G day Scott I reckon for the turtle back , bending ply is the go. Specially made ply for this application. Lay some builders black 0:34 plastic over timber frame Cut 2 slightly oversized pieces of bending ply Place first sheet of ply onto frame with top face covered in light coat of epoxy glue Place second sheet on top Throw several ratchet straps over the whole shebang and under steel frame Carefully tighten straps to make plywood conform to framing Leave overnight Upon releasing straps you will have very strong section that you can epoxy glue to stringers and will not be under stress. Make slightly oversized and trim for best fit Fancy semicircle arcs to be cut after lamination is set Bending ply available from specialist timber suppliers Also seek out ENGINEERING PATTERNMAKERS SUPPLIERS or Engineering patternmakers for timber and advice Keep vids comin I like em
@@scottmatthews5280 G'day, Yay Team ! This bloke Reads as if he REALLY Knows his Onions... It sounds like Good Gen. Pay attention to them... Have a good one. Stay safe, ;-p Ciao !
G'day, I love what you're doing with the Control-Cables...; 3 Gold Stars and a Koala Stamp ! That sure is a LOVELY Laminated Airscrew for a 21st-Century Radial-engined Camel... On this teeny tiny "Point", I may Squeak with a Bee's Dick's width worth of "Authority"...; For my 1st 3-ft carved from a single Block Propeller was in 1974, at 13, in the Public High School Woodwork Shop - when in the 6 months between Boarding-Skools. The Woodwork Master spotted a giant version of an Aeromuddler's Balsa Propeller in Radiata Pine (attempted) Propeller being carved from a single Beam, and so he showed up at my place on a Saturday morning, to get my father's permission to lend me a Book with a Chapter explaining Helical Pitch Calculations for Airscrews, and Lamination techniques... (Dad was well known locally to be Anti -Aviation..., after his best friend's son {CFI at the Glen Innes Aero Club...} died in his DH Chipmunk at Moree, In about 1960, slightly before I was born !). So..., I began Propeller-carving in 1974, at 13. Because in the 1980s there were ambiguous Laws against Ultralights, I retreated into Electric Windmills, using Automotive Alternators....; and if you look in my "Windmilling Warbles" Playlist, There are Video copied Silent Super-8 movies from 1985/ '86 of my "Skypower Mk-5" 500 Watt Wind Turbine... And later, in 1992, I flew Behind two different Hand-carved, laminated Tasmanian Oak Propellers which I Designed & made for the 22 Hp JPX Pul-425 French "Aero Engine with which my Second Hairygoplane was fitted.... So, having both charged a Battery with my own Wind-Turbine Rotors, and also flown behind my own Propellers...; I recom I can claim Competence To assert that... That, there..., Is a Lucking fovely functional Sculpture..., Of a Laminated Wooden Airscrew... Of course, it's 14 inches too small, Diameter-wise, To be Hysterically "Accurate"... But..., That often Happens...; Whenever a "High-Speed Radial" Aero Engine Replaces a Period-Correct Rotary Engine, in a Replica... For the Fun of it... Today I ticked-off on a Talaria Sting (L-1e). A 60 Volt Road Registerable Electric Motorbike. It features a 6,000 Watt Motor (Regulated to 3,500 W., for 45 Km/Hr Max, to meet Roadworthiness Regulations.) The Motor is 92% Efficient, with a 2,500 W/Hr Battery. The Motor, Input multiplied by 0.92, then multiplied by a 8.35 : 1 Reduction Drive, for 36 Hp worth of Torque at the back Wheel... Unregulated, it delivers 60 Hp for 20 Minutes. Regulated, it delivers 45 Km/Hr at max. speed, Or 70 Km @ 40 Km/Hr... Since 1992 I've restrained myself from Rebuilding my Aeroplane. Because the World doesn't Need Me to be Farting Fossil-Carbon Fumes, To go making Lawnmower Noises in the Sky While excercising my Biggles Fantasies... So At $3,600 for a spare Talaria Sting Motor, Battery, Speed-Controller & Chain-Drive... The real Pissabolity Exists...; Of Warbles-eKnevil Growing Electrick Wyngs...? Time will tell, Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@@scottmatthews5280 I've flown behind 2 Propellers which I designed, cut, laminated, carved & balanced, in my 30s. I carved my first Propeller at age 13, from a solid 3 ft lump of Radiata Pine. Your new Airscrew looks YUMMY... I'm shouting myself an $8,000 Electric Motorbike which will need a 3 Kw/Hr per Day Stand alone Solar Setup to recharge ($15 G) - but the ShitKicker Solar Setup will also charge a Chainsaw, Brushcutter & Leaf-Blower... And a spare Motorbike Motor, Battery, and Speed-Controller is only $3,600. 