont like blind romantic persons!!! LOVE WILL WIN ALL and similar shits....My ass will win all!!!So, I am prefering Tywin ways of thinking-Wisdom is the most important quality of, not just kings, but all man. ANd, yes , I had motive to leave this comments because I got pissed of with some romantic fool in my life!
Shakira Daley Yes, I understand that...But, my point was, it was a risky course of actions..Even if that course is motivated with propecy, it was a big risk. Kings, and crowned princes, or any man that have big power and influence cant be counted as standard man. So, u said if Brandon didnt do agressive move, all would be scandal? Rhaegar as heir of the throne must avoid any scandal that have, even small possibility to lead to desastour, and runing away with fionce of high lord of Baratheon had nice chance to lead, well if not in total disaster than to Baratheons fury... I agree, they are not fully responsiblle for war..if Aerys was better king, he could ignore Brandon, or just imprisone him for some time until he found Rhaegar...But,Rhaegar knew he had mad father, he knew that the Targaryen house became huge unpopular during his father reign, and again he took the risk to escape with, not a common woman, but a highborn lady that is prommised to another highborn son...Westeros is something like medival age society, so, in the spirit of that time, it was stupid, inresponsiblle to run away with Lyana...even if he was motived with the propecy....Risking so much because passion or because some propecy that you cant know it is true( I know in this case, it is true, but ofc Rhaegar just gambe, because in his time there werent evidence of white walkers yet)...so my point was- It is iresponsibble behave from inteligent man...ok? :D
Shakira Daley And yes, Robert Baratheon would exist if Rhaella Targayen didnt marriege to Ormund Baratheon( Grandpa of Robert)..did u know why Rhaella maried him? Because one son of Aegon V , think Duncan Targaryen, didnt want to marry some Baratheon girl, and instead he escape with some other woman of lowbirth...consuence was crisis that could easily lead to rebelion of Baratheons... Crisis resolved when Duncal the tall won some Baratheon chalenger, and when Rhaelle married Ormund... See, Rhaegar like to read history, he could learn from this exaple of his great-aunt that, in serious bussiness or rulling we must not be motivated with passion... If Rhaegar was some peasent , he could marry some other peasent girl, and no one carres...like his great grandfather Aegon V, he was forth son of forth son( MAekar Targaryen) so he could marry according his passion..But Rhaegar was heir of the throne!! And, like I said before, this is medival age time...It was more brutal time than these ,,democratic" time...I hope u can understand my arguments now
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Shakira Daley Marriege of Rhaegar with Aelia MArtell was , offcourse, political one... And it was a good match, Martells were one of the stronges houses in 7kingdoms...So, maybe , you didnt understand me... From Rhaegar, like heir of the throne is expected to have some highborn wife, to strenghern the ties of great houses and to bring power and piece ro realm doing so. So, heirs of the throne in medival ages schould not , or even must not marry for love, but for policy...Royall marrieges was standard piece of policy of that time...And, yes, maybe Aerys liked that Rhaegar is not satisfie with Aelia, just because Aerys vanity or spite, but, in fact, union with Martells was a good political move! But escaping with Lyana wasnt good political move... If he had much passion with Lyana , he could try to be her lover, and to hide that.If he wanted a child for propecy, again he could do that in secret and quickly... But escaping for half of the year with Baratheons fionce, and let that your escaping be noticed and descovered was stupid...And yes I agree, far less stupid than Brandon Starks reactions, or far more less mad than all decisions of Aerys II, but still escaping was stupid and iresponssible move...If u cant agree with these arguments, it s ok...everyone have rights to think with his own head...And, yes,I must empasize, I am aware that Rhaegar is far more better man than Aerys, Brandon, and Robert combined, but just one stupid move from him started chain of events that lead to chatastrophe...And it is that in real life...you can have good intentions, you can think that you are doing good, but 1 terrible move can cost a lot...and if u are king or prince that cost will not affect, just your personal life,but the whole realm, cuz actions and words of powerfull man are far more louder than of the commoners...