6,000 Watts at 92% Motor Efficiency x 8.35 : 1 Reduction Drive = 60 Hp of Torque for 20 minutes on a 2,500 Kw/Hr Battery. My 22 Hp Ultralight Motorglider, which broke my ankle in 1992, may now be re-engined for less than $4,000 with an Electric Drive, with Regenerative Braking. So Take-off, climb to 1,500 Ft, Thermal up to 10,000 ft Propeller stopped, Then dive in # 4 Regen. Mode, To land with a Full Battery - Ready for next time... So... Warbles is Furiously Bedazzled by New Possibilities. And, As a Sopwith Camel Homebuilder, Thou are roughly About as Eccentric as Be Me...(!). So, I Thunkificated that you might Perhaps Possibly Pissabubbly Be Remotely interested in the Perspective that Electric Motorbike technology Currently (pardon the pun) Shits on ICE powerplants..., For Twiddly little Hairygoplanes... But, Read My Channel Name... Warbles On A Lot.... It's what the Hippies on the Commune 50 Km East of here Nicknamed me In 1985... In 2012 my daughter was told that my local Aboriginal Name is, 'Ave A Chat...! I have a horror of being misunderconstumbled..., so therefore thus & because - I talk too much, trying to precisely communicate. How often do you encounter someone who was into Norman Macmillan's account of why Sopwith Camels are SPECIAL, in1969, at age 8 ? I am who I am. Longwinded but Well-meaning...; With an average Bullshit Content Of 5%... Unless I become brusque, then it runs long...; and I want to stay friendly. My first Aeroplane hangs in the National Transportation Museum, I'm flirting with the possibility of electrifying my Ultralight Motorglider, 31 years after it's Petrol Engine failed to climb over the fence & it broke my Ankle. I thought you might get a giggle at the idea. Life can be entertaining, y'know...(?) ! Such is life, Have a good one. Stay safe... ;-p Ciao !
Me again I don’t want to give you a bum steer. By laminating the two sheets together which when dried will or perfect fit ,this assembly can be removed and replaced easily until final fitment and glued to longitudinal stringers. If you go this way use a couple of small panel pins (nails) one at each end of the section fore and aft into the very top stringer , only need to be driven 5mm into top stringer These 1mm diamanté nails are merely locating dowels so curved panel can be removed and replaced to exactly same position. You could simply cut one sheet of bending ply with fancy arcs and glue to stringers if that is the way you want to go. Also while I am at it , you were on the right track putting a fillet of adhesive where longitudinal stringers pass thru bulkheads but liquid nails is bodgey Epoxy glue mixed with micro balloons or equivalent will give premium results large diameter fillet Look up west systems epoxy , perhaps contact sailing dinghy boatbuilder they will give you the good oil. I share your frustration in regards to quality control of your kit I wish you well , for a successful rewarding build
@@scottmatthews5280 My mom was completely against guns of any kind...so...when I was eight, for Christmas, There was a long thin wrapped box under the tree and my name was on it. I tore off the paper... Red Rider BB gun box... full of school clothes..mom!
That young lady builds some beautiful props. Love watching her videos.
Glad to see your plane is coming long nicely.
Thank you kindly
Scott, I just love these WW1 airplanes, rags, and wires, and off you go. I look forward to the maiden flight. Tallyho !!
Thank you it’s a while off yet.
I'll keep watching good luck . Is it coming into spring down there now ? good weather should help you along
@@scottmatthews5280
Greetings from Cali, US. The prop is beautiful and will look awesome on the Camel
I think so too!
It seems like you make a lot of progress every week, it's really looking like a camel now! Beautiful prop too.
Thank you very much!
Beautiful propeller! I’m glad it survived the journey with so little padding.
Me too!
G day Scott
I reckon for the turtle back , bending ply is the go.
Specially made ply for this application.
Lay some builders black 0:34 plastic over timber frame
Cut 2 slightly oversized pieces of bending ply
Place first sheet of ply onto frame with top face covered in light coat of epoxy glue
Place second sheet on top
Throw several ratchet straps over the whole shebang and under steel frame
Carefully tighten straps to make plywood conform to framing
Leave overnight
Upon releasing straps you will have very strong section that you can epoxy glue to stringers and will not be under stress.
Make slightly oversized and trim for best fit
Fancy semicircle arcs to be cut after lamination is set
Bending ply available from specialist timber suppliers
Also seek out ENGINEERING PATTERNMAKERS SUPPLIERS or Engineering patternmakers for timber and advice
Keep vids comin I like em
Thanks I’ll check out the bendy ply.
@@scottmatthews5280
G'day,
Yay Team !
This bloke
Reads as if he
REALLY
Knows his
Onions...
It sounds like
Good
Gen.
Pay attention to them...
Have a good one.
Stay safe,
;-p
Ciao !
Audio was good on my tablet.
I saw a video of them making a prop at Culver a while ago. Fascinating.
Thanks, yes great prop.
Have you heard of bendy ply? Fantastic solution for forming around frames.
Yes I have some on the shelf.
G'day,
I love what you're doing with the Control-Cables...; 3 Gold Stars and a Koala Stamp !
That sure is a
LOVELY
Laminated Airscrew for a
21st-Century
Radial-engined
Camel...
On this teeny tiny
"Point",
I may
Squeak with a
Bee's Dick's width worth of
"Authority"...;
For my 1st 3-ft carved from a single Block
Propeller was in 1974, at 13, in the Public High School Woodwork Shop - when in the 6 months between Boarding-Skools.
The Woodwork Master spotted a giant version of an Aeromuddler's Balsa Propeller in Radiata Pine (attempted) Propeller being carved from a single Beam, and so he showed up at my place on a Saturday morning, to get my father's permission to lend me a Book with a Chapter explaining Helical Pitch Calculations for Airscrews, and Lamination techniques...
(Dad was well known locally to be Anti -Aviation..., after his best friend's son {CFI at the Glen Innes Aero Club...} died in his DH Chipmunk at Moree,
In about 1960, slightly before I was born !).
So..., I began Propeller-carving in 1974, at 13.
Because in the 1980s there were ambiguous Laws against Ultralights, I retreated into Electric Windmills, using Automotive Alternators....; and if you look in my
"Windmilling Warbles"
Playlist,
There are Video copied
Silent Super-8 movies from
1985/ '86 of my
"Skypower Mk-5" 500 Watt Wind Turbine...
And later, in 1992,
I flew
Behind two different
Hand-carved, laminated
Tasmanian Oak
Propellers which I
Designed & made for the
22 Hp JPX Pul-425
French "Aero Engine with which my
Second Hairygoplane was fitted....
So, having both charged a Battery with my own Wind-Turbine Rotors, and also flown behind my own Propellers...; I recom I can claim
Competence
To assert that...
That, there...,
Is a
Lucking fovely functional
Sculpture...,
Of a
Laminated
Wooden
Airscrew...
Of course, it's 14 inches too small,
Diameter-wise,
To be
Hysterically
"Accurate"...
But...,
That often
Happens...;
Whenever a
"High-Speed Radial" Aero Engine
Replaces a
Period-Correct
Rotary Engine, in a
Replica...
For the
Fun of it...
Today I ticked-off on a
Talaria Sting (L-1e).
A 60 Volt Road Registerable
Electric Motorbike.
It features a 6,000 Watt Motor (Regulated to 3,500 W., for 45 Km/Hr Max, to meet Roadworthiness Regulations.)
The Motor is 92% Efficient, with a 2,500 W/Hr Battery.
The Motor, Input multiplied by 0.92, then multiplied by a 8.35 : 1 Reduction Drive, for
36 Hp worth of Torque at the back Wheel...
Unregulated, it delivers 60 Hp for 20 Minutes.
Regulated, it delivers
45 Km/Hr at max. speed,
Or
70 Km @ 40 Km/Hr...
Since 1992
I've restrained myself from
Rebuilding my
Aeroplane.
Because the World doesn't
Need
Me to be
Farting Fossil-Carbon Fumes,
To go making
Lawnmower Noises in the Sky
While excercising my
Biggles Fantasies...
So
At
$3,600 for a spare
Talaria Sting Motor, Battery, Speed-Controller & Chain-Drive...