Shakira Daley Eh, take out they escape and no war aswell, at least not in that time and in that way... I have ridden books, thats why I know things about Aegon V I wrought about it..well that book has name World of ice and fire-history. I never denied that Brandon and Aerys is guilty, but Rhaegar must share part of guilt aswell...Yes, maybe the smalest part, but that part of his guilt is less forgivable to me because unlike Aerys, Rhaegar wasnt mad, and unlike Brandon, Rhaegar wasnt huge temperamental man.Rhaegar was nbole and clever, so he must knew that escaping can backfire terrible, as it did. And about third child for propecy, yes Elia couldnt produce it, but, he can be a secret lover of Lyana, and make her child in secret...Or if that is not elegant way, he could find some other lover than Lyana.Or if it must be Lyana for propecy, he could make a child with her and go back to normal life,Pregnant Lyana couldnt marry with Robert, because in Medival time something like that would be enough to break engage with Robert and Lyana...So, after that breaking, Lyana would be free to be Rhaegars lover. You said it was not big deal their escaping.I cant agree with that. Ofcourse that escaping is not at will to Robert Baratheon and Starks. And they are major houses of kingdom.So provoke major houses in that way is not just inocent escaping, it s a huge risk, and stupid move after all....And that was my point...So that escape is far more than "not a big deal"...it is insult to house Baratheon and insult to house Stark, and only a bad king would insult his most powerfull vasals and subjects...
Isn't howland reed dead... I though he was killed by those bone warriors back in season 4
That's his son Jojen reed that was killed last season
That wasn't howland reed. That was his son
Anthony Lanza oh thanks for clearing that up for me
TH-cam Commenter thanks for that bro
np man olin blake
Howland Reed= High Sparrow ??
+rajesh bhattarai mate
Woah... That's the best theory to date.
get rekt
Thanks for going into back stories characters. it really feels the whole story.
So I won't be seeing Jon Snow and Daenerys have sex?
+Gigi Lumay lol well to be fair taergeryans family is full of inbreeding so u never know :P
Bob S Smh, I have to explain this everywhere I go: Targaryens married their children to each other TO KEEP THEIR RARE, RECESSIVE TRAITS. Me marrying Danaerys would totally defeat that purpose. So we WILL know
+Jon Snow No, they married family because since the Doom of Valriya, their magic was lost. Their blood contained the magic, so they married their family to get their blood as pure as possible so they can control their dragons, not for their looks 😂.
CMLZ YT No, I'm pretty sure they did not do it because their blood contained "the magic", it wasn't that specific. They did it to keep their blood pure, generally. Them repeating that they have "dragon's blood" is a type of propaganda. No, they do not have this so called "dragon's blood". No they did not use their blood to control their dragons. It was a type of propaganda in Westeros to make themselves look other worldly. In fact, back in Essos, it was a common thing to possess and ride dragons, not just by Targaryens. It's a figure of speech. Them imbreeding has much more to do with keeping their unique features [compared to those in Westeros]
Go figure: www.quora.com/What-specials-powers-traits-do-the-Targaryens-possess
And shove that laughing emoji up your ass.
+Jon Snow Damn why are you being so rude? Never said they have dragons blood, they have Valriyan Blood, Valriya was a magical city. That woulr explain Melissandre's obssession with "Kings Blood", she uses kings blood for her spells, she uses the Baratheons because Baratheons have Targaryen anestory.
I just wanted to say that I have watched alot of these videos explaining this situation sober and I was still confused. But I am pretty drunk right now and understood every word of what you said. So, thank you very much and I look forward to seeing more of your content!
It has never made sense for Jon to be Ned's. I think his sense of honor would not allow him to have an affair. Not that he loved Caitlin, just that it was his duty to be faithful. Something would really have to be important to get to lie about Jon. When I first watched the show I mistakenly thought that Jon was Benjen's. But then I read the book and believe it's more likely R + L = J. I don't put it past GRRM to have another idea.
I love you Charlie! I'm sure you could be different in real life. But you seem to be a very merry go lucky fellow. Listening to you brings me much joy.
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme" - Twain
sorry to say but for Indian history repeated in every 500 year or so .starting from Aryan invasion to British invasion ,every time they rebuild India to the point of richest nation and then they get attacked and then again they rebuild it and process goes on .India has experienced 7 such cycle in last 4000 year with every time they becoming richest nation in this world again and again .they are currently in 7 th cycle of rebuilding after British invasion
dude, you are awesome! I enjoy your videos. Keep us posted!
Yes I do believe in R+L =J and that Jon Snow is pivotal to season six at least.
Man i really like your videos and the info you bring is amazing and has been really helpfull !!
Very nice...your explanation sounds like a high quality audio book. Game of Thrones could do a whole different series - a prequel.
Uuuugh! i really wish they would do that part in the series!!!!!!! I haven't read the books but i am familiar with the Jon Snow theory. it would be amazing to cast lily collins too cuz she's my favorite actress. This would be so perfect.
Great vid as usual Charley!
the art you choose is amazing o.o
This video has definitely made me rethink Rheagar
Love your explanations-thank you
When the GOT series comes to an end, there NEEDS to be a prequel series! It would be so cool to see these characters come to life.
John Snow was always my fav.. didnt even know what it was all about. Clearly i have a good eye for good and strong people!
If they were to ever make a full length theatrical game of thrones movie i think the Rhaegar targaryen backstory would be amazing on screen. I could even see someone like Chris Hemsworth taking his role
DAMN YOU FREAKING NAILED IT
but Ned stark once mentioned John snow's mother as Wylla to Robert (in the season 1 )
Wylla could've been a witness to Lyanna's birth like a wet nurse or some girl he met and just stole her name who knows
Probably lying
Maybe willa was the servant who gave baby john to ned the day lilliana died
My theory is that the night's watch will try to burn Jon's body (along with his sword) to prevent his corpse from being a white walker. The lord of light (fire) and/or melissandre will bring jon back to life while this happens. Jon will rise (unburned) from the fire and bring out his flaming sword (lightbringer).
glad i found your channel :-)
It is good you touched on prophecy because many of the major players are driven by prophecy
R + L = J!! Huge fan of your channel :)
Slight correction, the knight of the laughing tree unhorsed the knights whom those squires were squiring for.
also wasn't it Barriston Selmy that did that?
If you noticed, Shireen mentioned the Winterfell crypts to Davos in the last episode. I think that's an important thing not to overlook.
I see my fellow mates have followed me here. I find this place a decent spot for talking about fantasy and lore.
Lyanna was Knight of the Laughing Tree (she did beat three knights, not squires, knights were told to punish their squires) and Rhaegar found her, not only shield. That was their first meeting, and we know she liked him before, cause of his song. That's why he crowned her later. It's just matches. He didn't kidnap her, I think she went with him. The problem was, she was promised and he was married.
The foreshadowing of Jon's parentage is subtle but effective in the books. In the show it was almost spelled out with the contrast of Lyanna's tomb vs Ned telling Jon "you have my blood". NOT "you are my son"!
I'm also convinced Jon is Azor Ahai, but that's for another episode.
IIRC in A Dance with Dragon there's a flashback that explains what Rhaegar tought to do after he defeated Robert, which basically was depose his mad father and rule as king ("change things"). This was actually something Rahegar had planned for quite some time, making friends of strong houese and making a name for himself, while his father was growing madder and madder and his reputation shrinking even more.
Yet Aerys was jealous of his son and Varys probably gave him information on what Rahegar planned. So Aerys went to the turney at Harrendal (despite having been sealed inside the red keep for years for fear of assassination attempts until then) and ordered his son to discover who the knight of the smiling tree was as a slight, and he rejoiced when he failed. Another important thing to remember is that at this point Aerys was paranoid to a dangerous level, something that exploded when he ordered Brandon Stark killed.
Signed books. :O GG... Great video Charlie!
I'm totally on board with R + L = J. In fact in episode 5 there were a couple of moments where it seemed the producers were teasing at it.
LMFAO "the tower of joy"... could it be more suggestive?