The real
Pissabolity
Exists...;
Of Warbles-eKnevil
Growing
Electrick
Wyngs...?
Time will tell,
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
Thanks, I need the executive summary!
@@scottmatthews5280
I've flown behind 2 Propellers which I designed, cut, laminated, carved & balanced, in my 30s.
I carved my first Propeller at age 13, from a solid 3 ft lump of Radiata Pine.
Your new
Airscrew looks
YUMMY...
I'm shouting myself an $8,000 Electric Motorbike which will need a 3 Kw/Hr per Day Stand alone Solar Setup to recharge ($15 G) - but the ShitKicker Solar Setup will also charge a Chainsaw, Brushcutter & Leaf-Blower...
And a spare Motorbike Motor, Battery, and Speed-Controller is only $3,600.
6,000 Watts at 92% Motor Efficiency x 8.35 : 1 Reduction Drive = 60 Hp of Torque for 20 minutes on a 2,500 Kw/Hr Battery.
My 22 Hp Ultralight Motorglider, which broke my ankle in 1992, may now be re-engined for less than $4,000 with an Electric Drive, with Regenerative Braking.
So
Take-off, climb to 1,500 Ft,
Thermal up to 10,000 ft
Propeller stopped,
Then dive in # 4 Regen. Mode,
To land with a
Full
Battery -
Ready for next time...
So...
Warbles is
Furiously
Bedazzled by
New
Possibilities.
And,
As a
Sopwith Camel Homebuilder,
Thou are roughly
About as
Eccentric as
Be
Me...(!).
So, I
Thunkificated that you might
Perhaps
Possibly
Pissabubbly
Be
Remotely interested in the
Perspective that
Electric Motorbike technology
Currently (pardon the pun)
Shits on
ICE powerplants...,
For
Twiddly little Hairygoplanes...
But,
Read
My
Channel Name...
Warbles
On
A
Lot....
It's what the
Hippies on the Commune 50 Km East of here
Nicknamed me
In 1985...
In 2012 my daughter was told that my local Aboriginal Name is,
'Ave A Chat...!
I have a horror of being misunderconstumbled..., so therefore thus & because - I talk too much, trying to precisely communicate.
How often do you encounter someone who was into Norman Macmillan's account of why Sopwith Camels are
SPECIAL, in1969, at age 8 ?
I am who I am.
Longwinded but
Well-meaning...;
With an average Bullshit Content
Of
5%...
Unless I become brusque, then it runs long...; and I want to stay friendly.
My first Aeroplane hangs in the National Transportation Museum, I'm flirting with the possibility of electrifying my Ultralight Motorglider, 31 years after it's Petrol Engine failed to climb over the fence & it broke my Ankle.
I thought you might get a giggle at the idea.
Life can be entertaining, y'know...(?) !
Such is life,
Have a good one.
Stay safe...
;-p
Ciao !
Gorgeous prop!
Windex to bend plywood? I'm new to this stuff so I never heard of that before.
Yes ammonia in windex acts to bend the wood.
Me again
I don’t want to give you a bum steer.
By laminating the two sheets together which when dried will or perfect fit ,this assembly can be removed and replaced easily until final fitment and glued to longitudinal stringers.
If you go this way use a couple of small panel pins (nails) one at each end of the section fore and aft into the very top stringer , only need to be driven 5mm into top stringer
These 1mm diamanté nails are merely locating dowels so curved panel can be removed and replaced to exactly same position.
You could simply cut one sheet of bending ply with fancy arcs and glue to stringers if that is the way you want to go.
Also while I am at it , you were on the right track putting a fillet of adhesive where longitudinal stringers pass thru bulkheads but liquid nails is bodgey
Epoxy glue mixed with micro balloons or equivalent will give premium results large diameter fillet
Look up west systems epoxy , perhaps contact sailing dinghy boatbuilder they will give you the good oil.
I share your frustration in regards to quality control of your kit
I wish you well , for a successful rewarding build
Yep, I used west system and thixotropic or micro ballon’s on the longerons been using it for years thanks
Are you from Australia
Yes born and bred
I’m Binni Einarsson from Iceland living in Maine usa
a kid unwrapping a bb gun box...
Exactly.
@@scottmatthews5280 My mom was completely against guns of any kind...so...when I was eight, for Christmas,
There was a long thin wrapped box under the tree and my name was on it. I tore off the paper... Red Rider BB gun box... full of school clothes..mom!